Post AQaebMCiy5FA5LIpXM by digibrarian@federate.social
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 (DIR) Post #AQaebLYfN1CW56Yq6C by blaine@mastodon.social
       2022-12-14T06:06:47Z
       
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       The key thing about Jack's post re: protocols is that it's not about the protocol. In some ways, it never was.The hard part is identity, and always was. Twitter's power is in the Users table, and the fact that none of us could ever escape it. It's the reason verification was always such a big deal, and why decentralized moderation is so difficult.With decentralized but *also* usable identity, we can all use many protocols.SMTP got it wrong, because the identity was tied to the protocol.
       
 (DIR) Post #AQaebMCiy5FA5LIpXM by digibrarian@federate.social
       2022-12-14T06:15:02Z
       
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       @blaine Would someone reading this be willing to try explaining for non-devs what is meant here by we couldn't escape the users table?  I have no clue what the users table at Twitter is (a database?) or how we would be not escaping it (not even a guess on that one). ☺️
       
 (DIR) Post #AQaebMyw4poAUrrKgS by blaine@mastodon.social
       2022-12-14T06:18:52Z
       
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       @digibrarian our twitter usernames are trapped in a database that Twitter controls. That username is key to connecting with everyone else on the platform.Mastodon's usernames ("digibrarian@federate.social") are the federated part of the system, and give us the freedom to choose which instance we use while preserving the ability to connect with others.Put another way, if Twitter federated ("blaine@twitter.com") with Mastodon, there'd be no reason for anyone to stay in Musk's roach motel.
       
 (DIR) Post #AQaebNAHOesl43AOMi by blaine@mastodon.social
       2022-12-14T06:07:15Z
       
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       We're going to fix this.
       
 (DIR) Post #AQaebNZnrlIaLD6m9I by saturnbagel@mastodon.social
       2022-12-14T06:48:15Z
       
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       @blaine @digibrarian because if they did federate, then twitter would be "just another client" like Metatext or the official Mastodon client? Meaning they'd lose tons of ad revenue because people would have other options of how to view the same toots/tweets/content/whatever? -- I think I'm understanding here but I'm not sure
       
 (DIR) Post #AQaebOMivsQkmvzqOu by blaine@mastodon.social
       2022-12-14T06:55:02Z
       
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       @saturnbagel @digibrarian yup – I'm hopeful that the mastodon clients will be even better than twitter's official one, soon!Twitter could be like a client, but also like an instance: for example, you could be reading "tweets" from someone posting on twitter.com from your mastodon.social account. I think that's where the real power lies. Building clients is easy, but creating social networks with hundreds of millions of users is *hard* 😅
       
 (DIR) Post #AQc0ghXZSakJr7y0ga by digibrarian@federate.social
       2022-12-14T06:47:55Z
       
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       @blaine Oh! I think I get it... My digital identity lives at my current instance, but if I want to join a different community I can move around to other instances with my same name (I think?). But with Twitter they own your handle and your follower lists, and you're either on their platform or not. You can see some Twitter accounts from logged out, but you can't interact logged out, nor cross interact from Tumblr or Insta.So federation is solving identity by letting it not exist in a silo?
       
 (DIR) Post #AQc0gjNicC3NZ9NAbg by bobwyman@mastodon.social
       2022-12-14T13:39:07Z
       
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       @digibrarian @blaine Federation is only a partial solution to the identity problem. While having many instances avoids any one having a monopoly over identity, and while allowing inter-instance migration weakens instance control over effective identity, users' identities are, at all times, still bound to their current identity provider.Services should require you to BYOI (Bring Your Own Identity.) Identity is something you should bring to a service, not take from it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AQc0glKxLR23dA5zZw by silverpill@mitra.social
       2022-12-14T23:03:44.181351Z
       
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       @bobwyman @blaine @digibrarian>Services should require you to BYOI (Bring Your Own Identity.) Identity is something you should bring to a service, not take from it.This protocol extension proposal describes how to do that in Fediverse: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/feps/fep-c390.md