Post AR0xttzZ2DF7KMf5Ky by NNYLiberty@liberdon.com
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(DIR) Post #AQyXNfnVHumyuf4X0C by inetpro@infosec.exchange
2022-12-25T18:50:24Z
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the sad reality of open source software developmentIn short: folks love the amazing decentralised encrypted comms utopia of Matrix. But organisations also love that they can use it without having to pay anyone to develop or maintain it. This is completely unsustainable, and Element is now literally unable to fund the entirety of the Matrix Foundation on behalf of everyone else - and has had to lay off some of the folks working on the core team as a result.https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/25/the-matrix-holiday-update-2022
(DIR) Post #AQyc14Rdz02cSwtBKK by PublicLewdness@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-25T20:46:04.173138Z
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@inetpro Even most of the more "well funded" projects lack proper funding to maintain full time devs. I've said it before but most FOSS projects that have publically available numbers for donations make for depressing reading.
(DIR) Post #AQyhXgiRj96eCO7Xe4 by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-12-25T21:47:58Z
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@inetpro Look into who is behind ((( MATRIX)))Better solutions existXMPPDelta ChatEncypted EmailIRCMumbleetcNot something designed by ex ((( MOSSAD))) employed Jews
(DIR) Post #AQykGQiWFzVBWEcKFU by eliasp@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T19:53:23Z
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@inetpro just learned, how horribly underfunded #Matrix is.Although it's not much, I chipped in at least a small monthly donation I can afford on #LiberaPay, where the current total monthly amount is shockingly low.If you can, please help this important project of the #Fediverse!https://liberapay.com/matrixdotorg/#OpenSource #Sustainability #Matrix #Donations #Finances #Support
(DIR) Post #AQykGRKnxe7vQyWtvM by tio@social.trom.tf
2022-12-25T21:06:05Z
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They also get a lot more from Patreon https://www.patreon.com/matrixdotorg and grants https://matrix.org/faq/#how-is-matrixorg-funded but of course such a big project should be properly supported. I'd say governments should help fund these sort of projects and use these.
(DIR) Post #AQykGRjyS4GAh2J09g by eliasp@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T21:19:08Z
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@tio @inetpro yes, it really surprised me to see, they're not appropriately government-funded, since at least the German and French governments heavily make use of it.
(DIR) Post #AQykGSCgjJEE85jvua by loveisgrief@mastodon.online
2022-12-25T21:40:36Z
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@eliaspHow is it possible that governments are using matrix with thousands of users and yet employees had to be laid off? @matrix could you explain what's going on there?@tio @inetpro
(DIR) Post #AQykGSa5KJwZIegcNc by matrix@mastodon.matrix.org
2022-12-25T22:16:13Z
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@loveisgrief @eliasp @tio @inetpro the post tries to explain the situation: https://matrix.org/blog/2022/12/25/the-matrix-holiday-update-2022. many governments don’t contribute at all, or only are willing to sponsor new features (which then take resources away from improving the core). perversely, “public money for public code” has been interpreted as a justification to only pay for new features rather than supporting maintenance.
(DIR) Post #AQylMkC2rETzcC0Cjg by eliasp@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T22:28:38Z
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Das wäre doch mal ein Thema fürs @bsi, was im Interesse der "digitalen Souveränität & Sicherheit" an die BReg herangetragen werden könnte (Sicherung einer kontinuierlichen Finanzierung von funktional- und sicherheitsrelevanten OpenSource-Projekten, insbes. solchen, welche durch Bundesbehörden/-institutionen direkt oder als Abhängigkeit genutzt werden).@matrix @loveisgrief @tio @inetpro
(DIR) Post #AQylcn187rxn0TY2Ma by Greviculteur@mamot.fr
2022-12-25T22:06:49Z
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@eliasp @inetpro Well it is a single-company product where specs are decided by mostly people at the same company, and is backed by cryptocurrency venture capitalists (see: bottom of matrix.org homepage), and it is steamrolling the alternatives thanks to the money it can throw around, apparently not for much longer, but so far it has failed to produce a healthy ecosystem
(DIR) Post #AQylcnZW41T8j7dUxc by matrix@mastodon.matrix.org
2022-12-25T22:31:58Z
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@Greviculteur @eliasp @inetpro This is bullshit, needless to say. In fact, the problem is that there are too many companies building on top without supporting core devs. Less than half the spec proposals are written by core team members. In terms of “steamrollering other projects” - the enemy here are proprietary comms silos, not us. 😡
(DIR) Post #AQyoTrQCgGxHvHi4Zc by Daniel@hostsharing.coop
2022-12-25T23:03:00Z
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@matrix @loveisgrief @eliasp @tio @inetpro I've just chipped in my dime, but I would rather have my taxes spent on matrix than on more motorways, Airlines, Energygiants and big banks.@Bundespresseamt Btw are you supporting the #fediverse, #wikipedia, #gnu / #LINUX other than just taking it for granted? It is like living in Germany and just NOT paying taxes. Only the bad guys do that. #commons
(DIR) Post #AQzES5Zdgq7Q2nwHiK by Greviculteur@mamot.fr
2022-12-26T03:54:09Z
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@matrix @eliasp @inetpro I am not saying (e.g.) WhatsApp is not steamrolling everyone here, but while there are many community-driven projects around matrix, I haven't seen many alternative implementations by third parties (Not saying here that the official one is bad, but lack of diversity here means that you "stay in control" of everything)
(DIR) Post #AQzjR38MNDQwlZADQ0 by wall_e@ioc.exchange
2022-12-26T09:41:11Z
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@matrix You seeing this @bmdv @bfdi?Gibt es für solche Open Source Projekte denn keine Fördertöpfe? Insbesondere wenn Organe der Bundesrepublik sie stark nutzen?
(DIR) Post #AQzlBh40LcMZsgvqoy by bfdi@social.bund.de
2022-12-26T10:02:19Z
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@wall_e @matrix @bmdv Ein Fördertopf soll https://sovereigntechfund.de werden/sein. Außerdem wollen Verwaltungen in D und F sich wohl auch mit eigenen Aufträgen an Weiterentwicklung Source Code beteiligen
(DIR) Post #AQzmrvSDKnKsd3xQhs by wall_e@ioc.exchange
2022-12-26T10:21:31Z
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@bfdi @matrix @bmdv danke für die Antwort :)Das mit den eigenen Aufträgen zur Weiterentwicklung klingt ja schon mal vielversprechend.Es darf aber eben auch nicht übersehen werden, dass vor allem die kontinuierliche Pflege und das Aktuellhalten von Abhängigkeiten finanziert werden muss!Ich kenne das aus eigener Erfahrung als Softwareentwickler, dass die Finanzierung allein durch Neuentwicklungen sehr kritisch ist.Man entwickelt die ganze Zeit neuen Kram um die Rechnungen bezahlen zu können, hat aber keine Zeit für dringend benötigte Maintenance Arbeit. Und am Ende hat man dann in irgendeiner schimmligen Ecke, die man seit 2 Jahren nicht angefasst hat eine Sicherheitslücke.Wer wäre denn eigentlich der richtige Ansprechpartner innerhalb der Bundesregierung für solche Sachen? Die jeweils nutzende Stelle, also z.B. das Verteidigungsministerium?
(DIR) Post #AQznigDQim54iRCJI8 by bfdi@social.bund.de
2022-12-26T10:31:08Z
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@wall_e @matrix @bmdv Der Fund!?
(DIR) Post #AQzrodDrA6pEzFUTPU by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-12-26T03:50:28Z
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@inetpro suggestion…instead of letting anyone create a Matrix space for free, how about putting up a subscription paywall that can be bypassed if people pursue free hosting?We have a Matrix hosted space for Podverse, and it just never occurred to me there is a Matrix organization I should pay for this service. If I was prompted to setup a recurring subscription at the time of creating a space, even if optional, I would have at least sent something first.
(DIR) Post #AR0xttzZ2DF7KMf5Ky by NNYLiberty@liberdon.com
2022-12-27T00:00:40Z
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Nope, then the Government will demand control of it
(DIR) Post #AR0yZT3DaiNFvxBtJI by NNYLiberty@liberdon.com
2022-12-27T00:08:11Z
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@tio So much for a Trade-Free philosophy