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(DIR) Post #ARFK94I9wPI9BIrOoi by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:15:08Z
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I'm very happy with Vivaldi, my main browser for the last 7 years, but ...... in the new browser Arc there's a truly fascinating feature:"Easels"It lets you a) take screenshots of parts of other web pagesb) paste them all together on one page, so you can glance at them. But ...c) ... they're *live*. They update. You can interact with themIt's wildMy essay on it, if you're a Medium subscriber: https://clivethompson.medium.com/the-most-powerful-and-unusual-feature-in-the-new-arc-browser-2552bb7848ceIf you're not, here's a "friend" link: https://clivethompson.medium.com/the-most-powerful-and-unusual-feature-in-the-new-arc-browser-2552bb7848ce?sk=5ba433356a40bd42c72b17319605622a
(DIR) Post #ARFKFJRQWpeZu7AlUW by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:15:48Z
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(Alas, Arc is Mac-only right now, so it won't run on my Linux laptop or Windows desktop)
(DIR) Post #ARFKSXoUPBKaF6GlHc by taco@mythic.wtf
2023-01-02T22:18:37Z
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@clive Wild is exactly the word I'd use to describe this also. Curious how it works on the backend.
(DIR) Post #ARFKYAEkyT7MrLEeXY by micheinnz@mastodon.nz
2023-01-02T22:18:42Z
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@clive Where might a person acquire a copy of Arc, please?
(DIR) Post #ARFKpHGY5tyla9EZ8a by jonathan@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:21:30Z
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@clive Holy cats
(DIR) Post #ARFKzXXCSlCMvxuqOG by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:21:43Z
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@jonathan Right??
(DIR) Post #ARFLHf7WzsWjfqYDQm by MikeTRose@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:27:47Z
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@clive @jonathan into every generation, a Cyberdog is born. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdog
(DIR) Post #ARFLXhcPTdqQ3SduYy by franktaber@mas.to
2023-01-02T22:30:43Z
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@clive Interesting and funny. Am I remembering right that Internet Explorer used to be able to do that with active desktops (or whatever it was called)?
(DIR) Post #ARFLiLqOm3C7hyGOzw by maya@occult.institute
2023-01-02T22:32:41Z
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@clive I hate this because I love it. Because I love it, I have made my own dashboards with iframes, the open web's native way of assembling this kind of thing. But because of security concerns, most sites indicate that browsers should not allow iframes to be used in this way, so my little HTML assemblages are blocked. But because Vivaldi is itself the browser, it can ignore this. But that then encourages this kind of thing to only exist as non-open-web extension. So I hate it.
(DIR) Post #ARFLprhIk6o4WhaiW0 by vanderwal@mastodon.social
2023-01-02T22:33:59Z
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@clive Nice overview!I’ve been using it for about a month and finding it is my sane many tabs and tab group browser, particularly for reasearch. By default thing of potiential interest I still open in Safari and go there for quick searches (always trying to get under 1k tabs). Google is still YouTube, Wordle, and Twitter (it can take the abuse from YouTube and Twitter), Firefox is Facebook only due to rather good Facebook fencing.
(DIR) Post #ARFM8pVb6YCfEx9yXg by dethe@merveilles.town
2023-01-02T22:37:28Z
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@clive That sounds very very cool, thanks for pointing it out.
(DIR) Post #ARFMLHUCuVnfUCRlYW by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:39:46Z
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@dethe Cool, give it a whirl!
(DIR) Post #ARFMXkR56PbQkLvgVE by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:42:00Z
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@vanderwal I do the same thing with using different browsers for different purposes!There's something about it that helps keep the functions/services/domains separate in my mind, in some way that's possibly useful for my attention?I do most of my work in Vivaldi, but use Chrome for Mastodon and occasionally skype, for example ...
(DIR) Post #ARFMe3RHMV5PQC1ray by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:42:55Z
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@maya Yeah, agreed, a fully open-web way of doing this would be much superior
(DIR) Post #ARFMkvrvuDWpyDmAHg by MikeTRose@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:21:30Z
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@micheinnz @clive waiting list signup https://arc.net/ as Clive cited in his post
(DIR) Post #ARFMkwWhSe8e0eqipM by micheinnz@mastodon.nz
2023-01-02T22:33:19Z
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@MikeTRose @clive Thank you. I must have missed the link.
(DIR) Post #ARFMkx07hFfrTucDgm by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:42:18Z
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@micheinnz @MikeTRose 🤘 🤖
(DIR) Post #ARFMqVdMMNSULDcPbc by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-02T22:44:08Z
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@franktaber Possibly! I don't knowI know that in the mid-00s, Microsoft Research had a version of this for Windows as a tech demo -- you'd take snippets of any windows app and could display *just* that snippet in the corner of your screenPretty badass, really
(DIR) Post #ARFNTIIFtQaOGDF16m by franktaber@mas.to
2023-01-02T22:52:26Z
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@clive Maybe Windows 98? The desktop wasn't really a single desktop picture any more so you could drag and drop webpages and widgets on it and those would be live pages. Sometimes if you messed it up your background would be the IE navigation failure page.
(DIR) Post #ARFP6zCwN9egbYFIg4 by rjmourinha@woof.group
2023-01-02T23:10:43Z
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@clive interesting. Why Vivaldi as opposed to others, and how do you find it to perform on a Mac as opposed to say Safari? (Also, is it an Intel or Apple Silicon Mac?)
(DIR) Post #ARFQUUqF1ZqzKWP2Om by ProgGrrl@bbq.snoot.com
2023-01-02T23:26:15Z
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@clive Thanks for this info. I’ve been seeing some very positive comments about Arc here on mastodon for the past month, getting on their list.Question about Vivaldi, I hear they started their own instance recently. Have you used it in any way? Or do you see any benefits there.
(DIR) Post #ARFTANu5PT61soIpo8 by maureenogle@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-02T23:56:10Z
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@clive wow! That is cool. Very cool. Thanks.
(DIR) Post #ARFTGDPRL9fz4akTIW by vanderwal@mastodon.social
2023-01-02T23:56:34Z
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@clive Up until Arc, I’ve thought about my browsers as “this has the best capability for” or knowing what type of site / webapp doesn’t work well in a browser.But, Arc I’m thinking of it from a this will help me organize my research or personal projects. But, having part of the viewing part of the browser open to a webpage tab and the other half for notes or an easel for capturing things from across pages / tabs / sites.
(DIR) Post #ARFVCu7mmep2In2XBI by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:18:50Z
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@vanderwal Yeah, Arc is making me think that browsers haven't been anywhere near as experimental and daring as they should have been
(DIR) Post #ARFVO5nDk2jbfykuTg by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:21:04Z
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@ProgGrrl I didn't know that! I just searched for it and yeah, it looks like they've got an instance ... https://social.vivaldi.net/@VivaldiSuper interesting that they made it public like thatI wonder if they've had any moderation issues? There's a ton of users there
(DIR) Post #ARFVOhE6Z3Dxm4cP1E by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:19:04Z
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@maureenogleIt's neat, eh?
(DIR) Post #ARFVVHe64URSSpuvB2 by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:22:19Z
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@tim It is pretty different yeah Though when you look at Easels, you think -- shit, browser haven't been anywhere near daring *enough*Granted, they're incredibly hard pieces of tech to create, so one can excuse browser-makers for sticking to the tried and true ...
(DIR) Post #ARFVa89gmfy2Th0O4O by vanderwal@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T00:23:07Z
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@clive I’ve really liked the idea of tab groups (from Opera days and now Safari), but the Arc implimentation works far better. Ark seems to be build by people who understand people who live in and do work in browser things. I’ve been using Obsidian since July 2020 and that is now ingrained in my notes and research workflow practices and that isn’t budging for me (it replaced an app I used in a similar way for about a decade for notes going back to 2003).
(DIR) Post #ARFVokBoAdzYUcxs9o by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:25:51Z
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@rjmourinha Why I prefer Vivaldi is that it's built for power users and folks who juggle *lunatic* amounts of tabs -- which I do, hehSo the main two things Vivaldi does far better than most other browser is a) excellent vertical tabbing and b) superb built-in quick search to let you re-find an open tab (from amongst my forest of 84 open tabs)I wrote a bit about it here: https://debugger.medium.com/why-you-should-switch-to-a-browser-with-vertical-tabs-a47863725196(Friend link if you're not a Medium subscriber: https://debugger.medium.com/why-you-should-switch-to-a-browser-with-vertical-tabs-a47863725196?sk=db6067b3737d9a921d3bfa1224008d69)
(DIR) Post #ARFVudwYJ3G8rIdrBw by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:26:17Z
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@rjmourinha (It's an Intel mac -- a late 2017 Macbok pro)
(DIR) Post #ARFW84CG0aBK2wO9BI by franktaber@mas.to
2023-01-02T23:05:33Z
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@clive Here it is -- Active Desktop:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Desktop
(DIR) Post #ARFW84t9R6UcBySP2W by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:28:23Z
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@franktaber I remember Active desktop!This was a little different, though ... it wasn't HTML based. The little screen-cuts you took were from other Windows apps, not from the webThey never released it as a product, as I recall ... it was just a tech demo
(DIR) Post #ARFWiqGgl0SjYvzsdE by franktaber@mas.to
2023-01-03T00:35:40Z
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@clive There was definitely something that was live, so maybe Active Desktop was different or changed from version to version? I remember using it for webpages. I'll dig around.
(DIR) Post #ARFX258ngW0pBwTvSy by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:39:35Z
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@franktaber I'm gonna poke around in my old reporting files ... I originally saw the screen-cuts thing when in 2005 I was writing about Mary Czerwinski, a longtime Microsoft Research person and storied figure in human-computer interactionIt's probably in an old note in an old folder from that story ...
(DIR) Post #ARFX935th2NQs2Rhuy by franktaber@mas.to
2023-01-03T00:38:53Z
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@clive A blast from the past:https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/special-edition-using/0789715538/0789715538_ch21lev1sec1.html
(DIR) Post #ARFX93criSkSWHs2Iy by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:39:57Z
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@franktaber So cool!!
(DIR) Post #ARFXRLCr5hkIG0QHCa by mjgardner@social.sdf.org
2023-01-03T00:44:06Z
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@clive Based on how you described it I don’t think you get the #ArcBrowser tab thing yet. Tabs are bookmarks are history are multi-paned work surfaces, organized into spaces however best works for you. They can be ephemeral but recalled quickly; they can be always at the ready, and you can collapse them into folders and spawn temporary spaces for them as you tentatively explore new things.The fact they’re vertical is the least interesting thing about them, though it’s absolutely necessary.
(DIR) Post #ARFYpSCmox1yrsS6pk by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T00:59:41Z
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@mjgardner Oh, I get it! I made a bunch of spaces and swapped between 'emI just didn't foreground that much in my piece because on a personal level, that sort of space-based project-based organizing of tabs isn't my style -- and while Arc does it very *well*, the concept of spaces/sections to cluster tabs felt a bit more familiar to me too. (One can reasonably disagree with my assessment here)That "Easel" stuff, though -- I've never seen a modern browser attempt anything even *like* that
(DIR) Post #ARFZJVmg4xhcegZZvU by ProgGrrl@bbq.snoot.com
2023-01-03T01:05:08Z
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@clive I’ll have to give Vivaldi the browser a try and see if there’s any need to explore that instance etc. I was interested to hear that Mozilla is working on their own instance as well. Lots of work bubbling up, exciting times for the open internet!
(DIR) Post #ARFayHG35ljXQiJUiu by nicomen@oslo.town
2023-01-03T01:23:43Z
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@clive Active desktop in the 99s, Opera widgets in the 00s..
(DIR) Post #ARFc9iK2uJFAVaCTZI by vanderwal@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T01:36:54Z
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@clive There is an odd catch-22 and cross purposing with browsers and apps these days.Chromium, which many browsers use as their base these days should have freed up work on playing at the edges of what a browser can do, but much of that turned into building apps for web browsers (specific web browsers, which was a bad practice from early web years, pre-web standards). The other side is Safari and a lot of mobile apps are little more than WebUI.
(DIR) Post #ARFdX2RONCLTWGK2SG by ernie@writing.exchange
2023-01-03T01:52:20Z
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@clive Need to check out Arc again. I kind of faded from it pretty fast. I cross platforms a lot, which is one of Vivaldi’s strengths
(DIR) Post #ARFe2BFRg59hoOaGQK by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T01:57:28Z
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@ernie Vivaldi's still my go-to for my Linux and Windows boxes
(DIR) Post #ARFek6LdG33zM7Q9c8 by garylerude@mindly.social
2023-01-03T02:05:55Z
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@clive I'm a happy Vivaldi user as well.
(DIR) Post #ARFezT9Am2LwPRvA0G by ernie@writing.exchange
2023-01-03T02:08:21Z
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@clive I also heavily favor it on Android
(DIR) Post #ARFh2xzwj4z8rzOubw by markhurst@mastodon.social
2023-01-03T02:31:42Z
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@clive rocking with every part of that post except the choice of todo list! Good Todo would work great on an easel...
(DIR) Post #ARFimaLx4OyOoL0hDU by zbender@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-03T02:51:13Z
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@chetwisniewski It’s Yahoo! Widgets / Konfabulator all over again! :-)
(DIR) Post #ARFl4isaJ90qNM3BUe by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T03:16:43Z
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@markhurst lol yes!
(DIR) Post #ARFlAKTnwDxyRH8JBQ by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T03:17:02Z
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@ernie yep yepThey have really good engineering and design
(DIR) Post #ARFlIKZHUf3t1tVga8 by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T03:17:16Z
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@garylerude It's great, eh?
(DIR) Post #ARFrYC8rBmpFFq695s by garylerude@mindly.social
2023-01-03T04:29:26Z
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@clive@saturation.socia Also, read your Medium article about Arc Easels. Cool.
(DIR) Post #ARG6Ze8y3yxBhcIfya by dmitry@file-explorers.club
2023-01-03T07:17:50Z
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@clive arc is the most exciting new software to enter my life in ages! a good share of my coworkers switched to it too. it’s so great!
(DIR) Post #ARGGb6P9TRkdBSCeVU by rjmourinha@woof.group
2023-01-03T09:10:08Z
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@clive oh, I remember reading that! I have tried Vivaldi in the past and liked it, but eventually for convenience’s sake shifted to Safari. Think it’s maybe time I should try it again.
(DIR) Post #ARGa9nel4O2CIklGu8 by therealahall@infosec.exchange
2023-01-03T12:49:19Z
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@clive @taco I’m really enjoying #Arc #browser but hit a roadblock where I couldn’t access a local dev instance and it kept forcing me into a Google search. Once that hurdle gets cleared it’s likely going to replace #vivaldi for me
(DIR) Post #ARGrpAcSIVuOc4zsVE by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T16:07:10Z
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@therealahall @taco Ah, damn, that sucks
(DIR) Post #ARGs4Zlh4nk6xHfEzQ by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T16:08:12Z
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@dmitry Right on!
(DIR) Post #ARH2enst4OPEhZwTpo by morbidnomad@mas.to
2023-01-03T18:07:50Z
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@clive reminds of google live and other custom webpages where you could put widgets from various parts of the web. If I remember correctly, Yahoo exemplified that trend. FLOCK did something similar way back ....https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flock_(web_browser)
(DIR) Post #ARH3qy1NJ5FLZPHBQW by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-03T18:21:56Z
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@morbidnomad I remember Flock!
(DIR) Post #ARH4rIHc4c9mMiaiC8 by polarisera@spinster.xyz
2023-01-03T18:34:02.619582Z
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@clive @morbidnomad The tards of "cascading style sheets" destroyed the modularization of the web. Understanding nothing of history or design, the tards of the web always think they are the smart ones and all history is just the work of geezers who don't get it. Let history judge the tards of "cascading style sheets" were wrong.
(DIR) Post #ARJDWxz37ld5WID4tc by kwazana@mstdn.social
2023-01-04T19:19:48Z
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@clive ok ok i'm going to try it out, january is a good time to inventory your electronic gadget/app life.
(DIR) Post #ARJndFH1LnUdEMuQvg by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-05T02:04:21Z
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@kwazana I similarly make several gnarlily digital new years vows