Post AQNh96KOB0EBXpcvQm by CyclopsCaveman@cyrenesavage.com
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(DIR) Post #AQNh95cmn7LjMbE6T2 by CyclopsCaveman@cyrenesavage.com
2022-12-02T17:20:28Z
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i have experience moderating and i can tell you right now that moderation that requires a committee meeting every time you do anything is to slow at best and completely ineffective at correcting behavior at worst
(DIR) Post #AQNh96KOB0EBXpcvQm by CyclopsCaveman@cyrenesavage.com
2022-12-02T17:22:38Z
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need to change the rules? well lets make sure the whole mod team agrees on the change first and, oh oops one person doesn't agree that a word isn't acceptable to say anymore and is bringing people over to their side in chat, and now you can't change the rule you wanted to change because the whole team has been arguing about this and continues to argue about it for days on end until everyone is angry and noöne has come to a conclusion together
(DIR) Post #AQNh96vbwc0BPH2eRs by CyclopsCaveman@cyrenesavage.com
2022-12-02T17:26:15Z
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has a user been just barely a problem but not breaking any rules? first you have to bring up the possibility of corrective action or talking to in the chat–if you make a move on your own you're violating the moderation covenant and will automatically be in the wrong regardless of the benefit of the action. so you bring up the problem user first to make sure correction is warranted and half the team agrees and the other half is like "they're not breaking any rules so we can't do anything" and then after days of discussion again nothing is done about the user and people are still upset
(DIR) Post #AQNh97SDzM5d2QIhHc by CyclopsCaveman@cyrenesavage.com
2022-12-02T17:28:28Z
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did a user do something rule breaking a long time ago but it didn't come to tour attention until weeks or even months later? bring it up to the rest of the team, most of whom don't want to do anything because it was sufficiently long enough ago that the user wouldn't know what they even did or be able to learn from it so you're stuck with people being upset about the rule breaking but not being able to do anything because the rest of the team doesn't want to do anything
(DIR) Post #AQNh983RkxrctriQIi by CyclopsCaveman@cyrenesavage.com
2022-12-02T17:30:51Z
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and remember: if you don't pass anything through the democratically elected committee to ensure your actions are above board, you're now the one automatically in the wrong and your decision is now under question because its a potential abuse of power. its more likely your decision is reversed and people are upset and the user that broke a rule not only doesn't learn anything but just got a get out of jail free card, incentivizing them to continue their disruptive behavior
(DIR) Post #AQNh98efWZdclJ89Jo by CyclopsCaveman@cyrenesavage.com
2022-12-02T17:34:25Z
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users will do anything and everything to avoid getting into trouble or getting banned, up to and including using the rules, precedent, and lack of precedent to argue against corrective action being taken against them of any kind. even restorative action because the user, to themselves, is not in the wrong. moderation often requires swift action and stiffness of response in order for it to stick because the other option is just letting them stick around to potentially cause more problems.
(DIR) Post #AQNh99AZbx9uMG3d32 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-12-08T01:19:05Z
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@CyclopsCaveman One of the most common fallacies that unconsciously sabotages moderation discussions is the idea that no moderation policy can be applied to an online community, unless it would also make sense when applied to the internet as a whole. Being booted off the net - even temporarily - is a very stiff penalty, with huge consequences for someone's life. Getting booted off a private server is a minor nuisance by comparison, and might encourage better behaviour in future.