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(DIR) Post #ARBWjEv6KDjzO1FX4i by Strandjunker@mstdn.social
2022-12-31T21:45:18Z
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New Year’s resolution: We stop saying history will judge them. We judge them now. With judges.
(DIR) Post #ARBWjFepaCJvfqe3M0 by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T02:18:01Z
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@StrandjunkerThat sounds a lot like what someone on the right would say. But I assume you're liberal. I'm glad we can look at the name of the instance and guess. Very confused. The Left and the Right have exactly the same rhetoric and talking points in 2022. I hope it's easier to discern in 2023. Happy new year!@psetnik
(DIR) Post #ARCQkMayrtLCujx1ZA by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T12:45:40Z
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@chris @Strandjunker @psetnik Right. Take Jan 6, for instance. The left and the right were practically indistinguishable on that issue in 2022.🥸
(DIR) Post #ARCZ99KQ8CeYdjXE5g by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T14:19:49Z
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@mcwyrmI didn't say the issues, I said the rhetoric. The wording. And what they accuse the other side of doing. It would have been much better for the left if anyone but liberals considered January 6th to be as terrible as it's sold in the hearings. Not enough blood, fires, actual killings, exploded bombs, and actual guns. Just some bear spray, some makeshift blunt objects, and the only shooting happened against a seditionist through a door by a guard. A hard sell :(@Strandjunker @psetnik
(DIR) Post #ARCZOpb1GNTa4gmCuW by psetnik@mstdn.social
2023-01-01T14:22:36Z
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@chris @Strandjunker I'm honestly confused and not at all spoiling for a fight: What about the OP's statement is leftist or rightist? Isn't suggesting that people be called to justice a fairly centrist position? Shouldn't we be advocating for the rule of law, instead of trying people in the media or via mob rule?What am I missing here?
(DIR) Post #ARCZmDYKMKt52EfX1c by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T14:26:52Z
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@chris @Strandjunker @psetnik I'm sorry the insurrection wasn't sufficiently bloody.🥸
(DIR) Post #ARCZzdiiNdYXxNvZj6 by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T14:29:15Z
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@chrisI'll pay you $10 if you can site even one right-winger calling for people to be brought before *judges* as opposed to, you know, simply thrown in jail.
(DIR) Post #ARCaYI0N6nz4kAi0Su by psetnik@mstdn.social
2023-01-01T14:35:32Z
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@chris @mcwyrm @Strandjunker Well, I'm obviously missing some essential context here. The OP didn't mention January 6; there is apparently something behind her comment that is revelatory, and I'm missing it.On its face, the comment from OP is a perfectly rational, reasonable statement about all manner of wrong-doers. I totally agree that justice should be swift and fair and blind and all those good things we envision justice to be. We have an obligation to bring bad people to justice.
(DIR) Post #ARCafFq1Z0OU3BBqJU by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T14:36:46Z
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@mcwyrmNot even remotely. It doesn't track. We've got all the guns. So disappointing. Not even a Reichstag burning. So lame. Lameasaurus.@Strandjunker @psetnik
(DIR) Post #ARCantwcKi9KkqOg0O by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T14:38:20Z
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@mcwyrmI don't know what you mean. You can't just throw people into jail without going through a judge. Right? Only the CIA and NSA can throw people into Polish black prison sites. Please explain.
(DIR) Post #ARCar7jPWuQENnkxBg by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T14:38:57Z
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@psetnikYes. Everyone should be brought to justice. Not selectively. @Strandjunker
(DIR) Post #ARCauKZ0HDL739Px5s by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T14:39:31Z
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@psetnikYes. @mcwyrm @Strandjunker
(DIR) Post #ARCh63DfBfSuSRPLLk by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T15:48:52Z
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@psetnikWas responding to this...@mcwyrm @Strandjunker
(DIR) Post #ARChP7mGSrT062gfNw by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T15:52:16Z
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@chris You we're talking about *rhetoric*. You can certain *call* for throwing people into jail instead of calling for them to be prosecuted before a judge. On this issue (and most others), the rhetoric coming from the right wing is easily distinguished from that coming from the left.
(DIR) Post #ARCiZG8CMOCCr5LKRU by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T16:05:16Z
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@mcwyrmYes, because one is discussing the right and the other is discussing the left. All of this is third rail stuff. Nobody on either side can see it. Because each side is so extremely "by any means necessary" weaponized that to think that your adversary is simply just the other Football team and they're just playing football, just like you, is existential heresy. Everyone's talking about projection, everyone is calling the other "enablers of violence" and each side is saying...
(DIR) Post #ARCit1Jv8WRiiBFUHo by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T16:08:57Z
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@mcwyrm... The other side is trying to kill Democracy and is trying to destroy the American way of life. Just in their own way. But, I'll never be able to convince anyone. The cop who responds to the domestic disturbance is always the one who ends up dead. I'll concede that everyone is right as far as they know and as far as they believe in their heart of hearts. Everyone really believes what they believe enough in order to make them willing to rush the pillbox, willing to die for it.
(DIR) Post #ARCjx84k3wrIm6fkDA by psetnik@mstdn.social
2023-01-01T16:20:49Z
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@chris @mcwyrm @Strandjunker Ooooooohhhhhhh.... Thank you for your patience!
(DIR) Post #ARCk3nVyuB2r2BapVY by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T16:22:05Z
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@psetnikWe're just getting to know eachother. I love these interactions. Have a great Sunday. @mcwyrm @Strandjunker
(DIR) Post #ARCkTJMncLhH3pSppg by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T16:26:39Z
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@chris oh jhfc, dude. Wtf?
(DIR) Post #ARCkdoLDJIF21QjGF6 by psetnik@mstdn.social
2023-01-01T16:28:34Z
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@chris @mcwyrm @Strandjunker To you as well! Happy and healthy New Year!
(DIR) Post #ARCkiK7l5FqjkmaT8y by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T16:29:23Z
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@chris I pointed out one (of a great many) specific differences between right wing rhetoric and left wing rhetoric in 2022. The right wing calls for people to be thrown in jail. The left wing calls for the investigation and prosecution of crimes. This is an objective, specific, observable difference. It is becoming harder and harder to imagine you're engaging in good faith.
(DIR) Post #ARCkwTWYvnmwxfwA40 by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T16:31:57Z
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@mcwyrmSure, it's true. About the other sides and not about the issues. About the sticks and stones that each side is saying about the other side, including "the end to democracy" and "the other side is saying we're doing something when they're actually doing it, they're projecting"... Stuff like that. Same rhetorical tools with different ideologies. Except the extreme left and extreme right tend to have populism in common. Crazy world.
(DIR) Post #ARClFoSRKDupO6EIbI by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T16:35:27Z
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@chris If this call to bring people before judges confused you - you can't tell if it's from the right or the left - then please point to any example anywhere of right wingers calling for people to be brought before judges rather than simple thrown in prison. Put up or shut up.
(DIR) Post #ARClT9EtN5T3bZFeng by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T16:37:50Z
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@mcwyrmLike I said, you literally can't throw people into jail.
(DIR) Post #ARCmhj318J9CfgDDTk by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T16:30:53Z
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@chris I pointed out one (of a great many) specific differences between right wing rhetoric and left wing rhetoric in 2022. The right wing calls for people to be thrown in jail. The left wing calls for the investigation and prosecution of crimes. This is an objective, specific, observable difference. It is becoming harder and harder to imagine you're engaging in good faith.
(DIR) Post #ARCmhjPLnH0nmwf3I0 by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T16:43:34Z
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Right wing: "Trump is going to activate the military to round up the Democrats and throw them into detention centers."Left wing: "The DoJ should enforce the law without fear or favor."@chris: "See? Same rhetoric on both sides. It's so confusing!"
(DIR) Post #ARCmhjri5phHCtvhUe by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T16:51:42Z
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@mcwyrmIf it makes you feel happy, here's some more ammo:Right wing: "the left is going to activate the military to round up the Republicans and throw them into FEMA camps."https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2010/fear-femaDon't forget that belief. Yikes!Actually, I think both sides are existentially afraid that someone's going to put them into some sort of reëducation internment culture revolution extermination camp of one form or the other. Everyone's so stressed out!
(DIR) Post #ARCmqktTdeG50G3VM8 by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T16:53:17Z
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@chris Like you also said, we're discussing rhetoric, not policy.As I said, it's becoming increasingly hard to imagine you're engaging in good faith.
(DIR) Post #ARCmyDz9sIuRFxH4zY by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T16:54:40Z
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@chris one side is actively calling for their political enemies to be rounded up and put into camps AND freaking out that they, themselves, will be put in camps. The other side is not doing either of these things. They are not at all similar.
(DIR) Post #ARCna6Ff4rFcH53PhQ by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T17:01:31Z
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@mcwyrmI mean, I could collect all the times when Democrats wished for the death, in words, of Republicans, especially Trump himself, but I always assume that they're just words and that people actually don't want Trump to be killed the same way they would have killed Hitler. I don't know if there's one Democrat who isn't into punching Nazis and fascists but they don't mean historical German Nazis, they been an increasingly large number of Conservative American. Me, I'm a leftist populist...
(DIR) Post #ARCntXY5oKz4RBweDw by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T17:04:57Z
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@mcwyrmMaybe closer to an anarcho-syndicalist and libertarian socialist. I really hate establishment GOP like Cheney and Romney and the only thing I recognize in the Trump base is the populist nationalism, which is antithetical to the traditional Bible, Guns, Trucks, Family, Jesus conservative cliché of historical American. There are a lot of pro-union Trump base people. Oddly populist. Not Socialist and surely nationalistic jingoistic xenophobes for sure. But not GOP only on that ticket.
(DIR) Post #ARCoEJD2JvRq2s01Ds by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T17:08:21Z
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@mcwyrm>Right wing: "Trump is going to activate the military to round up the Democrats and throw them into detention centers."How much of that is what happened versus how much of that is what is being reported as happening. It's really hard to tell. We only know what the camera shoot and share, we only know what seeing reported.I mean that quote sure does sound like something that the Trump base would say. I mean, that quote is extremely deplorable.
(DIR) Post #ARCopdJmWFmX7sx504 by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T17:15:28Z
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@chris literally none of that changes or complicates in any way what I said here.
(DIR) Post #ARCp8sfff39QFFMuFU by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T17:18:59Z
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@chris do you actually even follow politics?https://www.businessinsider.com/ginni-thomas-thought-biden-crime-family-would-be-sent-to-barges-off-gitmo-2022-3?op=1
(DIR) Post #ARCpgxiZP5yfk7yYcq by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T17:25:12Z
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@mcwyrmGood
(DIR) Post #ARCprWl1yw8TJRAGtk by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T17:26:58Z
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@mcwyrmNot in the same way you follow politics.
(DIR) Post #ARCptUPdfhVwcQ5uUa by mcwyrm@cybervillains.com
2023-01-01T17:19:58Z
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@chris I guess that's the explanation. You're nearly completely ignorant of the actual content of right wing rhetoric.
(DIR) Post #ARCptUpA8nvlta2IHA by chris@abraham.su
2023-01-01T17:27:27Z
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@mcwyrmNice.