Post AR26HCWtGwWmGwpYQa by kkarhan@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #A5p2A6JiTGwwGjPGsa by eloquence@social.coop
2021-04-02T02:20:04Z
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When you're talking about Linux, it's okay to say that it's "open source".It's okay to say that it's "free software".It's okay to call it "GNU/Linux", "Linux", or to mess up its name.It's okay to refer to it as "the one with the friendly penguin".Part of RMS' legacy has been an incessant obsession with terminology and pedantry, overshadowing far more important shared objectives which are fundamentally emancipatory in nature.Pedantry is not activism; it is alienating, not emancipatory.
(DIR) Post #A5pQvh06IWamYFSRqi by jordan31@theres.life
2021-04-02T03:57:45Z
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@eloquence why be focused on activism, why not just making cool software that's Foss?
(DIR) Post #A5pQvhOYpa9rm6tyyW by JordiGH@mathstodon.xyz
2021-04-02T04:18:11Z
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@jordan31 @eloquence To an extent, you're right kind of right. Deeds, not words. If you want more free software, just build it.On the other hand, after you've done the deed, I think you should also talk about it so people know you had a particular political motive with that deed.I wish the FSF had done more deeds. It should be the FSF Summer of Code, not GSoC. It should be FSFHub, not Github; FSF-OS not Android.Under RMS's leadership, the FSF just has had many words and few deeds.
(DIR) Post #A5pQvhktUY1StNLomm by jordan31@theres.life
2021-04-02T04:23:18Z
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@JordiGH @eloquence see I never understood why it must have political stigma attached to it. Can't some just produce Foss software because they want others to see the code, help maintain, and feel like their giving back to a cool group of like minded people?I can care less about peoples political motivation for a software, I'd rather know their road map. I do agree about the FSF needing to push more deeds. They could help promote other programs or host their own.
(DIR) Post #A5pQvi8e4F1O52Smo4 by JordiGH@mathstodon.xyz
2021-04-02T04:25:22Z
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@jordan31 Politics aren't a stigma. Everything is politics.Politics are like accents: if you think someone doesn't have them, that's just because they have the same as yours.
(DIR) Post #A5pQviW2fFjjFbPTH6 by jordan31@theres.life
2021-04-02T04:30:18Z
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@JordiGH no, not everything is political. I tend to steer away from software that is made "political" by the dev/owner. I could care less how you vote or your beliefs, I'm just needing an RSS reader. Again, I'm not downloading a program to support someone else's political crap, I'm just in need of a open source version of xyz program.
(DIR) Post #A5pQvivv72R8XrW8bw by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-04-02T07:16:47Z
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@jordan31 @JordiGH > not everything is politicalWhat is not political, again ? Tell me, I'm curious.
(DIR) Post #A5pRCR6idqeEBMXOHA by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-04-02T07:19:50Z
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@eloquence I do not agree. Choice of words is always a good topic.You just don't have to be an ass about it.Dismissing everything RMS touched and stood for because "he was a bad person" is just idiotic.
(DIR) Post #A5pRHgYcct4pY15lOC by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-04-02T07:20:47Z
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@eloquence I do not agree. Choice of words is always a good topic.You just don't have to be an ass about it.
(DIR) Post #A5pU8PSR8JaRlnT2Se by eloquence@social.coop
2021-04-02T07:52:42Z
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@otyugh I certainly agree that not being an ass about things is always a good start. ;-) That's primarily what I mean with "pedantry" -- the tendency to immediately "correct", rather than seek (or build) common ground.
(DIR) Post #A5pZupIWrXaLaBjuCm by seachaint@hackers.town
2021-04-02T07:45:57Z
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@eloquence I agree with the general idea here, but WRT "Open Source" I don't. That branding was deliberately invented to be confused and conflated with Software Freedom, so as to deflate the emancipatory movement into a sort of voluntaryist, CV-enriching, capitalism-compatible unprotected commons. To push back on that in favour of Free/Libre, Emancipatory Software is pretty important.Of course, RMS did a poor job of that by choosing "Free" as the keyword and sticking to it with characteristic obnoxiousness even as it continued to confuse people.
(DIR) Post #A5pdmYq6ZQmG2Ol5Xc by fluff@tiny-pillowfort.floating-in.space
2021-04-02T09:39:01.103104Z
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@eloquence from now on I'll always refer to it as "the one with the friend-shaped penguin"
(DIR) Post #A5pdvxzqPFyafQnbA8 by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-04-02T09:42:32.813094Z
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@eloquence but aren't some of the greatest conflicts of our time around semantics of exactly this sort? pronouns for transgender rights, penning as homophobia the persecution of gays, or discrimination as nazi.You'd think that, with the tremendous success these rhetorical tools have seen, we should embrace them rather than push them away.
(DIR) Post #A5pkOFP5sb06UKTgTw by JordiGH@mathstodon.xyz
2021-04-02T04:32:00Z
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@jordan31 That's a political stance. You're against software that cares about software freedom. You have a position. You don't want to be told that software should be free. You think that shouldn't be said. Those are your politics: be quiet, you don't want to hear it.
(DIR) Post #A5pkOFnYPeZBiBvDbk by Moon@shitposter.club
2021-04-02T10:54:52.575874Z
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@JordiGH @jordan31 you're starting to sound like RMS
(DIR) Post #A5ptlbjvtqNs0hRH7o by alexl@mstdn.io
2021-04-02T12:39:55Z
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@eloquence I strongly disagree: countless examples from everyday life down to the more technical disciplines show that terminology packs and holds meanings over time that might otherwise be lost. It is the reason why we still study Greek and Latin in Italian high schools, because the etymology is a fundamental part to understand the terminology.#RMS seems pedantic, it is true, but only because the mass is lazy when it comes to thinking and ends up using the terms haphazardly.
(DIR) Post #A5pxjIh88cKABEHd7w by jordan31@theres.life
2021-04-02T13:24:19Z
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@otyugh @JordiGH my morning piss for one example.
(DIR) Post #A5qW1H3GNlDwjqNURM by epic@gleasonator.com
2021-04-02T19:48:34.848503Z
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@eloquence It’s marketing, and without it why wouldn’t Linux be BSD. Bill Gates’ big dream was that everyone in the world should have email. Then he marketed it.
(DIR) Post #AR251eOpmhFo7e5ELw by LuigiDev@mastodon.lol
2022-12-27T12:55:11Z
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@otyugh @eloquence even if terminology may be important, GNU/Linux offers not so many relevant info for the end user anyway. It's only useful for programmers (and mid/low level ones) who wants to know the ABI is GNU's one. For end users the name of the distro itself conveys more info. Or the package manager used. Or the DE...
(DIR) Post #AR26HCWtGwWmGwpYQa by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2022-12-27T11:50:00Z
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@eloquence #RMS needs to be outcast and canceled - period.He's an unredeemable asshole!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2SKenHRhMg
(DIR) Post #AR26HD39L0KdszvJi4 by post@qoto.org
2022-12-27T13:09:14Z
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@kkarhan @eloquence Cancel Culture is a new form of authoritarianism.
(DIR) Post #AR27E0U7hIhg0BZpJ2 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2022-12-27T13:19:48Z
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@LuigiDev @eloquence Functionally speaking I agree. Like, as a dev, open source isn't much different to libre, so why the big fuss ?But they do not always encompass the same communities.I think I wouldn't do much free work for "open source" that I can do because "libre software" is about more than juste publicly available code.
(DIR) Post #AR294kXHpGFRq5lnuK by LuigiDev@mastodon.lol
2022-12-27T13:40:34Z
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@otyugh @eloquence as a philosophy/marketing term. I sincerely prefer Linux rather than GNU/Linux given the reputation problems GNU and more specifically Stallman have gone through
(DIR) Post #AR29h5sOvkVf1uvjKS by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2022-12-27T13:47:27Z
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@LuigiDev @eloquence I can understand that. I still love some of historical/philosophical point RMS made, but I totally get the hostility/disgust a lot of people feels towards him - and I avoid using his name if I can avoid it. I talk about "the libre software movement" and its goal without need of any "hero" leading the way ; even if he was important to the definition of its philosophy, he wasn't the movement.
(DIR) Post #AR2P6PTWhM2eMmpCk4 by civodul@toot.aquilenet.fr
2022-12-27T16:36:58Z
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@eloquence Agreed; pedantry has been terribly wasteful: divisive among activists, and pushing back newcomers.Let’s not forget though that, for example, “open source” was coined as part of a communication strategy to erase or at least hide the emancipatory discourse around user freedom that free software is about.The way I see it, it’s time to put an end to pedantry, while remaining critical of the ideas words convey.
(DIR) Post #AR33TjTcUmo1E8Xosi by f4grx@mastodon.social
2022-12-28T00:12:36Z
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@post @kkarhan @eloquence What you call authoritarianism is in fact the protection of tolerance. and you know this requires rejecting intolerance.
(DIR) Post #AR3ZErwxuHdzhDE8PI by bat@cybre.space
2021-05-04T17:32:00Z
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@eloquence I disagree.I find that there is a targeted campaign by the most powerful, rich, and influential top corporations with a specific interest in muddying the waters between 'os' and 'free'There exists evidence of purposeful mal-intent with a specific class interest. It's not some bogey.Preserving the difference seems to me to be more semantic, not pedantic, because free is the underdog & not aligned with existing power structures who ALREADY set the rules, the free term ought to be defended.the term 'openwashing' has been created to describe this process, and posts like this I consider to be helping impersonal corporate forces and not human beings as they search for autonomy.
(DIR) Post #AR3ZEsghAGDvz2cega by eloquence@social.coop
2021-05-05T00:45:47Z
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@bat Of course, we all should choose the terms that resonate with us and our values.I agree that corporate efforts to mislabel or enclose open source software (sic!) should be strongly opposed. I also believe that spending a lot of energy on terminology arguments with people whose goals have strong overlap with your own is wasteful, alienating and easy, while fighting and winning against said corporate interests is necessary and hard.
(DIR) Post #AR3ZEt7dY5m5KbEAgC by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-12-28T05:51:08Z
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show me people who consider it wrong and unjust to subjugate others through software, and whose goal is to put an end to subjugation through software. those are talking about software freedom, and fighting to put an end to the injustice of denying software freedom.show me someone arguing that terms don't matter, or that we should fight for what we have in common rather than go all the way. those are not fighting to put an end to that injustice. they're usually tolerant, if not outright favorable to that injustice.we are not the same.it's ok if you don't share our values, and don't wish to fight our fight.it's not ok to pretend your fight is our fight, while disparaging our fight.it's not the same fight. different goals lead to different strategies. can you respect that?
(DIR) Post #AR3g8NDNxwaOJXl0Jk by JordiGH@mathstodon.xyz
2021-04-02T05:47:22Z
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@patrick@georgi.family Oh, proprietary software has plenty of politics: it's okay to spy on people, it's okay to control people via software, we need more ads and more data collection from people, shut up and do what the people with money tell you to do, you don't wanna starve, do you?These are political positions too.Politics are just opinions about how we should organise our society.
(DIR) Post #AR3g8OkOGia54CCsOu by JordiGH@mathstodon.xyz
2021-04-02T05:48:04Z
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@patrick@georgi.family Btw, been meaning to say: I really love your sheep avatar.
(DIR) Post #AR40MjTK0euGTrKrL6 by berkes@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-12-28T11:12:23Z
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@otyugh @eloquence using the correct words, is, indeed, important. It's crucial for communication. But, communication is a group task. The 'best' term, therefore, depends on the humans involved.Finding proper terminology (ubiquitous language?) a community effort. Ongoing and dynamic.Hence, a sentence like "or as I've recently taken to calling it" almost by definition an example of bad communication. There's no "I" that can "take to calling" anything.
(DIR) Post #AR4B53hHApG1UUdaPw by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2022-12-28T13:12:26Z
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@berkes Yep, good point. RMS is notorious for bad communication and passive-agressivness even to his allies after all...
(DIR) Post #AR4B9IQMMOzoKBkI40 by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:13:14.378528Z
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@otyugh @berkes we need to make RMS an autistic female vtuber who talks about free software while eating toe jam on stream
(DIR) Post #AR4BHtnrGnUYZPq5Bo by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:14:40.538073Z
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@jeff @berkes @otyugh i hope the autistic female vtuber won't turn out to be a male with an axe wound
(DIR) Post #AR4BNFe5UIwdlFoy3M by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:15:43.201819Z
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@lina @berkes @otyugh pipkin pipaa is a prime candidate tho
(DIR) Post #AR4BVYGU954LpBjtGS by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:17:06.521934Z
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@jeff @berkes @otyugh pippa is more of a "I AM A SCHIZOPHRENIAC SOCIOPATH WHO WILL KILL PEOPLE OVER THE MOST MINOR OF THINGS" type character, the only thing she has is autism (if that's not just part of the character)
(DIR) Post #AR4BaZ0co2Ana3i7Dk by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2022-12-28T13:18:10Z
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@jeff @berkes I'd give it a watch ! ...Also there is not enough anime mascot with gnou antlers :(
(DIR) Post #AR4BesPgbTrmv6UOqu by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:18:56.780164Z
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@lina @berkes @otyugh she autisms tf out over horses too
(DIR) Post #AR4Bj0EXTD3oKfF71E by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:19:40.518471Z
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@CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @berkes @lina @otyugh oh god .... i need mor
(DIR) Post #AR4BkEdfOgJnIbaFjk by CumskinFoidPuncher69420@beefyboys.win
2022-12-28T13:18:41.929036Z
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceW6N6oBiws
(DIR) Post #AR4CTURdTfyFLrXGYS by CumskinFoidPuncher69420@beefyboys.win
2022-12-28T13:27:30.012220Z
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I have bad news for you
(DIR) Post #AR4ChnxthLohwmS3UG by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:29:59.345384Z
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@jeff @berkes @otyugh i dont think thats an autistic trait, girls liking horses and ponies is like stereotypical western girl behavior
(DIR) Post #AR4Ciykd57ZxglnzRQ by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:30:50.945831Z
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@CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @berkes @jeff @otyugh there's no such thing as a coder gf just like there isn't a gamer gf
(DIR) Post #AR4CpkQGkiqjHFVf16 by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:32:04.105627Z
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@lina @berkes @otyugh like... she autisms the fuck out with them, it's really really profoundly autistic. female autism is a thing but rather rare.
(DIR) Post #AR4Cy7ha5K4tnEbJYW by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:33:32.492825Z
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@jeff @berkes @otyugh it's so rare i might as well write it off as a biblical miracle: out of reach and only once a century
(DIR) Post #AR4D2ECtqC3J7vCudU by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:34:18.461666Z
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@lina @berkes @otyugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI-Zo40qdzI she has it i can tell
(DIR) Post #AR4DSoEeVkfQOahaAS by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:39:13.496920Z
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@lina @jeff @berkes @otyugh do you watch Vtubers?
(DIR) Post #AR4DX3ve6aKOE5q8C8 by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:39:47.382765Z
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@jeff @berkes @otyugh it's only wednesday huh? i think prime time to hit the bottle, this woman alone has more soul and passion than 99% of girls i see in real life or on the internet
(DIR) Post #AR4Du2h2rgMJ3Sy5mC by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:44:04.512117Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @jeff @otyugh
(DIR) Post #AR4E3QK8NPqWwwj0ro by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:45:50.526729Z
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@lina @berkes @jeff @otyugh IM FUCKING ASKING YOU RETARD
(DIR) Post #AR4E9h1pBLKyUo9Npo by iamtakingiteasy@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:46:48.666975Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @lina @jeff @otyugh
(DIR) Post #AR4EAzpujwwH7KCW12 by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:46:56.180901Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @jeff @otyugh go take a nap
(DIR) Post #AR4EEkwi2noq5sAjSK by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:47:53.412520Z
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@iamtakingiteasy @berkes @jeff @lina @otyugh not a woman, fortunately.
(DIR) Post #AR4ELVO8Hm7hryDXEW by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:49:00.695945Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh steal a soul for a second chance, but you will never become a man
(DIR) Post #AR4EMTjTvWqr1YfQq8 by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:49:17.151182Z
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@lina @berkes @jeff @otyugh not until I do my daily Tenguposting.
(DIR) Post #AR4EPF9yZ2eKhFNVNQ by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:49:47.133659Z
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@lina @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh I can send you my dick pics if you are truly interested.
(DIR) Post #AR4ETaO7a2ndh146Gu by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:50:25.120273Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh nobody wants to see your arm or thigh skin sausage grafted as an imitation of a penis
(DIR) Post #AR4EUVEsD6Gq0qB1Gq by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:50:37.226565Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @lina @otyugh i try not to
(DIR) Post #AR4EgfDsupUeS7VsPY by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:52:56.031802Z
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@lina @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh yet you keep calling me a woman, what a retard.
(DIR) Post #AR4EinOPVmLSMzS98y by Hitsuji2@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T13:53:18.808233Z
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lol u trans?
(DIR) Post #AR4Ej11WpeMOe4r4QC by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:53:21.529917Z
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@jeff @berkes @lina @otyugh try to use your time efficiently.
(DIR) Post #AR4EkAF82YQTWolQye by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:53:33.987595Z
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@Hitsuji2 @lina @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh Wtf no.
(DIR) Post #AR4El2WMEiIFrtExKS by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:53:37.865533Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @lina @otyugh i can stop any time i want :DD
(DIR) Post #AR4EmPIp1IyIoWYqX2 by Hitsuji2@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T13:53:57.830096Z
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Oh ok, btw happy holidays fren!
(DIR) Post #AR4ErOwtlJdDAIgiOm by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:54:42.001581Z
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@Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @MK2boogaloo @otyugh mk2 is a woman pretending to be a man who is obsessed with me and is trying to get my attention
(DIR) Post #AR4ErqgCeyujAd5mGO by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2022-12-28T13:54:52Z
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@Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @lina @jeff @MK2boogaloo HELLTHREAD ACTIVATE
(DIR) Post #AR4EryYhMlfFbfdtg0 by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:54:58.693081Z
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@Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @lina @jeff @otyugh SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
(DIR) Post #AR4EubGaQF1oEhQEZk by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-12-28T13:55:25.948288Z
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@lina @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @MK2boogaloo @otyugh Woman moment
(DIR) Post #AR4Ewua1aOXqiOcHE8 by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:55:52.215532Z
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@lina @Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh Lina is a Russian psyop trying to subvert Fedi into hating Tenguist.
(DIR) Post #AR4Ey3cdS9ov33Nrea by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:56:04.641349Z
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@straw @lina @Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh fuck off Straw.
(DIR) Post #AR4EzFCzrPHVGxxQxs by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:56:13.748835Z
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@straw @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @lina @MK2boogaloo @otyugh how can we know if women are real if men do a much better job at being feminine? 👀 are they really just a CIA psyop?
(DIR) Post #AR4F1KEY9GAnR8fznM by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:56:34.073198Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh you're a stupid woman
(DIR) Post #AR4F4xQMtYJlqww6xE by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-12-28T13:57:18.352096Z
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@jeff @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @lina @MK2boogaloo @otyugh Women are just like the Sacred Sword of the Patriots League
(DIR) Post #AR4F5LdIt6vQw1AmRs by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T13:57:23.568263Z
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@lina @Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh well you're a retarded Russian. I hope the Hohols nuked your apartment.
(DIR) Post #AR4F70CxW43L48dhBY by Hitsuji2@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T13:57:41.363366Z
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I don't think you can say something and then post this pic, it just tells me you are cringe lol
(DIR) Post #AR4FBIfsnfF3UsDYCO by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T13:58:22.820119Z
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@straw @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @lina @MK2boogaloo @otyugh i have no idea what that even means bro
(DIR) Post #AR4FCKRDjFXbFvqkEK by lina@eientei.org
2022-12-28T13:58:27.471621Z
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@Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @MK2boogaloo @otyugh you probably use based unironically too
(DIR) Post #AR4FJ8aiApsUXZXHc0 by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-12-28T13:59:52.011290Z
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@jeff @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @lina @MK2boogaloo @otyugh Mặt trận gươm thiêng ái quố
(DIR) Post #AR4FKcHlFxNsvRNRqa by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T14:00:02.940064Z
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@straw @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @lina @MK2boogaloo @otyugh k
(DIR) Post #AR4FXqiitoBHSWIYiW by Hitsuji2@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T14:02:32.387634Z
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Wtf is that, greek?
(DIR) Post #AR4Fhn4JKbSv1r8Ut6 by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T14:04:16.569167Z
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@Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @lina @MK2boogaloo @otyugh @straw looks like thai
(DIR) Post #AR4Fl84ThTax2Jo3O4 by Hitsuji2@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T14:04:56.522657Z
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Actually yeah you're right
(DIR) Post #AR4FlOxIvOxROza448 by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T14:04:59.706996Z
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@Hitsuji2 @straw @jeff @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @lina @otyugh should be Vietnamese.
(DIR) Post #AR4FnOiiloyHFfiAYC by jeff@federated.fun
2022-12-28T14:05:17.751571Z
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@MK2boogaloo @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @lina @otyugh @straw i was close
(DIR) Post #AR4FpRj8YvlV9jsnKa by Hitsuji2@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-28T14:05:43.342366Z
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My SEA knowledge is fucked lol
(DIR) Post #AR4FxJnFwX1MrpYyVE by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T14:07:08.924886Z
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@Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @lina @jeff @otyugh @straw there was a wave of Vietnamese gambling account on FSE last month, they have the same writing.
(DIR) Post #AR4ID6pO7HVRCGDYbg by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-12-28T14:32:23.247272Z
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@jeff @berkes @Hitsuji2 @iamtakingiteasy @lina @MK2boogaloo @otyugh vietnamese
(DIR) Post #AR4IE7WR1KmLdipoJM by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-12-28T14:32:34.528340Z
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@Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @lina @jeff @MK2boogaloo @otyugh he is not
(DIR) Post #AR4IRRrahgUqUX5Mxs by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2022-12-28T14:34:50Z
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@matthieu At the end of the day I think "anything is fine" too ; our thinking is tampered by our langage - it is a fact -, but langage is also tampered by how people use it. That's how we can find slur words used with pride by people who ought to be humiliated by it.In the same way, if Libre software got mainstream as OS under the "Linux" name, it's wrong as per definition, but who cares, a win is a win, I'd be more than happy to take it.
(DIR) Post #AR4JIc7VIfePeLscMq by LuigiDev@mastodon.lol
2022-12-28T13:30:52Z
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@matthieu @otyugh @eloquence why do you want to be more generic? What are you describing? A package installable with apt? An app that needs GNU libraries? One that needs Linux kernel?
(DIR) Post #AR4JIcWJoPV4tJUR2u by matthieu@mastodon.weber.fi.eu.org
2022-12-28T14:25:25Z
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@LuigiDev @otyugh @eloquence Mostly because I like abstractions, but also when the specific distribution is no relevant e.g. in a broad categorization like "What system do you use: Windows / MacOS / GNU / other". In that context, "GNU" is more generic than a long list of distributions of GNU software with a Linux kernel.I believe that correctly naming things is important to avoid ambiguities in discussions, even if most people are happy calling it "Linux" (which is OK, I do it too).
(DIR) Post #AR4JIcrwW0nVyNbhke by LuigiDev@mastodon.lol
2022-12-28T14:39:37Z
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@matthieu @otyugh @eloquence the thing is non-gnu Linuxes should usually be counted for "Linux" in this kind of stats, even if they don't feature GNU components
(DIR) Post #AR4JIdEd9ewh6kDp7A by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2022-12-28T14:44:24Z
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@LuigiDev You mean Android ? Most people I know won't lump them together but to make show about how "linux" is in fact, widespread. But in everyday use, desktop and smartphone usage are so different - it's such a different culture that even semantical confusion doesn't make the notion mix. Or am I wrong on this ?
(DIR) Post #AR4JrJLj5477ZM4qfY by LuigiDev@mastodon.lol
2022-12-28T14:50:49Z
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@otyugh I mean musl/BusyBox which why they include Android they also include more traditional distros like Alpine Linux for instance
(DIR) Post #AR4YXBOOSBGqPbBWm8 by sysrq@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T17:35:19.233919Z
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@MK2boogaloo @lina @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @otyugh gay
(DIR) Post #AR4YjcXFMZT24KFz7I by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-28T17:37:34.118055Z
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@sysrq @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @lina @otyugh he's afraid of the truth.
(DIR) Post #AR58cFivNHcNdtVMsy by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2022-12-29T00:19:36Z
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@eloquence part of RMS's legacy is a philosophy that unifies rejection of non-free with the embrace of that which is emancipatory. I can see how that would bother people who think this movement emerged organically and take it's consequences for granted.Most activism is pedantic and alienating, but it's as logical an outcome of his philosophy as GNU emacs.
(DIR) Post #AR5VHhdUhR9J4l8RCy by eloquence@social.coop
2022-12-29T00:13:55Z
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@lxo That is a false dichotomy, Alexandre, but it is the kind of false dichotomy that is symptomatic for the FSF's approach to "advocacy" which has done plenty of damage to its own stated causes.
(DIR) Post #AR5VHi1bFoQoHWPgmW by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-12-29T04:24:21Z
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that is a strawman.I'm very aware that the two poles I named are minorities rather the whole. most people don't even know the differences one way or another, and those are minds and hearts whose support the poles are struggling to win.names matter, and those who have driven the corporate pushes for OSS and Linux in detriment of FS and GNU know it very well. demonizing our attempts to counter their propaganda are just another in the bag of tricks to maintain their dominance over the controlled opposition. why would someone who wishes to defeat us be worried that we're allegedly shooting our own feet to the point of asking us to stop?show me someone complaining about these efforts of ours, and I'll show you either someone who cares deeply about names and knows that suppressing our voice ensures their propaganda prevails, or someone who doesn't know that and has fallen for their demonizing propaganda.
(DIR) Post #AR6WPDyDAsyUUuw568 by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-29T16:20:53.702953Z
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@SoyMagnus @Hitsuji2 @berkes @iamtakingiteasy @jeff @lina @otyugh seething.tenguism 5015.png
(DIR) Post #AR8kcwBbsbAJQnyrtg by post@qoto.org
2022-12-30T18:09:38Z
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@f4grx @kkarhan @eloquence Yeah that is a popular concept by Karl Popper but do you know more about him? Do you now that NeoLiberism (or NeoLiberalism if you prefer) has the same ideological roots of Nazism and both were financially supported by the same powerful people? Those roots is social darwinism and scientism is their way to justify their atrocities, so be careful when citing Karl Popper.We already have the cultural tools to stop that in Western history and in this case it's Rousseau's division of power: it's not up to me nor to you nor to anyone else to condemn someone by inflicting whatever punishment that affects their lives.It's up to who has the juridical power to do so with limits, accountability and the guarantees prescribed by law.Any exercise of power without previously settled responsibilities is authoritarianism and you can't hide it behind a poor rhetorical trick.
(DIR) Post #AR98sWLS7dv4orY2hE by f4grx@mastodon.social
2022-12-30T21:54:17Z
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@post @kkarhan @eloquence Rejecting assholes for being assholes is not authoritarian. Assholes can still express themselves elsewhere, but not here. No one is forced to listen to their BS.
(DIR) Post #AR98sWi8lI4FxEAA3k by post@qoto.org
2022-12-30T22:41:21Z
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@f4grx Indeed nobody is forced to listen to *anything*, including uneducated opinions on terms, cheers!
(DIR) Post #ARDVKIOiXxqbIKZ2ie by oseo@fosstodon.org
2022-12-27T20:40:41Z
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@eloquence I do appreciate the GNU philosophy website, I found nothing else as insightful. I view what you call pedantry as educational. I notice that the majority of people I know who say they "use Linux" don't care at all that it is free software and are happy to promote proprietary software. That makes me not want to call the whole system I use "Linux". I prefer GNU/Linux to promote the GNU philosophy.
(DIR) Post #ARDVKJ0eGwBlByJKqG by eloquence@social.coop
2022-12-27T20:48:31Z
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@oseo I'm glad it resonated with you. Parts of it resonate with me as well (though I do not use copyleft - I put my code in the public domain). That post (from more than a year ago, gaining traction again) was about how we approach others about the stuff we believe -- and if the first approach to someone excited about Linux (sic!) or open source (sic!) is "well actually, you're using the wrong terminology", then I would continue to criticize that as alienating and off-putting.
(DIR) Post #ARDVKJOkpJTGOjaaPo by oseo@fosstodon.org
2022-12-27T23:01:47Z
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@eloquence The GNU project is about making a system to do anything that is entirely free software in a world where copyright laws are being used against that. As the Linux kernel is being used for systems such as Android that are mostly used to promote massive adoption of proprietary software, I feel it is essential to tell people more clearly the kind of system I am talking about. I'd rather not spend my energy for people enthusiastic about Linux who don't care about free software.
(DIR) Post #ARDVc6IsFf9OzuJxsu by kallisti@refusal.llc
2023-01-02T01:14:58.760057Z
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@oseo @eloquence The Ched project is about making a system to do anything that is entirely free child porn in a world where copyright laws are being used against that. As the Cum Salon is being used for systems such as Poast that are mostly used to promote massive adoption of gay porn, I feel it is essential to tell people more clearly the kind of system I am talking about. I'd rather not spend my energy for people enthusiastic about Ched who don't care about child porn. cc @pernia @pernis @Rapist @nimt @meso
(DIR) Post #AREEmegtkaeUTuxtlw by Rapist@cum.salon
2023-01-02T09:41:05.441436Z
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@kallisti @meso @nimt @pernia @pernis @oseo @eloquence everybody loves open-source, crowd funded child porn :hapyday: ched makes it happen :cp:
(DIR) Post #ARaMWJCTUFSbHSodns by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2022-12-27T15:53:33Z
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@eloquence in defense of pedantry -- many of the issues facing this movement, as well as many other movements, is the muddying of definitions.A good example might be "socialism" -- it has grown so many definitions, because people /aren't/ pedants about correcting incorrect definitions, that the word has all but become useless in efforts to educate people ignorant of socialism.
(DIR) Post #ARaOkZAP7V8WlLm1fU by dale@toot.cafe
2022-12-27T10:20:07Z
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@eloquence Very much agree, similiar energy for Mastodon vs Fediverse
(DIR) Post #ARaOkZpAfvkKnmqaDA by ML2@akkoma.sandhill.social
2023-01-13T02:16:24.354873Z
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@daleI'm going to slightly disagree here with the Mastodon vs. Fediverse comparison. Some people are pedantic asses about it just as with anything else, but it's a distinction that actually does come up a lot.With free vs open source, the relationship between the terms is contested, because at the end of the day one is dealing with ideas and ideals rather than clear definitions. I'd say there may be a distinction but I am also not involved in the debate enough.On the other hand, the definitions for Mastodon and Fediverse are rather more clear. Fediverse is anything connected by ActivityPub and other related protocols. Mastodon is one of many different pieces of software using ActivityPub. My server uses Akkoma, which is another piece of software that uses ActivityPub, but which is not at all like Mastodon under the hood. (I run Akkoma because it's cheap (less than $5 a month) to host and is more featureful.)You are right about the pedant energy. I'd say pedantry is most usefully defined as when people, rather than using definitions to clarify what they mean and to explain relevant distinctions, use them instead to condescend and feel superior to others. And yes, there are such people in FOSS, and such people on the wider Fediverse, and in many other places, and it's annoying as heck when it happens. @eloquence
(DIR) Post #ARaOleKfOs9j4a5fSy by be@fosstodon.org
2021-04-02T08:30:49Z
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@seachaint @eloquence @furkachi These issues are why I'm now advocating the term "cooperative technology" to move on from both "free software" and "open source". It gets the point across better than either and I think it will be harder for capitalists to coopt. Interestingly, it was discussed at the meeting where the term "open source" was settled on, but "open source" was chosen because it was watered down ideologically and therefore acceptable to capitalists. https://fosstodon.org/@be/105983348184637951
(DIR) Post #ARaOlgLntcFnKgdbW4 by be@fosstodon.org
2021-04-02T08:38:04Z
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@seachaint @eloquence @furkachi I think we need a new vocabulary that isn't a sell out to capitalists and also isn't associated with Stallman's pedantry, misogyny, and other problematic behavior.
(DIR) Post #ARaOnuJ4yk4VCCQNQe by ML2@akkoma.sandhill.social
2023-01-13T02:17:00.016100Z
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@beInteresting.@seachaint @eloquence @furkachi
(DIR) Post #AUeUBo4Kgrr0R5kvXU by furkachi@tech.lgbt
2021-04-02T08:47:52Z
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@be @seachaint @eloquence An interesting proposition! I know from experience within queer spaces that new terminology can be complicated to spread outside of in-groups, but seeing the state of vocabulary and the FOSS movement as viewed from the outside, rallying around simpler terms that are more explicit are less specialized would definitely be an improvement :3
(DIR) Post #AUeUBosffi7UxDJ808 by be@fosstodon.org
2021-04-02T08:49:53Z
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@furkachi @seachaint @eloquence I think the time is ripe as many are seriously questioning the limits of Stallman's philosophy and tactics. I don't think retreating to "open source" would be a good solution for all the reasons Stallman has criticized it for since the beginning.
(DIR) Post #AUeUSvtkpmPjdoyTUe by vadorovsky@hachyderm.io
2022-12-28T07:21:46Z
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@eloquence Totally agree, but even if we stick to being pedantic with names...I find the "GNU/Linux" name totally pointless. GNU tools are just tools, not the integral part of the operating system. In theory, you could build the Linux kernel with clang, use some non-GNU shell, use musl or LLVM libc and in general get rid of GNU toolchain. These are just fricking tools you can choose. 🤷♂️So the fact that RMS pushes so much for the name is ridiculous and proves his narcissism.
(DIR) Post #AUeUSwXoQqSNe3iSvo by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-29T00:33:35Z
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@vadorovsky @eloquence You could apply similar arguments against calling the whole system "Linux". You have choice between Linux & BSD kernels!Personally I tend to refer to the distros by their names dropping the "Linux" part where relevant. Or for my purposes I find "free desktops" a good generalization, though it may not reflect what others are interested in.Interestingly: Why we started using the metonym "Linux" is because GNU was a victim of their own success, not worth mentioning.
(DIR) Post #AUeYmECBQfwphx3BzM by photos_floues@mastodon.art
2023-04-14T20:03:51Z
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@otyugh @eloquence I find is difficult to take RMS seriously on the importance of choosing words when he himself named "Free software", which must have wasted centuries of people time in confusing, US-dude-centric talk about speech and beer. He could have called it "Liberty software" or whatever, had he thought about it for a minute or asked a Humanities scholar.
(DIR) Post #AUeZ6ssdsESrgIlAsS by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-04-14T20:07:33Z
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@photos_floues As I recall he does promote the use of "Libre software" using the french/spanish word for it.