Post AR6HyOKFAPLxRAYHsu by Adolf_E_Neumann@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AR4AjdYr9PRqLoU6vA by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2022-12-28T09:33:04Z
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One thing Twitter was useful for as a journalist was finding politicians and other people who weren't returning your calls and shaming them for tweeting yet not getting back to you.Of course other social media works for this too. I think I even chased Philippa Reinfeldt all the way to her instagram comments once (when she was a powerful Stockholm politician).
(DIR) Post #AR4Ajdy1dpa5bsGD9U by ChristiJunior@bae.st
2022-12-28T13:08:36.284759Z
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@Loukas @Loukas "One thing Twitter was useful for as a journalist was finding politicians and other people who weren't returning your calls and shaming them for tweeting yet not getting back to you."Journalists are such fucking faggots, holy shit.
(DIR) Post #AR4BRPhY2h0o6hQNGa by pietkuip@mastodon.se
2022-12-28T12:51:49Z
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@Loukas Same thing with companies. Where emails and web forms did not work, the corporate Twitter or Facebook account would give a fast response.
(DIR) Post #AR4BRQQvJzJANQebzc by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2022-12-28T13:16:31.955254Z
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@pietkuip @Loukas Reminder that journalists aren't brave muckrakers, they're nagging bitches.
(DIR) Post #AR4CHFzlNJHj3ufIsC by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T13:25:10.543746Z
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> finding politicians and other people who weren't returning your calls and shaming them for tweeting yet not getting back to youMaybe talking to a cunty reporter who just wants a quote to jam into a hit piece they already wrote is at the bottom of their priority list?Back in the days before social media, we just kept calling their office every hour until someone at the desk finally passed you along.Everyone today is entitled and spoiled. No one owes you a conversation or a quote.
(DIR) Post #AR4CjkZzFzaS1fCAW8 by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2022-12-28T13:26:36Z
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@istvan @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @pietkuip journalists are absolutely entitled to replies from politicians. That's how democracy works. A free press holds those with power to account.
(DIR) Post #AR4Cjl1zZrzLQWIXAW by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T13:31:02.389951Z
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No. You aren’t entitled to anything. You are a common civilian with no more rights than anyone else. This was hammered home in journalism school.You don’t get a FOIA answered the second you want it: you get it when they feel like doing it, and they do have to respond eventually to either deny it so you can appeal in court or redact and release.No one has to talk to you when you want them to talk to you. It’s nice if they do, but all you can do is keep asking. Public shaming is cowardly crybully tactics like doxxing.You are only owed as much attention as the guy who goes to every city council meeting to complain about his neighbor’s fence being 1 inch over the property line.Got a deadline? “Political Retard III could not be reached for comment at the time of publication.”
(DIR) Post #AR4D1PgDhQCcQ5X6ky by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2022-12-28T13:34:15.075246Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip "A free press holds those with power to account."You faggots harass and terrorize random nobodies on social media because they used gamer words or said something sensible about trannies, not to mention that you're eager tools of the Deep State and GloboHomo. Speaking truth to power is the one thing you NEVER do.
(DIR) Post #AR4D1kJayjaCQ06puK by WeebFirstGames@poa.st
2022-12-28T13:34:19.870797Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip >a free press holds those with power to account.Holds those in power to account...........in 2022............HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*deep breath*HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(DIR) Post #AR4Dosrbz2fl7ZS0oq by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T13:43:11.267072Z
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They would be speaking truth to themselves, and they can’t even do that.It’s sad looking back at the industry I spent half my life in. It all needs to burn.
(DIR) Post #AR4DvSdts68BpCAp5k by LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club
2022-12-28T13:44:19Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip
(DIR) Post #AR4F779Ji0IaarzNyq by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2022-12-28T13:57:39.806721Z
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@Loukas What makes you think "journalists," in particular, are entitled to this, as opposed to anybody else? And we all know that you think that a "journalist" is anointed role; I can't just become a "journalist" out of the blue by starting my own publication. No, only some very special publications get to anoint "journalists."You want "journalists" to be a special caste. A kind of person who's entitled to more than anybody else. To you, "democracy" isn't rule by the people and for the people, it's rule by "journalists" and for "journalists." When you speak about Our Democracy, normal people aren't necessarily included in that. Only those who the "journalists" approve of are. You think your newspapers and your TV news stations and your blogs are the books of life and of death.And we know this is how you think of "journalists" because this is how you write of "journalists" as opposed to anybody else. Twitter is a private company and can do what is wants, until "journalists" get shut up as opposed to some pleb who has to work for a living.@istvan @pietkuip @ChristiJunior
(DIR) Post #AR4F8Ods9kgH8VtP4i by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2022-12-28T13:56:59Z
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@istvan @pietkuip i don't know what country you're describing, but in many places people engaged in journalism do indeed have rights that others do not.
(DIR) Post #AR4F8OzUrLyiDa0fmS by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T13:57:53.856876Z
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'Murica.
(DIR) Post #AR4FHTap7Plb65nPzE by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T13:59:33.202555Z
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No. Normal people are included.They know what's best for them and speak on behalf of them. Kind of like politicians. Which is why they imagine themselves the extra-Constitutional 4th estate of government.
(DIR) Post #AR4FPiOlxIkpKh5VeC by dew_the_dew@nicecrew.digital
2022-12-28T13:59:49.085771Z
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there are journalists working today who have had their entire education paid for by bill gates and now work for orgs that gates basically owns.
(DIR) Post #AR4FPisCBuI2nwr0Vc by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T14:01:01.855125Z
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This is also true of Women's Studies majors, who typically go to work for UNIFEM or the Gates Foundation.
(DIR) Post #AR4Fa2gdNbJp9QMoLI by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2022-12-28T14:01:33Z
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@istvan @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @NEETzsche@iddqd.social @pietkuip "The freedom of the press, protected by the First Amendment, is critical to a democracy in which the government is accountable to the people. A free media functions as a watchdog..." https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/freedom-press
(DIR) Post #AR4Fa34NxIJkL5TmMa by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T14:02:53.509625Z
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"The ACLU believes the freedom of the press, protected by the First Amendment, is critical to a democracy in which the government is accountable to the people. A free media functions as a watchdog..."
(DIR) Post #AR4FmbqUU94TfZyBMG by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2022-12-28T14:05:09.348656Z
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@istvan Considering the contempt they show for anybody who rejects their narrative, I don't even think they really envision themselves as this benevolent force. That presentation is very thin. They really just view themselves as the ruling class.@ChristiJunior @Loukas @pietkuip
(DIR) Post #AR4FplGntyz7lemRwe by demitasse@pleroma.narrativerry.xyz
2022-12-28T14:05:44.684604Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip i can't tell if these journo fags are trolling or really this stupid
(DIR) Post #AR4G7L0AJ1KnVhNYLA by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T14:08:54.673544Z
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I’m already giving you relaxed standards.Twelve years at the edit desk. If you dumped this opinion on me as fact in your story, I’d further revise to “The ACLU said it believes…” because we can’t read the mind of a person, let alone a collective organization.You can’t even manage that. You are dropping opinion like it’s fact. Wasn’t this covered in your second-year class in copy editing?
(DIR) Post #AR4GfnFxlH92zFCKW0 by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2022-12-28T14:10:46Z
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@istvan @pietkuip isn't "The ACLU says" enough? Sounds like too much epistemology for the popular press.
(DIR) Post #AR4GfndMMHrO9o90z2 by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T14:15:09.037358Z
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I’ll probably take it, but I’d still want to see it in the context of the story. Might need you to reach out to another source for balance.
(DIR) Post #AR4KVojzmsWGVlkBc0 by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2022-12-28T14:15:48Z
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@istvan @pietkuip that's fair. It's important to have high standards for sourcing.
(DIR) Post #AR4KVp8oIcMvkjM0I4 by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T14:58:09.843279Z
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Over almost 20 years, I got to be in the student role, the reporter role, the editor role, the source role, and the subject role.The last of those sucks the hardest.Looking back, I believe the most important lesson journalism school tried to teach was how easily you can destroy a person’s life, family, career, and community with the megaphone of mass media.That is why the job is supposed to require self-discipline, temperance, a good-faith effort not to let your causes taint your coverage, and a chain of people between your keyboard and the final publication asking: are you sure this is correct and you need to say it?All that on a salary that averages less than a McDonald’s shift manager. That’s why they used to describe journalism as a calling.Much of the hatred of journalism and journalists comes from completely abdicating this responsibility and wielding the position like weighted boxing gloves against private citizens.A kid who makes a Trump meme that gets shared a lot is not a public figure. Sticking a camera in high schoolers’ faces in a public space and then doxxing and deriding them does not make them public figures. A private person making a random TikTok account that makes you look bad is not a public figure.They did nothing to thrust themselves into the spotlight, which has always been one of the tests for invasion of privacy: where media go to lose lawsuits.I have to destroy him because he is a racist. I have to destroy him because he has different opinions about transgenders. I have destroy him because I can’t change his mind, and there is no place for his thinking in the future.Irrespective of whether that is your internal monologue, that’s what people hear. And reporters who fail to police their own paint the entire profession in a negative light: it isn’t just a police problem.No one will trust journalists or support them when they strip away a private figure’s anonymity, put that information in the hands of people who want to hurt them, and then step back and say “Nuh uh. I didn’t cause that.”Until everyone stands up and starts calling out this behavior and driving the reporters who do it out of the industry, you should not be surprised so many people react so negatively when they see someone is working as a journalist.Democracy predates the printed word. It also predates the time when journalism became a career. It even predates when mass media was merely a rich man with strong opinions, a printing press, a stack of blank media, and free time.Journalism is not essential to democracy because journalism is not its essence. Speech is. One form of speech should not get to squash and silence another.If there is any threat to our democracy, it’s the decay of society and death of community. And you can’t paper over that with newsprint.
(DIR) Post #AR4MhY5ZiypKFXYk2i by Loukas@mastodon.nu
2022-12-28T15:03:36Z
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@istvan @pietkuip I think I agree with most of that, and what I like best about journalism is it's something anyone can do - but as you say, to do it well requires structures and discipline. Sweden has far tighter restrictions about invading people's private lives, and also a healthier pay structure to make journalism more like a normal job, and I think those two differences are significant, although not enough.
(DIR) Post #AR4MhYeJdocFzHoUC0 by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T15:22:40.950695Z
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Privacy invasion is the one area that American media always loses.The “actual malice” standard for libel is almost impossible to win and is a golden shield for media. The majority of our media law courses (mandatory, once upon a time, in journalism school) focused specifically on invasion of privacy and all the avenues by which press can be responsible for damages after publishing true information.Unfortunately, the US legal system is such that fighting that battle is too expensive for most people. It can be difficult to find a lawyer – even if you have a winning lawsuit – because most lawyers don’t want to have their practice destroyed by the same media for representing a “Nazi”.The result has been the US media getting away with causing severe damage to private individuals’ lives and livelihoods, and the few people who have managed to mount a case did not receive damage payments anywhere near high enough to act as a deterrent.America has reached a point where its national media budget is more or less dictated by the government intelligence agencies, and the local outrage stories come from reporters with an ideological ax to grind and who use their megaphones to destroy private citizens with impunity.Most foreign reporters assume American media does its job and is basically reliable, and that is why people around the world have an incredibly skewed understanding of what is happening here.
(DIR) Post #AR4NFgPbHo8RuPCc1w by eee@poa.st
2022-12-28T15:28:53.712559Z
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@istvan @Loukas @pietkuip the american media is doing its job, agitation and propaganda
(DIR) Post #AR4NYGFqlKpmHlV5lo by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-12-28T15:31:55.694376Z
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@Loukas So you think you're entitled to harass people. What a giant faggot you are. If this were done in the physical world you'd get punched in the face and deserve it
(DIR) Post #AR4NnTsQOj0KsTniJk by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-12-28T15:34:43.116841Z
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@ChristiJunior They're describing some form of racketeering, not journalism. They're saying the quiet part out loud@Loukas @pietkuip
(DIR) Post #AR4Nwrid7gz3Qdh6qu by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-12-28T15:36:23.913920Z
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@Loukas Amazing, every word you just said was a lie. You really are a journalist!@istvan @pietkuip @ChristiJunior
(DIR) Post #AR4OoZ54dPyDGGnXW4 by CapitalB@noagendasocial.com
2022-12-28T15:46:23Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip No. We have consultation, petition and initiatives for that. And in general voting events and signature collecting events.https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernehmlassung
(DIR) Post #AR4OuFPofBiM0XD4iW by CapitalB@noagendasocial.com
2022-12-28T15:47:25Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip No. We have consultation, petition and initiatives for that. And in general voting events and signature collecting events and public press points. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernehmlassung
(DIR) Post #AR4Pt8zTAKGxkHvLtI by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T15:58:24.348557Z
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When the blue collar reporters die of liver failure and the autistic retards like me leave the desk, all you are left with are CIA assets, spouses of political actors, and people fucking political actors on the side.All according to keikaku.
(DIR) Post #AR4XkgidC5khNaWjLM by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T17:26:31.135096Z
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Over the Mermaid’s Lagoon, across the Home Underground and somewhere over next to Tinkerbell’s Apartment in a time that never was.
(DIR) Post #AR4Y6RpLF3fjZ32dai by ophidian@beefyboys.win
2022-12-28T17:28:27.418849Z
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@istvan @Loukas @pietkuip a time that never was and will never be.
(DIR) Post #AR4Y6SDRnQxEloJtAG by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T17:30:27.778028Z
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Whenever a child says I don't believe in fairies there's a little fairy somewhere that falls right down dead. :sonichu-angry:
(DIR) Post #AR4ae3touXbd6kICGW by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2022-12-28T17:58:58.172639Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip The lying kike organization that's dropped any pretense of caring about free speech in favor of celebrating child mutilation isn't the kind of endorsement I'd want.
(DIR) Post #AR4b6gZeiF9NADVelc by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2022-12-28T18:04:08.552863Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip Journalists are not people and are entitled to nothing, certainly not the time of day from anyone else. The only time you ever harass a politician is on the rare offchance a Republican is doing something that's not cartoonishly evil. What an auto-fellating faggot.
(DIR) Post #AR4cZqmVwNktAozjVI by nolasco@iddqd.social
2022-12-28T18:13:17.141681Z
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The American press is not a free press though. You are subservient to larger interests just to be able to afford payroll since nobody is reading your newspapers. The “free press” is a joke, just another franchise like McDonald’s or Starbucks.
(DIR) Post #AR4cZrAGW4koMU6hWa by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T18:20:35.116771Z
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This is mostly correct.In earlier times, news was covered by advertising revenue. You could make sure negative stories about your business didn't make it into the news budget by buying a full-page ad or two.When revenues collapsed and the newspaper death watch began in the mid-00s, most newspapers were consolidated into media management groups and became much more dependent on wire copy.As in most countries, the wire services are the primary targets of intelligence agency control because it allows them to control which facts are disseminated or withheld to much of the public.China employed a similar strategy after Xi Jinping's rise to power, causing financial damage to the media institutions to force them onto government wire and prevent them from circumventing the regional Propaganda Bureaus.
(DIR) Post #AR4cdTppCJ5vAFH3Oy by Seigesthetic@poa.st
2022-12-28T18:21:16.545416Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip Then you should understand we don't want you faggots in Muslim lands, yes?
(DIR) Post #AR4df44K4AxVmkNIHo by nolasco@iddqd.social
2022-12-28T18:29:25.609775Z
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Media has always had a hand in propaganda since it's inception. It is the basis behind it's existence.
(DIR) Post #AR4df4VcQgnF9P95pg by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T18:32:44.181937Z
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Propaganda and information are the exact same thing and were used interchangeably until "propaganda" became "information from people we don't like" and eventually "bad information."This has been similar to the evolutionary path of "discredited," which moved through "possible facts from people I hate" to "bad information."I'll accept your statement under that historical definition.
(DIR) Post #AR4dsibYfKDrGoQmXo by DocScranton@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T18:35:14.083799Z
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been reading dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment and it had a fun little aside about “authors” who would steal shit, cheat people, lie with impunity, etc. etc. and when confronted would threaten to “write an article” about whoever stood in their way, and it was lol
(DIR) Post #AR4ejCViin1T50j4DI by nolasco@iddqd.social
2022-12-28T18:37:31.311783Z
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I agree, the Catholic church used to have a department of propaganda back in the 1800's to proselytize the world before the negative connotation implying "ideological manipulation" appeared. All they were doing was spreading what they viewed as the Truth with a capital T.I don't care that news journos are biased, I've gotten used to them being so and largely ignore them for the most part unless I want to corroborate another propaganda piece I read somewhere else. It's just the statement calling themselves "free" that I have an issue with.
(DIR) Post #AR4ejCwJ7wI2PTAIee by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-28T18:44:41.494297Z
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The cat believes its free until the food quits magically appearing in its bowl and it can't get out of the house.
(DIR) Post #AR4jqEB7Q1nK3AGA2S by kakkerel@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T19:42:01.077414Z
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@ChristiJunior @Loukas @istvan @pietkuip This.
(DIR) Post #AR4mGtktetfkR7q8A4 by WhiteTemplar@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2022-12-28T20:09:13.361972Z
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@Leyonhjelm @istvan @ChristiJunior @Loukas @pietkuip
(DIR) Post #AR5iBVWI8Ji3AH8sWO by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-29T06:49:45Z
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@istvan @Loukas @pietkuip I took J-School ethics. One day we had a philosophy prof, who proposed utilitarianism as a journalistic guiding principle. He asked, if you're reporting on someone accused of a crime, what's the ethical risks? And I had the correct answer: "as they are only accused, if you treat them as guilty, it will wrongly harm their life if they are innocent."The rest of the room made "huh?" noises.That moment I was certain I had made the right decision leaving the major.
(DIR) Post #AR5iKlP2Rwy720ABuK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-12-28T20:16:06.773199Z
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You guys have spent the last few decades sucking the establishment's dick and only ever "holding to account" officials they disapprove of. And now you expect people to respect your "entitlement"? Lmao.If I were an elected official I'd give comment to student newspapers and podunk blogs before I'd bother with any mainstream publication.
(DIR) Post #AR6AZ03nY2gzGFnyxU by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-12-29T12:16:07.716660Z
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Wish I got out sooner. My life is so much happier even though I lost so much.
(DIR) Post #AR6HEJ5wHZKbtSt1RA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-12-28T20:10:33.192464Z
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I agree that propagandists working for the establishment are often permitted favours.
(DIR) Post #AR6HyOKFAPLxRAYHsu by Adolf_E_Neumann@poa.st
2022-12-29T13:39:10.348195Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip Journalists really managed to convince themselves that you are some sort of special privileged class.
(DIR) Post #AR7PQ5UFhEOmJhlvHc by SeanutArbuckle2@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T14:19:36.390937Z
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you're not a journalist you're a blogger and a substandard one at that. What you write is popcorn, no one will ever read something you wrote and go "WOW THIS IS IMPORTANT! I NEED TO KNOW THIS!!!"
(DIR) Post #AR7PZer7Z62ecM23l2 by Remi@poa.st
2022-12-30T02:39:03.080130Z
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@Loukas @istvan @pietkuip You people threatened to dox a kid who posted a wrestling gif.