Post AR8l7uidNwPbrECLw0 by ivan@vucica.net
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(DIR) Post #AR8l7uidNwPbrECLw0 by ivan@vucica.net
2022-12-30T18:15:35.015538Z
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Can Mastodon please implement blockquote formatting etc? I really want to write markdown on my Pleroma instance, and not worry about how Mastodon is not going to format quoted parts of posts correctly.And quote-posting. Pleroma just does the usual web page previews, thus resulting in decent equivalent of quote-posts. Hence my confusion about all the drama people made about “nuh Mastodon should not support this”.I’m already annoyed that my Pleroma instance is not doing the right thing with showing Friendica posts, breaking them terribly when my friend is reposting some of the posts.Or that Pleroma doesn’t seem to notify the original poster that I mentioned them by pasting their post’s URL. (It could just put it in recipients field in ActivityPub activity and object…).But I suppose I’m most surprised that blockquote doesn’t just work.(For example, this paragraph is supposed to be visually distinct from the rest of the text in this post. I used the > syntax in Markdown.)
(DIR) Post #AR8llWP3D63k1hvOO8 by philip@mastodon.mallegolhansen.com
2022-12-30T18:21:39Z
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@ivan That’s always the downside of standards vs. products: Products are easily mailable by a single entity (their owner) changing standards, or even just coming to a consensus about how to interpret / implement them, is a real pain in the rear.
(DIR) Post #AR8meOE1Jie2aevcVk by ivan@vucica.net
2022-12-30T18:32:40.468844Z
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@philip Controversial opinion: UX is what matters most, and cooperating on features like these with other (volunteer) developers is important.It's been years since the OStatus -> ActivityPub migration. ActivityPub specs incl ActivityStreams 2.0, Activity Vocabulary 2.0 should have included a spec for these critical user journeys from the get go, and if not, there should have been a roadmap. These are W3C managed and getting these things right is as important as leaving the door open for non-microblogging use cases (images with Pixelfed, software control with ForgeFed, writing with Write.as/Read.as/Pfefferle's Wordpress plugin, video posts with Peertube).I mean, especially considering Write.as/Wordpress. The character limit is artificial and I have it set to 5000 characters. If I write longform, I will also use formatting. The support needs to be excellent and cover at-least the defacto standard for plaintext markup, Markdown.Markdown isn't that powerful. The HTML it might generate seems like a reasonable subset to support in the ActivityStreams objects.Standard should have defined something from the get-go, and gotten expanded. Instead we have a [massive spec of post types and activities](https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/), with very dynamic set of properties attached to the posts.But that's just my misguided opinion, who am I to decide this
(DIR) Post #AR8mgtsoaINJM4Ct7I by ivan@vucica.net
2022-12-30T18:33:09.600776Z
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@philip Controversial opinion: UX is what matters most, and cooperating on features like these with other (volunteer) developers is important.It’s been years since the OStatus -> ActivityPub migration. ActivityPub specs incl ActivityStreams 2.0, Activity Vocabulary 2.0 should have included a spec for these critical user journeys from the get go, and if not, there should have been a roadmap. These are W3C managed and getting these things right is as important as leaving the door open for non-microblogging use cases (images with Pixelfed, software control with ForgeFed, writing with Write.as/Read.as/Pfefferle’s Wordpress plugin, video posts with Peertube).I mean, especially considering Write.as/Wordpress. The character limit is artificial and I have it set to 5000 characters. If I write longform, I will also use formatting. The support needs to be excellent and cover at-least the defacto standard for plaintext markup, Markdown.Markdown isn’t that powerful. The HTML it might generate seems like a reasonable subset to support in the ActivityStreams objects.Standard should have defined something from the get-go, and gotten expanded. Instead we have a massive spec of post types and activities, with very dynamic set of properties attached to the posts.But that’s just my misguided opinion, who am I to decide this
(DIR) Post #AR8mlNtSwq4vaaeKjA by ivan@vucica.net
2022-12-30T18:33:57.909023Z
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@philip Lol, even my animated parrot in my username :ceilingparrot: is not animated on your Mastodon instance, hilarious
(DIR) Post #AR8n77uT3Xq0O3UARE by darth@silversword.online
2022-12-30T18:31:30Z
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@ivan how do you see his post @freemo ? I just see plain text, of course.
(DIR) Post #AR8n78OxECDxubkVxQ by ivan@vucica.net
2022-12-30T18:37:50.498370Z
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@darth Wow, there is no italic and no blockquote in what your server presents. groan(Probably the above wasn’t bold either.)@freemo
(DIR) Post #AR92neiaxolNcEfakq by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-30T21:33:13Z
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@ivan QOTO's markdown supports blockquote and bold. Never tried italic but should support that. And yes I do see your bold rendered.@darth
(DIR) Post #AR9wWz0DtAa52KXdoG by AGTMADCAT@infosec.exchange
2022-12-30T19:25:56Z
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@ivan I'm using Tusky connected to a Mastodon instance and I can see a difference between those paragraphs!
(DIR) Post #AR9wYpm1AoY6zZmQ8O by ivan@vucica.net
2022-12-31T07:58:29.125372Z
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@AGTMADCAT do you see other formatting? Italic, blockquote?
(DIR) Post #ARBZy7gtmhvJAjOYcq by AGTMADCAT@infosec.exchange
2022-12-31T11:58:27Z
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@ivan Just that little blue line! Everything else in that post was the same.
(DIR) Post #ARBZy8Cns5RalgK2M4 by ressu@venera.social
2022-12-31T13:46:50Z
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@ivan To be fair, I only see :ceilingparrot: in your name. Plain text, no images for me 😁
(DIR) Post #ARBZyQOoEBk7C84sZE by ressu@venera.social
2022-12-31T13:47:43Z
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Even though Friendica is pretty slow (which is understandable as a PHP webapp), it does a good job in showing your formatting.
(DIR) Post #ATN07oiyJrZKjXUM6q by clacke@libranet.de
2023-03-05T16:16:27Z
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@ivan It's coming! https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/23913 was just merged!
(DIR) Post #ATN07poKHRRi6R095s by ivan@vucica.net
2023-03-07T10:54:11.427315Z
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@clacke nice
(DIR) Post #ATN9nDQUHZO4nzeqJc by clacke@libranet.de
2023-03-07T12:33:00Z
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Checking https://mastodon.social/@ivan@vucica.net/109981624322568508 to see how bleeding edge the flagship is.Not yet.