Post AQvd4MoFg2OYltifuS by foxhkron@cybre.club
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(DIR) Post #AQsONqqo7wfSerrsjQ by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-22T20:44:51.986Z
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Amazing
(DIR) Post #AQsOeFKiryHpDrg7Ps by lamp@mastodong.lol
2022-12-22T20:47:57Z
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@foxhkron 1.6 people per car?
(DIR) Post #AQsOqzpXouLSuEAt8a by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2022-12-22T20:50:14Z
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@lamp @foxhkron That sounds about right, tbh.
(DIR) Post #AQsRV72SdfU4knTNPk by WahbAllat@mastodon.social
2022-12-22T21:19:55Z
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@lamp @foxhkron very optimistic
(DIR) Post #AQsVPr4GzRNdae4Khc by gaige@neue.city
2022-12-22T22:03:49.170440Z
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@foxhkron if only the train was on time... :akkoDots:
(DIR) Post #AQsVW311TwwkNlV9wu by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-22T22:04:47.113Z
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@gaige@neue.city How to be on time with all your trains:Step 1: Don't take trains in GermanyStep 2: Success
(DIR) Post #AQsVcDgiiNHJDhwqye by gaige@neue.city
2022-12-22T22:06:04.145054Z
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@foxhkron have only taken the train in germany once. it was only 10 minutes late :blobfoxgooglythinking:
(DIR) Post #AQsVj09dQlxpH0hsMC by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-22T22:07:07.870Z
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@gaige@neue.city How is train service in Norway?
(DIR) Post #AQsVqtWZxrs91mCbVg by gaige@neue.city
2022-12-22T22:08:42.485115Z
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@foxhkron what train services?:akkoSad:
(DIR) Post #AQsVw0YJGKc2GwRxia by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-22T22:09:28.237Z
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@gaige@neue.city You have trains, right? Right? :blobcatsweat:
(DIR) Post #AQsW9p0F03ZiVS6M64 by gaige@neue.city
2022-12-22T22:12:07.479444Z
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@foxhkron yes, but the line from where i live it hasnt really seen any large upgrades since the last world war
(DIR) Post #AQsWmPZjTNFWwD6TVg by gaige@neue.city
2022-12-22T22:19:05.954749Z
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@foxhkron like, look at this sad map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Norwegian_railway_lines_electrified.svg/1280px-Norwegian_railway_lines_electrified.svg.png
(DIR) Post #AQsX4vIOHBV0WroprU by gaige@neue.city
2022-12-22T22:22:26.699213Z
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@foxhkron all blue lines are decommissioned/historic
(DIR) Post #AQse3gLd47bHYigmUC by GLFC@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-12-22T23:40:40Z
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@foxhkron that's the type of crack #Seattle is smoking. No bloody way you're getting 250 people on a Link car. Not to mention Link isn't exactly full service.
(DIR) Post #AQsejfrXGCmODSdW6a by notes@social.coop
2022-12-22T23:47:41Z
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@foxhkron It reminds me of this meme:
(DIR) Post #AQsqYccCC0wcPPxQlU by Dragoen_Mage@home.social
2022-12-23T02:00:39Z
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@GLFC @foxhkron My experience taking the link to and from Mariners games is that 250 is about tight for absolute maximum capacity. Made a lot of very close acquaintances on those trips.
(DIR) Post #AQsxrj5x1YWLgfvrI8 by GLFC@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-12-23T03:22:36Z
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@Dragoen_Mage @foxhkron King Street to Nordstrom was the middle of my commute and it was never *that* packed. Still plenty miserable, though.
(DIR) Post #AQtUawwpYyVwDRH49w by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-12-23T01:52:43Z
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@foxhkron how big are these train cars!?
(DIR) Post #AQtUaxS1gzT3mBryme by mlncn@social.coop
2022-12-23T02:17:00Z
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@carcinopithecus @foxhkron yeah cannot imagine 250 people per train car, so presumably they are planning multiple trips?Ah, no, each train car is supposed to have 74 seats with a "maximum 'crush load' of 252 people.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_light_railStill, you could give everyone a seat and still do 1,000 people in four trains with a lot of capacity to spare!
(DIR) Post #AQtUaxoiKdcEuYU69A by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-12-23T02:36:33Z
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@mlncn @foxhkron so going by that standard we're looking at like 5 people per car for 200 cars rather than 625
(DIR) Post #AQtUayDArhBK8PvdGy by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-23T09:29:08.001Z
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@carcinopithecus@x0r.be @mlncn@social.coop In rush-hour, trains and trams tend to be crammed though, where as car occupancy is still about 1.5 people. :flan_shrug:
(DIR) Post #AQtUgyNJAcK8NZWyiO by PhoenixCelt@mastodon.ie
2022-12-23T01:48:44Z
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@foxhkron I want trams (or street cars for Americans) back in more towns & cities.
(DIR) Post #AQtUkZ6L4yFj9WJ4j2 by rcopelander@mastodon.world
2022-12-23T01:28:24Z
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@notes @foxhkron and while we're at it,,,, end all billionaires.
(DIR) Post #AQtUnz5cuXeKchbV32 by socketwench@hackers.town
2022-12-23T01:26:28Z
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@notes @foxhkron Oh, hey, my old rant.
(DIR) Post #AQtUrXLW0H4xjgjIMC by mayor@smugglersbbs.com
2022-12-23T01:24:25Z
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@notes @foxhkron yes yes yes!!!!!
(DIR) Post #AQtexeQLbFVyy0Xmoi by ainmosni@berlin.social
2022-12-23T11:21:47Z
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@notes @foxhkron Berlin's U/S bahn system goes so often that I really never check when they go.Every 5 minutes is perfect, and it even makes transfers pleasant.
(DIR) Post #AQuBmv58cfelvs78PA by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-23T17:33:16Z
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@notes Until I got my driver's license at age 21, I didn't know better than taking public transit.Even now that we're 3 years down the road I still take public transit pretty often because it's often a lot cheaper, less tiring and doesn't require me to worry about parking n shit.@foxhkron
(DIR) Post #AQuBzoGnGEjQZOiE08 by notes@social.coop
2022-12-23T17:35:37Z
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@finlaydag33k I am older ow, but got my license late too. I rode a skateboard and biked and took busses or walked everywhere. If I lived somewhere with reliable public transit, I'd switch to that. It is way more affordable and easy on the environment.
(DIR) Post #AQuCWq23jHpbalZNMu by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-23T17:41:35Z
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@notes I live in The Netherlands.Outside the occasional problems (like a bus being late or a train having issues), it's pretty reliable here.Most of the people that complain about it not being reliable are those that did not properly plan ahead and have their transition between trains (or busses) rely on the train being strictly on time (rather than planning a few minutes of leeway)
(DIR) Post #AQuCliLmZZRc6vt97I by notes@social.coop
2022-12-23T17:44:12Z
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@finlaydag33k I live out in the Wild West of the US. A car is essential. It doesn't have to be, but that is how it is designed.
(DIR) Post #AQuEgNUKuSgfrvTMMC by anjum@mstdn.io
2022-12-23T18:05:34Z
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@foxhkron
(DIR) Post #AQuGadX0Y5N1nR71SS by DanielRigal@mastodon.lol
2022-12-23T18:10:39Z
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@foxhkronWhat's this train that fits 250 people per car? I'm guessing something with double length, double deck articulated cars? (Not that it undermines the point being made here either way. A very conventional 10 car train can easily carry 1,000 people when COVID distancing isn't a consideration.)
(DIR) Post #AQuGaenLqo2PiPlaZU by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-23T18:26:55.384Z
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@DanielRigal@mastodon.lol Their definition for "train car" was somewhat broad. But the fact remains that all those people fit in one train.
(DIR) Post #AQuGe6t5rLmniC6CES by notes@social.coop
2022-12-23T17:52:23Z
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A related meme showing passenger train tracks, US versus EU.
(DIR) Post #AQuGjXA3bP06e6cUK0 by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-23T18:28:05.606Z
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@finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza @notes@social.coop I love public transit. I wish it were available near my home.
(DIR) Post #AQuGnMI3xhE45ZBjCi by brianstorms@mastodon.social
2022-12-23T16:48:14Z
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@notes @foxhkron Completely agree. I would love to be able to travel between to any two cities in the US by affordable, comfortable, wifi-plentiful, high-tech, modern high-speed trains operating on smooth-riding modern rails that weren't installed in say 1898. And I agree about cities: design them as if cars didn't exist or carried a negative social stigma. Also, sustainable power generation everywhere in micro-grids providing cheap clean reliable energy to hyperlocal communities all over.
(DIR) Post #AQuGyWVoIXOeyawTho by revfry@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-23T16:51:07Z
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@notes @foxhkron the problem is, in America it's all about self. And not community. No one wants to put any money into something that isn't just for them. "Why spend my money on someone else?!" It's a shame.
(DIR) Post #AQuGyXMH9TMdbJUNU0 by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-23T18:31:14.974Z
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@revfry@social.linux.pizza @notes@social.coop That reminds me a lot of spiral dynamics. America is pretty much the orange category and individualist, whereas Western Europe feels a bit more green, community-oriented
(DIR) Post #AQuH2BhLcqVNa75Ohk by upstater66@mstdn.social
2022-12-23T16:20:33Z
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@notes @foxhkron it would be nice but not in this country in our lifetime. Unfortunate but true.
(DIR) Post #AQuH2CUcfdv82w8kVc by notes@social.coop
2022-12-23T16:31:10Z
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@upstater66US shithole status promises to become more and more apparent. I think some commented asking why the meme shows a Russian train. How would I, a resident of a shithole country know the difference? We don’t have anything like this here that I have ever seen. @foxhkron
(DIR) Post #AQuHKUwqnEIqUs4Iwi by wesdym@mastodon.social
2022-12-23T18:33:09Z
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@notes @foxhkron Yep. It's understandable why rich people hope that magical cars will solve everything. But they can't, due to immutable laws of physics. Cars take too much space on their own. Some form of transit is essential to urban living -- and VASTLY more efficient, economical, and environmentally sound.
(DIR) Post #AQuHTAnD6GGIalhCc4 by droopus@masto.ai
2022-12-23T18:26:19Z
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@notes @foxhkron The US (particularly California) used to have excellent public transportation. Then as cars became more common, the tracks were ripped out and the US has some of the worst public transport in the world. China is decades ahead of the US, with mag-lev trains being built countrywide. Japan is working with trains that go 300 mph. Even the UK had Intercity125 trains in the late 80’s. The US is an embarrassment, with slow trains and roads like LA’s 405-jammed.
(DIR) Post #AQuHTBD5Y2xht1nrwu by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-23T18:36:47.087Z
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@droopus@masto.ai @notes@social.coop We Germans joke a lot about our public transport network, but we still seem miles ahead of public transport in the US
(DIR) Post #AQuJJ9Gy62YitFxk0G by revfry@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-23T18:44:27Z
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@foxhkron @notes I'm not familiar with spiral dynamics. But I will be visiting Norway this next year and I plan to take note of and enjoy the differences.
(DIR) Post #AQuJJ9mAE3VqS0Yecy by notes@social.coop
2022-12-23T18:55:41Z
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@revfry It's worth being familiar with. It's helpful in looking at different psychologies and social systems. https://medium.com/illumination-curated/10-things-you-must-know-about-spiral-dynamics-c68bf16b6fa8@foxhkron
(DIR) Post #AQuOvOdrtws5KfjOmO by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-23T20:00:29Z
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@notes Ah yea fair... A friend of mine lives in the USA as well and if I have to see her neighboor hood compared to ours? Yea, I understand why PT isn't as viable there as it is here...Some really dumb decisions were made over there...
(DIR) Post #AQuPEw2tvnRyQzkzQW by finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-23T20:03:57Z
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@foxhkron F.I have 3 busstops within a few minutes from my home + a small train station as well which connects me to Arnhem CS (which is a decently major hub in The Netherlands).@notes
(DIR) Post #AQuThRNtPNJPYQQJgu by notes@social.coop
2022-12-23T20:53:59Z
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@finlaydag33k The automobile industry happened.
(DIR) Post #AQvd4MEnnq2Szx8Mee by angel@triptico.com
2022-12-24T09:45:28Z
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While I totally agree on the message, if cars are used at their full capacity (5 people), you only need 1000 / 5 = 200 cars to move a thousand people, not 625.
(DIR) Post #AQvd4MoFg2OYltifuS by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-24T10:13:20.722Z
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@angel@triptico.com Do you ever see cars used to their full capacity, especially when there is lots of traffic?
(DIR) Post #AQxvrMk0uHSeExAfmS by KaiMauracher@troet.cafe
2022-12-25T12:48:05Z
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@foxhkron Hach immer diese Milch-Mädchen-Rechnungen...als ob Alle das gleiche Ziel hätten . 🤷🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #AQxvrNBJGnINbbwTKK by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-25T12:53:29.169Z
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@KaiMauracher@troet.cafe Es ist sinnvoll die Personen mit dem selben Ziel zu kombinieren, statt eines Individualverkehrs mit gerade mal 1,5 Personen Auslastung pro Auto. Außerdem gibt es ja nicht nur einen Zug mit einem Ziel. :blobcatshrug:
(DIR) Post #AQy63Ra5jjwUGevbc0 by brocolie@tech.lgbt
2022-12-25T14:46:27Z
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@foxhkron 625 cars is being very generous for the cars for 1000 people
(DIR) Post #AQy9mQBS4wWKpMXdxY by LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club
2022-12-25T15:29:38Z
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@foxhkron 4 carts... 1000 people... sure.A humane cart has 88 seats, but I saw the trains you're talking of before.
(DIR) Post #AQyAEIDJIwkqDWhWlM by Koekepan@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-25T15:34:43.107566Z
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@GLFC @foxhkron Seattle has so many problems.Instead of one or two really good, comprehensive transit solutions, they have - what, half a dozen? There's link, the trolley, buses, ferries, the sounder, the monorail - and they are all disparate because of local topography, and terribly disjointed planning. Rail has hard limits to slope handling (leave funicular solutions out because they don't exist), the monorail goes on one line, and basically hardly even does that, link is great for the airport or MLK but irrelevant throughout most of the region, this goes double for Sounder, and the buses are great if you have a Kindle and a lot of reading to get through before you reach your destination.They make more sense if viewed through the lens of creating excuses to raise taxes, rather than actually achieve anything.As an added cherry on the shit sundae, Seattle's notoriously car-hostile (and vandals like the Critical Mass idiots don't help) which is bad for business on top of everything else.Thank the powers of darkness I'm long out of there. I don't see them unfucking themselves for a decade at least.
(DIR) Post #AQyJ92upecCauWdBT6 by NZyniker@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T17:11:07Z
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@foxhkron Where 1,000 people need to go (15 examples)?
(DIR) Post #AQyJ93hkijKlMFWFii by NZyniker@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T17:12:16Z
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@foxhkron Where those 1,000 people can go using busses:
(DIR) Post #AQyJ94ZzT4ie4StZGC by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-25T17:14:24.204Z
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@NZyniker@mastodon.social Hamburg does have S-Bahn and trams tho, and a pretty good network in my experience
(DIR) Post #AQyJ98bCWW42XNUahc by NZyniker@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T17:13:40Z
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@foxhkron Where those 1,000 people can go using one train:
(DIR) Post #AQyJfUv54Ttd1wDnBw by NZyniker@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T17:16:35Z
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@foxhkron Now let's put them together to demonstrate the issue:
(DIR) Post #AQyJfVKbXaJSJ6AAyW by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-25T17:20:16.272Z
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@NZyniker@mastodon.social That's not the entire public transport network of Hamburg.
(DIR) Post #AQyKV4BFjRQx9tNLkm by NZyniker@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T17:28:18Z
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@foxhkron No, but the premise was that ALL 1,000 people use THE SAME train or bus line - which means they need to have the same destination.Which most of them don't.That's the point.If my neighbor goes to Munich and I go to Cologne, I don't care about 998 other people going to Berlin - which means it takes at least 3 trains to fit 1,000 people (that include me and my neighbor) in, right?
(DIR) Post #AQyKV4nBSPm73X7dsO by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-25T17:29:34.982Z
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@NZyniker@mastodon.social The point is to combine the people who are using the same route in one train, instead of 1.5 people per car (which is already a very generous assumption)
(DIR) Post #AQyLTqDgFiFtWZUUfQ by NZyniker@mastodon.social
2022-12-25T17:36:38Z
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@foxhkron At what cost?I have a monthly task (which is kind of the Norderstedt-Ahrensburg route).What would you as my boss say, if I had to spend almost 6 (!) hours to complete it by public transportation instead of merely 2 hours by car?How would you like paying 150 Euros for me sitting or standing around and doing literally nothing productive for 6 hours of company time, if the task itself could be done costing you only 50 Euros?
(DIR) Post #AQyLTqeycE5ctEGIDI by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-25T17:40:34.521Z
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@NZyniker@mastodon.social I think you interpreted me wrong. I don't want you to abandon your car, as you're clearly reliant on it (exactly like me, I have any public transport near my home). I'd rather force the government to build a better public transport network so that we don't have to rely on cars. And other countries show that this is definitely possible. I don't want to take away your car.
(DIR) Post #AQyMwdc6IhRUmNCyjQ by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-25T17:40:58.277Z
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@NZyniker@mastodon.social I think you interpreted me wrong. I don't want you to abandon your car, as you're clearly reliant on it (exactly like me, I don't have any public transport near my home). I'd rather force the government to build a better public transport network so that we don't have to rely on cars. And other countries show that this is definitely possible. I don't want to take away your car.
(DIR) Post #AR57DFkA3zaSVibBwG by jesusmargar@mastodon.social
2022-12-28T23:57:03Z
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@foxhkron while I am in favour of public transport, this data doesn’t add up. 1000 people in 625 cars means most of those cars go with 1 person. A 4 cars train having 1000 people mean 250 people per train. I am not sure which kind of train we are talking here but no British train car has 250 seats and I don’t think they reach even 100. 15 buses holding 1000 people mean 66 people per bus. Again, this is assuming maximum legal occupation. No cheating at solitaire, please.
(DIR) Post #AR57DGFMC0Xa4TC6Yy by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-12-29T00:03:39.978Z
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@jesusmargar@mastodon.social 1) They were stretching the definition of train car, I was told that this "250 train car" they are referring to is actually multiple train cars but they refer to it as one unit; but the train in question can actually transport 1000 people2) Occupancy in trains is high in rush-hour, whereas occupancy in cars stays the same, only the number of cars changes; assuming that a car has a occupancy of 1.5 is already very generous.
(DIR) Post #AX8zzNMcSjpESfF8sq by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2023-06-28T05:49:09Z
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@foxhkron This feels so misleading!! Let's do some elementary school math:Train: 1000/4 = 250Bus: 1000/15 = 66.67Car: 1000/625 = 1.6First off, which train car can take 250 people? It should be one hell of a train!Second, are we talking about full capacity or normal day time passenger head count? If we consider full capacity, each car can take 4 to 5 passengers (back seat usually have three seat belts) so we only need 200 cars. 🧵👇
(DIR) Post #AX8zzOD5JfnD5Nn2f2 by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2023-06-28T05:54:41Z
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🧵👆@foxhkron Also according to Wikipedia, a "passenger railroad car":> Passenger cars have increased greatly in size from their earliest versions, with modern bi-level passenger cars capable of carrying over 100 passengers.Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_railroad_carSo 1000/150 = 6.67 train cars for double decker car!🧵👇
(DIR) Post #AX8zzOzIQQMDUuLXo8 by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2023-06-28T05:59:02Z
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🧵👆@foxhkronSo 1000/50 = 20 train passenger carsI don't understand why when people are making infographics, they have to exaggerate and lie when the **real** and accurate number can have practically the same effect!!Also it is a shame that generally hundreds or thousands of people see these but they don't do a quick sanity check to see if the numbers they see match their real life experience. Real shame! This lack of motivation for fact checking is how politicians are ruling!
(DIR) Post #AX8zzPkRb84Tr8PCIS by tecoholic@social.arunmozhi.in
2023-06-28T08:12:36.640Z
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@Mehrad@fosstodon.org @foxhkron@cybre.club I think you might have taken the infographic a little too literally. If the calculations were made based on ridership and that would mean people not travelling end to end, but getting on and off in the middle, the calculations wouldn’t seem like a mistake.
(DIR) Post #AX915XGieK7Ys8z6P2 by sa0bse@chaos.social
2023-06-28T06:26:32Z
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@gaige Are you saying that train services are bad in Norway? Because I would like to know. I've read that there's really nice train routes in Norway. For example Oslo-Trondheim or Oslo-Bergen. @foxhkron
(DIR) Post #AX9EXJVIidSHh5Ng3c by kopio@mas.to
2023-06-28T10:40:32Z
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@foxhkron one train for 1000 travellers? Must have packed like dead sardines in tin can.
(DIR) Post #AX9EXKHVpO1I6bwBCi by foxhkron@cybre.club
2023-06-28T10:57:10.705Z
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@kopio@mas.toAs one in this thread pointed out:this train is operating in Italy and carries 840 ppl with 4 cars setup (counting seated and standing passengers) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treno_ad_alta_frequentazione And German ICEs max out at about 900 passengers, so 1000 doesn't seem that unrealistic -- especially if you enter double-deck trains into the equation (which German ICEs are not)
(DIR) Post #AX9UKigBP7hhHCUHz6 by erik@photog.social
2023-06-28T10:38:31Z
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@foxhkron And what does it take to move 1000 people to a train station?! 🤦🏻♂️. Not everyone lives in or near big cities and stations. Always these apple and oranges comparisons …
(DIR) Post #AX9UKjKays1vIXOYyW by foxhkron@cybre.club
2023-06-28T13:54:10.758Z
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@erik@photog.social Regional train stops, tram stops or bus stops can offer connections to long-distance train hubs. All of which could be possible in less-populated areas, with enough support from the local populous.