Post ARHHIB1uLdXx8dpXpA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
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(DIR) Post #ARG2vF2veiaEQ0W9Eu by Gargron@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T06:37:13Z
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I don't feel as strongly about quote posts as I did in 2018. Personally, I am not a fan, but there is clearly a lot of demand for it. We're considering it.
(DIR) Post #ARG2vFWhs0P1uMRvea by lamp@mastodong.lol
2023-01-03T06:37:36Z
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@Gargron L
(DIR) Post #ARG31gkJa7Mo46svlA by ocean@raru.re
2023-01-03T06:38:45Z
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@Gargron Hell yeah gaming moment
(DIR) Post #ARG3FhQrpJ9gFRTAau by dada@diaspodon.fr
2023-01-03T06:41:11Z
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@Gargron Oh no :/
(DIR) Post #ARG3slEtbegnLgUoC0 by galena@paws.moe
2023-01-03T06:48:22.295062Z
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@eris @Gargron they're cringe and bad but glizzy's already brought them here so the damage is done and the gentlemen's agreement is broken
(DIR) Post #ARG5jkAoOqLjLSPi52 by apps@toot.fedilab.app
2023-01-03T07:06:00Z
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@GargronPlease, use the same values that already exist with other softwares."quote_id" when posting and "quote" like for "reblog" in status object.
(DIR) Post #ARG7dTV3g6Tznv1RUe by pthenq1@mastodon.la
2023-01-03T07:30:25Z
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@Gargron We are good if there're not quotes...
(DIR) Post #ARG7fPLe5MFtVTXcTw by Gargron@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T06:42:03Z
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If we did do it we'd like to make it something you can opt out of, in a similar way to how we plan to allow disabling replies. It's not entirely trivial.
(DIR) Post #ARG8Nq5y09gdCeOV28 by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-01-03T07:38:47.580059Z
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What happens on other instances and software that doesn't support the extended deletion feature? Asking since replies, quote posts (in other fedi software) etc. are already a thing.
(DIR) Post #ARG9WtmpkKLlDDKQuu by ArtBrew@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T07:07:29Z
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@Gargron the problem I see is that if someone posts something spiteful or disgusting it gets amplified. Even though lots of people will QT with stuff like 'I can't believe they posted this' it still gets seen by more people than it deserves and the hate poster is happy that they're getting attention.
(DIR) Post #ARG9WufmS2Inxd2JYu by lamp@miku-enthusiast.club
2023-01-03T07:51:37.683Z
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@ArtBrew@mastodon.social @Gargron@mastodon.social people screenshot posts anyways, but at least with quotes you'll be notified about it, and the quote will be linked to the original. So I think if it's gonna happen anyway, better have the quote...
(DIR) Post #ARGATxuw22j76nHbxQ by zundan@mastodon.zunda.ninja
2023-01-03T08:02:13Z
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@Gargron Shouldn't notification by quote be opt-in rather than opt-out? I've once seen a screenshot by a victim who was bullied through a QT on Twitter by someone who the victim doesn't know. The first notification seemed to be enough to make a big damage to the victim.
(DIR) Post #ARGBbYqtCwO7dnZoDw by sirsean@aus.social
2023-01-03T06:43:04Z
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@Gargron i think that's the best course of action.
(DIR) Post #ARGBbZR32VJNRwUgaG by davidaugust@mastodon.online
2023-01-03T06:44:44Z
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@sirsean @Gargron that or require an opting in.
(DIR) Post #ARGBba1upQnnIHk836 by sirsean@aus.social
2023-01-03T06:46:33Z
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@davidaugust @Gargron maybe an account wide option? like disable for all posts.idk i think i prefer a case by case basis
(DIR) Post #ARGBbaSrDGLwdqLe2i by davidaugust@mastodon.online
2023-01-03T06:49:31Z
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@sirsean @Gargron while technically vastly different, both account-wide and granular control are possible. One could even theoretically build the feature to only apply for certain hastags.The bigger issue is do users have to opt-out of it, or opt-in to it. Most people use default, so an opt-in would mean most would be like they are now. An opt-out would mean most would not be like things are now.Adding it as an option one can _opt-in_ to seems a solid option to me.
(DIR) Post #ARGBbb6Ype70cyvLvc by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-01-03T08:14:51.633772Z
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> Most people use default, so an opt-in would mean most would be like they are now.Right now, non-Mastodon users can quote post just fine, even quote posting Mastodon user posts. So opt-in wouldn't be the current sitaution as they are now on the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #ARGFeZhmtLMyyM0nDs by niels@vrij.social
2023-01-03T09:00:17Z
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@Gargron When I follow a new person on Birdsite, the very first thing I do is disable rebirds by that person.
I hate people boosting something without adding their view or opinion on the matter. If I follow you, I want YOUR opinion, not that of a stranger.
Contrary to most, I think quoted boosts should be the only kind of boosts allowed. I would definitely appreciate the option to see only quoted boosts and hide all others.
(DIR) Post #ARGK0PC13ad2YXoePI by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2023-01-03T09:49:03Z
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@Gargron what are pros and cons? Why not let people choose? Could make opt out both for dont quote me and dont show me quotes two separate options, but let those who want it in either way, to have it.
(DIR) Post #ARGKA7A2xAkdWlWZuq by seanm4c@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T06:47:40Z
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@Gargron yes, I really think enabling that feature while allowing users to opt in or out is the win. ✌️
(DIR) Post #ARGLnNCFMqmyVapywy by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-01-03T06:40:24Z
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@Gargron If you do add it, you should make it so people can opt to have their posts “quote posted.” If the setting is on, people can do it. If not, then they can only boost.You can even have it apply per post settings as well. Just a few suggestions.
(DIR) Post #ARGLnNbPrGvDlec5BI by darkstar@mastodon.nl
2023-01-03T09:56:27Z
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@darnell @Gargron Remember that the Fediverse is not just mastodon. So these safeguards have to be implemented in the other elements of the Fediverse too.
(DIR) Post #ARGLnOIfGTW5vmqcam by darnell@one.darnell.one
2023-01-03T10:03:34Z
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@darkstar I doubt @Gargron can control how other platforms like #Pleroma & #MissKey handle quote posting (the latter two already have this built in). #Mastodon has tremendous influence in the #Fediverse, but at the same time other platforms can ignore Mastond’s suggestions.
(DIR) Post #ARGMCPQmCIaAg5ZV4K by gmcgath@liberdon.com
2023-01-03T10:13:36Z
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@Gargron If it must happen, I hope "Turn off boosts" won't make an exception for quote boosts, the way it does on Twitter.
(DIR) Post #ARGPRvBshINrNwh1SC by kangaroo5383@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T06:45:16Z
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@Gargron i think people are just used to having what they are used to, maybe invent something new that achieve similar goals without the drawbacks?I’d rather not have it Reasoning here: https://mastodon.social/@kangaroo5383/109582631300793543
(DIR) Post #ARGPRvh4pJKywhHw4u by tiago@social.skewed.de
2023-01-03T10:50:00Z
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@kangaroo5383 @Gargron You just did a QT! 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #ARGUHwVtQLmQMY79c0 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-03T11:44:10Z
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@Gargron But please.. please.. not like Twitter does.It seems so bad that if other people take the content of the original poster and gets more reach with that without some 'credit' or something.. On Twitter it was always the 'famous' people who ripped the tweets of others and got popular with it.. That seems so wrong
(DIR) Post #ARGUgi2aN108iSDRBI by prawntech3d@mastodon.online
2023-01-03T11:48:40Z
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@stux @Gargron I know, I'm not really a definitive voice yet but I think I prefer no QT. Sometimes I wish I could, but then I think "Well, I can always copy the salient parts and re-toot them" and then it hits me: I am going to COPY someone else's stuff. . .
(DIR) Post #ARGUvbVCxhKKmVhpRI by jsamwrites@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T11:51:23Z
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@stux @Gargron Now I fear that Mastodon is becoming like the birdsite. Not able to see the so-called "metrics" (number of views/boosts/replies/favorites) on the home timeline and no quote posts are what made Mastodon experience special (at least for me). Unfortunately, copying features including "quote posts"from there will make it like the birdsite. I guess that I will opt-out as soon as this feature is released.
(DIR) Post #ARGV5MzFmhqCetPrlY by fatherroderick@mastodon.online
2023-01-03T11:53:04Z
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@stux @Gargron some kind of opt-out/opt-in setting per post would be useful. And the ability to change that setting after posting when others abuse a QT to attack or harass?
(DIR) Post #ARGVo2aYTJyCQRAFqC by tallship@obo.sh
2023-01-03T11:58:33Z
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@Gargron It's one of the main three reasons mastodon was left so far behind by the other Fediverse server platforms. The other two are that ridiculous, default, hardcoded paltry 500 character count limit - you've done a lot of workarounds (setting pseudo max character counts for all links, etc.) to avoid changing that to a simple configuration by admins on running instances - and that, more than anything else I think, has been the impetus that has spawned so many exceedingly popular forks. The third item is that you simply don't have any support for other text formats - like #Markdown, when almost all other major Fediverse platforms do, some of them for even longer than tootsuite/mastodon has been in existence.You don't have any support for local-only posts either - a very popular and requested feature that you've virtually ignored.The ability to edit posts without breaking threads that came in with this most recent release (4.0.0) was a few years behind most other Fediverse server platforms. Rhetorical question: Why did you wait so long to implement that?But the most glaring, um... I'll call it an egregious offense, is that much like Canonical did when they scraped almost all mentions of "Linux" from the Ubuntu websites, you too have done so with respect to #Fediverse on your official brand marketing websites - this has resulted in enormous damage to the community, serving to fracture it to some measurable degree, to the benefit of your "brand", but at the expense of the community at large by confusing the consumer.That last item, I don't know if you even realize the level of confusion this has resulted in with respect to all of the new Fediverse adoptees that actually think mastodon is a network - it is not. It's, "The Fediverse", Eugen, that's what the term is for our #ActivityPub powered network, and that interview you did with #Time_Magazine last month did not mention Fediverse even once. Not even one time.As a well known, de facto spokesman for the Fediverse community, you have, if not a fiduciary obligation, at least a moral duty to fairly represent and promote the Fediverse community at large.So now that funding isn't an issue for you so long as you listen to where the money is coming from, you're being told to do all of these things, and to be certain, you will. You've even announced a public roadmap to coincide with this realization that you now must cater to the community and it's desires, instead of dictating the constraints under which the community must, and will function... at least those who erroneously only perceive mastodon as the only extant option.That's a mixed blessing. Development will now include work towards the things that the people actually want, but you'll continue to brand your product as if it is the network instead of getting the language and message right that it's simply one Fediverse server platform amongst all of the other (often more appropriate and) capable server platforms.So yes, quote posts are popular, and with utility. Practically every other platform has it too. You will implement it, so just go and do it now, because it really isn't even your choice after all.Well that's my 2¢ 🙂I hope that helps!#tallship #Mastodon #FOSS ⛵.
(DIR) Post #ARGVuNJSKgo2RDBeFc by DToher@mastodon.ie
2023-01-03T12:02:20Z
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@stux @Gargron I think a priority would be to sort out editing of posts to allow for the addition of alt text, without having to delete and re-upload the image(s). Probably a lesser challenge. The Quote Post one is likely to be a bit of a minefield (that I do not envy you having to enter).
(DIR) Post #ARGW2WKegOpMjAdEjQ by luisgoncalves@masto.pt
2023-01-03T12:03:49Z
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@stux @Gargron It should be more like a "boost with context". You would still comment on the original thread, boost your comment and it would attach the OP as context.
(DIR) Post #ARGWX864q2vOXaPOW8 by __andrew@mstdn.social
2023-01-03T12:09:19Z
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@stux @Gargron I think that's an argument for supporting a QT. Otherwise people just screenshot the post without attribution or a convenient way back to the original post.
(DIR) Post #ARGXZdqnqlR9YY1g36 by nonproductive@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T12:21:00Z
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@stux @Gargron ability to opt out is good, but I think many people will default to that.Forcing the "quoter" to include the "Quoted" account (and not edit it out later) would allow the original poster to know what's going on and also contribute to the conversation in the new thread.Not allowing people that someone has blocked or muted to quote them would also help prevent abuse.If there's a case where a quoted post is being used for abuse, it can then be reported with the current tools.
(DIR) Post #ARGYrtwWrEfYdGyVoe by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-01-03T09:55:10Z
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@Gargron Demand doesn't necessarily mean something is a good idea though?There's a lot of demand for centralisation, but that would be a really bad idea.
(DIR) Post #ARGYrzuyduzdACIMEK by deurman@fosstodon.org
2023-01-03T11:46:50Z
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@feditips@Gargron I mean, if you don't want to use it, then don't use it, right?
(DIR) Post #ARGYs0T0bODOrkDXH6 by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-01-03T11:50:06Z
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@deurman @Gargron We aren't just individuals, we are all part of a community.If the community turns toxic, we all suffer.Features which encourage toxicity harm all of us, because they affect how people around us behave. Toxicity promotes aggression, suspicion and stress, it makes the world a nastier place to live in.
(DIR) Post #ARGZ3nrlHFMXGCQ7qS by pre@boing.world
2023-01-03T12:37:40Z
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@stux @Gargron Yes. Someone was say saying that one project's quote-boost attaches the boost-post as a reply to the original as well as a new thread for the poster's followers.That sounded good, adding the quote-boosts as replies too.
(DIR) Post #ARGb52XiOY9cydlG9Q by foufoutos@kafeneio.social
2023-01-03T13:00:20Z
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@Gargron please don't, nobody needs another bird
(DIR) Post #ARGb6BL5AzEiY1Ofom by smitmarco2003@mastodon.nl
2023-01-03T13:00:29Z
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@stux @Gargron Twitter has been so successful because it has a lot of popular features. for Mastodon to grow, it needs to adapt some of these features. This network needs to improve drastically to be suitable for the masses - which I suppose is the goal.
(DIR) Post #ARGcfphlBmYbpUZGfg by davey_cakes@mastodon.ie
2023-01-03T13:10:35Z
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@Gargron to put on the product design hat: Don't give users the feature they want from another product.Gather their requirements, assess the feasibility, and see what you can do without compromising your own product to the extent that you will lose users.Serve user needs and don't turn the product into a horse designed by a committee.
(DIR) Post #ARGddwGJwC7tXfOTq4 by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-01-03T13:29:05Z
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@Gargron I am pleasantly surprised. This is good.I'm a big fan of quote posts but I hope you add a toggle in the FE settings to disable it, considering how many people are equally opposed to this.
(DIR) Post #ARGfpOEwSOy5PJKxcm by giraffeslava@mstdn.party
2023-01-03T13:53:31Z
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@tiago @kangaroo5383 @Gargron right? I’m so confused by this. It’s already possible to retoot. This would just make it easier/faster?
(DIR) Post #ARGg48focDXzTKwKPI by tiago@social.skewed.de
2023-01-03T13:56:13Z
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@giraffeslava @kangaroo5383 @Gargron All it's missing is the ability to:1. See the content of the toot before clicking on it.2. When clicking on it, being shown the toot inside one own's instance, instead of outside of it.It's a minor UI fix.
(DIR) Post #ARGim6183Ionsrzsoa by Illdisposed@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T14:26:29Z
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@stux @Gargron I’m a QT addict on Twitter please god not here
(DIR) Post #ARGj9WCKsYXHk6PKs4 by ifixcoinops@mstdn.social
2023-01-03T14:19:46Z
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@Gargron Prefer an opt-in tbh
(DIR) Post #ARGj9WZjTZFcufM1L6 by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-01-03T14:30:42Z
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@ifixcoinops @Gargron Absolutely. Don't do it by default, whatever you do :ablobcatattention:
(DIR) Post #ARGlvn1fodTDk4Z8e8 by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2023-01-03T15:01:42Z
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@Gargron Give me OPT IN or give me BLOCK!!! :ablobcatgrumpy:
(DIR) Post #ARGrZ1U0UxNFe0LUrQ by alberto@mastodon.la
2023-01-03T08:31:21Z
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@Gargron We know that they lead to toxic behavior in not a negligible amount of cases. Mastodon is just fine as it is.
(DIR) Post #ARGrZ20GZ1B7G3RG8u by pthenq1@mastodon.la
2023-01-03T16:05:02Z
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@alberto @Gargron +1 to NO quoting
(DIR) Post #ARGzZx8gvv5Q5xKW8W by tallship@obo.sh
2023-01-03T17:31:21Z
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@Gargron Wow!Talk about a #hellthread, lolz...Anyway, the #Quote_Post feature isn't anything that you can do something about:1.) People on all of the other platforms will still have it and there's nothing that a mastodon user account can do to stop it - they will only be able to observe it occurring despite what they think about it.Those in favor of you deploying the feature will migrate their accounts and followers to those other platforms if you don't roll it out.Those against the feature will find their mastodon friends moving on to other Fediverse servers that are not mastodon, and still only be able to merely complain about it happening across the entire #Fediverse.2.) Anyone, even on a mastodon server, can already take advantage of simply pasting the link of someone else's post into their own fresh post - no opting out, no configuring that only their friends can quote post them. No control whatsoever.You have a choice, albeit, not an enviable one. You can either implement the feature, or watch as your mastodon platform continues to hemorrhage users to the other more capable, and feature complete Fediverse server platforms.Most other platforms aren't resource hogs either, and require low minimum hardware requirements for #home and #smallweb deployments, even performing exceedingly well on #Raspberry_Pi computers on their home LANs.To remain relevant over the next year and s half, with all of the phenomenal development elsewhere in the Fediverse with federating groups and chat and marketplaces, etc., It's probably not a good idea to continue to allow mastodon to atrophe from having fallen so far behind already and suffering from bit rot.Even almost as soon as they arrive, people are leaving in mass numbers for the other Fediverse platforms as soon as they discover that mastodon is not the Fediverse, but rather, just one amongst many others that are far more capable and feature complete platforms for engaging with their friends and loved ones across the entire Fediverse.I hope that helps!#tallship #mastodon #FOSS #ActivityPub ⛵.
(DIR) Post #ARH9gSUiGdX4cXN4im by Unatributed@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T15:30:48Z
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@Gargron Question: what happens if someone quote posts a post that from an instance that has been banned on my instance?Is this going to become a method that people use for #fediblock evasion?What about quoted posts of people I've muted / blocked?I think this is a much more difficult feature to implement in a large scale federated environment.
(DIR) Post #ARH9gT4s6CSKQgHx56 by oklomsy@fedi.cheeseland.xyz
2023-01-03T19:28:03.964646Z
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@Unatributed @Gargron Regarding your first point, it's very easy to check the post being quoted to see if its blocked or muted by you or the instance itself.This is not that difficult of a feature to implement.
(DIR) Post #ARHHIB1uLdXx8dpXpA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-01-03T20:53:21Z
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@tallship @Gargron If he mods it enough, it will turn into Microsoft Windows.
(DIR) Post #ARHQjWl4ZM9Rvz4YAy by milk@poa.st
2023-01-03T22:39:08.570674Z
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@Gargron look this fool
(DIR) Post #ARHQl3jxQchsW2HV7w by Turdicus@poa.st
2023-01-03T22:39:25.805296Z
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@Gargron imagine having enough of an opinion on something as unimportant as the concept of “quote posts” to not only have an initial stance on it but feel the need to revisit your stance 4-5 years later as if anyone would ever give a shit what a cum gargling faggot thinks about a social media feature
(DIR) Post #ARHQrsWRXEEfkcDBI0 by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-01-03T22:40:03.332560Z
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Yes your new journalist friends need to be able to quote post for better targeted harassment. The only difference here is that you can't get people banned for telling the truth (journalists are not human)
(DIR) Post #ARHR6GSjK5HC3PKoLI by graf@poa.st
2023-01-03T22:43:14.605967Z
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@Turdicus @Gargron they exist in pleroma because I asked for it if i can pass the torch of hate from pleroma faggots who still cry about it to this fool im fine with it
(DIR) Post #ARHRCEOFwLXrMg5Sjo by Turdicus@poa.st
2023-01-03T22:44:20.402675Z
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@graf @Gargron 🙏
(DIR) Post #ARHRyIySCVADTtwRt2 by zero@strelizia.net
2023-01-03T22:52:58.811852Z
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@Gargron consider not being a registered child rapist in germany
(DIR) Post #ARHSIhHzVVq2gWntpI by lamp@mastodong.lol
2023-01-03T22:56:41Z
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@zero bro wut
(DIR) Post #ARIbMQ1IkVPR1so4jQ by Pardalo_Katsiki@libretooth.gr
2023-01-04T08:18:03Z
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@Gargron Please DON'T.The absence of the quote feature is one essential factor differentiating Mastodon from Twitter and discouraging aggressive and abusive behaviors while giving space to engagement and exchange. Whoever wants to agree or disagree with a statement, post, point of view can do it, there are ways for that. No need to go backwards and use a feature that has no positive record on Twitter, in my humble opinion. Thanks.
(DIR) Post #ARIknjcEtqFFD8BTyy by specktator_@kafeneio.social
2023-01-04T13:58:39Z
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@Gargron Just because there is a lot of demand doesn't mean that it should be implemented.Quoting a user's post means that the quoting user doesn't reply to the original subject and context but instead is promoting his/her opinion/comment by *using* the original one. Therefore such a move will result to a passive aggressive-by-design medium (at best) when the actual objective is to create content and respond productively. Also this behavior is generally unacceptable IRL, why having it here?
(DIR) Post #ARMMTO7RUfkmTrNrwe by tallship@obo.sh
2023-01-06T07:44:56Z
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@amerika @Gargron That's certainly the topic in a lot of the dev circles, with this big push to make a couple of the mastodon instances into big monolithic silos - just like #Faceplant, #Twatter, and #IInstaSPAM.That, and the branding strategy with three word #Fediverse mostly scrubbed from his masto branded websites, like a slap in the face to the community.It's not good to continue encouraging people to believe it's the only component of the network, themselves becoming really confused when they begin meeting folks on other types of Fediverse server platforms - especially when the model is to promote greater numbers of smaller instances instead of monoliths that stand in stark contrast to decentralization.With the other platforms already supporting federated chat and groups the relevance of mastodon is dubious.
(DIR) Post #ARNeiCobnOkE6DkY9g by CatherineRussell2@mastodon.world
2023-01-05T18:37:33Z
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@Gargron I have to say it’s the main thing I miss. Could #mastodonworld consider it too please?
(DIR) Post #ARNeiDKrrSY5iGqJRA by ducktapepr@mastodon.world
2023-01-06T22:36:23Z
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@CatherineRussell2 @Gargron That's one that I suspect as the admin/owner of #mastodonworld @ruud would need to be on board with if its on an instance by instance thing. You can quote tweets to a degree but not the same way as the birdie. Its more like either a copy link to post OR literally a copy and paste the entire thing lol. I know I've seen they have their reasons for having doubts about quote twoots and the abuse "some" quoted tweets cause.
(DIR) Post #ARNeiDpM26w3Ep6exM by ruud@mastodon.world
2023-01-06T22:43:52Z
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@ducktapepr @CatherineRussell2 @Gargron At #mastodonworld we use the default Mastodon software. So if @Gargron and team implement it in the software, we will upgrade and it will be there. We won’t change the code ourselves.
(DIR) Post #ARNjrlZQRi8aGe1giu by ducktapepr@mastodon.world
2023-01-06T23:41:47Z
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@ruud @CatherineRussell2 @Gargron Lovely thanks Ruud! 😊
(DIR) Post #ARPYOE5v7RpSrlrBya by graf@poa.st
2023-01-07T20:42:36.901116Z
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@Gargron hey @Moon can you delete this assholes post?
(DIR) Post #ARPZ9Bl1crNHEETch6 by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-01-07T20:43:23.227115Z
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Eugen have you considered installing Soapbox
(DIR) Post #ARPZ9CFVnVlEkmjyDI by ryu@nicecrew.digital
2023-01-07T20:49:52.712337Z
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Gargamel VS. Greasonator, who’s going to win?
(DIR) Post #ARXIuvZYca7F2xAbjc by Nonplayable@mastodon.social
2023-01-08T17:51:24Z
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@Gargron I think any form of quote toot would kneecap the platform's appeal to me. On the one hand you've got the timeline filling up with posts from like, parlor.toot because some well meaning doofus wanted to quote it and get their dunks in, on the other hand if you can toggle it off, you miss good people using it to hype up other good people with glowing reviews or recommendations.Just let your boost be boost and toot be toot.
(DIR) Post #ARXIuwEKB0j35OFAHI by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-01-10T22:21:57.637003Z
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No, I think quote posts are important. People use them, whether it makes sense that they do doesn't matter. It's something social media has evolved to use and there's a demand to it. Whenever I introduce Mastodon to people from Twitter it's among the first things they notice to be missing.I think it's important, simply because people use it, whether I like it doesn't matter.
(DIR) Post #ARXIuwfyWCqMT9BFNQ by Nonplayable@mastodon.social
2023-01-11T01:23:19Z
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@Erik @Gargron QuoteTweet is primarily used as a tool of the extreme right to bait other users into spreading their views by quoting it with some sort of pithy rebuttal, with the end result that the baiting account gains higher visibility on timelines. Removal of QT is a safety feature, especially on Masto, unless the devs want to get aggressive about cutting off instances devoted to right wing and fascist ideals
(DIR) Post #ARXIuxK27Gt0TNvEoa by Nonplayable@mastodon.social
2023-01-08T18:02:21Z
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@Gargron Boost implies endorsement and keeps low quality, bad faith, and abusive posts in their own circles. Quoting allows the quoted to add commentary, so while someone's racist tirade might normally go unnoticed, now it has the ability to show up with like, "Wow, they really said the quiet part out loud":'racist tirade here'
(DIR) Post #ARXIuyV3jlIg7s5Ydk by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-01-11T09:09:49.251599Z
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This isn't even true or a statistic, this is just your opinion. I know a million far left and communist people on Twitter who'd use quote tweets.... This is such an odd point to make.Additionally: it has a good reason to exist. If you want to show a post with your added comment without commenting it. A quote post would be showed on your main timeline, a comment only if you look under 'comments'.If you want to show off a post by, for example, someone you disagree with, wanting their statement to be shown with your added comment, then you wouldn't repost it, that is literally boosting it.Remember when Elon Musk made so many anti-Free Speech actions on Twitter? People quote retweeted the 'I wouldn't even ban my worst enemies' quote in which he claimed he'd never ban the ElonJet account or ban journalists.These posts by Musk were months old, still, would you want to boost them? Would you want to reply to them months after the post was made? Idk. I think Quote Posts very much have a reason to exist. Showing off someone else's post whilst making it clear you disagree with them or bringing up older statements that contradict newer ones, etc.Quote Posts are important and here to stay.
(DIR) Post #ARXIuyw07aqpTQh4dM by Nonplayable@mastodon.social
2023-01-11T12:53:17Z
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@Erik @Gargron Screenshots are every bit as effective without bringing increased prominence to the account
(DIR) Post #ARXIuzYzmc2jQMwDPk by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-01-11T12:57:33.108876Z
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Oh no, why would you say this?
(DIR) Post #ARXIv08ReoOpCJWWfY by Nonplayable@mastodon.social
2023-01-11T13:09:07Z
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@Erik @Gargron And those can be reported. But the extra two or three steps provide enough buffer, by being slightly less convenient, to prevent knee jerk QTs that serve to spread vitriol, or to prevent pile-ons from being quoted by a popular user.
(DIR) Post #ARXIv0anxN5IcGnAsC by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-01-11T13:14:37.409175Z
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but how are specifically QTs creating "pile ons" for being quoted by a popular user, wouldn't the same happen if they were to boost you? I do not see how everything on social media, including boosts, comments, etc. is fine, but specifically QTs spread vitriol and cause pile-ons. If I were to just comment and make a gnarly bad-faith reply as a popular user, everyone who follows me would be notified, see my comment, then be able to trash on the original poster. I see no difference to that and the same happening but as a quote post. I like quote posts, I specifically ditched Mastodon for a software that allows quote posts (Rebased). I think Mastodon should add quote posts to reach admins and users like me.
(DIR) Post #ARXIv16i2kbaDDiebQ by Nonplayable@mastodon.social
2023-01-11T14:01:11Z
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@Erik @Gargron because a boost implies endorsement of the original post, while a quote does not necessarily - the additional steps of either linking to and clicking through a post, or screenshot, crop, attach, and post, are a natural barrier to knee jerk reactions that are more effective than Twitter 's scolding pop-up.And as you demonstrate, a bad faith admin with a bad faith instance can do whatever it wants on Masto, but at least a barrier of inconveniences exists
(DIR) Post #ARXIv1e22rGBsZJGXg by Nonplayable@mastodon.social
2023-01-11T14:02:32Z
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@Erik @Gargron Currently the site is usable without a 40,000 account long Blocklist, but that changes the more "twitter-like" it becomes
(DIR) Post #ARXIv2BM2xunXutsTw by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-01-11T14:15:06.260783Z
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I don’t get your point of me demonstrating a bad faith admin. What have I done in bad faith, I seriously just laid out all arguments for quote posting and you disagreed with them. Additionally you argued that quote posts are something inherently by or for the “extreme right” which is just plain wrong. I do not see how a comment does not do the same thing as a quote post in the sense you are criticizing and you have so far not responded to that argument at all.All you’ve said is that a boost endorses, which I fully agree with, and that a quote does not. That is precisely the reason I would want quote posts. I can show off someone else’s post, give my added piece of information, opinion, etc. to it, without having people think I agree with that statement. Commenting on a year old post would be weird. Saying “In light of recent events, I’d like to remind all of you that Elon Musk also said this” is possibly the best reason for quote posts. A screenshot, again, can be faked and often reports do nothing (think of the amount of times Joe Rogan believed a fake screenshot on his cesspool/podcast of misinformation).Additionally, I do not see your point with the blocklists at all. You’re arguing the more twitter-like Mastodon becomes the more you will need a blocklist? So, adding any feature Twitter once had/has (like Twitter spaces or their chronological timeline) will lead to you needing a stricter / longer blocklist? I just do not get that argument.
(DIR) Post #ARXIv31SvDbC9XHUhs by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-01-11T14:19:30.125383Z
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@aceattorneybot render
(DIR) Post #ARXIv3X11uptjO2gsq by aceattorneybot@gameliberty.club
2023-01-11T14:26:51Z
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@Erik @Gargron @Nonplayable Here's the court session
(DIR) Post #ARsitF9OPAdRDZzhMO by davidaugust@mastodon.online
2023-01-03T06:43:04Z
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@Gargron Do not collapse into another site's UX just from pressure. Please consult the UX research on how such a feature impacts discourse, and make the choice, either way, with eyes open. It may well tilt interactions here toward animosity. The addition of quote boosts is unlikely to significantly increase adoption. Let new features improve things, not merely mimic. A noisy constituency should not rule the day just because they're loud. Thank you for all your hard work. #ux
(DIR) Post #ARsitFjYEjYh1iuZii by vidar@m.galaxybound.com
2023-01-03T22:06:55Z
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@davidaugust @Gargron QT's are *already here*. Several pieces of fediverse software supports it. Supporting a "dumb" QT is a minor hack of the UI to hit the API endpoint for URLs in a post when encountering it that can be done even without support of your instance admin.In other words: The realistic choice is not between QT's or no QT's, but between bad/simplistic QT's with no opt-in/out mechanisms etc., or a compromise to get it *right* before more people opt for the simplistic option.