Post AQcMx5mdI7JEfXEVCS by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
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(DIR) Post #AQbozrz1ew96IPBNFA by monkeyninja@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T03:14:23Z
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I saw this post from @BlackAzizAnansi that Mastodon remains an overwhelmingly white space and I can't refute that, but I'm angry that it is this way. My experience in tech is that there's no shortage of black talent or black voices, there's a shortage of black opportunity and space due to racism. I see that reflected here. I feel like if we want a #blackmastodon then we can't be passive about this, we have to be intentionally inclusive, intentionally anti-racist. It's not enough to just support.
(DIR) Post #AQbozsbJMalqD95wv2 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:21:44Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I mean, look, the complaints from those who say that Mastodon is too unwelcoming for POC always say things like "Mastodon must, Mastodon has to, Mastodon mastodon." But Mastodon isn't Twitter. Mastodon isn't a billionaire tech behemoth. That's the whole point of Mastodon. Expecting Mastodon to be another trillion dollar tech multinational and acting like if it was, it would be perfect, is just trying the same thing over again and expecting different results.
(DIR) Post #AQbozt1tlk2PXbXBMO by BlackAzizAnansi@mas.to
2022-12-14T04:25:41Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja You skipped the whole part where folks are lectured about instances like that's the problem and told to start their own if they don't like constant condescension and content policing.
(DIR) Post #AQboztQMInbUlSyiUC by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:53:52Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja But on the topic of "lectured about instances," what do you think about blacktwitter.io ?
(DIR) Post #AQboztsibMHyBQFMgq by monkeyninja@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T18:09:59Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi This thread is depressing. The post of yours I saw just asked folks to reflect on why this remains an overwhelmingly white space, nothing more. The bar is so fucking low! Folks couldn't even do that one thing! Instead of seeing that as a problem I just see people asking if you want to try "X" solution that has been tried a million times before. This bar is so low it's a tripping hazard in Hell and we've got people asking if you've tried dancing limbo with the devil to fix it.
(DIR) Post #AQboztt4a2ZYCWPeF6 by BlackAzizAnansi@mas.to
2022-12-14T05:02:57Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja yes
(DIR) Post #AQbozuKivEgraHLjLE by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T05:05:25Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja i'm not sure what you mean by yes like, are you familiar with it, is there something you see wrong with it, is it a good thing, or a bad thing, etc.?and i imagine there are others that exist but it's the one i'm most familiar with.
(DIR) Post #AQbozudVnNieWY8jcu by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:23:33Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi and honestly I simply can't accept "the only way to fix Mastodon is to make it more like Twitter or Facebook." Suckling the teat of greedy billionaires just can't be a solution to any social ills. It itself *is* the core fundamental origin of of the biggest social ills we face as it is.
(DIR) Post #AQbozurKxymJDQbmAy by kweerious@hachyderm.io
2022-12-14T16:11:34Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Each thread on this topic is like Groundhogs Day.White person: have you tried asking more black people to join? Created a black specific instance, you know your own ghetto or whatever? Did you know you can block and defederate?Black person: sigh...have you considered that maybe people problems don't have basic ass technical solutions?
(DIR) Post #AQbozvR8orPz0TMMz2 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T20:50:59Z
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@kweerious @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi If that's true then there's literally nothing we can do and the discussion isn't going anywhere in terms of solving anything, and mostly just leading to more conflict and discouragement. I'd like to think it isn't true though. I'm not sure how many choirs need to be preached to to make progress without, like, practical actions to undertake. Sadly I don't think we're going to change the world today and that really seems to be the root issue.
(DIR) Post #AQbpisMv4b1mWRoqps by Fleurcode@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T17:05:59Z
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@kweerious @ssfckdt @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi while i understand it perfectly, what do you suggest people do? Mastodon can't do like Twitter did and make an algorithm for this, nor can it enforce its rules on all instances, it can only defederate them. Say an actual solution here. The only feasible solution i see is beefing with the government and not some random social media
(DIR) Post #AQbpitEnqG85DZ1sp6 by kweerious@hachyderm.io
2022-12-14T17:20:53Z
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@Fleurcode @ssfckdt @BlackAzizAnansi Have you ever had a chat with a friend about something bothering you that was hard to rationalize about then your friend rattles off a list of obvious things you already dismissed and you just wanted them to...listen and feel the bad thing with you for a beat?You want solutions now. Maybe because this is uncomfortable for you. I just want to get to a basic understanding before it even feels safe to proceed.
(DIR) Post #AQbpiuE8AFBaHlirPk by Fleurcode@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T17:26:25Z
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@kweerious @ssfckdt @BlackAzizAnansi I ask for a solution because black people will never be safe until anti-racism is the dominant thought process. Not just non-racist but anti-racist, I've been hearing this conversation for a long while, i have been on... All of the spectrum tbh, i just want people to be happy, and that cannot be done without a solution. I will listen, but i want a sense that the conversation is going somewhere, it feels stuck for 3 decades
(DIR) Post #AQbpiucEicT5UX06zI by kweerious@hachyderm.io
2022-12-14T19:41:59Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode it is stuck but actually being able to talk about it safely is necessary to enabling any solution. Black folks aren't feeling a safe and welcoming vibe here. Change that first.
(DIR) Post #AQbpiv27APAUmn6mK8 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T20:56:28Z
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@kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode If expressing a different perspective in response is the problem, then, damn..I'm not trying to attack, I'm trying to reconcile concerns without resorting to autocratic authority. That never goes well. If I didn't give a fuck I'd just ignore. We hear and we wanna know what is wanted and what can be done that actually like... doesn't come back to the same old failed non solutions like elite cabals running the show again
(DIR) Post #AQbpx4r9RQ5hJ2jQ8G by vmatinnia@mstdn.party
2022-12-14T15:31:53Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @ssfckdt #BlackVoicesOnMastadon #SpreadTheWord #MakeItBetter. how can we change this for the better? We need Black voices, we need our families. It doesn’t have to become another twitter or Facebook. It can be so much better. I’m asking family and friends to join. Can it be that simple?
(DIR) Post #AQbqoDTg7M97OQ5hVQ by chudbere@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-14T21:13:26.692360Z
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I had a friend who used to constantly complain to me about problems in her life on a near-daily basis. For hours I would listen to her vent about even the most tiny of problems which seemed mountainous to her, and try to offer her suggestions and advice on how to improve her situation. I would offer to do things for her to help put this advice into effect, like make phone calls on her behalf or do research into resources for hee.Every time, my ideas were, every single one, always shot down for one reason or another. There would always be some weird or petty reason my suggestion or advice wouldn't work for her. Then she would complain about the same thing the next day. I eventually realized that she did not actually want to change her situation, that she enjoyed the role of being professional victim and that I was basically being used like an emotional garbage dumpster. We don't talk much anymore.This is all to say that sometimes, people don't actually want help or solutions to their problems. They just want to endlessly bitch about them.
(DIR) Post #AQbr70DJemHRl2OaFE by Evma_Alsar@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-14T21:14:49.262346Z
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There's a term for these people. They are emotional vampires, and you are better off without them.
(DIR) Post #AQbr70h5s46FFOKMeu by Charlamagne@poa.st
2022-12-14T21:16:50.672627Z
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@Evma_Alsar @chudbere @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja @ssfckdt It's also the title of a pretty good book on the topic
(DIR) Post #AQbrs3sdqHZEjvAH8i by ShotgunShuffle@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-14T21:25:21.158263Z
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Did you ever think maybe all your problems in life and terrible interactions with other people isn't based solely on race, but rather because you're a whiney loser no one wants to be around?
(DIR) Post #AQbs5eiWCBMikduatk by Charlamagne@poa.st
2022-12-14T21:27:48.569950Z
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@ShotgunShuffle @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja @ssfckdt Chudbuds.lol is a Black Nationalist Instance whose main goal is to destroy White CraKKKer Yakubian Devils
(DIR) Post #AQbsQfrR8bieNd6cCW by SunshineTadpole@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-14T21:31:36.739022Z
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We will eat the cracker
(DIR) Post #AQbwje9q5tLePt11sW by SicSemperTyrannosaurus@chudbuds.lol
2022-12-14T22:18:33.110034Z
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(DIR) Post #AQc9bjznnqerbusi3c by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:17:07Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I honestly think the best way to do that is for more POC to enter the space. Staying out of the space certainly won't help. I mean by definition, if a place is too non-POC, POC staying out of it will only keep it non-POC.I don't know how to bring about the sort of top-down, elite, corporated content management that people dismissing Mastodon seem to want, without fundamentally destroying what Mastodon / fediverse is.It sucks, but the real world is a mess.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bkTa18Tf6GoUTI by monkeyninja@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T14:54:03Z
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@ssfckdt @BlackAzizAnansi When you have a space that isn't welcoming to a group, why would the onus be on that group to make space for themselves? I'm here already, if there's not space at my table then that's on me for not putting out enough chairs. We've got a big table right now, we need to make sure the folks we want seated at it are welcomed and in part we do that by listening and learning how to do that and all I'm hearing over and over is we're not, and that needs to change.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bl0C3sZ6jQ4XJ2 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T20:45:20Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi It's not about onus. It's about what is most likely to be effective. Necessity breeds invention.Are we really learning anything here? Because what I'm hearing is Mastodon has to stop being Mastodon (and more like Twitter) for everyone to be OK with it. There's a philosophy that says there's nothing non POC can do to make the world safe for POC specifically because they are not POC. To even assume that there is something we can do is a white savior mentality.
(DIR) Post #AQc9blZHxOdcUGUZ0a by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T22:59:17Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi what part of "we need to make Mastodon more welcoming to black people and more anti-racist" sounds like "we need to make Mastodon less Mastodon and more like Twitter" to you. You seem to be having two entirely different conversations here. And one of those is not one anyone here has brought up
(DIR) Post #AQc9bmBvdjXwQ6ZQEi by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:03:57Z
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@taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Because one of the most recurring themes regarding where Mastodon doesn't work for people is its lack of a central, monolithic, exclusive moderation authority. By its fundamental nature, #Mastodon won't ever be able to have that. If it did, it would cease to be Mastodon, it would cease to be a network, it would cease to be a #federation or even part of one.Instances can have that, though. And instances are the pedals that make this bike move forward.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bmn9PLJwHXz9Fo by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T23:05:41Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi yes but where was that mentioned in what you're replying to. you seemed to be intentionally derailing the topic there a bit into a whole other meta debate we've been having around here since the twitter migration, but that's not the topic that was being discussed here.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bndGHb0KtAMlTk by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:21:19Z
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@taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Alas, I don't know.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bnyX0W1Bx8JkdE by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:05:23Z
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@taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi And the response has been that instance-driven moderation is insufficient and thematic or cultural instances is a non-starter (despite that it is already a thing, such as with @blacktwitter.io and many others)
(DIR) Post #AQc9bo5GbTPEI1T888 by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-14T23:32:31Z
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@ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi what don't you know. You've gone from sealioning to weaponized incompetence and overt racism within the span of this conversation. What part of "let bipoc people feel welcome" is not only so hard for you to understand, but what part of it makes it so hard to see any of us as people, to the point that you think it's immediately a bad thing for us to feel any sort of welcome in a predominantly white space. Yet again. "You don't know"I think you do know. You're just playing dumb
(DIR) Post #AQc9bofmPic47GYI2i by argonblue@fosstodon.org
2022-12-14T23:37:39Z
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@smollestbunny @ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi yeah, any sufficiently willful (or persistent) ignorance is indistinguishable from malice.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bp9CeK9HaWJmu8 by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-14T23:39:31Z
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@argonblue @ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi oh he's definitely being purposefully malicious. He probably also is wondering how we are able to figure out what he's doing because he thinks anyone other than white people are stupid or some shit. If he answers he will deny this and likely get angry just watch lol
(DIR) Post #AQc9bpaqzWGayHFs0G by ch1m3r4c0mpl3x@mastodon.lol
2022-12-15T00:01:53Z
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@smollestbunny @argonblue @ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Imagine thinking that the correct take is that a whole entire group that's constantly being told to go to a different instance or make their own is to blame for constantly being told to go to a different instance or make their own.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bqMi7aY1Mhe5b6 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:10:27Z
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@ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Please I beg you to find where I said that POC should only exist on an instance. Put it in front of me, I'll happily admit it.Nobody likes being grossly misrepresented, not you not me.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bqwVyTBh9kOgPA by ch1m3r4c0mpl3x@mastodon.lol
2022-12-15T00:22:42Z
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@ssfckdt @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi You said it right here. You didn't explicitly state it in so many words of course, but by reminding us how the federation works, you essentially reminded everyone that they can always go somewhere else.Of course it's not the only option, but it's typically the first one non-POC immediately jump to, and rarely think beyond.https://mastodon.cloud/@ssfckdt/109514525055674480
(DIR) Post #AQc9bsEHBuzP97iNjE by ch1m3r4c0mpl3x@mastodon.lol
2022-12-15T00:22:52Z
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@ssfckdt @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi And frankly, I don't think moving to or creating a new instance should be an option that's presented at all. It's got massive Jim Crow energy.
(DIR) Post #AQc9bsjpIcE6iyTZuC by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:34:02Z
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@ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Well, I respect that opinion. My thought is, leave all options open, especially when it's the primary principle of the environment.I've tried to strive to say that I don't think it's how things should have to be, but only that it might be a faster way for people to get what they are looking for.The world is an ugly mess. I don't like it any better than anyone else, but it's gonna take a while to fix that.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jbv3iOpCsWPoPo by emilyk@babka.social
2022-12-14T23:44:38Z
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@smollestbunny @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @ssfckdt my god this man…“Alas…” These people always have to structure their takes in the most scholarly flowery language they can muster, to hide the sheer stupidity of them.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jcNlzdnGJZqkAi by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-14T23:46:40Z
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@emilyk @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @ssfckdt its weaponized incompetence. He's playing like he doesn't know when it's being spelled out in front of him.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jclsY14lWL7zkG by emilyk@babka.social
2022-12-14T23:49:36Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @smollestbunny @monkeyninja @ssfckdt you know what, there was a guy a couple years ago on the bird site giving advice on how to use that tactic to derail Diversity Training! Act as stupid as you can to prevent anything real from being said!
(DIR) Post #AQc9jdI8c4sd8ODl1k by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-14T23:50:51Z
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@emilyk @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @monkeyninja @ssfckdt the best thing for all of us to do is block him and maybe try get him blocked from the servers. How do we do that? Do we tag fediblock? Idk I've not done this before
(DIR) Post #AQc9jdfBEPJOHr09wW by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:57:18Z
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@smollestbunny @emilyk @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @monkeyninja I think it's super great that you're trying to use a central authority on the fediverse to silence me. What the fuck?
(DIR) Post #AQc9je8bT0qbl6lenw by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:07:09Z
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@ssfckdt @emilyk @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @monkeyninja here comes the anger. Right on time
(DIR) Post #AQc9jeYptTpb4T2bh2 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:07:39Z
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@smollestbunny @emilyk @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @monkeyninja Well, when you insult people, they tend to be upset. Maybe that's just a personal flaw.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jevWX7ymCpej3Y by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:12:44Z
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@ssfckdt #fediblock Mods and admins please read this whole thread. The name tagged above is a guy being overtly racist. Using sealioning and weaponized incompetence as a tactic to derail conversations about letting black and bipoc people feel welcome. He says that making black and brown people feel welcome will make this space "just like twitter" then uses weaponized incompetence to ignore what bipoc people are telling him about how that is wrong. If you read through he has all sorts of very bad takes on this and now is also getting angry that we've noticed and named what he is doing. Please fediblock him from all leftist and anarchist servers. He doesn't deserve a space to speak to us if he's going to waste our time by purposefully derailing the conversation then acting stupid as a way to get away with saying very racist things. Please read the whole thread. Thank you
(DIR) Post #AQc9jfMSuxWvYOGF3A by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:15:26Z
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@smollestbunny This is a lie.I've never said any such thing.If it was somehow interpreted that way, it wasn't remotely what I was trying to convey. That's on me, but I am still lost as to how it could have happened.I've tried to discuss this with @smollestbunny, but they've only seen fit to taunt me and mistrepresent me.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jfu8tkT7Eq18Xg by shiftleftist@hachyderm.io
2022-12-15T00:21:11Z
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@ssfckdt @smollestbunny Your problem here is that you're expending 100% of your energy trying to reword your viewpoint, thinking your wording is the problem, and you just need to dumb down the words so people get it. That's not the problem. The problem is that you legitimately have the wrong idea, and that idea is rooted in experiences irrelevant to BIPOC here. You refuse to listen to people explaining to you why you're not only wrong, but that you're not even talking about the right thing.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jgK1LXAWX67nsW by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:24:30Z
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@shiftleftist @smollestbunny I guess I'm not convinced that people are understanding what I'm trying to say, but just jumping to conclusions based on what *other* people that are *not me* have said. I think that's frustrating for anyone no matter who or what they are.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jgkFm09VqSOklc by shiftleftist@hachyderm.io
2022-12-15T00:26:49Z
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@ssfckdt @smollestbunny Honestly, as someone who's spent plenty of time in your shoes before: I think you're less rational, less in control, and more on autopilot than you realize. Most of the 7 billion people on this planet don't understand you and aren't out there validating you right now. So why is this your hill to die on?
(DIR) Post #AQc9jhBY8VzFD7AYJU by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:30:06Z
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@shiftleftist @smollestbunny You make a valid point. I seem to really like dying on hills. It's only because I sincerely think I have a useful, productive point, and sincerely want things to get better. And then somehow it all goes upend.Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AQc9jiK5uEPqjuAtGq by shiftleftist@hachyderm.io
2022-12-15T00:24:26Z
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@ssfckdt @smollestbunny Just chill. I understand why you might feel attacked when you get called out, but you're literally taking a space where people are talking about being unheard and unsafe, and you're drowning out somebody's whole conversation by making it about you. Nobody owes you a podium or a microphone. Inclusion doesn't mean you get to talk over people.
(DIR) Post #AQcB2sNGrMspMwMTq4 by book@sleepy.cafe
2022-12-15T00:56:08.442515Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! 😭😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #AQcBrQGZ7nggxhKNUm by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:39:02Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja The problem isn't Mastodon, the problem is human beings.If a top-down autocratic authority is the only acceptable answer for someone... then Mastodon will just never be acceptable for them.Idk why there's so much hostility for a new paradigm because it isn't perfect. Twitter certainly isn't perfect is it? It all seems rather Ludditic. It's like learning to ride a bicycle and when told to pedal you just go "no" and demand the bike come with an accelerator.
(DIR) Post #AQcBrQsUqm1qrL4fcO by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:42:00Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja Meanwhile there's lots of marginalized groups finding spaces on Mastodon -- much like the early days of the public internet -- including ones which aren't exactly short on being the recipients of social hostility. They're doing it by carving out spaces and blazing trails, not by arguing Mastodon should become more like Twitter or Facebook. Mastodon exists specifically because those options have turned out to be really bad ones.
(DIR) Post #AQcBrRIjHF0qAhLcVU by BlackAzizAnansi@mas.to
2022-12-14T04:44:43Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja Good for them but the vibes for my community is off.
(DIR) Post #AQcBrRmrTD7Dg9RgTQ by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:50:50Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja There's a fundamental disconnect -- being promoted, unsurprisingly, by corporate media -- in comprehending how Mastodon is different from Twitter et al. People referring to Mastodon as "secretive" (do they think Twitter isn't secretive? Really?) or "asking Mastodon" or "talking to Mastodon" that is trapped in this really feudalistic capitalist thinking in which everything is a corporation, and it's, like, bad. It's akin to "works for BLM" or "works for Antifa."
(DIR) Post #AQcC3Ud6j8ARyDcwTo by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T04:18:37Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi The Internet itself was particularly white for a long time until maybe the mid 00s. How did the Internet change to welcome POC? It didn't. POC came in and that very fact caused it to change. I don't know what you or I can do that would be remotely as effective as that.
(DIR) Post #AQcCIj8z2uZdKRnjE0 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T20:45:35Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Is it unfair for a bicycle to put the onus on me to pedal in order for it to go forward? Or is that simply how bicycles work? If we want to go forward, somebody's got to pedal. And whoever is pedaling better know where it is they want to go forward to.
(DIR) Post #AQcCfNmCeiB5iewsHQ by Binkle@sleepy.cafe
2022-12-15T01:18:21.172981Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi
(DIR) Post #AQcCq5BI8JBnESmlvs by digibrarian@federate.social
2022-12-14T20:24:39Z
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@Fleurcode @kweerious @ssfckdt @BlackAzizAnansi Fleur, I do not feel like you heard what Kweerious just said. This is about listening. What can be done is the listening many times. Black people have every right in the world to express discontent with a world that is repeatedly violent toward them. Unwitting or not, it is an act of aggression to demand Black people posit a solution for someone else's irrational violence. White people have to hold each other accountable. That's it.
(DIR) Post #AQcCq5mrsbFN70MmVE by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T21:21:20Z
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@digibrarian @Fleurcode @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi I don't fault anyone for expressing their perspective and I can only hope they won't fault me for mine either. If people are frustrated in response, it's because we desperately want to know how to make it better.
(DIR) Post #AQcCq6w7bgF8fzhgZ6 by digibrarian@federate.social
2022-12-14T20:47:01Z
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@Fleurcode @kweerious @ssfckdt @BlackAzizAnansi That is my interpretation, but I am open to the idea I have no idea what I am talking about and am misguided...
(DIR) Post #AQcD55M5leQ07GzWsq by Tamaki@mastodon.lol
2022-12-14T20:15:43Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Are we POCs being demanding, or are we being forced to speak out against the oppressive norms just to exist?A Seij Ponchie cartoon
(DIR) Post #AQcD565p1czwP6O3A8 by monkeyninja@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T20:48:18Z
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@Tamaki @ssfckdt @BlackAzizAnansi When oppression is the de facto, the smallest possible ask around space is viewed as too much by the oppressor. That's why any possible permutation of "Oh but have you tried this one thing over here?" will never work. If you reap the benefits on those power structures, it's on you to clear space and make room because no one else will.
(DIR) Post #AQcD56qyCKiClKRheS by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T21:18:10Z
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@monkeyninja @Tamaki @BlackAzizAnansi What's the ask? Ppl are begging, pleading for an actual ask.Is the goal just to share and spread around the frustration being felt? Okay, that's fine. It's working 🙂It's also fine if you don't want to work with non poc to find a solution and GYOW, sincerely. I just honestly don't think lashing out at people is a path to success. You're more than welcome to prove that wrong though. I'm trying to listen and I'm also trying to find the answer. 🤲
(DIR) Post #AQcDAaV5OlEG9up1kG by revolt3d@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T19:47:41Z
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How do you change that? The problem is the people, not the platform. I'm being serious, I really don't know, I'm not just asking questions to be a dick. I just don't think Mastodon can fix this people problem.@kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode
(DIR) Post #AQcDAbRDubjX4E1SMa by dalias@hachyderm.io
2022-12-14T20:14:19Z
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@revolt3d @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode Calls to fix Mastodon are calls to fix collective culture - wetware bugs not software bugs. Just like how we acknowledge that Twitter was the people not the stupid company or domain name, Mastodon isn't the software either. It's a social construct made up of that software and the people using it.
(DIR) Post #AQcDAbtaDAQ0UBI6ZE by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T20:57:42Z
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@dalias @revolt3d @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode And how do you change that without people braving the waters and blazing those trails? Cause I got nothing
(DIR) Post #AQcDAcPqHEDs6ENrqi by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T21:01:52Z
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@dalias @revolt3d @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode and it's not about expectations or requirements it's simply about what worksLike yeah it's shitty that the best solution is for the marginalized to push the boundaries. But that's like.... a universal sociological fact of the human condition. Mastodon, internet, etc didn't make that come about.Twitter was pretty white at one point too. That didn't change because Twitter Inc waved a magic wand. It changed because poc got on Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AQcDAcnEsEwDGnKYJk by Tamaki@mastodon.lol
2022-12-14T21:20:27Z
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@ssfckdt @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @dalias @revolt3d @Fleurcode What allows you to keep your confidence on matters you have no lived experience in, even after so many people asking you to reconsider?What would take for you to concede to the validity of others’ opinion?Is it possible your replies here are the case in point of why it’s so hard for POCs to exist here?
(DIR) Post #AQcDAdH15Wl0l9GKjQ by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T21:35:19Z
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@Tamaki @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @dalias @revolt3d @Fleurcode I don't know what part of what I said prompted this response. Is there something you have asked of me? I'm not great about sitting down and shutting up and I wouldn't ask it of anyone else either.Disagreement isn't silencing, it's dialogue. That's the sort of thing Maga types say. And if you're not looking for dialogue.. shit, social media might not be the ideal outlet.
(DIR) Post #AQcDMRKBL8ENAwNCIC by cvnt@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-15T01:26:09.428571Z
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@ssfckdt @Tamaki @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @dalias @revolt3d @Fleurcode Niggers.
(DIR) Post #AQcDOGux0HmjThRenA by monkeyninja@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T21:48:42Z
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@ssfckdt @Tamaki @BlackAzizAnansi Be intentionally inclusive, intentionally anti-racist because passivity around those areas aren't working and have never worked and we need active intent in those areas to create such a space. You say you're trying to listen and find the answer and you have just wave after wave of BIPOC telling you the answer and you're saying "I guess it's a mystery." I don't think you're a troll, but damn...it's starting to feel that way in this thread.
(DIR) Post #AQcDOHZiYiOXW8WDKq by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:00:01Z
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@monkeyninja @Tamaki @BlackAzizAnansi Well that's incendiary, thanks for that.I'm more than happy if you could help my dumb troll self find the solution you say has been given. I can only do so much, though, but collectively we can do a lot, we just have to, you know, actually work together. Concept, perhaps.
(DIR) Post #AQcDUqP9yYmXHFi1su by jaawerth@functional.cafe
2022-12-14T21:56:28Z
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@ssfckdt @dalias @revolt3d @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode That's exactly what the folks you've been arguing with are doing, though.Life is messy, and things like this don't have a clean, simple solution that will just fix it. The folks most impacted, who also the ones calling the problem out, are already solving it by doing so, and the least the rest of us can do is acknowledge that, and try not to make it even harder.
(DIR) Post #AQcDWJKhuII5HnKG4u by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:01:36Z
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@jaawerth @dalias @revolt3d @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode Yeah but people are also saying that's not a valid answer. That it's unfairly "putting the onus" on the affected folks to be the change they want to see in the world.What sucks perhaps is that it is the only thing that has ever actually worked. I don't make human society.
(DIR) Post #AQcDahA9FbSiLoTfNo by monkeyninja@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:15:28Z
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@ssfckdt @Tamaki @BlackAzizAnansi You're saying that we have to work together, I agree! But you've laid some stuff out there and now you have BIPOC who live this experience on the daily telling you that what you're saying and what you're suggesting doesn't work. Listen to that! You keep saying that you're trying to listen and find an answer and then you are observably not listening, can you understand why after a certain point that comes off as trolling?
(DIR) Post #AQcDahbnana1jZPkTw by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:22:15Z
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@monkeyninja @Tamaki @BlackAzizAnansi I don't understand what you're alleging here at all.I'm also not hearing people saying "it doesn't work." I'm hearing people saying "I don't want to do it."If I give you a car and say "you have to put gas in it" and you say "I don't want to" is that the car's fault? Is it mine?Maybe try it before dismissing it out of hand. Especially as it's worked for others. And in fact, some *are* trying it, and I'm not aware that it isn't being successful.
(DIR) Post #AQcDqAaC9L7NwJ2Vcm by kweerious@hachyderm.io
2022-12-14T21:08:09Z
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@BlackAzizAnansi @ssfckdt there's only nothing to do here if you are committed to not listening and learning and instead decide to prop up the status quo because you're not open to hearing the unheard. I'm not going to ever advocate that vulnerable folks talk to others who seem to insist on being brick walls instead of open partners able to build the trust necessary to get past the basics.That's what blocking is for. Bye now.
(DIR) Post #AQcDqBA00Dl3jLn6Qq by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T21:38:21Z
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@kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @ssfckdt You're arguing with someone who joined at the same time you did, and the status quo I'm hearing is largely Twitter's conflict-making algorithm.I've been here since 2018, have been asking many ppl including Black Twitter users (like Black Aziz) to join us here. In that time I have not had to engage anyone here about their racist insinuations that "blacks are violent" or similar stuff I got on Twitter. Oh, and perfectly OK by T mods.
(DIR) Post #AQcDqBnhcbW7iUMoJk by ericdaryl@mas.to
2022-12-14T22:09:06Z
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@tasket ok… but this is a whole thread about the frustration of Black folks at being told “racism doesn’t happen here” while racism is very much happening to them here. And your response is, “racism didn’t used to happen here until you (Black person) arrived.” Can you see how that’s…. uh… “problematic”?@ssfckdt
(DIR) Post #AQcDqCJxgfJzKXSZbE by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:25:55Z
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@ericdaryl @tasket I certainly never said any such things.I would ask that people @ me for what I actually say, not for what I don't say or for what others say. I really hope that's not unreasonable.In fact I've said repeatedly that this is a problem wayyyy bigger than Mastodon or any other service. There's only so much we can do about that outside of a planet-wide 40 day flood and a do-over.
(DIR) Post #AQcDqCesQu3GNPFHCS by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T21:46:16Z
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@kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @ssfckdt OTOH, no should be told their ethnic group, gender, or orientation should be on another server. That is crude and bigoted. I don't want anyone to experience that here. Even so, instances are what distinguish Mastodon... when ppl start coming in en-masse and questioning its value, instances will always come back into the discussion.
(DIR) Post #AQcDqE3NFJF0hfiM1Q by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T22:05:26Z
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@kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @ssfckdt Lastly, there isn't currently and may never be any professional corporate CSR messaging woven into the mix. Much of Twitter discourse about inclusion leans heavily on brands that use the platform. I don't think the fediverse will ever have that. What we have are site admins and influencers who are just working class people almost to the last person. Community booster-ism and participation has to come from the community.
(DIR) Post #AQcE9xvCvtzKSnJ7E8 by ericdaryl@mas.to
2022-12-14T22:34:17Z
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@ssfckdt @tasket I wasn’t attributing the words to you. But your original comment about the demanding tone that people take in talking about how Mastodon must change does have shades of defending the status quo.
(DIR) Post #AQcE9z2KmtHbvBeJyS by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:39:02Z
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@ericdaryl @tasket That wasn't the point at all.The point was that Mastodon is not an entity, much like the other things I mentioned (BLM, Antifa). (assuming that's the comment you're referring to.)If anything, I was pointing out how Mastodon is *not* the status quo, and how the status quo has affected people's understandings of it.People got used to Twitter as an entity, Facebook as an entity. But Mastodon is not an entity. Treating it as such is mistaken.
(DIR) Post #AQcEFcXbL4fBtDxifA by jaawerth@functional.cafe
2022-12-14T22:10:44Z
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@ssfckdt @dalias @revolt3d @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @Fleurcode It's 100% true that it shouldn't be up the people most harmed by this to fix it. But they usually do anyway, because virtually nobody else is, and the bare minimum the rest of us can do is recognize that and try not to make it any harder. Again, bare minimum.
(DIR) Post #AQcEFd25Vj39PmE4BM by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:45:23Z
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@jaawerth @dalias @revolt3d @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @FleurcodeIf anything I'm trying to promote it in the face of people saying it shouldn't be needed, or it shouldn't be done. Both are true, and it's not my wish that they are, but they simply are.There seems to be a sentiment that dialogue is unwanted -- a desire to have a closed discussion without having to actually close the discussion -- and that's something I think doesn't really work on social media, twitter or not.
(DIR) Post #AQcELrhZsrameEbeRU by ericdaryl@mas.to
2022-12-14T22:43:08Z
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@ssfckdt It may not have been the point you were trying to make, but my hunch is that this is what folks are responding to. Mastodon isn’t a company like twitter of course. But it is something of a unified experience; there’s a culture here (and subcultures). So… in that sense there’s “something” to change. @tasket
(DIR) Post #AQcELsDpwvOeGHhPiy by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T22:50:44Z
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@ericdaryl @tasket Well, I may have been referring to specific things from some other readings where there were pundits going "I've tried to speak to Mastodon about it" and I just smh.My favorite part of Mastodon culture is *dialogue.* That means, people sharing perspectives with each other. In all possible directions. I'm not keen on shutting that down. And I don't think that expressing a different perspective is silencing -- that's the kind of thing that maga types say.
(DIR) Post #AQcElRCv0pRQ0QSYqW by dj@rojogato.com
2022-12-15T01:41:51.083680Z
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@monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi
(DIR) Post #AQcFR0rRMG3ySMEoHg by AtlantaAntifa@kolektiva.social
2022-12-14T23:10:36Z
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@taliesin @ssfckdt @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi The argument that culturally addressing tone policing style racism on Mastodon will mean "wanting to turn Mastodon into Twitter" is the exact equivalent of "There goes the neighborhood!" in real life, and just as reprehensibly racist.
(DIR) Post #AQcFR1PTJjHk9u9zKS by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:19:41Z
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@AtlantaAntifa @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi We're not talking about letting quote unquote "those people" into the neighborhood. We're talking about building an interstate through the neighborhood. We're talking about rezoning it for office towers because the neighborhood has too many boomers.Come on now.I mean, if I said "Antifa should form a single nonprofit corporation" would you go "well of course anything less is racist" or would you go "that would destroy what Antifa is"?
(DIR) Post #AQcFW9LDFwpQCmc4q8 by Okanogen@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T23:21:58Z
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@ssfckdt @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I'm assuming that ONLY White people can make White spaces safe and welcoming to POC and there isn't a damn bit of "White savior mentality" involved in that.You need to check yourself.
(DIR) Post #AQcFW9pLRuvniEi8o4 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:24:24Z
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@Okanogen @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Does "making it safe" mean "never expressing your own viewpoint?"Cause if so...
(DIR) Post #AQcFZwzl6HtV4aOHAG by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T23:23:45Z
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@ssfckdt @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi ironic you're here accusing the black people of gentrification of your pet community. lol. buddy, they're not going to ruin it, they're going to make it better, and still with the same values it has always had. where is that spirit of imagination and ingenuity you keep talking about, where people have laid out a problem for you and you get to solve it. you'd engage with this with interest with any other issue but here you're just like 'solve it yourselves, and you're only allowed to do it in a way that sticks with the old order perfectly." talk about centralized and authoritarian.
(DIR) Post #AQcFa0Hwr7E7HrvLQu by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:28:43Z
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@taliesin @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I earnestly disagree with your definitions of centralized and authoritarian. Maybe we need to confer on which definitions to use.I honestly can't comprehend how you can call Mastodon "the old order" considering the primary modes of communication on the Internet going on 25 years now have been corporate, centralized systems. Maybe come up with another solution besides 1. "we need someone to run the whole show" and 2. "shut the fuck up"
(DIR) Post #AQcFa1Koxv7QX4H9Y8 by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T23:31:14Z
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@ssfckdt @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi and obviously a tech solution won't always take care of people problems, and of course i'm not gonna advocate that as the only approach, but dealing specifically with your worries that dealing with this problem of racism means messing up moderation by instances and decentralization, i would say it doesn't have to and instead of responding like "you're trying to ruin our toy!" you could respond like "wow, yeah, that's an issue we hadn't considered thanks to our white lens, let me ponder some ways we can address this while still maintaining a decentralized network" and before you go 'it won't work" just don't, at least give it some time, the giving up so fast before you've even really tried is the issue here, and it shows a major lack of imagination
(DIR) Post #AQcFdXW1m5cBCxCBHc by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T23:33:44Z
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@ssfckdt @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi i'm not sure you realize that the white tech bros are the Order on this space (fediverse, not just mastodon), and their dictating how and what people can do to make this space safer for themselves is itself authoritarian.
(DIR) Post #AQcFdY57fbggxncCzA by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:39:21Z
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@taliesin who is dictating what? there isn't any authority here.if anything, it sounds like people *want* there to be an authority. since there isn't an authority, they have no one to tell to do things differently.
(DIR) Post #AQcGstddu9PC7Pdz0K by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:43:20Z
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@smollestbunny @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi The "I don't know" was in response to "where was that mentioned in what you're replying to" as I admitted I couldn't find it, and therefore I was making a bad assumption.Do you know anyone else who makes bad assumptions? I hate when I do that. I'll own up to it. I certainly don't like it when other people put words in *my* mouth and I don't deliberately do it to others. Let me know if you find anyone else doing that around here.
(DIR) Post #AQcHOiF3oP422WJi6q by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T23:44:14Z
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@ssfckdt sociology 101, all communities has encultured power bases based on cultural mores and biases, whiteness and having the knowledge of how the tech works gives you all the power here, and with empowerment comes authority. you hold the strings here, all you white tech bros who know a lot more about how this works than us do, and it would be nice if you pulled those strings to come up with solutions that will work for us all, and not just yourselves.
(DIR) Post #AQcHOigMAutlPB5Vei by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:48:21Z
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@taliesin I would wholeheartedly agree that knowledge is power, and I encourage everyone to seek out said knowledge to acquire such power.I'm not saying that there aren't way more white folks on Mastodon than others. That's a big duh.What I'm saying is get up in here and change the numbers.I'm not blessed with some secret tome that will unlock the secrets of the Mastodon universe. It's freely available to everyone. I wouldn't want it any other way.
(DIR) Post #AQcHXgyfsjusizvzOq by Malcriada@mstdn.party
2022-12-14T23:44:27Z
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@taliesin @ssfckdt @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninjaI'm late to this Convo but have any non-white people advocated for a technology- based change to Mastodon or have they asked for cultural changes in the behaviors? IMO as a new user who isn't white, seems like a lot of the problem would be eliminated if people just weren't being dicks to POC. 🤷🏽♀️
(DIR) Post #AQcHXhaFd1ySbXVzyC by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T23:47:11Z
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@Malcriada @ssfckdt @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja nah seriously, it's mostly been this, and maybe some people have argued for a more centralized moderation solution...which personally i would have issues with....but i think there's a lot of malicious incompetence happening with folks not even willing to find a decentralized solution to this. and on top of that not even willing to just you know...stop being a racist.
(DIR) Post #AQcHXiLOnjgixlZeSW by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:55:47Z
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@taliesin @Malcriada @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja "maybe some people have argued for a more centralized moderation solution...which personally i would have issues with...."Then why tf are you @ing me? That's my whole fucking pointThe primary complaint I'm seeing in general out there about why Mastodon is bad is because the moderation is too inconsistent because its up to the instances.E.g.: https://techpolicy.press/the-whiteness-of-mastodon/So what's the only logical alternative? If I'm missing one, let me know.
(DIR) Post #AQcHjuUlRwNi7jlo12 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:58:39Z
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@emilyk @smollestbunny @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin I can't believe you're upset about the word "alas"It was me admitting I couldn't answer his specific question.Jesus hell.
(DIR) Post #AQcHkKCZsBHZqrSeHI by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:57:45Z
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@smollestbunny @emilyk @BlackAzizAnansi @taliesin @monkeyninja Seriously what the fuck though? What have I said that you deem so evil?
(DIR) Post #AQcIEhzG0M4EJ7ic52 by Grimwing@eveningzoo.club
2022-12-15T02:20:46.939511Z
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@monkeyninja no one cares about your pronouns
(DIR) Post #AQcIGo4OMNPzkh7Y8G by taliesin@eldritch.cafe
2022-12-14T23:58:19Z
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@ssfckdt @Malcriada @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @ing why are you expecting me or Aziz or anyone to figure out the logical alternative? why are you not working on it yourself? did you really read that whole article cause honestly i think you missed the point.i'm kinda tired of you tbh and won't be engaging wit you further.
(DIR) Post #AQcIGoYAZfEnF33KXw by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:01:20Z
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@taliesin @Malcriada @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @ing I don't even feel like you've read what I've actually said. Youl've just defaulted to attributing everything evil you can think of to me, just because.
(DIR) Post #AQcIHp8prRPFMigUIy by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-14T23:59:59Z
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@taliesin @Malcriada @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @ing Yeah lovely conversation we had. Really productive. Even afer I admitted I was off point. Jesus. Let's just slander me with every possible thing you can attribute to me, it's much easier than engaging. Best of luck.
(DIR) Post #AQcIdpjsJvV1aaVKPQ by craigbob99@poa.st
2022-12-14T22:34:24.482645Z
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@SunshineTadpole @Charlamagne @ShotgunShuffle @kweerious @BlackAzizAnansi @monkeyninja @ssfckdt I thought those were called Jeez-its
(DIR) Post #AQcL6fVJeUKK9WZVJY by fulanigirl@blacktwitter.io
2022-12-14T23:54:44Z
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@taliesin @ssfckdt @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Been chewing on this convo to see if I wanted to weigh in. My BiPoc family: We all should have expected resistance when we got here. We are mostly in the US! Racism is the bread & Butter of this country. But you know what...don't let them eat your spirit. When we continue to engage the openly racist & unintentional ones it consumes your energy, and destroys your spirit. Don't get distracted by that mess.
(DIR) Post #AQcL6gM8U6ZsnLHge0 by fulanigirl@blacktwitter.io
2022-12-14T23:57:59Z
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@taliesin @ssfckdt @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Plus we just got here. Report the people, block 'em and if your admin doesn't help you , move to another server. There's no loyalty to a server, not like we had at the bird site. Let's be new and fresh here. We don't need to explain crap to anyone. As I say in lecture, its not my job to educate the willfully ignorant. Don't succumb to the energy thieves. Peace.
(DIR) Post #AQcL6gnmpIhCB6Dlk8 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:02:31Z
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@fulanigirl @taliesin @AtlantaAntifa @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi This is great. People are literally using my whole argument to explain why I'm wrong.I guess a win is a win even if it's a loss.
(DIR) Post #AQcLLtJwZ48dLcVkeG by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-14T23:45:19Z
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@ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi lol. But you haven't owned up to it. You've spent this whole conversation saying that bipoc feeling welcome here will make it like twitter. Implying that it's bad that "the filthy browns" feel any sort of welcome. Love how you are now diverting this into how you are somehow innocent.
(DIR) Post #AQcLLtlauGFwjNRpkO by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:06:09Z
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@smollestbunny @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi that is *NOT* what I ever said *AT ALL.* That's just dishonest.
(DIR) Post #AQcLgqWGAupijzGQgy by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:07:33Z
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@ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi you are being dishonest here not us.
(DIR) Post #AQcLgquihyOnxqhxom by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:08:03Z
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@smollestbunny @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi You're saying I said things I didn't say. What would you call it?
(DIR) Post #AQcLiiPBJY629cqPlQ by rancor@hachyderm.io
2022-12-15T00:05:56Z
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@smollestbunny @argonblue @ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi this is my favorite type of toot. The "watch this person do this...", followed by the person doing exactly that.
(DIR) Post #AQcLiizL971HxllI7k by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:07:58Z
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@rancor @argonblue @ssfckdt @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi he's getting angry now.
(DIR) Post #AQcLijVxBr6jav1KxU by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:09:09Z
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@smollestbunny @rancor @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I'm sincerely struggling to understand your vitriol.
(DIR) Post #AQcLm7ejt8uhKykJo8 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:12:30Z
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@smollestbunny @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi This is just slander really. You're literally making stuff up at this point"you've spent this whole conversation saying that bipoc feeling welcome here will make it like twitter."That's not what I ever said."the filthy browns"Where on earth did you get this from
(DIR) Post #AQcLwMdz1EcAiWHBI0 by rancor@hachyderm.io
2022-12-15T00:11:41Z
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@ssfckdt @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi since you don't seem to be interested in helping cultivate a #blackmastodon, it's proper that many of us are introducing you to "#blockmastodon"
(DIR) Post #AQcLwN8pAZHiGAhoMS by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:13:16Z
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@rancor @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Really? I've been boosting #blackmastodon posts for days.I am begging POC to come on Mastodon. It's the only way for it to be less non-POC. That was my whole point from comment number one.
(DIR) Post #AQcM00NTkJhKomIBwO by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:18:10Z
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@ssfckdt @rancor @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi that doesn't seem true at all my guy.
(DIR) Post #AQcM06ozmvH2nrDFfE by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:19:57Z
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@smollestbunny @rancor @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Well, it is. I don't know why you insist it isn't. Its all in the history.What do you want me to do? I think you're being really reactionary to me here. Not really hearing me, just making the worst assumptions.
(DIR) Post #AQcM2weS3ZPq87dJfE by IbuMichele@mas.to
2022-12-15T00:18:29Z
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@ssfckdt @rancor @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi this is true. I just looked at your feed. But what you are now doing feels very much like derailing the conversation by ‘just asking questions’ aka sealioning. And just like any other situation where you can back down instead of escalating, you probably should apologize and back down
(DIR) Post #AQcM2xPxCxPgVRrFho by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:22:04Z
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@IbuMichele @rancor @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Maybe because I now feel like I'm being very wrongly slandered.I don't know what the correct response to that is. I'm sorry if people are misunderstanding my point. I think people are coming in the middle of a thread and not seeing my whole point.I'm trying to find proactive, positive solutions to an identified problem.I don't know exactly who to apologize to or even what for. Please help.
(DIR) Post #AQcM4gpVqsR3dhdfto by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:22:47Z
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@IbuMichele @rancor @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I dont' even think I'm Carlsonly "just asking questions" but if that's the vibe then fine and I'll save it for another day.
(DIR) Post #AQcMCo80bJ6WajA33w by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:25:16Z
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@shiftleftist @smollestbunny I am sorry for talking over people. I am not trying to talk over people. I am just trying to make sure my point is understood. We all want to be understood. I would hate people to misunderstand me. Sorry.
(DIR) Post #AQcMKOlyksLIGnTbcG by angiebaby@mas.to
2022-12-15T00:25:07Z
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@ssfckdtWe can see your timeline.@smollestbunny @rancor @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi
(DIR) Post #AQcMKPLQd4hO2k3us4 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:26:01Z
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@angiebaby @smollestbunny @rancor @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi That's my honest opinion of how the conversation with @smollestbunny went.
(DIR) Post #AQcMKQYa7eoXnpDw0m by angiebaby@mas.to
2022-12-15T00:25:29Z
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@ssfckdtWho is "they"? 🤔@smollestbunny @rancor @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi
(DIR) Post #AQcMXAK1nIZpDSUT0S by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:32:00Z
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@ssfckdt @shiftleftist you have the opposite of a useful point here. All you've done is derail and make it about you and question why bipoc people need to feel safe. This is a very hollow apology.
(DIR) Post #AQcMXAno0aOchoQFQ8 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:36:51Z
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@smollestbunny @shiftleftist I really feel like you're simply intent on misrepresenting me. I don't question at all why bipoc people need to feel safe. It's a completely natural thing to want. Everyone does.I don't know how to fix this with you and probably can't, and I'm genuinely sorry about that. Believe what you will.
(DIR) Post #AQcMZOU46ybRiYFQoK by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:38:26Z
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@ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I think it's the one people jump to because it's the fundamental principle of the environment. And because it's seemingly worked quite well for other groups. I'm open to alternatives, but I really don't want to see central management become the thing.
(DIR) Post #AQcMcng4tkaIiuUVKS by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:38:43Z
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@ssfckdt @shiftleftist "I don't question at all why bipoc people need to feel safe. It's a completely natural thing to want. Everyone does."Right. But you just spent this whole thread and still are making it about you and you said that making the space feel welcome to bipoc people would "make it more like twitter, and that's not why we are here" not exact quote. You are still using weaponized incompetence.
(DIR) Post #AQcMcoI0civScYEnS4 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:41:19Z
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@smollestbunny @shiftleftist For the last time, that is not what I ever said, and I really beg you to stop misattributing things to me.What I said was that central moderation would make Mastodon like Twitter, because it's one of the biggest things that differs between the two.Is central moderation the only solution for #blackmastodon?
(DIR) Post #AQcMgkrDKI4D8OaMCW by IbuMichele@mas.to
2022-12-15T00:40:05Z
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@ssfckdt @rancor @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi you started by saying that POC needed to create their own safe space. You then suggested that white people creating that space and making POC feel welcome was some sort of white savior complex. You faced push back on both of those and then doubled down and claimed you were being wrongly slandered. You need to take a break and apologize for not listening.
(DIR) Post #AQcMgltjSPfwMUlslU by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:42:27Z
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@IbuMichele @rancor @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Are you equating "making POC feel welcome" with "having a central moderation authority for all of Mastodon?"Just so I'm clear here. Because I was referring to the latter, not the former.
(DIR) Post #AQcMpAPyB0RAj3qyCu by LaReinaCroqueta@mstdn.social
2022-12-15T00:40:16Z
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@ssfckdt @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi YOU think you have a useful point. What if we POC tell you it’s not useful to us POC? You say we don’t understand or that we are slandering you. You’re making yourself into a victim instead of listening to constructive criticism from us.
(DIR) Post #AQcMpAyM79wWRhwQnw by LaReinaCroqueta@mstdn.social
2022-12-15T00:41:59Z
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@ssfckdt @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi What you’re not getting is YOUR experience and opinion about what we go through is not OUR experience or opinion of what we ACTUALLY go through. Do you understand this?
(DIR) Post #AQcMpBR4OOuZslNMYq by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:43:35Z
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@LaReinaCroqueta @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Um, yes? I don't recall saying implying that I understood the experience better.I'm sorry if that came across somehow, it's not what I would ever intend to convey.
(DIR) Post #AQcMv1lpEybldxs3Ae by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:45:10Z
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@ssfckdt @LaReinaCroqueta @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi So in order for white people to be nice to bipoc people, it's white savior mentality?
(DIR) Post #AQcMv2DTaAj51io8Gm by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:46:57Z
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@smollestbunny @LaReinaCroqueta @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi I didn't interpret the comment I was replying to as simply "be nice to bipoc people" but rather "fundamentally change how mastodon operates in a vain attempt to provide for them"Like, I was specifically arguing *against* the notion that wipipo can unilaterally solve the problem
(DIR) Post #AQcMv2elwgYoONZvoe by smollestbunny@kolektiva.social
2022-12-15T00:46:29Z
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@ssfckdt @LaReinaCroqueta @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi nothing white people can do to make bipoc people feel safe. Alas that's the world we live in. So sad. We'll never get along. So we should segregate sad face
(DIR) Post #AQcMx5CTSYNyrOJcq8 by LaReinaCroqueta@mstdn.social
2022-12-15T00:46:50Z
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@ssfckdt @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi you’re doing it again. You said you feel you have useful opinions. We are saying they aren’t. Stop being defensive. How many whïte racists do you challenge with this intensity and for this long?
(DIR) Post #AQcMx5mdI7JEfXEVCS by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2022-12-15T00:48:35Z
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@LaReinaCroqueta @ch1m3r4c0mpl3x @smollestbunny @argonblue @taliesin @monkeyninja @BlackAzizAnansi Then I'm sorry, I was only trying to be constructive, and I'm sorry I wasn't.As for your second question, not as much, because I consider them lost causes.