Post AR1RCUiU86lJ6rtI2a by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
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(DIR) Post #AQlXnPUxz41apwC8pc by stever@newsie.social
2022-12-19T13:01:14Z
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I actually feel very strongly that AI companies and model builders should have to compensate those whose data is used to build the models (or get releases if they don’t compensate). If that requirement tanks the field, I’m willing to do it. Algorithmic theft is no less theft, no matter how clever the delivery mechanism https://twitter.com/EZE3D/status/1601695610498781184
(DIR) Post #AQlXnQ3httoWZgRsyu by chris@girevik.su
2022-12-19T13:27:25Z
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@steverBut stealing is an American sacrament. It's called "standing on the shoulders of giants" and is what open academia and open source is built on. Just call it forking.
(DIR) Post #AQlXnQiTSKQKc7WRWa by stever@newsie.social
2022-12-19T13:01:14Z
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As someone who has spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on education, and thousands of hours producing content, I do not believe that “information wants to be free” or that my work can be used to train an AI without my being compensated.
(DIR) Post #AQlZeVGVNEXk1YJM12 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-12-19T13:48:19.773117Z
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@stever what if that ai is not kept secret, and the models can be reproduced by anyone? I think I would agree with you that building an ai model using public data without releasing the model to the public might be a problem, but if the model is useful and freely available to anyone I don't think I see a problem.Does your position carry to the public sector (government) or is it just private corporations that should be limited in their use of publicly available information? What about government contractors? I would argue the secret algos and advanced models used to track people on and offline are more of a problem than a chat bot or art generator.
(DIR) Post #AQlby0XTWTYkQbg2BE by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-19T14:14:13.453533Z
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Copyright is a mistake in the first place, the logic of intellectual theft is itself a problem. Copyright needs to be abolished, not strengthened, it's an instrument of oppression, an institution of power, not emancipation, the very reason that these huge corporations use copyright forces everyone else to do the same just to survive, making the copyright law stronger instead of weaker makes things worse. Copyright should die in a fire, it is the by-product of the capitalists' insatiable profit-seeking, nothing more. By supporting it you support capitalist exploitation. Simple as that. It's class collaborationism to its fullest, the true expression of neoliberalism, the desire of petty capitalists to be rich and successful at the expense of everyone else and a delusion that the copyright law will save them from the bigger fish (won't happen, the capitalist market will eat them alive).
(DIR) Post #AQlcmOA5y35GAklTSS by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-12-19T14:23:20.579514Z
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@cyberspook @stever it's cute that people think megacorps care about data ethics.they've been robbing everyone blind since their first day :blobcatlaugh2:
(DIR) Post #AQld1baGLZKU8zGBfM by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-19T14:26:06.620175Z
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@icedquinnExactly! They've engineered the IP laws to suit their interests. Obviously they won't take the smaller capitalists into account, they are the ones who lobby the government.@stever
(DIR) Post #AQmLQdDHp0m0Q7FzHs by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-12-19T22:42:35Z
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here's a shout out for @glynmoody 's Walled Culture book, that I finished reading today. he makes a great case on how copyright has become increasingly harmful and unnecessary in a digital society.in line with the ideas defended in the book, he contributed it to the public domain, and offered it for gratis downloads. my only (half-humorous) gripe with the book is that he missed the opportunity to dedicate it to his true fans; that would have been a nice extra touch to an already great book. maybe something for a 2nd edition? :-)
(DIR) Post #AQooHguK0IAWG3OZ04 by stever@newsie.social
2022-12-21T03:16:12Z
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@chris Academics get a salary. Open source is a charity contributed to by people with significant existing salaries.
(DIR) Post #AQpBm995sQfHTEnPo8 by stever@newsie.social
2022-12-21T03:13:29Z
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@icedquinn @cyberspook So how do artists and writers and other creators get paid?
(DIR) Post #AQpBm9oDPXYfWm2Fu4 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T07:39:36.098369Z
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@steverThe people crowdfund the work. And you can still sell stuff through a subscription service, it’s not forbidden. Governments also finance artists (France is a good example). As any big publisher would tell you, it’s most important to sell a game in the first week to get the most profits. That’s why Denuvo only gets cracked after 1 week.Oh, and the fact that Denuvo and Patreon exist shows that copyright isn’t that effective in the first place. You need good lawyers to enforce it anyway, YouTube doesn’t enforce copyright either, it just bans videos that potentially violate copyright. Don’t see why there wouldn’t still be trade agreements that prohibit spreading original material for free on a certain business-controlled platform like YouTube (for better or for worse).The biggest problem with getting money for small creators is the redistribution of capital. Due to the copyright law the franchises with the biggest capital win. Others are simply dragged along, eating the remnants of what is left on the table. You must understand that money don’t rain from the sky. Capital is a kind of substance in a way, if people are sucked out of their money, you are less likely to get a share of the pie.@icedquinn
(DIR) Post #AQpCIAhRdOavYb8NRA by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T07:45:23.719028Z
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@steverAlso, if you put a reasonable price, people will pay. That's the reason people don't pirate small video games. They're darn cheap! And people are already thin on their pockets. Yet the capitalists always want more and more. Imagine having a blood shortage. You wouldn't think about donating the rest to charities, now would you?Also, providing a good service is also a good way to sell your copies of artwork. Steam is a good example. In fact, Gabe himself admitted that people will buy games if you provide them a good service. RedHat and SUSE know that as well, selling commercial support along with their commercial GNU+Linux distros.And nobody's stopping you from not telling. Just don't tell anyone that they can download stuff for free, you don't have to. You have a right to remain silent.@icedquinn
(DIR) Post #AQpCQUoiir0qGaVTPs by glynmoody@mastodon.social
2022-12-20T07:54:27Z
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@lxo @cyberspook many thanks for that; gripe noted... free download here in various formats for anyone interested: https://walledculture.org/the-book/ #copyright #ebooks
(DIR) Post #AQpCTsa6p86Sq5HlnU by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-12-21T07:47:30.804399Z
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@cyberspook @stever denuvo doesn't get cracked because they hired as many people off the scene as they could and there's maybe one or two new folk who work on it. :comfyeyes:
(DIR) Post #AQpCZy5hFiNRfDxosC by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T07:48:37.002458Z
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@icedquinn @stever There is so much unexplored territory behind copyright. Yet, just like with capitalism and statism, people are afraid to imagine new futures, to use their imagination.
(DIR) Post #AQpCy3RH1JkdCUXdHk by m0th@husk.site
2022-12-21T07:47:56.999902Z
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@stever lol
(DIR) Post #AQpCyqRIpztDAlvqdM by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T07:53:06.350259Z
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@icedquinn @stever Denuvo is a great way to prevent unsolicited copying. However, it completely shits on the principles of software freedom and is pretty much a form of malware that infects your computer's gutterals. I would prefer not to use it.
(DIR) Post #AQpD3a9OpIG46NohXs by m0th@husk.site
2022-12-21T07:48:57.003716Z
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@stever @icedquinn @cyberspook lol, git gud
(DIR) Post #AQpD4f3i3yW7c8fbTk by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T07:54:10.576137Z
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@icedquinnI wonder: if Steam games run through Proton on GNU+Linux, does it mean that it's sandboxed somewhat?@stever
(DIR) Post #AQpDYc7TYVvVBZiKfI by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T07:59:33.878094Z
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@icedquinnAlso, smart guys. Preventing breaking DRM by buying off all the DRM crackers. This is it. This is another creative way to prevent unsolicited copying. When everything else fails, try bribery.Unfortunately, only huge companies can afford bribery so we're back to my original point.@stever
(DIR) Post #AQpESH8Wl0I8KBkOvI by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T08:09:37.727938Z
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@icedquinn @stever Yeah, I know: “IT’S DISHONEST TO NOT TELL PEOPLE, BLAH-BLAH-BLAH!!” That right there is actual moralism. “Libre art” does not mean “zero-cost art.” It means “libre art.” It means that if someone shares a copy of your artwork to their friend or makes a creative edit of your art a SWAT team won’t burst into their house.
(DIR) Post #AQpF4SqJgKkTdRRIIa by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-21T08:16:31.581025Z
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@steverAlso, I should mention that if what you’re doing is needed, people will pay you. GNU+Linux distros are needed, and everyone knows that if we stop pouring our money into them they’ll die. So corporations give donations to those distros just to keep them alive, just so they can continue using them.You know, if you actually rely on something, that becomes much more personal. You would be willing to fix and pay for the stuff yourself. That’s the meaning of telekommunism: when the community creates what it relies on itself. Think of the DIY culture. The product of their labor is created for direct use, not for sale.@icedquinn
(DIR) Post #AQpg03MLBUZYCgXVYm by chris@girevik.su
2022-12-21T13:17:54Z
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@steverThanks for the definitions. https://www.digital-science.com/blog/2014/11/why-sharing-your-research-with-the-public-is-as-necessary-as-doing-the-research-itself/
(DIR) Post #AQpjWhSPw6Afh7dm4m by chris@girevik.su
2022-12-21T13:57:40Z
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@steverYou also don't get what I'm selling. But nobody does.
(DIR) Post #AQpjt4DTzzM8eSJvrU by chris@girevik.su
2022-12-21T14:01:50Z
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@steverAnd most academics aren't.
(DIR) Post #AQvYMxq0FJhV3QaSoK by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-12-24T02:56:54Z
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you mean now, or once copyright gets abolished?(hint: neither depends on copyright; I linked to a great book in this thread that answers your question)
(DIR) Post #AR1OeypvRDvYlsGKmG by stever@newsie.social
2022-12-27T02:21:48Z
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@cyberspook There's an entire section of the web devoted to nothing but people ripping off intellectual property and giving it away for free. Has nothing to do with big corps. They are a separate problem. My book sold 10K copies. It was pirated ~50K times. Mega corps gonna do what they're gonna do. For people on my scale, it's the small pirates that matter.
(DIR) Post #AR1OezDK2EdtwRD1FI by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-27T05:00:30.710869Z
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For people of my scale…It’s not like the people of your scale aren’t dependent on the people of the bigger scale. Because those are the ones who control the market. Anti-piracy measures are an endless cat-and-mouse game and the very fact that your book was pirated 50k times shows that the law cannot really be enforced unless we turn our world into an Orwellian surveillance state, the only reason anyone’s book is selling is despite the anti-piracy laws, not because of them. And not like smaller capitalists are protected anyway, you cannot affort going to court. The bigger capitalists can. And the bigger capitalists are more likely to sue the smaller capitalists into oblivion, as a smaller fish you have no power. It’s the bigger capitalists who pay for DRM protection. It’s the bigger capitalists who sue people. Small capitalists are always the mere collateral damage, they are disposable, noone cares to protect them. Your other option is joining the libre culture community and leveraging its power of collaboration to resist the pressure of the bigger capitalists. It’s a dog-eats-dog world, it is naive to think that just because there’s some law in place you are entirely safe.
(DIR) Post #AR1RCUiU86lJ6rtI2a by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-27T05:28:58.503012Z
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@stever One of many reasons why people don’t pirate is because of convenience, for example. The pirate sites often require you some knowledge on how do download torrents and are often infested with trojans. One of the many reasons of pirating something is:In protest.They’re poor/children (in which case they either pirate your book or don’t read it at all).They hate copyright as a concept (ideologically motivated piracy).They consider the product to be overpriced.They just want to show it to their friends without forcing them to give them their money like a robber.
(DIR) Post #AR1RaRPM5AoxnZMTtQ by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-12-27T05:33:18.663596Z
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@stever @stever One of many reasons why people don’t pirate is because of convenience, for example. The pirate sites often require you some knowledge on how do download torrents and are often infested with trojans. One of the many reasons of pirating something is:In protest.They’re poor/children (in which case they either pirate your book or don’t read it at all).They hate copyright as a concept (ideologically motivated piracy).They consider the product to be overpriced.They just want to show it to their friends without forcing them to give them their money like a robber.They just want to take a peek, they don’t actually want to buy it (something you can’t really do with digital media aside from a few screenshots).We used to have such things as demos and free chapters but some smart people thought they were unnecessary.