Post AQQRqLSildHD8v0Ctk by Phancypants@masto.ai
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(DIR) Post #AQOFOoZFNE7fXLEzy4 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2022-12-08T00:05:35Z
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Still internally discussing wether to join or not join the UFoI
(DIR) Post #AQOFOp4RVF4n65puam by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-12-08T07:38:44Z
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@koyu Don't really see why not. After all, you can bail out anytime when you think it's not a fit.
(DIR) Post #AQOFOpdtNRQss2QDqa by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-08T07:42:54Z
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@trinsec Thats my thinking, its a no risk proposition, get involved, try to use that to push the project int he right direction, if it seems to not go as planned jump ship.@koyu
(DIR) Post #AQQMLcU2vtEPBa9TZw by chris@social.inzeiten.de
2022-12-08T22:47:23Z
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@trinsec leaving the federation of good-faith actors might be considered the ultimate proof for bad faith acting. That's why. @koyu
(DIR) Post #AQQMLcyX6XcMi8Pp68 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2022-12-09T08:08:13Z
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@chris @trinsec I don't consider qoto a bad faith actor. There's enough proof.
(DIR) Post #AQQMLdINujUthhhg2a by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:10:11Z
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@koyu Gotta love themanipulative language too "leaving the federation of good faith actors"... translation "We will block you simply for trying to join an organization which pledges to adhere to ethics, transparency, and evidence based moderation"@chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQNXJRXeN31Yv7UVk by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:23:35Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec So, I'm having a bad brain night. Take that into considerationBut you have to acknowledge that the UFI has *strong* colonization vibes to it.Masto's been doing well on it's own for years now and despite what it's going for, the UFI has strong vibes of "Well don't worry, we've just arrived and can sort this whole thing out"
(DIR) Post #AQQNpH0RRxI1DT0Zvs by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:26:47Z
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@Phancypants Im not sure that characterization is correct... I am one of the oldest members of the fediverse, as is QOTO, both of us have been here 5 years.. its hardly that we have "just arrived"...As for the fedi doing fine on its own... it hasnt.. it has been toxic and dividing for a long time, but until recently has been managable, recently the toxicity has went through the roof.There is a reason the post about the UFoI on reddit has broken the all time record on that sub reddit with not just the most votes but with 90% up votes... people see the problem and its crippling.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQNx5PgR545ZuXZTM by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2022-12-09T08:28:11Z
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@freemo @Phancypants @chris @trinsec oh I've joined the fediverse in 2011
(DIR) Post #AQQNyudlSaTGkIzubo by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:27:09Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec Trying to centralize a community that's thrived on decentralization based on a board of directors that randomly elects itself?I really don't get it.
(DIR) Post #AQQNyv9JZHhyK9l6mm by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:28:33Z
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@Phancypants Centralized? No its not centralized at all, it was built to be decentralized... instance admins still get to make their own moderation decisions, there is no punishment for not joining, coalitions are community run and self defined, and it isnt designed to need to be the only federation, it is open source with the intention of people forming sister federations..It is very much a decentralized model.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQO1ezy4ZF76Oh2oq by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:29:04Z
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@koyu Well you certainly have me beat by quite a while :)@Phancypants @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQODnaTxtHBDPYp8a by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:31:15Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec I mean, I have a couple accounts on Masto now.I have a professional account, I have this account, and I have an extremely horny fetish account.I am 1000% okay with the fact that the 3rd account is not federated with the first 2. The system seems to be working for me.
(DIR) Post #AQQOR8EQWO1T0UbO4m by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:33:38Z
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@Phancypants It works for a lot of people.. until it doesnt...Remember I met you on someones thread who literally was a LGBTQ member who got banned from 33 different servers and put on at least one block list simply for joining the UFoI, and was banned largly exclusively by the LGBTQ community (basing this off the name of the block list, Fediblock.lgbt)... Do you really think that describes something that is "working"?@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQOWtMEjfOQc60AJU by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:34:43Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec That's my thing... do we need to get into "community run coalitions"? This doesn't need to turn into Eve Online.I'm genuinely worried about a buncha randos talking about who feds with who.Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the whole thing
(DIR) Post #AQQOdP4TjpEoi0ngiu by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:35:53Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec Rethink that post
(DIR) Post #AQQOhZBU528nES3vSi by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:36:36Z
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@Phancypants How is that any different than the fediblock.lgbt block list that got him blocked? Isnt that the exactt same thing .. a coalition talking about who can fed with who?The difference here is that these coalitions simply adhere to transparency, evidence, and ethics in an attempt to make them more fair.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQOkeQJ3eUCLjSxaC by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:37:10Z
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@Phancypants What about the post do you think needs rethinking? If i said something improper Id be happy to reconsider it, im just not sure what you mean by that.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQP1kAKxdXt5A9ArA by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:40:15Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec *theyThey, like I, are non-binary, and I'm sure that we'd both ask that you respect that
(DIR) Post #AQQPH8yezgeKNV1pk8 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:43:02Z
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@Phancypants Yes absolutely.. I always try to honor whatever pronouns you wish to use. That user has blocked me so I cant even see their profile to even know what pronouns they prefer. I simply misremembered, no disrespect intended.I will occasionally slip up on pronouns, but it is never intentional. I appreciate the reminder.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQPQtJ66vsqfnEgSG by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:44:49Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec My dude, I have been in so many queer spaces where we're basically pointing bayonettes at each other while making sure it's cool to let our guard down.And I'm kinda better with that system than "Don't worry, we have a committee who decides who is cool"
(DIR) Post #AQQPpDAju7E1EYvIn2 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:49:11Z
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@Phancypants Thats fine.. look if your ok with the fact that they got on 33 block lists simply for wanting a system with more transparency and evidence, if you think that is a system that works better than "all evidence will be public".. then by all means, stick with it.The UFoI is **not** intending to be a dictator or forcing anyone into it. If you dont join the UFoI you will interact with the UFoI members just as you always did, on a case by case basis... IF you join and want a system where accusations are heard fairly, transparently, and both sides get to present their evidence, then join.No one is forcing you to join, noting about the system hurts you (as the rules are designed to not effect instances outside of the UFoI)... so while I understand you may not want to join you really have to wonder why anyone would be so violently opposed to someone else joining, especially when its one of their own, a member of the LGBTQ community who clearly did nothing wrong....the way they were treated was wrong and IMO shows the very problem that needs correcting.. but again if thats a problem you think isnt a problem, then no one is stopping you from not joining...@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQQIsd0qnXiCnILg0 by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T08:54:35Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec I mean, I don't think I'm violently doing anything tbh. You seem like a nice chap who said nice things to me when I was down earlier. I'm a rando queer who posts comic book frames I think are funny and occasionally latex-fetish jokes. Although it's hard to set those up, so often the #drone on.I just don't get what you're trying to do
(DIR) Post #AQQQLKWY6cgjIlRKhk by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:55:00Z
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@Phancypants One thing you have to remember, QOTO got its start, and grew as big as it did, because we started as LGBTQ refugees from across the fediverse... the LGBTQ community were abusing their own in much the same way T1C is being abused now, by being blocked and exiled for absurd things that they thought was in their best interest in terms of safety.... QOTO was literally a server of LGBTQ exiles in the early days... Now we are a more mixed group but that central core remains.Everythign I have always done has been at their behest and based off of their feedback. UFoI included@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQQWBcVYCL6s8P5vc by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T08:56:56Z
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@Phancypants Sorry I wasnt clear with my words, no I dont think youa re being violent or rude at all.. I use violently opposed in the colloquial usage of the term as meaning (extremely agressive and militant). I am also not refering to you but rather how the community treated them, 33 blocks for wanting to improve interinstance moderation with more ethics and transparency... you really dont see why thats harmful and dictates a problem? Do you really think their actions deserved 33 blocks?@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQQnWFe65nXmWyW2a by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:00:04Z
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@Phancypants I just don’t get what you’re trying to doTo this point its simple.. I’m trying to create a fediverse where t1c doesnt wind up on 33 block lists for doing absolutely nothing wrong other than wants to improve a system and make it better.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQR4SB0V5ym4CsdaS by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:03:10Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec My dude, if I knew what I was trying to do I'd be 10 years further in a 30 year plan that I'd theoretically have.All I know is that I'm really suspicious whenever someone looks at a buncha folx and is like "I can organize this"
(DIR) Post #AQQRKqOcDkYPod3qr2 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:06:08Z
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@Phancypants I am not faulting you for being skeptical, skeptical is good.. even as I try to build this i am skeptical.. I know there is a problem, I know people need to try to solve the problem... I am going to do my best to solve it and as the system matures ill try to adjust it to work as best I can.. if it fails, it fails and I leave.. but I do know there is a problem and people need to try to fix it.Skeptical is good, as I said.. Ideally what I'd love to see is you join the discussions and use that skeptisim to help build the UFoI, suggest things that can make it work, criticize the thigns you dont, and make we will stand a better chance of getting a solution.... or dont, if you dont want to thats fine too.. but if you dont want to at least let the people who are trying to try, and when you see people get on 33 block lists just for trying to solve a problem that you call it out as a problem if nothign else.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQRSA7dHIjD1QbhPk by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:03:37Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec Like, you're the one with the sales pitch my dude.
(DIR) Post #AQQRSAg1DSEYk4hA0m by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:07:26Z
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@Phancypants Its not a sales pitch, its an idea, and a discussion.. call it a vision is you will... sales pitch implies I want to sell you something, I dont... I want people who like the idea to join, people who dont to leave me alone and let me me try without harassing me and everyone i talk to in an effort to make it fail before it even began (not you doing this, but the others)@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQRSBjFIwPS0NDFgG by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:05:32Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec And again, I think you peresonally are a cool guy based on our DMs. I appreciate you reaching out earlier this evening, it meant a lot to me.I... just don't get this.
(DIR) Post #AQQRbIX3NZMziAqzcO by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:09:06Z
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@Phancypants I think you are a fine person as well, and I appreciate you.. I have no ill will towards you.. I have no problem with you not getting it, as I said if anything i welcome the criticism so I can use yoru feedback to improve.If I seem defensive its because those same 33 people who suspended t1c are harassing me and everyone who touched UFoI, and it is disfusting what they are doing.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQRqLSildHD8v0Ctk by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:11:50Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec This might be a case where I just gotta back away because I don't get it.I just view this like a buncha forums that can sometimes crosspost to each other.I have a serious account where I talk about my job.I have this account where I talk about comics and my *ALLEGEDLY* weird hog (it's fine and normal)I have another account where I RP some weird but honestly... wholesome shit. I do not understand why we need to unify everything
(DIR) Post #AQQSLv8u9spomSn1qi by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:17:32Z
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@Phancypants Ahh i think i see your failing.. you think the UFoI is about unifying everything together, about forcing people to federate... nothing could be farther fromt he truth. The reason the UFoI doesnt assign any penalty to instances outside the UFoI is precisely because I DONT want to force everyone to federate.The UFoI is more about addressing the lies and gossip that are a dominating factor fueling decisions to defederate. By having due process as the UFoI's central principle it means anyone who decides to be part of the UFoI aggress defederation decisions ultimately will be explained on public record, have the evidence on display, and allow the other side to show their evidence.. The reason is simple, if someone chooses to defederate from you (meaning you get kicked from the UFoI) those reasons arent just whatever the offended person made up, those reasons are documents, and in plain view and includes evidence from both sides... so when people choose to block or defederate based on this decision it is done fully informed of the reasons.People who dont want all the due process can just not joint he UFoI, but at least you still get the benefit of having that data for yourself to view if you wish.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQSY9uH5l7I2smYvA by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:16:22Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec Also, I just want to say that a lot of the #UFI and #QOTO will likely end up talking about my hog. I just want to cut that off right now.#PhancysWeirdHog is not a discussion we are going to have, especially whether it leans right or left on the topic of free speech
(DIR) Post #AQQSYAOPHjDfYKsct6 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:19:42Z
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@Phancypants I dont know what youa re saying with this statement.. what is "your hog"what is "PhancysWeirdHog".. why would we end up talking about it? what does it have to do with left vs righjt or free speech? I sincerely dont understand what your saying here.. im missing some context I guess.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQSdWonKnb0YJmO6y by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:20:44Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec It comes up a lot, I just wanted to cut it off at the pass
(DIR) Post #AQQSiDiTmYS2l03xAW by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:21:32Z
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@Phancypants I dont even knnow what it is, so im not sure why it would come up, nor would i know how to avoid the subject if i dont know what the subject is you are asking me to avoid... Is hog some sort of slang term? @koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQSphULUMqX7X1DYe by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:22:54Z
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@Phancypants FYI the hashtag itself doesnt return a single message other than the one in this thread... just saying.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQSsvRQ4LLHGNBhlQ by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:23:31Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec Honestly, I don't know. But sometimes when I post on popular accounts, people show up and are just posting about my allegedy weird hog
(DIR) Post #AQQT1hx7aZw62EChhg by Phancypants@masto.ai
2022-12-09T09:25:05Z
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@freemo @koyu @chris @trinsec Maybe UFI is worth it if that's not trending. I've taken a lot of grief on those hashtags
(DIR) Post #AQQT4EruBC3AhVyFs0 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:25:32Z
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@Phancypants Well if anyone from QOTO or the UFoI gives you any trouble about your "weird hog" (no idea what that is) just let me know and ill be happy to ask them not to... @koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQTEn9vXh3rwnQsl6 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T09:27:26Z
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@Phancypants The core tennant of QOTO is to be respectful to people, always has been. Doubly so to members of marginalized groups... no one on QOTO will be making fun of you for anything.. they will, at worse, walk away rather than attack you.As for the greater UFoI I am doing my best to pick instances to kick it off that will be respectful of others, as I said, instances you can be happy to interact with I hope.@koyu @chris @trinsec
(DIR) Post #AQQXXlhvYzAQlQdkkS by skobkin@lor.sh
2022-12-09T10:15:44Z
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@Phancypants @freemo @koyu @chris @trinsecI don't see any colonization vibes from UFoI.But with Fediblock on another hand... The only fact that they were using "defederate from X or we defederate from you" argument says a lot for me personally.For me it's much more colonizing vibes if not a blackmail.
(DIR) Post #AQR70IknmutBl9KGA4 by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2022-12-09T16:53:02Z
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@freemo Lmao, @freemo, you sound like my grandma here. 😆 To help you solve your confusion: "hog" is uncommon American slang for "penis". Phancy was making a joke.
(DIR) Post #AQRXMvRVDr46vgkO4O by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-09T21:48:27Z
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@LouisIngenthron LOL thanks! I had no idea.