Post AQgSh9aMlPyiBX7NsO by coyote@pl.lain.sh
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(DIR) Post #AQgQ3XUyEkH6rGZq7s by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T02:01:42Z
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Great article on female founders. We need more, especially in #tech and #cybersecurity #womenincybersecurity #womenintech #femalefounders https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2022/12/13/look-past-todays-metrics-to-celebrate-the-growth-of-female-founders/
(DIR) Post #AQgQ3Y0sK7nOSDVJr6 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T02:07:09.566546Z
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Why? What's better about a female founder?
(DIR) Post #AQgRGM7HxwkDHCAvlg by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T02:10:42Z
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@djsumdog read the article - some great reasons and stats cited, including that we do our homework and research
(DIR) Post #AQgRGMfJvPxyyk66oS by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T02:20:40.580532Z
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I did read it and I asked you a question. Why does it matter if there’s a female founder?Female founders, including transgender women, as well as nonbinary individualsSo men … who imagine themselves as women … is equal to … actual women :blobcatwhat: Female founders also have more household and caregiving responsibilities than men:Well you just invalided that previous point there with the conflation … plus the female startup founds I know don’t have children; they sacrificed that for their careers. Look, I’m for anyone who puts in the crazy effort to start a company and make it work. That’s impressive. I’ve never been able to do it. But it doesn’t fucking matter if you’re a man or a woman or a 16 year old with no life. Hard shit is hard. And the people who do it successfully sacrifice a lot. Why not appreciate all of them, no matter who they are, what color they are, what gender they are, what gender they think they are, or any other characteristic out of their control.The vast majority of people don’t become startup founders because we just want to chill with our friends and ride bikes and play video games and enjoy the holidays. I don’t see why you praise x psycho because they’re of a particular group that use to be smart enough not to sacrifice their life to become a corpo overlord.
(DIR) Post #AQgSh9aMlPyiBX7NsO by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-12-17T02:36:41.884625Z
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@melindamarks @djsumdog > we do our homework and research:pain:
(DIR) Post #AQgV1buvKxv9kncGK8 by meowski@fluf.club
2022-12-17T03:02:47.139836Z
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@djsumdog @melindamarks lol women btfo again. they had to include trannies just to boost their numbers
(DIR) Post #AQgb8ne8j3j3sqZpAW by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T03:48:07Z
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@djsumdog well i find it surprising that you would question why it matters that a founder is female when I shared an article celebrating women for being good company founders with stats on how unfortunately they are still a minority.
(DIR) Post #AQgb8o5n4FqNGbVuGe by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T04:11:15.378412Z
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I am asking you the question: why should it matter?We never talk about fixing the lack of representation of women working on oil rigs. We never talk about the lack of representation of women working on garbage trucks.“I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character” -MLKingIf there was some huge barrier to entry, then we could say, yes it’s good there are more female startup founders. But there’s not a big barrier to entry. If anything, everyone wants more female startup founders, so it’s significantly easier for them to get VC funding (and yes, I’ve seen this happen in startup incubators).10 years ago there were big name female CEOs (Carly Fiorina at HP and Denise Morrison of Cambels come to mind), and back then when they made it, it meant something. If anything, it literally means less now due to subsidiaries to meet diversity goals, and well as men playing dressup and calming they represent women in those positions as well.There are not a lot of people, men and women, in general who successfully start and maintain their own business. It’s pretty fucking hard stuff. Julia Gilard didn’t make it as a PM, and I don’t fault her. She was a stern bitch, and yet she wasn’t cutthroat enough to survive in Australian politics .. Margarete Thatcher did make it as a PM (and people can’t seem to shut up about it). But who do you think is likely happier in the end? Why not appreciate people who make it, no matter who or what they are? What they happen to be born as is meaningless.
(DIR) Post #AQgbVnMNxMpPejEmTQ by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-12-17T04:15:34.086337Z
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Carly was a trashfire too.
(DIR) Post #AQgd0rpdTqeuSLIc8u by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T04:32:19.068855Z
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How so? I think the last thing I read about her was in The Dictator’s Handbook about the struggle of keeping a company together; but I don’t recall the specific examples.
(DIR) Post #AQgdRaxOKSQHwEfhmS by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T04:33:24Z
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@djsumdog well you're kind of proving the point then. If there are few women working on oil rigs, don't you appreciate the few women working in oil rigs? What's wrong with celebrating the minorities? I can't tell if you're trying to say women are less capable, because if that's what you're saying you're wrong.
(DIR) Post #AQgdRbSETn5pTt6Kqu by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T04:37:08.977376Z
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Why do you think there are fewer women working on oil rigs?
(DIR) Post #AQge6UR9TVTtad5lc8 by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T04:40:53Z
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@djsumdog so you're saying people should be judged by gender after a very long comment saying we shouldn't care about the gender of cofounders?
(DIR) Post #AQge6UtVm4AN0aMPom by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T04:44:31.475908Z
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I wasn’t saying anything. I was asking a question. Your question kinda shows how you didn’t understand .. the question.Let’s try it this way: why celebrate minorities? If all men are created equal, and endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, then why is the minority doing x more impressive than someone not a minority doing x?Honestly, celebrating a minority in a particular field sounds condescending. You’re treating them as special because they’re a different color or race or sex? And it’s not all minorities is it? An Indian man or Chinese woman working as a software engineer isn’t as diverse as a white female is it? Be honest.That’s some pandering bullshit. That’s why we have the term diversity hire and impostor syndrome.
(DIR) Post #AQgeAmPaaSHeUoPH6m by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T04:45:19.057495Z
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*Chinese man
(DIR) Post #AQghpWSr5Duilu3NwG by GLFC@rojogato.com
2022-12-17T05:26:23.190038Z
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@djsumdog dang, this looks like a great thread, but I'm only seeing djsumdog's side.
(DIR) Post #AQgk4HvhbZjzweiOnY by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T05:51:22.406271Z
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I guess infosec dot exchange blocks you?You can see the thread on my instance: https://djsumdog.com/@melindamarks@infosec.exchange/posts/AQgPrMKfOEfrSG8vXUor the full one on theirs: https://infosec.exchange/@melindamarks/109526548635711393
(DIR) Post #AQgkb6QtN5FzqOx1ns by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-12-17T05:57:21.277934Z
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@melindamarks @djsumdog lmao at least follow the conversation melinda
(DIR) Post #AQglJvGhj7LCFYYdFI by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T05:02:05Z
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@djsumdog oh i totally understand that. I blogged about that in my women in cybersecurity blog. We don't want recognition for being a woman in cyber, we want recognition for our abilities and can compete with men just fine. But I agree with the article because women are just as capable if not more so to be cofounders, yet women are under represented. That was the point of the article, which you either missed or you don't think they deserve the job because it's pandering. I get your PoV, we just disagree.
(DIR) Post #AQglJvjlz2aphi9qYS by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T06:05:24.362511Z
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I agree with the article because women are just as capable if not more so to be cofounders, yet women are under represented..and I think this is why you misunderstood my oil worker question. Why are women not evenly represented on oil rigs? Because they don’t want those jobs. They’re terrible jobs, requiring months away from home, and back breaking labor. Honestly most men don’t want these jobs. They take them because they need the money, or need to provide for a family, or don’t have the intellectual capacity to do anything else, or a combination of those.I blogged about that … Send me the post. I’ll read it. I’ll even trade you an article from my blog that goes into my points that I think will challenge your world viewhttps://battlepenguin.com/politics/diversity-is-a-litmus-test/We don’t want recognition for being a woman in cyber..and yet you’re posting an article that specifically recognizes women in a particular area, just because they’re women.I hated the cubical when I originally got in. But “you gotta do what you gotta do,” right?I think my point is, no matter how much you might want to dismiss it, men and women are fundamentally different. We have different biological strengths and weaknesses, different driving forces. And although there are outliers that break their molds here and there, the social gender roles did evolve for evolutionary fitness reasons. Societies evolve just like biology.There were always lots of small businesses owned by women. It takes grit and determination, for men and women. But the tech sector, in trying to make everything about diversity, is really creating a weird world of exclusive inclusivity
(DIR) Post #AQglqlR3J5NFJF3e2i by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-12-17T06:11:23.232804Z
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So the tl;dr is, the Compaq merger, the massive layoffs, the outsourcing, the bad choices at HP (the Agilent spinoff and their eventually spinning off of divisions, the entire Compaq merger, IA64/Integrity), and whatnot were such a shitshow that not only did they pay her to leave, but when they announced she was gone everyone at the company was celebrating. Like office parties and shit instantly over this. Her tenure sunk her presidential runs, it's that tainted.
(DIR) Post #AQgmWisdCHu3Xyxtdg by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T06:18:54.386076Z
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okay .. yes ... this all sounds familiar now. I've read up on some of this. Side tangent on IA64, that was an evil demon baby for anyone to inherit. Intel engineers pretty much tainted the concept of VLIW architecture forever with that architecture.
(DIR) Post #AQgmgHULtRpfUPANcm by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-12-17T06:20:40.555550Z
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I have an IA64 system. The compilers are literally braindead, especially on Windows since the Windows port was very jank. Because of the high price of used hardware due to OpenVMS, the Linux port fell apart as well on it and has no interest.Also HP was actually partly responsible for that. No really. HP intended to replace HPPA with it and then Intel worked on it too.
(DIR) Post #AQgmp8JhMaW5eLP7js by CumskinFoidPuncher69420@beefyboys.win
2022-12-17T04:17:21.121578Z
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Every woman in tech (especially "infosec") tells me the field has been completely and utterly infiltrated by spooks. Blackpill
(DIR) Post #AQgmw9352Yh1wlyUjI by Nudhul@shitposter.club
2022-12-17T06:23:37.434034Z
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@djsumdog @melindamarks petrolium engineers make assloads of money tbh
(DIR) Post #AQheiySAW8LCqWsVg8 by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T07:04:48Z
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@djsumdog lol I am arguing with someone who was reading The Dictator's Handbook
(DIR) Post #AQheiywIi6RaLyyZe4 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T16:26:13.114253Z
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What’s wrong with reading The Dictator’s Handbook: Why Bad Behavior is Almost Always Good Politics (Mesquita/Smith)? It’s a fairly decent book about selectorate theory. … or are you making assumptions based on the name. Do you know what it’s about?
(DIR) Post #AQhg7ekP1K3yvIjxCK by melindamarks@infosec.exchange
2022-12-17T07:19:32Z
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@djsumdog I can guarantee you that a woman working on an oil rig is a badass and absolutely deserves credit. So you are saying that you don't like the article because men make better company founders? This is exactly why this type of article is good - to challenge your dated views that women aren't suited for these roles. Women are better educated and more qualified than ever, and, as the article states, they often make better leaders/cofounders. You realize how hard it is to run a company - so why not celebrate women leaders (and oil rig workers) who break down these misconceptions that women aren't suited for these types of roles? My blog series is here https://www.esg-global.com/women-in-cybersecurity and I barely scratch the surface of how many amazing women there are in cybersecurity (several in the series are CEOs), yet we still face misconceptions about whether we're qualified for these roles.
(DIR) Post #AQhg7fDpFvbCOYVS3k by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-12-17T16:41:54.246154Z
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I can guarantee you that a woman working on an oil rig is a badassYou can guarantee this? Really? I mean, yes it could be a Rosie the Riveter type of woman working on a rig, or it could also be a fuck-up diversity hire that can’t pull her weight that everyone hates. The individual status of someone shouldn’t be celebrated just because of his or her identity, but rather by what they do.So you are saying that you don’t like the article because men make better company founders?When did I ever make that argument?Women are better educated and more qualified … they often make better leaders/cofoundersNow that is sexism. Why would a woman make a better leader? Why would a man make a better leader? I’ve met a lot of terrible, god awful software engineers. A lot of them were men (because there are more of us in the field statistically) and a good chunk were women. I’ve met really good engineers who are men, and really good engineers that are women. I’ve had some amazing managers and product engineers who were men and some who were women. I’ve also had a few god awful managers .. same deal.What I’m getting at, is that the accomplishments of an individual is much more valuable than any group identity. “The smallest minority on earth is the individual.”-Ayn Rand
(DIR) Post #AQhjETsa7r3d6dVnDU by meowski@fluf.club
2022-12-17T17:16:40.551613Z
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@melindamarks @djsumdog "whether women are qualified for these roles" [cybersecurity]part of the issue, and why you find it necessary to write absolute statements like this, is frankly that the female brain, being more emotional, often has trouble understanding distributionswhen you're talking about a field that is 90+% male, your brain automatically hits the rails and assumes that anyone who acknowledges this bias is saying that ZERO women are qualified for a position. we're just acknowledging sex differences and this isn't because of some patriarchal conspiracy, it's because women self-select out of these roles. they have every opportunity in western society to rise to the top. the glass ceiling is bullshitwomen CEOs are some of the most miserable people i've ever met. some jobs are very competitive and people in them are downright predatory. this is not how the typical mind of a female worksi just fired a female client who runs a fairly large company due to her emotional outbursts- same as i would have for a male client