Post AQakTJOe7fVYmlQTQW by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AQaWcwTqmQs9FZYfOC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T04:57:58Z
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Wow! This is one hell of a mea culpa from Jack Dorsey. Read the whole thing. He pretty much said that Twitter was a failure—a wrong he must make right.Do you believe him? https://www.getrevue.co/profile/jackjack/issues/a-native-internet-protocol-for-social-media-1503112
(DIR) Post #AQaWcx06qUg0rceQfg by CommissarMatis@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:49:44Z
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@atomicpoet Reading through the post it is almost as though Jack Dorsey is doing everything humanly possible to avoid admitting that maybe Mastodon had it right, there is no need to create a new protocol and that the negative consequences of algorithms which amplify content for the sake of increasing engagement leading to an increase in ad revenue (then trying to deal with the consequences of the wrong sort of content being amplified) are belt dealt with by not having them in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AQaWcxvtNethkpgZjk by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:00:50Z
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Considering all the damage Twitter has done, this is a shocking thing for Jack Dorsey to admit.Yeah, Twitter's centralizing role in conversation has resulted in governments and corporations trying to cease control of public conversation. No company should own the public square. Ever.
(DIR) Post #AQaWczQ3qyckMgoBOq by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:07:30Z
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I completely disagree with Jack Dorsey here, and I wonder how he even finds this notion to be defensible. No, I don't want snuff films or abusive content to be permanently on the Internet.
(DIR) Post #AQaWd0nqi1FKekwh7I by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:12:41Z
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Here's Jack on the algorithm train once again 🙄 Why is he keen on farming interactions out to AIs?Look there's a much better way to moderate than relevancy algorithms: consent.Did you consent to connect with me?Did I consent to connect with you?
(DIR) Post #AQaWd2DPSTHp2Jucb2 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:16:59Z
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I agree with Jack Dorsey's point here.Yes, the problem with the Internet today is that companies own both the protocol and discovery of content. But who created this problem?It was you, Jack!You decided to shut off Twitter's API to developers! You decided that Twitter's monetization model was as a publisher! You popularized this model that every VC is now chasing!This is why we're very skeptical of Bluesky.
(DIR) Post #AQaWd3idrprbhTX4uu by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:18:46Z
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Jack Dorsey says the obvious here. So let me be blunt:Every business on the Internet is built off open protocols. Entities like Meta and Twitter have tried their damnedest to change this, but it's always going to be true.
(DIR) Post #AQaWd564kCCbyRVJ56 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:22:04Z
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Jack Dorsey knows. He knows he's royally f*cked up. But now that he made his billions off centralizing the Internet, and destroying the public square—he wants to undo the damage.
(DIR) Post #AQaWd6UZYbOMIhyNu4 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:28:03Z
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Here's where I genuinely pull my hair out with Jack Dorsey's post: 1. Bluesky is vaporware. They've spent 4 years on this project, and nothing is happening. You can't even use Bluesky right now. 2.Jack knows that Mastodon is not a protocol. He's spoken face-to-face with many of the authors of ActivityPub. Why ignore reality?3. I suspect it's because, while he can't ignore Mastodon, he can ignore the entire ActivityPub ecosystem and pretend it doesn't exist.
(DIR) Post #AQaWd7z60bOyvfGH7Q by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T05:49:09Z
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And this is the most WTF part of Jack Dorsey's post. Signal is already funded by Brian Acton, co-founder of WhatsApp. Strategically, it might make sense because of Meta's main portfolio of apps, WhatsApp is probably the most vulnerable. But he *just* mentioned The Matrix, and Bluesky uses The Matrix for their messaging. Why do they use The Matrix?Because The Matrix is de-centralized while Signal is centralized.What a way to contradict your whole post 👍
(DIR) Post #AQaiAW18m5PMWBLCBU by oliphant@oliphant.social
2022-12-14T04:58:58Z
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@atomicpoet My personal favorite part of hte article is where he just talks about how we need some kind of social media protocol that isn't owned by anyone, and gee, it would be really nice if someone built that thing.
(DIR) Post #AQaiAWkA4hQ8loP9MG by oliphant@oliphant.social
2022-12-14T05:01:08Z
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@atomicpoet "The only way I know of to truly live up to these 3 principles is a free and open protocol for social media, that is not owned by a single company or group of companies, and is resilient to corporate and government influence. The problem today is that we have companies who own both the protocol and discovery of content. Which ultimately puts one person in charge of what’s available and seen, or not"Like you have to intentionally pretend ActivityPub doesn't exist at this point.
(DIR) Post #AQaislLt7cqYor8zqa by kunev@soc.undef.me
2022-12-14T07:05:18.600826Z
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@atomicpoet This really bugged me. I keep bouncing back and forth between admiring Jack for seemingly trying to do the right things and hating his guts for fucking up with twitter to the point where it ended up in the hands of its current owner. But the point at which a long post about open protocols for social media does not mention ActivityPub at all, I guess is where he’s officially admitting that his main goal is pushing whatever he’s fantasizing will come out of Bluesky and willing to play dumb about the real situation, rather than actually looking for good solutions to fix problems. A critique of AP that says it’s not a good idea and Bluesky is better, would be a perfectly valid thing to do from his side, but ignoring the elephant in the room (the one behind the Mastodon 😄) is just a plain bad faith representation of the state of things.
(DIR) Post #AQaislyApHTIjb3ZWS by rwzh@mastodonapp.uk
2022-12-14T07:42:03Z
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@kunev @atomicpoet I guess I stopped taking Jack's opinion seriously when he said that kicking Trump off Twitter was wrong.
(DIR) Post #AQaismQB99sC8S9wAq by kunev@soc.undef.me
2022-12-14T07:47:02.858774Z
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@rwzh @atomicpoet I didn’t read it as that exactly. I think it’s more close to what Matthew Prince’s thoughts on The Daily Stormer, 8ch, kiwifarms, etc. It’s right to do it, but it’s scary as fuck that technically a single company has the power to unilaterally do that. And as scary as it sounds to people outside of it, I’m guessing for people on the inside that understand the power they have at their disposal it’s probably much more scarier.
(DIR) Post #AQaisn4EkDuq8gtvc0 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T07:58:46Z
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@kunev @rwzh But here's a thought: they could have kicked Trump off in 2012, when he was disseminating the Birther conspiracy theory.
(DIR) Post #AQaisnVt5Q29WRq0i8 by m1ss4ndry@ymkml.online
2022-12-14T08:09:53.431Z
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @kunev@soc.undef.me @rwzh@mastodonapp.uk why do you all care so much about twitter and banning trump from posting on twitterit absolutely changes nothing
(DIR) Post #AQajWJaBmrDoHGh2Yq by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T08:13:51Z
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@m1ss4ndry @kunev @rwzh I don't know if I "care" -- what happened happened.
(DIR) Post #AQajWK9df3Zu3DHLoe by m1ss4ndry@ymkml.online
2022-12-14T08:17:03.709Z
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @kunev@soc.undef.me @rwzh@mastodonapp.uk most of what you post is about twitterand this stance in favor of censorship is the antithesis of defederation, no Trump shouldn't have been banned. its almost as if all the power people think twitter has is manifested by their beliefs rather than reality
(DIR) Post #AQakTJOe7fVYmlQTQW by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T08:19:48Z
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@m1ss4ndry @kunev @rwzh 1. Censorship is what the government does to you, not what a private publisher does to you2. Twitter *is* a publisher, and they're responsible for what they publish3. No, caring about what you publish is not the "antithesis" of defederation, it's the absolute minimum of what a publisher does
(DIR) Post #AQakTKJihTA5dm83O4 by m1ss4ndry@ymkml.online
2022-12-14T08:27:43.291Z
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @kunev@soc.undef.me @rwzh@mastodonapp.uk 1) you are referring to the U.S constitution and what is legally protected, censorship is still censorship when it's done by private entities. I'm pretty sure the anarchists complaining about getting the boot would disagree with you as well.2) twitter is a platform, not a publisher What people choose to publish on their platform is subject to their ToS. What I am saying is that liberals cheering on banning trump, but then getting upset when their side gets banned is hypocritical. Decentralization was created to prevent a singular entity or group from having that much influence over the network. In fact, fedi attracts multiple subcultures for this very reason.
(DIR) Post #AQakvqgtvcDe9eZWym by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T08:29:52Z
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@m1ss4ndry @kunev @rwzh Nope, Twitter is a publisher. See also: https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet/109502830061647418
(DIR) Post #AQakvrAg8u2Re0VJOS by m1ss4ndry@ymkml.online
2022-12-14T08:32:53.057Z
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @kunev@soc.undef.me @rwzh@mastodonapp.uk are you a developer? be honest lol
(DIR) Post #AQalGX6lvoehV8XII4 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T08:33:50Z
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@m1ss4ndry @kunev @rwzh Yes, in fact, I talk about Twitter quite a lot because I helped build the #1 3rd party Twitter client, and that took up a huge chunk of my life.I've been working in this business for 15 years.
(DIR) Post #AQalGXgDo10nH57bXs by m1ss4ndry@ymkml.online
2022-12-14T08:36:36.715Z
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @kunev@soc.undef.me @rwzh@mastodonapp.uk LAMP is a stack, and you still contradict yourselfAt one time, many people used Twitter as a platform, but Twitter became hostile towards developers—it is a bad idea to build with Twitter. So which is it? Is twitter not a platform because you dislike and disagree with their policies? Is your definition only open source now? You say you spent a good chunk of your life working around twitter, when did open source start to matter to you?
(DIR) Post #AQam27GhJ5QvGBrsK8 by kunev@soc.undef.me
2022-12-14T08:36:42.103961Z
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@atomicpoet @m1ss4ndry @rwzh twitter does technically operate as a publisher, but also has aggressively marketed itself as a platform. The very idea of being a “public square” implies being a platform. The public square is not a publisher, it’s the place where everyone (including the most terrible people that merely seek to fuck up society beyond repair) can go and talk. On the square however people are allowed to chose to not listen to those they don’t want to or those they deem to have destructive opinions. They have always wanted to be both a platform and a publisher depending on context and what suits them best.
(DIR) Post #AQam27sd23m59pcARk by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T08:39:15Z
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@kunev @rwzh @m1ss4ndry ⬆️ You get it.The reason I don't regard them as a platform is that you can't trust them to honour their so-called status as a "platform".What good is it to do anything on Twitter when that platform (in multiple senses of the word) will get yoinked?Let's call a spade a spade -- even Jack Dorsey does this in his post.
(DIR) Post #AQam28LhHz1ibzDNku by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T08:44:37Z
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@kunev @rwzh @m1ss4ndry By the way, I say pretty confidently: 3rd party developers built Twitter's popularity -- not Twitter.How did Twitter thank them? They stabbed them in the back.I consider myself one of the lucky ones.
(DIR) Post #AQam28lDl5RXt99lXU by m1ss4ndry@ymkml.online
2022-12-14T08:45:12.131Z
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@atomicpoet@mastodon.social @kunev@soc.undef.me @rwzh@mastodonapp.uk I don't feel bad for you. You're not a victim.
(DIR) Post #AQam29N9U3mhmmu3f6 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-12-14T08:44:08Z
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@kunev @rwzh @m1ss4ndry By the way, I say pretty confidently: 3rd party developers built Twitter's popularity -- not Twitter.Instead, Twitter stabbed them in the back.I consider myself one of the lucky ones.