Post AQa5FvaJFO7x36NfSC by ademan@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #AQVyZBkJuI1AMbScBE by avalos@mstdn.social
2022-12-12T01:12:04Z
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@alyssa Last time I checked, FOSS stands for “free and open source software,” not “free and open source people.”
(DIR) Post #AQW0MI0nV1vXwM929o by avalos@mstdn.social
2022-12-12T01:32:10Z
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@alyssa A fun idea would be to make a list of free software maintainers and contributors who once in their lives have violated at least one tenet of a modern code of conduct. The list would be so huge, that people in the Fediverse would go live under a rock and never touch any technology again, because it's made by bigots and whatnot.
(DIR) Post #AQW29UkZ1mpXagZvcW by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T01:52:15Z
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@avalos I suspect you're attacking a strawman, but there's always the Stallman (who, yes, would easily make such a list) of replacing the software we disapprove of piece by piece until we can do without any of it...@alyssa
(DIR) Post #AQW4OGvitO6QyryKY4 by avalos@mstdn.social
2022-12-12T02:17:19Z
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@alcinnz @alyssa Stallman's reason to replace everything lied in the software he was replacing itself, which was proprietary and sometimes hostile to its users. In contrast, most of the arguments presented recently by people to cancel pieces of software have nothing to do with the software, but rather with their authors, even if the software itself is used by people in accordance to the code of conduct.
(DIR) Post #AQW56KsJaOgPxROBX6 by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T02:25:17Z
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@avalos @alyssa I don't see who these points counteract what I said...
(DIR) Post #AQW5JIiWv6Zx1uziu8 by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T02:27:38Z
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@avalos @alyssa I don't see who these points counteract what I said...And when I suggest that you are attacking a strawman, I mean I don't think anyone's expecting others to be 100% perfect.
(DIR) Post #AQW5NihyECwAnWq94a by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T02:28:23Z
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@avalos @alyssa I don't see how these points counteract what I said...And when I suggest that you are attacking a strawman, I mean I don't think anyone's expecting others to be 100% perfect.
(DIR) Post #AQW5jEkEJRNsEq9mng by avalos@mstdn.social
2022-12-12T02:32:20Z
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@alcinnz @alyssa I wasn't trying to counteract what you said, I was talking about what I've observed in general.I know people don't expect others to be perfect, but sometimes it feels that way!
(DIR) Post #AQW5qVtiw5xFSt4EiG by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T02:33:37Z
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@avalos O.K., I can understand that frustration!@alyssa
(DIR) Post #AQWUWqp3vTr7QNbkjQ by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2022-12-12T07:10:13.947394Z
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@alyssa >Rosenzweig
(DIR) Post #AQWtoZM66ZdDJkbagi by vikingkong@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-12-12T11:53:34Z
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@alyssa Too many don'ts. People in FOSS don't need so called "activists" telling people what they should do and what they shouldn't; trying to politicize the movemement, and to impose their agenda on software developers, corroding the comunity from within.FOSS is not Facebook or Google so don't try to turn it into them.
(DIR) Post #AQXLow3yTYqsSd5jCS by mawhrin@circumstances.run
2022-12-12T17:06:43Z
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@vikingkong lol. (also: lol.) (also: how to tell that you have no bloody idea about floss without you saying so.)
(DIR) Post #AQXMxQ5qo8vjrvZvpg by alyx@gameliberty.club
2022-12-12T17:20:00Z
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@Zergling_man @alyssa What even is this thread...
(DIR) Post #AQXMzUXbF7BMF3Xtr6 by Zergling_man@birds.garden
2022-12-12T17:20:29.534784Z
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@alyx @alyssa >Rosenzweig
(DIR) Post #AQYaetPr9i4NpFxJkO by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-12-13T07:28:18.427677Z
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@alyssa you need it to be a dog whistle but it's just people that don't want your bullshit while they're trying to focus on work.
(DIR) Post #AQYipWhek1AsCYrYvo by birdulon@shpposter.club
2022-12-13T08:59:53.478168Z
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@Moon @alyssa I agree with the sentiment that team cohesion is more important than individual excellence. Some people are upset that they can't spam tiananmen square copypasta at our chinese contributors. Some are upset that we haven't purged russians. Some equate banning needlessly divisive activities as supporting genocide.When people go "they go or I go" I tend to side with the person who cares more about the project than stirring the pot. That alienates a number of people who want to make others as miserable as they are, and no doubt they tend to be the ones to try and stir up trouble elsewhere in retaliation. Maybe it excludes some 10x contributors who could have revolutionized everything. Or maybe they're 10x because we would have had to pay for their presence by sacrificing 10 other contributors to their whims. I'm rambling. Divisiveness is poison to a project.
(DIR) Post #AQYlPziMYSGGVoi6ng by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-12-13T09:28:54.211526Z
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@birdulon @alyssa I agree with them don't hire dicks but also I'm here to work not be your buddy or be subject to politics
(DIR) Post #AQYlUzMnH9Cksh0GDg by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-12-13T09:29:48.599484Z
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@Moon @birdulon @alyssa personally i'm just really obstinant and don't appreciate when people try to pull manipulative shit :ablobcatpopcorn:
(DIR) Post #AQYlWJFArHpgoo4KjA by paoloredaelli@mastodon.uno
2022-12-12T00:45:48Z
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@alyssaFollow #sqlite code of conduct. It is just perfect 🥰😇@alcinnz
(DIR) Post #AQYlXZQYArHLIfzWHw by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T00:48:28Z
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@paoloredaelli @alyssa SQLite specifically choose that code-of-conduct because they didn't think their non-collaborative project actually needed one, yet they worked with others who disagreed.They're not endorsing it as an actual code-of-conduct, its a bureaucratic box-ticking exercise to them.
(DIR) Post #AQYlXZtGS6FOjjQS2q by paoloredaelli@mastodon.uno
2022-12-12T01:06:09Z
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@alcinnzWell, AFAICS they do really believe in it, it's not a bureaucratic requirement (please note the verb 😀) It also has by far proved to be a code of conduct that works really well. @alyssa
(DIR) Post #AQYld0vNMrAy1s0Oci by birdulon@shpposter.club
2022-12-13T09:31:15.321340Z
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@Moon @alyssa That's the thing isn't it, venting at people about things they aren't responsible for and have no ability to change, often in the name of politics, is not a virtue, it's a toxic behaviour that harms projects.
(DIR) Post #AQYm9jFi5oRYmD7GsK by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-12-13T09:37:06Z
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@Moon @birdulon @alyssa I treat work as work also. I don't care if you're the black trans bi communist feminist person whatever the people calling themselves these days. I want to get my shit done and go home.
(DIR) Post #AQYmNAysJIWcXVebQG by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-12-13T09:39:36Z
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@Moon @birdulon @alyssa like all I'm going to say here I'm no going to kiss ass either. Don't like me fire me too. I'll find another job.
(DIR) Post #AQYmVdLKkBqEouBwB6 by birdulon@shpposter.club
2022-12-13T09:41:07.349065Z
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@iceloops @Moon @alyssa It takes a level of maturity to be able to work alongside people of different backgrounds and viewpoints on a common goal.
(DIR) Post #AQZABstXbxEQA3J8Ge by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2022-12-13T14:06:14.843801Z
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@birdulon @Moon @alyssa >Some people are upset that they can't spam tiananmen square copypasta at our chinese contributors. Some are upset that we haven't purged russians. Some equate banning needlessly divisive activities as supporting genocide.The problem with these rules in that in general these things never happens and a simple "don't be a dick" rule covers all alreadyBut of course, considering OP's post, this is one of those people who will consider shitlibs politics to be absolutely good people that do nothing wrong and has never ever forced a project to adopt annoying politics to shut them up
(DIR) Post #AQa2eD43br3SLiBLE0 by birdulon@shpposter.club
2022-12-14T00:16:39.951876Z
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@coolboymew @Moon @alyssa >The problem with these rules in that in general these things never happens and a simple "don't be a dick" rule covers all alreadyWe don't have a hyper-specific rule about it and it does happen, and a simple "you knew what you were trying to do, fuck off" works wonders.Maybe OP is one such person, in which case I hope they gain some self-awareness about that behaviour. If you want a diverse team to work, you can't spend every waking moment trying to sow division in it with politics, after all.
(DIR) Post #AQa3nOijk2ip3o9doG by awl@shitposter.club
2022-12-14T00:29:32.944868Z
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@alyssa >a dog whistle for exclusionary hateful politics>privileges the conduct of abusers and bigots towards marginalised peoplesYour ilk do not have a monopoly on what is and is not “hateful speech”. Part of why so many people dislike leftists and Jews and jannies without irony, is because words hurt you lot so much. You can’t take a joke, so you have to try and stifle the joke. Get fucked. Also >inb4 this is hateful speech
(DIR) Post #AQa5FvaJFO7x36NfSC by ademan@shitposter.club
2022-12-14T00:45:54.175544Z
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ok sociopath
(DIR) Post #AQa9Cs7M53ofFCdUJ6 by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T01:13:21Z
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@paoloredaelli @alyssa I'd argue that what is working very well for them is simply not welcoming randos into their project.
(DIR) Post #AQa9CsfO2X2QwkYfLs by tux0r@layer8.space
2022-12-12T07:23:50Z
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@alcinnz @paoloredaelli @alyssa The problem with “people, not software” is that good software needs a certain level of meritocracy. Software written by good people is not always a better (technical) choice than software written by talented assholes.Do you want to use ethical software or do you want to use awesome software? Sadly, they tend to not be the same thing.
(DIR) Post #AQa9Cuqnv3MLijuoQS by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-12-12T07:48:58Z
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@tux0r I'm not convinced this is dichotomy exists especially given how much software there is out there.But lets put it this way: it is valid to take the dev's attitude into account when choosing a project, especially since that can reflect on the longterm health of the project.Also, would this actually be "merit" you're talking about or privilege? It can be difficult to tell the two apart today!@paoloredaelli @alyssa
(DIR) Post #AQa9CvOpsWa7QHpzTE by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2022-12-14T01:30:05.292163Z
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@tux0r @paoloredaelli @alcinnz >I'm not convinced this is dichotomy exists especially given how much software there is out thereReminds me of https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/372
(DIR) Post #AQaL3t0GcKdYponnbE by union@mu.zaitcev.nu
2022-12-14T03:42:56.272646Z
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@Moon @birdulon @alyssa Did I tell you how one of my colleagues in Moscow was a hardcore commie revanchist? So in 1993 he went on to join the uprising. He came back when it was subjugated. Nobody batted an eye to it. I bet it was a fun vacation with all the shooting and tanks. He worked either on the memory controller in our CPU, or the FPU, I don't remember exactly. He was also famous for being a bit of a pig, so at one point enough cockroaches started living in his SPARCstation 5, that they shorted the motherboard and burned it. Apparently enough roaches together exude moisture. The crumbs from his food attracted them to his desk.
(DIR) Post #AQaLR9A2i3GfbiSy2K by union@mu.zaitcev.nu
2022-12-14T03:47:09.170424Z
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@MischievousTomato @Moon @alyssa Most codes of conduct recently are only there to enforce conformity and allow arbitrary enforcement. So if someone was booted out of a project for violating CoC, maybe I want to buy hardware that his fork supports. It is on a case-by-case basis.
(DIR) Post #AQaLVZK7Nc8JuJHsmW by birdulon@shpposter.club
2022-12-14T03:48:01.007131Z
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@union @Moon @alyssa makes me wonder if having coworkers on both sides of a conflict is better or worse for the bus factor. At least they won't be on the same planes if any get shot down?