Post AR2kpxP1VBCPevHK5o by ruegenwalter@masto.ai
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(DIR) Post #AR26eyUN7uL1fyzM92 by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-27T13:13:32Z
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There are at least two good reasons to keep your #Twitter account in place: - Protect your handle from being taken over by impersonators- (if you are in EU) Keep active users count in EU above 45 mio. users, so that EU designation as Very Large Online Platform applies and #DSA (Digital Service Act) regulation eventually kicks in for Twitter. https://www.ianbrown.tech/2022/12/26/twitter-meets-key-hurdle-for-eu-regulation/
(DIR) Post #AR2LEu8WBXDlxbnFwG by mattias@toot.bike
2022-12-27T15:56:50Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I am currently just using my Twitter account for retweeting weird stuff and binge liking... So this behaviour is justified now be qualified as "active user".
(DIR) Post #AR2R4f4nvEAa59YUZk by LinqLover@norden.social
2022-12-27T17:02:16Z
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@FroehlichMarcel- keep your existing valuable content available for others. At large, they make up important contemporary history documentation, not to mention interesting discussions, inspiring art and ideas which will still be worth to read many years in the future.
(DIR) Post #AR2iS9nzXO5DGcTrjE by marqle@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-27T20:17:00Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I understand the first.But isn't the second a variation of the argument to stay on Twitter and fight for the good guys?At the end of the day someone as arrogant and pig-headed as #Musk is just as likely to block EU users altogether rather than pay any fines.
(DIR) Post #AR2ib9btdFxhGh75LU by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-27T20:18:38Z
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@marqle I don‘t think so. I have no intention to interact there.
(DIR) Post #AR2kpxP1VBCPevHK5o by ruegenwalter@masto.ai
2022-12-27T20:43:42Z
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@FroehlichMarcel seriously 😅 those reasons are not good. Just leave… I know its maybe hard and procrastination hits, but its bullshit to stay there. And you know it. Just enjoy the ad-free experience on mastodon :)
(DIR) Post #AR2l8667ubXTq65cKO by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-27T20:47:00Z
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@ruegenwalter I do enjoy it.
(DIR) Post #AR2mCxlwOSsBQ6X2TQ by hllizi@hespere.de
2022-12-27T20:59:03Z
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@FroehlichMarcel not much worried about #1, but #2 convinced me to reactivate my account.
(DIR) Post #AR2rMxgy2vTXq0nDCi by MarioERoc@mastodon.world
2022-12-27T21:56:54Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I hate seeing good, decent people decent people eroding their values when faced with bully, then justifying it. I just can’t understand how anyone remains on a website with a guy who is clearly has violently malicious intent. It’s bananas.
(DIR) Post #AR2sAC0fbMgGQvU2dc by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-27T22:05:48Z
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@MarioERoc Am not interacting there any more. No money to be made from me not deleting my account. No support whatsoever for this guy. Yet, it is my most rational decision to handle it that way. I respect others coming to different conclusions.
(DIR) Post #AR2tKTnWQBI0S3npOy by MarioERoc@mastodon.world
2022-12-27T22:18:52Z
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@FroehlichMarcel thanks for your input, most of my frustration is directed at government and news agencies that continue to participate on that platform.
(DIR) Post #AR2ti4h3PUP9Xf1ow4 by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-27T22:23:09Z
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@MarioERoc I don’t understand why publishers don’t take the opportunity to set up instances for their staff and eventually for their subscribers. This move could give them a lot of control back that they lost during the last decade.German gov institutions luckily already moved to their own servers.
(DIR) Post #AR2w6uW8a6mx84tP5U by IT_Duke@muenster.im
2022-12-27T22:50:01Z
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@FroehlichMarcel AND… an inactive account which does not follow anybody is more expensive than an deleted account! 🙃
(DIR) Post #AR2zUPcHQCXS6WfDUG by fnord@sigmoid.social
2022-12-27T23:27:54Z
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I agree that it is important to keep your #Twitter account in place for the reasons you mentioned. It's also important to remember that using social media responsibly is key to staying safe online. #BeCyberSafe
(DIR) Post #AR3mIbtyoXauUBwdoe by RichardShaw@mastodon.scot
2022-12-28T08:34:48Z
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@FroehlichMarcel If my former twitter handle is taken over, it will almost certainly be through an automated process. That will undermine Twitter's credibility and that's twitter's problem not mine. Plus, sadly, I am no longer a member of the EU.
(DIR) Post #AR3ttBIBPVEGLqeQXw by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T09:59:52Z
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Here is a brief overview of the obligations that companies will eventually have to fulfil under the DSA, once they make it onto the official list of Very Large Online Platforms (VLOP) - enforceable four months after designation.The precise methodology for calculating the number of average monthly active users is not clear, yet.https://www.allenovery.com/en-gb/global/news-and-insights/digital-services-act/layer-four-very-large-online-platforms
(DIR) Post #AR3uDntbaoWprzzMJ6 by maxganz@data-folks.masto.host
2022-12-28T10:03:34Z
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@FroehlichMarcel Sociology is the study of methods.Methodology is the study of methods."I will study English society" is different to "I will study English sociology".When people write methodology, they mean method.
(DIR) Post #AR3uEaUSv4XAaDbTQO by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T10:03:44Z
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@marqle It is about enforcing stronger accountability for what at happens there. Individual user cannot do that, but regulators can.
(DIR) Post #AR3uWPHZKTn12D4HEe by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T10:06:57Z
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@maxganz I follow the wording that Allen Overy chose - see link.
(DIR) Post #AR3uazmZZ5KzObl2zQ by maxganz@data-folks.masto.host
2022-12-28T10:07:47Z
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@FroehlichMarcel Yes. Everyone gets it wrong.
(DIR) Post #AR3ub2CAat08sZkWAK by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T10:07:47Z
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@marqle It is about enforcing stronger accountability for what happens there. Individual user cannot do that, but regulators can.
(DIR) Post #AR4DhxivW3oyAP5WDo by marqle@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-28T13:26:38Z
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@FroehlichMarcelWell they can as long as #Musk doesn't block European users and claim he's no longer doing business there.It wouldn't be the first time he's committed commercial suicide to save his pride.
(DIR) Post #AR4Dhy860TxDQSrcS8 by marqle@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-28T13:29:57Z
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@FroehlichMarcelI honestly think #twitter is moribund now. It'll be slow, but while #Musk owns it, it will slowly die.And I say that with some detachment. I haven't used #twitter for months, not since last winter.
(DIR) Post #AR4DhyV8coNyZve1Mu by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T13:41:56Z
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@marqle He cannot do whatever he wants, as there are huge investments by 3rd parties, who will take care that their money isn't wasted purely for his ego.
(DIR) Post #AR4IwSbS0HCNlLK8Ho by marqle@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-28T14:40:34Z
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@FroehlichMarcelWhat percentage does he control? I've forgotten now. I'll try to find that. That's an interesting point.
(DIR) Post #AR4JdRd1VEx9BxYWES by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T14:48:21Z
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@marqle No matter how much - the question is whether making those investors angry is an option to seriously consider.
(DIR) Post #AR4Kkm5JwdNucLqo3E by marqle@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-28T15:00:52Z
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@FroehlichMarcelNo, I was wondering if he can declare bankrupt without anyone else's approval, except the bankruptcy court of course.I'm cynical enough to consider that was always his plan, to destroy twitter, because it was an obstacle to the American Right.In my compiracy theory, a few very rich Right Wingers have agreed to cover his losses to get the job done.Okay, I'm crazy, so far out of the box I've left the room, but it's not actually inconceivable.
(DIR) Post #AR4LfeDjr9CojWuJhg by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T15:11:10Z
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@marqle Setting up a platform like Twitter is not rocket science. As long as there is demand, some platform or protocol will emerge to cover that need.Challenges are elsewhere - esp. moderation, but Twitter has no silver bullet for that either.
(DIR) Post #AR4QaSZoDjikwWZmnw by AdamKorengold@mastodon.social
2022-12-27T20:05:34Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I respect this, but after Musks’s call for violence against Dr. Fauci -someone whom I deeply respect and publicly support-I could no longer justify being on the platform so I deleted my account.I haven’t missed it one iota. Given that the #fediverse neither sells advertising nor uses acronyms, the environment here is non commercial and free of rage.
(DIR) Post #AR4QaTHlaIsn8r8tJw by AdamKorengold@mastodon.social
2022-12-27T20:14:39Z
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@FroehlichMarcel *advertising*There are plenty of acronyms here!!
(DIR) Post #AR4QaTeoCdJYIJvIEi by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T16:06:14Z
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@AdamKorengold It is not about which one is better - for obvious reasons we both opted for the Fediverse.Keeping the old account in place is a tactical move as I tried to explain. When regulation kicks in, the effect is much stronger compared to the signal by a few individuals expressing their disagreement by deleting their accounts.
(DIR) Post #AR4RWp8eUfLPiIhhQ0 by AdamKorengold@mastodon.social
2022-12-28T16:16:47Z
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@FroehlichMarcel Thanks for clarifying-I agree. I would note that the regulatory environment is much stronger in the EU than in the US; in the US, it is much more driven by corporate actors and legislators 1) are averse to regulating generally and 2) do not understand the issues presented by technology-so we can’t wait for a policy solution.
(DIR) Post #AR4RzURYW5KNvWDO5o by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T16:21:59Z
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@AdamKorengold Twitter will have to abide to EU regulation if they want to operate in the EU at all (no alternative really, unless they give up being a global platform) - it doesn't matter what the US stance on regulation is. The potential fines are convincing.
(DIR) Post #AR4SDXoiloOIRakgcq by AdamKorengold@mastodon.social
2022-12-28T16:24:29Z
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@FroehlichMarcel that *is* true, but since Elon fired his EU office it’s hard to see that going well!
(DIR) Post #AR4SX2sPW2i0H8mCjA by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T16:28:03Z
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@AdamKorengold Beginning of 2023, the EU regulator will all tell us which platforms are categorized as VLOP under the newly established DSA, then we'll see. I can wait for a few more weeks. I don't worry about non-compliance.
(DIR) Post #AR4bDc4fqBrlEeJzAu by marqle@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-28T18:05:21Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I wonder if we'll ever have a Twitter again? It was moment in time that grew organically. A new version would be made in a mould.It would never again have the educators, the thinkers, the rebels join. It would never again be able to avoid picking a side and that's the big one.That's the reason I think it was a one-off, never to be repeated. And we shouldn't really try to.
(DIR) Post #AR4bHtZgiX8IfZrzo8 by marqle@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-28T18:06:09Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I wonder if we'll ever have a Twitter again? It was moment in time that grew organically. A new version would be made in a mould.It would never again have the educators, the thinkers, the rebels join. It would never again be able to avoid picking a side and that's the big one.That's the reason I think it was a one-off, never to be repeated. And we shouldn't really try.
(DIR) Post #AR4h80vF8xMmHrcisy by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T19:11:35Z
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@marqle I also think that ship has sailed, but nonetheless it will noodle on for a long time. A good dose of oversight might be useful then to avoid another 4chan moment.
(DIR) Post #AR4jMjzCas640qcpfs by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T19:36:40Z
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@mattias I guess having a non-deactivated account should be enough. We’ll know the details, soon.
(DIR) Post #AR4kGjl4cznTWSiZge by mattias@toot.bike
2022-12-28T19:46:44Z
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@FroehlichMarcel We'll see some changes in the ToS in the next months and maybe in the metrics for the EU where Twitter might argue that an account without any interaction for two months can be considered inactive but cannot be deleted by Twitter. Funny times ahead.
(DIR) Post #AR4kOU3Qtlgr8P00wa by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T19:48:11Z
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@mattias the metrics about what is active is set by the regulator not by the platform 😂
(DIR) Post #AR4kq9trQReOjdibGS by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-28T19:53:12Z
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@mattias the metrics about what is active is set by the regulator not by the platform 😺
(DIR) Post #AR6cI7SDbOATzDxzEG by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-29T17:26:47Z
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@maxganz your first sentence is nonsense 🤓
(DIR) Post #AR6cXiiHM8abt3uy12 by maxganz@data-folks.masto.host
2022-12-29T17:29:37Z
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@FroehlichMarcel lols!!Thankyou :-)I will fix it now.For those who read this later, I originally wrote "Sociology is the study of methods" =-)
(DIR) Post #AR756XGehUcfbOoOCe by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-29T22:49:39Z
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https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/24/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-eu-dsa-vlop-warning/
(DIR) Post #AR75rAyvNQoc5sl44m by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-29T22:58:06Z
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https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/24/elon-musk-twitter-layoffs-eu-dsa-vlop-warning/‚In what looks like a direct shot across Twitter’s bows, vis-a-vis its DSA risk, and the clearest signal yet that the Commission will designate Twitter a very large online platform (VLOP) & oversee its compliance in Brussels: “For those platforms that the Commission will designate as very large online platforms, the risk management obligations also include a strong component on the appropriateness of the resources allocated to managing societal risks in the Union.”‘
(DIR) Post #AR7xBZWZ8IlFZd6W5g by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2022-12-30T08:55:38Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I do both - despite calling it archived.https://twitter.com/k3vk4/status/1603563834781978624
(DIR) Post #AR80OVUviK6EiHCMvg by cathyjane@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-30T09:31:35Z
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@FroehlichMarcel I’m not in the EU and can’t imagine anyone would want to steal my handle, but I’m almost tempted back to follow Greta Thunberg again!
(DIR) Post #AR836doWM9Wr9eXCgC by madelainetaylor@mastodon.scot
2022-12-30T10:01:58Z
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@FroehlichMarcel or… and hear me out… run away from the burning, nuclear dosed spider infected, full of explosives, building. That way you don’t need to care if its regulated cos its gonna explode all over the place and it wont matter if someone uses maddy354 (like i’d use that, lol) cos it’ll die out… and good riddance to it!
(DIR) Post #AR83LDjTbmdQbn7wK8 by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T10:04:37Z
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@madelainetaylor Wishes and expectations are not always the same.MySpace.com is still around, think about it.
(DIR) Post #AR83gKPtx3lHQ92I2y by madelainetaylor@mastodon.scot
2022-12-30T10:08:26Z
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@FroehlichMarcel i dont remember myspace, and couldn’t care that its still around as no one of note uses it. Why actively keep something ran by a fascist moron alive just to… keep it alive… when we can all wave goodbye and watch it sink, to myspace levels of obscurity and derision?
(DIR) Post #AR846RhbUEu3Xslmue by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T10:13:09Z
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@madelainetaylor I don't keep it alive by not deleting my account. Sorry, I guess this is where we just disagree.It will stay one way or the other and sites like 4chan and what originated from there should be an obvious warning that tougher oversight is required.
(DIR) Post #AR84JrVeqZhvLlZzns by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T10:15:35Z
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@madelainetaylor As you are in UK, my point why not deleting it could be valuable doesn't apply to you anyway.
(DIR) Post #AR8ArwLZy2NVvLUx2O by madelainetaylor@mastodon.scot
2022-12-30T11:28:57Z
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@FroehlichMarcel i guess we do just have to agree to disagree… when i see groups owned by and full of right wing, violent, misogynist, toxic people I don’t join the group (or keep my membership) I stay away… like i did with 4chan et al. If you keep your foot dangled in a sewer all you get is a foot covered in excrement…
(DIR) Post #AR8B17dfM1w5YDKvj6 by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T11:30:38Z
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@madelainetaylor Let's agree to disagree, I never was on 4chan either.
(DIR) Post #AR8EMKvxQ11ujDhRLc by MrLee@aus.social
2022-12-30T12:08:02Z
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@FroehlichMarcel By all means, keep your account, but link to Mastodon toots and reduce activity.
(DIR) Post #AR8EMROtNLjwmhHdHU by Gabrielle@m.servperso.net
2022-12-30T12:08:03Z
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@FroehlichMarcel Thanks a lot for this information.While I do not care about my handle, the point about the active users count is very important.For references about the #DSA (in full : #DigitalServicesAct ) itself:https://chaos.social/@algorithmwatch/109517223172413870https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission/109437986950114434and in a nutshell :https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission/109360205679189512
(DIR) Post #AR8EjhFAdYm6a7pEKO by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T12:12:18Z
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@MrLee Yes and yes. I only interact there on rare occasions, when no other channel is available.Linking to toots is a nice troll :)
(DIR) Post #AR8OYcyZACG7hYQ412 by lrhodes@merveilles.town
2022-12-30T14:02:16Z
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@FroehlichMarcel A few potential issues:1. "Active users" entails being active, at which point you're generating revenue for Twitter.2. Even if inactive accounts counted, Musk could just purge them — which I think he's ultimately likely to do, even if only to dodge this law.3. He could also reinstate Twitter's old rule about releasing inactive handles, so squatting to protect yours may ultimately prove useless.4. Staying on makes you vulnerable to lock-in: https://merveilles.town/@lrhodes/109527045739249025
(DIR) Post #AR8TJsaPLG2VXjuFs0 by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T14:55:43Z
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@lrhodes ad 1. What an active user is will be defined by the regulator, soon. No need to speculate about the def. now. And yes, my account is activated, but I see no revenue being generated from that fact.ad 2. There is already contracts, laws and regulation that matter. So: No, he cannot do just anything like unilaterally deleting accounts without any good reason.ad 3. I am not a lawyer, but yes, I guess he could do that after establishing new rules accordingly.
(DIR) Post #AR8U3pwZUzaufVBgSO by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T15:04:00Z
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@lrhodes ad 4. I want my content to stay in place from an archival perspective.I am not adding new content really. Twitter cannot do anything about people posting stuff (eg links to Mastodon profiles or toots) unless they are illegal. There is thishttps://www.eff.org/fr/issues/cda230Twitter cannot afford to be classified as anything else than a social network for reasons of liability risk for all the content otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AR8UCi42AGMcpuuPRo by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T15:05:38Z
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@lrhodes ad 4. I want my content to stay in place from an archival perspective.I am not adding new content really. Twitter cannot do anything about people posting stuff (eg links to Mastodon profiles or toots) unless it is illegal. There is thishttps://www.eff.org/fr/issues/cda230Twitter cannot afford to be classified as anything else than a social network for reasons of liability risk for all the content otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AR8UfD7gHYCZGvClxA by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T15:10:46Z
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@lrhodes If I wanted to delete sth. I would primarily want it to be deleted in a way that it is not accessible for Twitter any more. You cannot do this via API, you can only enforce it by making use of legal power. As a EU citizen I could request Twitter (in writing) to really delete my stuff, but I know that it would likely lead to a long and annoying legal battle that I am currently not interested in.
(DIR) Post #AR8UnEsfd8672a0ohE by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T15:12:12Z
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@lrhodes If I wanted to delete sth. I would primarily want it to be deleted in a way that it is not accessible for Twitter any more. You cannot do this via API, you can only enforce it by making use of legal power. As a EU citizen I could request Twitter (in writing with reference to Article 17 of GDPR) to really delete my stuff, but I know that it would likely lead to a long and annoying legal battle that I am currently not interested in.
(DIR) Post #AR8XR53tkumi4zODTs by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T15:41:50Z
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Interesting for the question of active users aka active recipients is recital 77 of the DSA.https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32022R2065&qid=1666857835014
(DIR) Post #AR8iS8Z1JtiKj4eY0O by lrhodes@merveilles.town
2022-12-30T17:45:14Z
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@FroehlichMarcel A lot of this presumes that Musk feels constrained by the law, whereas most of the evidence suggests that he'd almost always rather ask forgiveness than permission. My advice for anyone still maintaining a Twitter account is to approach it as you would an infosec vulnerability.
(DIR) Post #AR8ilVPeampp5oVWe8 by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2022-12-30T17:48:47Z
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@lrhodes He does feel constrained but tries hard to avoid the impression, see e.g. the course of events around the topic “links to Mastodon profiles are forbidden”.
(DIR) Post #ARkC7CAfQaleHOxKi0 by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-17T19:41:58Z
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https://eupolicy.social/@1br0wn/109703506643235091
(DIR) Post #ARkCAS28uLyQLSWNSy by FroehlichMarcel@sigmoid.social
2023-01-17T19:42:33Z
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@1br0wn https://eupolicy.social/@1br0wn/109703506643235091