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(DIR) Post #ARNfWGzEYpaPW2arey by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-06T22:53:05Z
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While during the 17th and 18th century the notion of the (eternal) soul lost its primacy making room for the (embodied) mind, we now see a similar transformation taking place, devaluing the idea of matter in favor of information.
(DIR) Post #ARNfvUAGhc7VcsmFMG by tanepiper@tane.codes
2023-01-06T22:57:37Z
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@FroehlichMarcel Material Science killed god.Data science kills empirical research?
(DIR) Post #ARNgh0PMdienEoUttY by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-06T23:06:14Z
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@tanepiper My second point is really about physics, too.Quantum information theories are about to challenge the standard model. See eg https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.03824.pdf
(DIR) Post #ARNhQkAXLftkC5N6WG by tanepiper@tane.codes
2023-01-06T23:14:28Z
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@FroehlichMarcel oh absolutely the standard model has been on a lifeline for a while now, longer than should have been allowed. The Muon and sterile neutrino experiments were already pushing the boundaries of strong forces. Scientists who cling to the #standardModel of #physics are like navigators clinging to maps with "here he dragons"
(DIR) Post #ARNim86Nf4UsSLBmoi by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-06T23:29:34Z
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@tanepiper I believe I t is not so much about poking holes into the existing framework than about whether and how it is possible to come up with an equally powerful explanation that requires less idiosyncratic stuff and assumptions. Ideally providing explanations for new contradictory findings, too.Looks like quantum information will eventually provide an overarching key - Certainly coming with its own riddles, as described by Wheeler already in the 1980s.
(DIR) Post #ARNjIhfcxDLU2KCwYy by tanepiper@tane.codes
2023-01-06T23:35:26Z
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@FroehlichMarcel oh indeed. I don't think overnight suddenly quarks and photons are going to disappear - we'll just better understanding of their fundamental nature.But we still won't have all the answers in this generation đ¸
(DIR) Post #ARNkTrIlaMGr2yOjgW by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-06T23:48:40Z
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@tanepiper I donât think there is an âall the answersâ moment ever. đ¸Transitions of core beliefs and concepts are just fascinating to follow. The worlds we construct are much less stable than it appears.
(DIR) Post #ARNqanklmAOVnIBq7M by FrohlichMarcel@mathstodon.xyz
2023-01-07T00:57:07Z
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@tanepiper @FroehlichMarcel Just notice that the last sentence lacks some context:I didnât think of physics when I wrote that, but more general how as cultures we construct our world and relating artifacts. There is a constant drift and more often than we tend to notice real shifts, invalidating previous knowledge and related objects. Example: how we create and consume popular music.
(DIR) Post #ARNqgXtFfShyKgtdlQ by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-07T00:58:11Z
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@tanepiper Just notice d that the last sentence lacks some context:I didnât think of physics when I wrote that, but more general how as cultures we construct our world and relating artifacts. There is a constant drift and more often than we tend to notice real shifts, invalidating previous knowledge and related objects. Example: how we create and consume popular music.
(DIR) Post #ARNqhvdGsd1cG255nM by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-07T00:58:27Z
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@tanepiper Just noticed that the last sentence lacks some context:I didnât think of physics when I wrote that, but more general how as cultures we construct our world and relating artifacts. There is a constant drift and more often than we tend to notice real shifts, invalidating previous knowledge and related objects. Example: how we create and consume popular music.
(DIR) Post #ARO2zICVQL04cnblGy by O_Chamboredon@mastodon.top
2023-01-07T03:16:01Z
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@FroehlichMarcel There is probably confusion, today, because "signs/signals" seem to migrate freely from one support to another. But it's not "information", i.e. alteration of physical "conscious" receptors "knowing" what is "the same" through oriented action. If a theory of mind is required in addition to just information theory (signal) Cf. G. Bateson, to be consistent with your aporie... Would it mean... a theory of life ?
(DIR) Post #AROVr3agkynzfPLQGm by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-07T08:39:30Z
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@O_Chamboredon Yes, it is paradox, as information needs context: Whose information (agent) about what (carrier/support).Wheelerâs answer in 1989 has a Buddhist touch of mutual arising:âPhysics gives rise to observer-participancy; observer-participancy gives rise to information; and information gives rise to physics.âNo boundary between a theory of physics and a theory of mind.https://philarchive.org/archive/WHEIPQ
(DIR) Post #AROlp7zb1E1m0R64KO by tanepiper@tane.codes
2023-01-07T11:38:25Z
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@FroehlichMarcel yes was chatting about this, this morning. The pattern tends to follow - some people discover and idea. One writes it down and fades into obscurity, another slightly misunderstands it but builds a career off it - it's in their interest to stop paradigm shift for 30-40 years. Then people realise something doesn't seem right, go digging and find someone already had a better answer. And society moves on just every so slightly.100 years later the paradigm shift happens.
(DIR) Post #AROtL5IxFLqocFKwng by O_Chamboredon@mastodon.top
2023-01-07T13:02:36Z
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@FroehlichMarcel Thanks for the link ! I will go through it I think.
(DIR) Post #ARPM07BHyMN11b6X7A by FrohlichMarcel@mathstodon.xyz
2023-01-07T18:23:44Z
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@FroehlichMarcel A notable co-occurrence to the switch from soul to mind is the birth of reductive science based on the principle of mechanism.Galileo's set of basic machines from his Le Meccaniche (1600) as depicted in Ephraim Chamberâs Cyclopedia (1728):