Post ARFdCBWfOrHpcBqUfA by orthzar@liberdon.com
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 (DIR) Post #ARFXEJd9degPbaVs12 by orthzar@liberdon.com
       2023-01-03T00:42:30Z
       
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       "Heirloom computering" is perhaps an appropriate term for computers that were a novelty decades ago and are trash now. But they are held onto in vain attempt to remember the past -- even though audio and video recordings would have done a 1000x better job than some shitty Commodore 64k.
       
 (DIR) Post #ARFXdC3ivUAJMWnrVo by orthzar@liberdon.com
       2023-01-03T00:47:00Z
       
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       >remember the pastIt occurs to me that this isn't quite right. Heirloom computer folks don't care about the past. They only mimic a very specific slice of the past, namely crap consumer electronics. If they were aware of Lisp or Smalltalk, they might have a chance of making usable computers.No, the real reason heirloom computers are trash is because the creators have totally failed to learn the lessons of the past, most importantly from Lisp and Smalltalk. But that would require reading.
       
 (DIR) Post #ARFdC926fVeXspX3ke by mu@collapsitarian.io
       2023-01-03T01:42:46.564600Z
       
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       @orthzar but the SID chips sounded so good!
       
 (DIR) Post #ARFdCBWfOrHpcBqUfA by orthzar@liberdon.com
       2023-01-03T01:49:20Z
       
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       @mu Using old computers for art makes perfect sense. But heirloom computer aren't making art; they only want computers that are borderline unusable.
       
 (DIR) Post #ARFdYmBVmfoXgHishE by hayley@social.applied-langua.ge
       2023-01-03T01:53:25.628791Z
       
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       @orthzar Have you read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28771886 before?> Instead of drawing any interesting lessons from Plan 9 for OS and distributed system design, it's an attempt to turn a burned-out wreck into a daily driver, generally by redefining driving as "sitting in a car and making brrr noises".
       
 (DIR) Post #ARFe5mYHRJiyNO6xF2 by hayley@social.applied-langua.ge
       2023-01-03T01:59:23.228551Z
       
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       @orthzar I also like someone telling Geoff how to research "about computers," given what research he published. A bit like telling a dog how to shit.
       
 (DIR) Post #ARFpeeWGOZ995wzvkW by orthzar@liberdon.com
       2023-01-03T04:08:57Z
       
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       @hayley I think I saw it when you posted it last. The phenomena he's describing is definitely the same. Learning lessons is difficult, so people should be eager to learn the lessons that other people struggled to learn. Because the alternative is to suffer and learn nothing.
       
 (DIR) Post #AThI1g1uJrwgUBo1js by hayley@social.applied-langua.ge
       2023-03-17T05:48:13.848944Z
       
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       @orthzar Some do seem to know Lisp or Smalltalk, but don't actually get it. Like the damn interactivity is gone, and the whole "make the system in a high-level language" schtick can't possibly fit with diatribes about bloat, so there that goes too. But holy crap look it's a neat looking monochrome GUI!!!Ehm. That's my monthly quota of exclamation marks.