Post AQK2WiZBUdQTCmoIAS by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
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(DIR) Post #AQJs3NVdhmOfxSWUnA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T05:02:34.822603Z
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same question 3 years later #rigveda
(DIR) Post #AQJu9zgyr39u1g6tkm by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:24:40.087392Z
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@jeffcliff This is a pretty gay question in the first place. I don't see how taking the religios practices of the Hinus somehow requires that the people covered by the term spanned thousands of kilometers. But it's even gayer when it's supposed to be some kind of pwn but with zero understanding of the usage of the term during the late 1800's and early 1900's. Just gay all around.Gay Jeff
(DIR) Post #AQJuA0TtvAI4TOzy0O by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T05:26:11.129081Z
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@NailBomb this would be 'taking the religious practices of the hindus' like christianity is 'taking the religious practice of the jews'the modern hindus have like 5000 or whatever years of divergence from the original faith. But this is the original thing
(DIR) Post #AQJubEeZKznuFIyJzE by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:28:50.411719Z
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@jeffcliff No it wouldn't be at all.
(DIR) Post #AQJukiUdlNF1Omqh96 by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:32:50.326631Z
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@NailBomb @jeffcliff This is very much a thing modern Hindus do for reference- they don't eat beef out of respect for cows.
(DIR) Post #AQJuuJngQR0pi9Knw0 by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:34:32.959509Z
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The serious ones don’t eat meat at all. I find myself in this bizarre circumstance where I’m forced to agree with Jeff Cliff of all people. Sanatana Dharma is plainly the primary influence on Nazism. Hitler’s vegetarianism is not some quirk of his, but a core component of the ideology. It is truly strange how few National Socialists are vegetarians
(DIR) Post #AQJv8fFlScheIgJHd2 by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T05:37:03.232894Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff even Hitler was wrong sometimes
(DIR) Post #AQJvJGg3Ar6hGSf3JY by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:39:02.257860Z
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If Hitler was so wrong about such a core element of National Socialism, you should not call yourself such a thing
(DIR) Post #AQJvKPmCpRDZm75TGa by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:39:17.361647Z
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@balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff You guys are completely out of your depth here. National Socialism, a political ideology specifically tailored to Germany in the early 20th century, does not require one to follow Hinduism and there was no proof that Hitler ever read or followed the works of Hinduism. Hitler was a vegetarian for health reasons not ideological ones.
(DIR) Post #AQJvYG01ya5LVS9cw4 by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:41:45.332165Z
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Aryan is a Sanskrit word which had all the specific connotations in which Hitler used it, the Swastika is the symbol of Surya or the Chakravartin (depending on context), the Nazi flag is a depiction of a solar eclipse in a very similar symbolic sense as the Imperial Japanese flag, the SS were using old Germanic pagan symbols, Hermann Hesse wrote the novel Siddhartha, and Hitler sought to ban meat-eating throughout the Reich. You have not understood the esoteric element of this ideology
(DIR) Post #AQJvctqPm9WAF1s0vo by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:41:41.113098Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @jeffcliff It's a gay conversation all around when looking at how the term was used in the late 1800's and early 1900's. This type of argument is a strawman of which the strength lies in ignorance of the concept in its context.Equally idiotic would be to ask why don't Britons, French, and Germans all speak the same language and have the same cultural practices if they are Europeans? Being in a similar geographic area and having shared ancestry does not automatically equate to a cookie cutter result.Gay thread. Pozzed thread.
(DIR) Post #AQJvjC1D7LsuLRv8u8 by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:43:42.489103Z
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Also, to specifically address your assertion that Hitler’s reasons were not ideological: An extended chapter of our talk was devoted by the Fuhrer to the vegetarian question. He believes more than ever that meat eating is wrong. Of course he knows that during the war we cannot completely upset our food system. After the war, however, he intends to tackle this problem also. Maybe he is right. Certainly the arguments he adduces in favour of his standpoint are very compelling.–Dr J. Goebbels, _Goebbels’ Diaries (entry of April 26th, 1942), published in 1948.)
(DIR) Post #AQJvlKEZXl0MP7Bg3c by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T05:44:05.265856Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff the ideal hyperborean diet is mostly meat and dairy, with some fresh veggies added for flavor and variety~
(DIR) Post #AQJvw6ggFYP1ZjTYbw by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:46:03.849915Z
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Dairy and eggs are fine if it they extracted in such a way as to respect the needs of the mother animals’ offspring. Meat, however, I cannot endorse. Though I have yet to give it up myself
(DIR) Post #AQJwHbpdeOc6FWv28m by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:49:59.376564Z
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@balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff Hitler having a personal opinion on something does not mean it is a core tenet of National Socialism that everyone must follow to be a National Socialist. Liking the aesthetics and particular values of another culture does not mean you must adopt all aspects of it into your political ideology. Respecting a shared heritage does not require you re-enact the part of your history you share, otherwise Englishmen would need to learn old German to be proper National Socialists but they don't.
(DIR) Post #AQJwIdh0DZjWJHN2Z6 by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:45:35.788011Z
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@GoodBoyUV @balrog_booger @jeffcliff I haven't heard about health reasons, but there is second hand evidence of an aversion to animal suffering, out of empathy and not a particular ideology. Albert Speer mentions that Hitler sometimes brought up animal suffering at the dinner table amongst meat eaters (Speer may be a bad example though after being caught in several lies regarding occurrences in the Reich)
(DIR) Post #AQJwJEYRANrmdQeDqq by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T05:50:09.524323Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff we're predators. hunting and eating meat is our role in the ecosystem.why else would we have canine teeth, a short digestive tract, a single stomach, and forward facing eyes that instinctively track movement?
(DIR) Post #AQJwNBoBJn2FHCtkuG by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:50:58.366071Z
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You’ve sidestepped the core of the point that I was making which was the esoteric element of the elite of the Party. They plainly had intentions they kept from the public, and those intentions are intimately tied up with Sanatana Dharma
(DIR) Post #AQJwS9vFl1hSsKZkgq by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:51:52.194074Z
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Because Man is fallen, and in this context of natural selection, the ones who eat meat have been decisively superior in the Darwinian contest
(DIR) Post #AQJwXUO36AoXnCaPOC by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:52:51.573136Z
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@NailBomb @balrog_booger @jeffcliff There's a lot of reasons I've seen, including what @didymus poasted in another part of this thread which matches this and I'm willing to believe, the one I'm most inclined to believe based on reading it a while back is that he switched due to looking for any solution to his digestive issues and it worked well enough so he stuck to it. I've also read that he claimed it was necessary because the gas attack in WW1 messed up his digestive tract not allowing him to properly digest meat anymore.
(DIR) Post #AQJwXsKg4MNU3hC3Sy by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T05:52:53.191817Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff you understand we're superior. very good!
(DIR) Post #AQJwbfHyVUqglMjiNc by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:53:34.518542Z
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Superior in the sense of being better adapted to this fallen world, yes. In the Ultimate Sense, it is not so
(DIR) Post #AQJwrcwwyIGu8qVu3U by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:56:29.588595Z
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@balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff The esoteric beliefs of the elite were not required to be believed to be a National Socialist in the Third Reich itself in its time nor were they believed uniformly by the elite itself, and it makes even less sense to hold a believer in the ideology today to the same purity standard.
(DIR) Post #AQJwrhU4778aCi2PE8 by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T05:56:24.193470Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff remember the thing where God gave us dominion over the animals?just because we're the deadliest predator the earth has ever known doesn't make that a bad thing
(DIR) Post #AQJwvzZEp1KNRmVIDg by Turdicus@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:57:17.145066Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff I thought the deadliest predator was hippos
(DIR) Post #AQJwwtawVrxvDHjReS by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:57:25.637126Z
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The King has dominion over his Kingdom, but he is not righteous unless he uses that dominion well. So too with Man and the animals
(DIR) Post #AQJx1rKGNPdDckITPk by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:57:56.838058Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @jeffcliff The swastika was already in use in Germany before Hitler was born and before Prussian socialism was even conceived, in fact they even decorated old German churches. The National Socialst adoption of the swastika was a product of a perceived link to Roman and Europa as a whole thanks to Heinrich Schliemann who noticed swastikas on ancient Roman artifacts and carvings and also on ancient German artifacts and carvings.
(DIR) Post #AQJx2kJnuowcBFVNpo by James10550088@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:58:30.626577Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff What if I killed and ate Jeff Cliff?
(DIR) Post #AQJx4X7ZxA7TpTdggq by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T05:58:43.736957Z
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@Turdicus @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff hippos didn't eat the megafauna to death, man did
(DIR) Post #AQJx5dDclhMN1uzTYO by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:58:59.543604Z
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They plainly sought to repaganize Europe. They obviously did not broadcast this intention because it would have met with resistance, but we have a hindsight about the NS leadership today which they did not. True believers are held to an even higher standard than they were back then, but hardly anyone calling himself a National Socialist today recognizes this fact.
(DIR) Post #AQJx6qjnzSfJFRcjcu by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T05:59:10.187499Z
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@James10550088 @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff acceptable, though you may wish not to, as he's a vaccine enjoyer
(DIR) Post #AQJxAm930aF8A6IpCy by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T05:59:56.026706Z
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Roman religion is a sister tradition of Sanatana Dharma. They bear much in common. It is as you say: there are links between the Swastika and Old Rome. That is precisely the point.
(DIR) Post #AQJxDls8TlEWBVowfg by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:00:27.991989Z
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I would consider that better than eating defenseless animals because Cliff could at least understand your intentions and potentially defend himself
(DIR) Post #AQJxEcaaTjghgR1BB2 by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T06:00:29.245756Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff what's the point of having animals if you can't eat them?
(DIR) Post #AQJxKTO3bYLwsgwnXk by RahowasaurusRex1979@mugicha.club
2022-12-06T06:01:41.961531Z
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Wait in line
(DIR) Post #AQJxV48rnza1lptRa4 by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:02:24.104084Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @jeffcliff There oldest swastikas in the world are found in Europe. That is my point.
(DIR) Post #AQJxV4iJgBw7XmTkps by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:03:35.825083Z
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That is not an insignificant fact, but it strengthens the relationship between NS and Sanatana Dharma. It does not undermine it. It is truly an Aryan symbol for the ages
(DIR) Post #AQJxb7fnabk0SZBXTU by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:04:43.230140Z
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@balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff Right, I'm saying their particular ideas for what to do in an ideal situation following the war are not as important for the ideology as what they actually implemented based on real circumstances, and their reasonings for doing so. Nordicism was clearly part of the ideology but in reality Hitler said it would divide the country more than strengthen it so it wasn't actually implemented as the ideological elite would have preferred for example as uniting the country around one cause was of greater pragmatic importance.
(DIR) Post #AQJxgMm4s2sAk9cdsm by James10550088@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:05:40.129855Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff >defend himselfOverestimating Jeffyboi.
(DIR) Post #AQJxhU1jOLOPWgTcMS by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:05:51.312622Z
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That’s like saying what the jews sought to do in an ideal situation didn’t matter during it. If they had won, the entire ideological landscape would be different
(DIR) Post #AQJxjO9yB061uPEraK by LovecraftEnthusiast@nicecrew.digital
2022-12-06T06:05:59.195413Z
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Are you triple vaccinated? I dont think Jeff, peace be upon him, will let the unclean feast upon his bounty
(DIR) Post #AQJxtl5bmNfPv58xYe by askedfornopickles@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:07:11.976210Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff If it were a "core element of National Socialism" why wasn't it at least 1 of the 25 points?
(DIR) Post #AQJxwhFqUfzstXKhma by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:08:35.185632Z
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This is a fair point. I don’t know what they were thinking at the time, but I assume it relates to the Goebbels quote I posted about how they sought to not upset the food supply until the period of stability after the war
(DIR) Post #AQJy3dBS1lyqIQaGdE by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:09:52.275254Z
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@balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff But the ideological landscape is not as such, so it is pointless to hold people to such purity tests. Hitler did not think it was practical to make the people vegetarian during his time thus he never attempted to implement it.
(DIR) Post #AQJy5KB3fD3TvcCw64 by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:07:40.706270Z
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@LovecraftEnthusiast @James10550088 @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @jeffcliff Hey guys, is there anyway to mute a thread in my notificatons? The exponential increase in faggorty is ruining my night.
(DIR) Post #AQJy5LX4cqGA8BW23E by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:08:08.851243Z
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@LovecraftEnthusiast @James10550088 @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @jeffcliff Found it! Crisis averted
(DIR) Post #AQJy8PY29VvFSBQTvU by askedfornopickles@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:09:56.892090Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff War time rationing doesn't really count as a core ideological belief.
(DIR) Post #AQJybYgLGtFwBED8Fc by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:15:59.264827Z
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He never attempted to implement it because he died. He expressed clear interest in doing so the instant the war was over, despite the ideological landscape.
(DIR) Post #AQJyeZr7MbzIgngsVc by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:16:31.900406Z
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Yes, that’s why I said fair point and that I didn’t know
(DIR) Post #AQJz830W3e4pV18gJE by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:21:52.549343Z
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@balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff I simply don't see it ever happening. Hitler also didn't drink or smoke but didn't try to outlaw those for example as it wouldn't be pragmatic. I will not be continuing further in this thread about hypotheticals as I've said what needed to be said already.
(DIR) Post #AQJzBp35tfB5Mm92oa by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:22:31.816796Z
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I will make this my last reply to you then. There is simply nothing hypothetical about what I’ve told you. I have explained their intentions, you have sought to come up with alternative explanations
(DIR) Post #AQJzaIIomg892qAWR6 by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-12-06T06:26:52.440254Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff the only reason I have a cat is so she eats lesser beings
(DIR) Post #AQK0W6MHLmRsnRLtPk by CatLord@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:37:25.801245Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff They also planned to convert German farms to Soy farms. I think they would have changed their minds once they saw the health effects.
(DIR) Post #AQK0ZdVkXt9OUET356 by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:38:02.949487Z
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I don’t know anything about that, but to be fair, we have no idea where technological society is going. Neither did they
(DIR) Post #AQK1HxKQE6u2gsInwW by scalar@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:46:04.650242Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff Interesting that the ability to biologically pull off a life-promoting vegetarian lifestyle, long-term, died with the Reich... getting harder and harder for the vast majority of each successive generation (some have genetics/epigenetics that can, but are tiny minority).Terraforming went into full steam ahead after and "nature's bounty" is no longer sustainable as a diet, long-term - especially now in the advent of synthbio, nanotechnology.
(DIR) Post #AQK1U1OAxIM0l7oMds by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:48:13.459568Z
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I think there’s also a basic problem in that vegetarianism largely is conflated with veganism. There are ample ways to get animal proteins for the health of the body which do not involve slaughtering living creatures. Many confuse a life affirming diet of eggs, milk, cheese, and plants with the jewish frankenfood scam
(DIR) Post #AQK23EMCjQsT7Ag796 by scalar@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:54:37.236622Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff Of course, but I mean for either vegan/vege. However, look at where we are at now - dairy/egg allergies that induce auto-immunity is a ever-growing issue. Seen it time and time again, that even those eating "healthy", but have issues that won't budge - remove the dairy and cheese. Dirty secret of industry is that bovine retroviruses are detectable in dairy products, and contrary to "muh experts" they do have a negative effect.On the esoteric bit, it's an interesting characteristic, aspect of "The End", whereby to sustain yourself - the vast majority's most optimal option is animal protein.
(DIR) Post #AQK2Ptrf5ZroDbCZk0 by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T06:58:43.050826Z
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@scalar @balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff For what it's worth I think vegetarianism is a perfectly viable solution depending on the person or group and I have nothing against it, my disagreement was with it being an ideological requirement.
(DIR) Post #AQK2SSWZCCT4IDYTR2 by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:59:08.748738Z
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Yes, that esoteric element is lost on all but a few. It is truly a sign of the degree of Man’s fallen-ness that he should even need such a thing to begin with, either by practical or biological necessity. Most look at things through a secular or political lens still. They do not see the true cosmic, metaphysical significance of such facts. The auto-immune problems that prevent people from eating such are themselves such evidence of the degeneration of Life. The presence of such powerful viruses are likewise such evidence. We are very near The End, from a cosmic standpoint.
(DIR) Post #AQK2WiZBUdQTCmoIAS by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-12-06T06:59:55.660931Z
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I do not preach it as some sort of way to be a cool-kid-national-socialist-internet-personality. God created everything and lives in everything. I bid you to respect that fact for your own good
(DIR) Post #AQK2vYGev9eGVHzF68 by scalar@poa.st
2022-12-06T07:04:26.217548Z
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@GoodBoyUV @balrog_booger @NailBomb @jeffcliff That and veganism are great for short-term interventions in cases where "tried everything and still fucked" for dramatic "hormetic leveraging". If you live an ancestral lifestyle in between the tropics, apparently you have the microbiome that you see vegans claim exists ("can produce vitC, b12 on their own", etc.) that doesn't in modern society - it's doable, thrivable.Wished that wasn't the case and it was viable and long-term sustainable, even if it's not the zogslop, synthbio they're producing.Think it's a ymmv, to each their own, try to do their best.You might be surprised how many Vegan/Vege youtubers/influencers actually use dessicated organ supplements (liver, heart, brain, thyroid). Not judging, just relaying.
(DIR) Post #AQK4ue6Fx280D7ohTE by CatLord@poa.st
2022-12-06T07:26:41.180110Z
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@jeffcliff Why would they worship cows? The Aryans had sacred goats, horses, and cows (AFAIK) and they ate them too. The horse was probably the most sacred animal of the early Aryan period, so you could just as easily ask why we aren't worshipping horses.
(DIR) Post #AQKZry5MHnwHuAbG8O by Turdicus@poa.st
2022-12-06T13:13:33.391010Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @jeffcliff They did WHAT
(DIR) Post #AQKqwtsJ4BxNVzQsqm by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:24:55.291771Z
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@didymus @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb I don't know whether they did or not, I don't recall whether the rigveda covered that -- 3 years is too long. but i do know they were very serious about their cows
(DIR) Post #AQKr2XXr09YnzuYUYy by NailBomb@poa.st
2022-12-06T05:36:12.739037Z
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@jeffcliff But this argument is as gay as saying, "Wow the Americans are protesting in the street about the presidential election and the military is about to step in" in reference to Brazil knowing full well common vernacular would make one assume the conversation was about the USA as apposed to people in the Americas.That is exactly parallel to the argument you're making. People like Darrė and Rosenberg wrote entire books on what Aryanism means in German National Socialism.It is gay Jeff. I know you're better than this.
(DIR) Post #AQKr2Y8MoOldp9deTY by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:25:52.969659Z
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@NailBomb > Darrė and Rosenberg wrote entire books on what Aryanism means in German National Socialism.sadly "rosenberg" is um, a common name do you have any titles for their book?
(DIR) Post #AQKrlO2TBxsTXuGCFE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:34:02.712913Z
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@GoodBoyUV @balrog_booger @NailBomb It's not about hinduism. It's about aryanism.Germany in the early 20th century was to a large degree motivated by their Aryan heritage.I agree : Hinduism is not national socialism and there is no reason for an aryan to follow hinduism. Hinduism, as I understand it, is a religion that covers many castes, many tribes and unifies some of them in a syncretized way. But their history goes all the way back to when Aryans were actually described as a people.
(DIR) Post #AQKsC2esnAC53QwCTQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:38:42.385633Z
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@NailBomb @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @skylar > Equally idiotic would be to ask why don't Britons, French, and Germans all speak the same language and have the same cultural practices if they are EuropeansThe English, French and German speak languages that are influenced by eachother, and have a long history of conquering eachother. Currently the English monarch is a German that draws heritage from French kings who speaks fluent English. Currently the French have no monarchs and the German monarchs have no power and are not much more than museum shopkeepers with better than average manners and upbringing. All 3 have massively imported foreigners which are going to change the cultural, linguistic and genetic makeup of their nations within a few generations at most.But at the same time: we can look at the core parts of what it means to be an englishman, core achievements of their race and culture worth saving, core things of value to them and defend them.
(DIR) Post #AQKsSgYsCWaDRe3yNs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:41:40.080744Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb not that anyone in this thread needs a refresher i'm sure but just as a side note for outside observers @Ovpod has an episode on this esoteric element and imho it's one of their more interesting ones https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/ovpod/70A.mp3
(DIR) Post #AQKsYY16slrGgL49IG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:42:56.343198Z
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@balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb i wonder if Hitler would have encouraged germans to eat the bugs
(DIR) Post #AQKsdinOEccFYk7DyS by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2022-12-06T16:43:51.733305Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb I suppose that depends on if he considered bugs "meat".
(DIR) Post #AQKsghkyYPbnCpPPOa by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:44:24.710231Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb The Importance of Dairy #Rigveda@jeffcliff 🤝 @skylar
(DIR) Post #AQKtJTIOFn9peKWWbA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:51:24.886499Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb the thing about humanity is as a species we are capable of being in many different places in the ecosystem. We are omnivores -- both capable of fluorishing with meat or under a vegetarian diet(like Hitler), or even with synthetic food (like Cocacola or Soylent). We have long broken whatever cycle of predator-prey that defined our teeth, they are vestigal parts of us that will no doubt fade with evolutionary time should we as a species live to see it.
(DIR) Post #AQKtYQ8WHX4MCA2EPg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T16:54:07.088637Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb is this one of those cases where christianity is more bloody and violent than naziism/aryanism?
(DIR) Post #AQKuwNcvMcmxJeFG9g by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T17:09:39.072656Z
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@skylar @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZeyCkcQScSeriously though you'd have to ask a hindu why they keep cows around I honestly don't get it either. Cows and Buffalo are in the Bovinae subfamily, wikipedia doesn't list mrca but these guys estimate one https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-021-02877-6/figures/1 - I suspect the original aryans were closer to the plains cree in their treatment of the buffalo. It's not that they didn't eat them (they probably did) but that they worshipped them and had them as a central, core part of their culture. In principle, though you could get milk (for drinking) and manure (for fertilizing soil) and a companion (cows apparently like some music apparently even, even so you could have an audience of cows if you wanted a dumb, probably receptive audience). Some animals (like sheep) have fur or wool that can be used to make clothing at no real cost to the animal, others (dogs) can be used as a defense mechanism. Others yet (horse) can be used for transportation.
(DIR) Post #AQKv5p2gnpzkwxnb28 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T17:11:20.834977Z
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@NailBomb @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV what are the oldest swastikas in europe?
(DIR) Post #AQKvta8MVSaNBvBBgG by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T17:20:21.376018Z
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@jeffcliff @skylar @balrog_booger @NailBomb Hindus keep cows around out of respect for them as motherly creatures I believe, they provide milk and thus are respected as mother like figures (figuratively not literally) which I can understand and respect.
(DIR) Post #AQKxjHFs2hz5eTuDWy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T17:40:53.798512Z
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@askedfornopickles @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb ok let's take a look at these 25presupposition 1: right of self-determination of peoples.this is one of those things that is hard to get, but a good thing to strive for.> 1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany This is actually a reasonable ask, though the way they carried it out went too far.> 2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; A reasonable ask.> abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles This is, in retrospect, the most obvious thing in this whole document> and St. Germain.I have no idea how reasonable this was but if it's anything like versailles it's a reasonable ask.> 3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.In retrospect, the way they went about this undermined their respect for self-determination in other peoples but in principle there's plenty of space on the moon.> 4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.Not my cup of tea for my country but they do make a good case for this elsewhere tbh. Internal german cultural question.> 5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.reasonable on its own> 6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, officeholding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.reasonable ask> 7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich. totally fair> 8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.totally fair, given the shit they were dealing with> 9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations. great> 10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:spiritually? ehhh this is mostly a justification for further rules below:> 11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.great> Breaking of rent-slavery.good idea in principle, hard in practice to do without massive complications. heart's in the right place though and worth a try> 12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people.Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.good idea informed by experience no doubt. compare/contrast with islam> 13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).internal german political issue, but the socialist in me says yes go for it> 14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.??> 15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.great idea especially in context was overdue> 16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmostconsideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.seems like a good idea especially the part about a healthy middle class> 17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the freeexpropriation of land for the purposes of public utility,seems reasonable> abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.debatable though the two policies go hand in hand.> 18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber1and so forth are to be punished withdeath, without consideration of confession or race.this is a little overly harsh but is mostly an internal german issue. i find it harder and harder with time to view outgroups negatively for dealing with their outgroups in a harsh manner.19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.makes sense20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the Statemust be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. Wedemand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.debatable. tl;dr 'expand the state and get us on the road to serfdom'. internal german political question. made sense at the time. is there room to expand the state here especially wrt gifted chidlren? probably. Does it need to go to all institutions? no> 21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and childNAZIS MUST DEFEND THE #PUBLICHEALTH :siren:> , by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment ofa gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physicalinstruction of the young.this turned out to be mostly a good idea, to the point where i think this is where a substantial advantage in the war came -- but there's probably some room for some kinds of labour done by children. Delivering newspapers and babysitting was good for me. Working in a coal mine 16 hours a day or whatever is clearly too much, but perhaps some factory floor work doing fine detailed work with small hands would have also been good for me and for others.22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.seems like a reasonable ask23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that a: All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race b: Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in theGerman language c: Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications or any influence on them and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as theimmediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden.strong disagree, this kind of thinking is incompatible with an open and free internet> We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.Disagree especially on the closure of artistic organizations part.>24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race.OK as long as secular groups are not targetted> The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination.:siren:> It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.ok25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above withoutconsideration.not a big fan of central authorities but they are somewhat necessary and especially in context it made sense at the time.Of coursethese 25 points were from early in the nazi days -- it is as good place as any to define what is and isn't a nazi (or better: nationalist socialist - nazi being merely a pejorative to describe the latter (among others)), and hitler was certainly involved in thembut over time naziism drifted from these 25 points somewhat into being used to justify other things (invasion of france), and became more accurately 'hitlerism' -- disagreeing with hitler, personally even if supported by these 25 points would have been decided by hitler, himself. It is however reasonable to require justification of any 'nazi' things either by appealing to hitler, and his ideas, these 25 points, or the beliefs and urtext of the inner circles as in this thread.
(DIR) Post #AQKxynKP4tDJT7QQ9g by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T17:43:42.185482Z
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@askedfornopickles @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb unless your ideology is war
(DIR) Post #AQKy9nvBDFrcUfsQAC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T17:45:41.322988Z
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@GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @didymus recopying this public > Every European sees in Old India a land of his dreams. In the midst of a time of technical de-humanization, some of the best of us have become immersed in the ideas of Yajnavalkya and Cankara. Some are enraptured by the hero Rama, the god Krishna, or the poet Kalidasa. As a consequence, these Indian seekers preached Europe’s salvation through the ideas of old India. hey did not even notice that this Aryan India had once perished from the ideas of the later Upanishads, with their endless widening of the heart. A completely different phenomenon could be observed that already reveals the world-political consequences: the inflaming of Indian Nationalism against the nationally conscious European British. In the course of repressions during the victorious march of Western national ideas, many souls in the disintegrated India awoke to folkish self-awareness in all expressions of life. Indians began not only to study the religious books, but became enthused again for the heroes Rama and Arshona. Indians today travel Europe, praise the splendors of their people, and demand their freedom. Rabindranath Tagore sees the salvation of the world coming from this form of Nonviolent Indian Nationalism. –Myth of the 20th Century, Alfred Rosenberg according to @balrog_booger
(DIR) Post #AQKyOpdh6jegAKrcIq by kakkerel@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-06T17:48:25.309294Z
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@jeffcliff @skylar @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @balrog_booger Cow slaughter is very well attested in IE cultures from Ireland to India.Cows have a particular association with the PIE priestly caste. Horses with the PIE warrior caste.I don't believe that these animals were venerated. They were the particular subject of ritual slaughter precisely because of their importance. The life of a horse may have been considered equivalent to the life of a man. So the sacrifice of a horse has an equivalence to the sacrifice of a human being. And when we're talking about the rituals of the PIE people, we're talking predominantly about animal and human sacrifice. Nothing else comes close in importance. The mythological worldview of the PIE seems to have been relatively sparse. There are consistent themes throughout--veneration of a sky-sun-thunder deity, horse twins, etc etc--but much of the tapestry of the pantheons they developed were inherited largely by those they conquered.If you're really interested in the subject, there's a pair of books I'm going to suggest. The first is "Comparative Mythology" by Jaan Puhvel. The second is "Death, War, and Sacrifice," by Bruce Lincoln.I'm not going to do the subject justice.
(DIR) Post #AQKzANbUe7Xp7CVU9o by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T17:56:40.726864Z
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@CatLord @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb does this make german soyboys canon in the universe where hitler won?
(DIR) Post #AQKzBrZYhyf6LqJEum by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T17:57:16.356570Z
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@balrog_booger @CatLord @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb We have some idea :tedk:
(DIR) Post #AQKzFI2ckpsVJNXReS by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T17:57:53.726495Z
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@jeffcliff @askedfornopickles @balrog_booger @NailBomb I can't believe this madlad actually went through all 25 points (not that I haven't done this in my head). The overturning of everything that happened between 1918-33 and making Germany into a respected and leading world power again by reversing Versailles and reuniting all Germans into one united racial community was really the main thing that National Socialism was about if I had to narrow it down and thus points 1 & 2 are by far the most important.Also the invasion of France wasn't something ideological or pre-necessitated or even justified by National Socialism, it was something they were hoping to avoid actually.
(DIR) Post #AQKzfelStOdnJd5KOu by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-06T18:02:39.676995Z
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@jeffcliff @CatLord @balrog_booger @NailBomb No I don't think this is the kind of thing they would have ever actually gone through with either. They cared a lot about keeping people happy to avoid another internal mutiny like in 1918 (a little too much IMO but that's with hindsight) and Hitler didn't enact a lot of things he would have preferred to personally because it would conflict too much with the wants of the people, this is in that same line, it's too alien to their culture- like giving up beer- and would never be seriously attempted and they knew it. Hitler governed far more on popular consent than by forceful coercion like someone like Stalin.
(DIR) Post #AQL0naIJUphJiqnGwy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T18:15:17.344174Z
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@CatLord reread the #rigveda
(DIR) Post #AQL13KSK9RcxEWz33Y by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T18:18:08.164222Z
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@didymus @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb and note: I didn't say, and didn't think they were vegetariansI'd be interested in looking at the genetic evidence, which seems to be a mess of data but which people have gone through and know more about than I do
(DIR) Post #AQL16jiEhijCQz3EeW by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T18:18:45.436125Z
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@GoodBoyUV @balrog_booger @NailBomb @skylar right and that's the sense i was talking aboutwhere's that level of respect for cows? I think this thread clarified some of the answer to this
(DIR) Post #AQL1A1q5lYE1WQIODg by CatLord@poa.st
2022-12-06T18:19:21.450677Z
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@jeffcliff I haven't read any of the Vedic texts. I believe I got that info from Thomas Rowsell (Survive The Jive) on youtube. I could just be mistaken.
(DIR) Post #AQL1BlwXpzYgni94Gu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T18:19:39.988564Z
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@kakkerel @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @skylar > and when we're talking about the rituals of the PIE people, we're talking predominantly about animal and human sacrifice. exactly
(DIR) Post #AQL1OlVokf5fEDq6Vs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T18:22:00.850968Z
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@didymus @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles yeah i thought it sounded reasonable but it's just in language I'm not sure the precise meaning of
(DIR) Post #AQL1T2CqcqNIA80CEi by Leaflord@leafposter.club
2022-12-06T18:22:46.252968Z
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My personal theory is that when the Ancient Aryans arrived with their herds they were very protective of them.After Indra slaugthered 6 million Dasyu aboriginal on the banks of the Ganges they saw the fair-haired invaders as gods.Some pajeet must have killed a cow and then gotten executed for it. Since the poos are genetically predisposed to being cargo cultists they interpreted it as cows being sacred and untouchable instead of just a very valuable resource in the eyes of their masters (the Aryans)
(DIR) Post #AQL1fRePqgLwYJoZTE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T18:25:01.216911Z
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@Leaflord @CatLord another plausible theory of a cargo cult for @mattskala
(DIR) Post #AQL24eY522zZnHs55s by Leaflord@leafposter.club
2022-12-06T18:29:34.133971Z
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The Rigvedas themselves are just a cargocult of ancient steppe aryan oral tradition.Which is why a lot of it is repeated and in poems. That's a hallmark of oral tradition.You can see the influences through the mention of initiatic wolf/dog cults which were staples of the PIE cultures of the pontic-caspian steppe and surrounding areas. Same with the horses and gods. The clues also lie in the kind of sanskrit used in the vedas.By the time the Vedas were put to paper the ancient Aryans had become diluted and almost non-existant. The Brahmins of the Vedic age were distant descendants of the initial conquerors.
(DIR) Post #AQL3f3I4cUIOuOIwfw by moomin@poa.st
2022-12-06T18:47:22.327734Z
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@Leaflord @jeffcliff @mattskala @CatLord Ancient Aryans came from the North. steppe/yamnaya/neolithic farmers are a bullshit fantasy whose sole purpose is to make it seem that Europeans are immigrants. We are not. The whole upper Northern hemisphere is ours. Aryans were always in the North. They didnt become diluted in India, they just left that area after moving through it, just like the later Hellenes with Bactria, the Persians, and Alexander and much later the British. Its like saying the British originated in India because British culture survives there. If you want to know who are the descendents of Aryans, look who has the bluest eyes and the lightest hair and lives closest to the North Pole.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arctic_Home_in_the_Vedas
(DIR) Post #AQL3luGKaIQgw3l3Sq by Leaflord@leafposter.club
2022-12-06T18:48:35.885330Z
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We are both right.I will not elaborate.
(DIR) Post #AQL3obhk2SaGFQrnsG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-06T18:49:05.652905Z
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@askedfornopickles @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @balrog_booger That saidmy understanding of what hitler (and his compatriots) were trying to do was to reawaken an older conception of the aryan self, one that had been mostly forgotten (according to the nazis: with help from jewish mindfuckery and cultural imperalism)ie that there was an aryan culture underneath, hidden and waiting to be unveiledThese 25 points were for the german public, a reasonable front put up to get elected as any reasonable political party would have to do - but when your goal is to reinvigorate a whole people, you don't start with cows they don't even know they are supposed to be worshipping. You slip that part in later.Also interesting to point out that when Moses came down from the mountain, he found his people reverting to their previous rites of worship, so even in the jewish bible, they pride themselves on ethnic cleansing any people that did this, and and wiping out this practice, but in doing so revealed that it *was* a practice even in the middle east - something much, much older than the books of the jews and their "most important prophet" Moses
(DIR) Post #AQLACxXT6to6dn3aaW by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-12-06T20:00:38.498796Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb the soy-people are an evolutionary dead endthey purchase funko pops instead of having kidssharp teeths are here to stay
(DIR) Post #AQLNVZeHSLQlS9RwH2 by askedfornopickles@poa.st
2022-12-06T22:25:28.702723Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb >used to justify other things (invasion of france)France justified the Invasion of France when France declared war on Germany and attacked German soil on September 7th 1939.
(DIR) Post #AQM7v9nYmkxAhTvXFo by Varus@poa.st
2022-12-07T07:09:48.966052Z
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@jeffcliff @askedfornopickles @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb the number 23 goes hand in hand with their previous points about a non-german not being able to be a citizen, especially jews. Jews controlled the media in Germany just like they do today that was probably the point they were trying to make that the Jewish owned media was being used for anti-german purposes. "Disagree especially on the closure of artistic organizations part."you might disagree but you might not disagree if you look at what was considered degenerate art and the books they burned. It was mostly homosexuality, trans, cross dressing etc. all worthless books. A lot of the removing of art they disliked was also tied with the jewish question. they believed jewish thought leaders in artistic, cultural matters was poisoning society. That's why they created the museum of degenerate art. France and the UK declared war on Germany first because Hitler used the military in Poland. UK and France gave Poland assurances that they would be backed if Hitler used physical means to reverse the treaty of versailles. The rest is history. If you really want to understand ww2, hitler, and national socialism i recommend you actually find his speeches on bitchute, telegram etc. Nothing better than primary source itself: whatever comes out of his own mouth. Table talks cannot be trusted.
(DIR) Post #AQMJQ7aAApTqIfd0QS by Arkana@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-07T09:18:40.297900Z
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@moomin @Leaflord @jeffcliff @mattskala @CatLord The ruling caste gets diluted whenever it rules over foreign peoples. It happened in India and China and let the civilizations fall into the hands of people who could not maintain them.The only time this doesn't happen (as much) is like the case with America, where they arrive with their families and are vehement about suppressing and distancing foreigners. Of course the reason this doesn't work as much is because they also wanted slaves, and it's easier to keep slaves of a different ethnicity which is why blacks were brought into America.Unless the slaves are essentially the same ethnicity in the case of places like England and Sweden, they will become diluted and changed over a long time.
(DIR) Post #AQMpCsxIRSMVhjBHn6 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-07T15:14:49.712318Z
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@Varus @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles > the number 23 goes hand in hand with their previous points about a non-german not being able to be a citizen, especially jews. Jews controlled the media in Germany just like they do today that was probably the point they were trying to make that the Jewish owned media was being used for anti-german purposes....That's why they created the museum of degenerate art. ( I figured this would come up, and was going to make comment on it, but missed it )It's understandable why they would go to such an extreme extent, especially considering that they were beginning to view media in terms of propaganda(something they did effectively before anyone else except *possibly* the americans). And, especially out here in the weimerican 21st century, I think we can appreciate that there's definitely uncomfortable and degenerate art and media in a way that really no one since could really fully appreciate.Nevertheless I still view this as something that we can point to as a mistake, a true sealing themself off from the rest of humanity in a artistic and creative way. That something fundamentally broken happened is agreed -- they would view the break as having occurred earlier, and they responded by trying to fix it, I would argue that the break occurred with them by trying to fix it through censorship and information control. This is what made them as dangerous as any cult, only moreso because of their mass scale.> France and the UK declared war on Germany first because Hitler used the military in Poland. UK and France gave Poland assurances that they would be backed if Hitler used physical means to reverse the treaty of versailles. The rest is history.I think this is actually probably my big takeaway from this thread, outside of a clearer view of the esoteric stuff : there's actually something to this line of reasoning and I'm going to have to go relook at the timeline and doublecheck exactly what happened when and where. I could bring up the fake terrorist attack in the radio station in greater germany but that would be to miss the point here - the state of war was going to come one way or another because of these 25 points and if you're opposed to it you almost have to oppose it on the grounds of these 25 points which is a lot harder than some border squabble internal to greater germany.There were still things the nazis did wrong imho and deserve criticism for but esp the people in this thread deserve to have that split from flak like 'invaded france' which was not a good example at all. One thing is for sure: this thread suggests that WW1 is a lot closer to WW1 in terms of the things that people actually freak out about tend to be consequences of other things.> If you really want to understand ww2, hitler, and national socialism i recommend you actually find his speeches on bitchute, telegram etc. Nothing better than primary source itself: whatever comes out of his own mouth. Table talks cannot be trusted.Yeah I'm going to have to get a copy of those, translated and honestly I'm kind of nonplussed that after how many thousands of hours of TV/other media that I've passively consumed over the decades that, somehow, this never actually was broadcast [ with subtitles ] in any room I've ever been in that I can remember.
(DIR) Post #AQMq28SgY8BiZ5IiIK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-07T15:24:04.785034Z
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@Arkana @Leaflord @mattskala @CatLord @moomin > only time this doesn't happen (as much) is like the case with America, where they arrive with their families and are vehement about suppressing and distancing foreigners. I would suggest that in addition to that, it's managed to have a cultural and political value of merit. That underneath the dishonesty, the hucksterism and the power struggles there's a core of american culture that is actually fundamentally pragmatic. That *some* of the creme really does rise and *some* of the shit really does drop. but even so: america is only about ~256 years old. This isn't enough generations for a ruling class to fully diffuse into the lower class on the scale of the US. Give it another 1,024 years and we'll take a look at the ruling class, then.
(DIR) Post #AQMr6zYLCQbAKwpG52 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-07T15:36:08.646822Z
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@Varus @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles @balrog_booger s/this thread suggests that WW1 is a lot closer to WW1/this thread suggests that WW2 is a lot closer to WW1/
(DIR) Post #AQMsfJet3OICUdooPA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-07T15:53:34.990253Z
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Takeways of this thread 'cow' may not be the right word here, since we're talking about 5-7,000+ years ago. Maybe the word should have been Bovid.
(DIR) Post #AQN19JC68ykBNFAJDE by Arkana@freespeechextremist.com
2022-12-07T17:28:39.232498Z
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@jeffcliff @CatLord @Leaflord @mattskala @moomin America would have had an aristocracy if it also didn't become a global trade network and let in so many foreigners with the Hart Cellar act.Hierarchies like that need some isolation to organize themselves. Think of Japan cutting off trade to segregate themselves from foreign trade and religion.America became too vast, and the shut down of the Civil War meant that it would become a global empire instead of further continue local conflict and growth.
(DIR) Post #AQNQuHxj2U2U1AwPlA by Varus@poa.st
2022-12-07T22:17:15.959194Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles fuck i wrote a reply to this and my pc took a shit and it was deleted. will have to rewrite later fml
(DIR) Post #AQNScBWoQDugl6qdOq by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-07T22:36:24.100124Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @NailBomb @Varus @askedfornopickles I've spent hundreds of hours reading about this and one of the aspects that is most overstated is the ideological aspect for declaring war in WW2, none of the declarations, not even the one on the Soviet Union were for ideological reasons (at least on Germany's part, mostly holds for other countries as well, though not for continuing the war after a certain point) but rather for pragmatic geostrategic reasons like in WW1.
(DIR) Post #AQNaRAeG9VLOTgaf8C by Varus@poa.st
2022-12-08T00:04:02.609907Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles The thing about the media aspect is that whoever has control of the media has a very powerful tool at their disposal that can be used to manipulate or lie to the public (can be used for good as well). As was mentioned earlier, the jews had control of the media and many Germans back then like today, were complaining about "fake news". Many lost trust in what was being told in the newspapers because while there was propaganda saying the German economy was great many were unemployed and starving. There was a speech about Goebbels where he would talk about how when the jews had control of the mass media they would censor or sue any opposing publication. So when the NSDAP got emergency powers and did the same thing in return the jewish media was complaining that they were now no longer allowed to air/broadcast on the mainstream. Goebbels replied with "we are just doing what you have always done in the past". Having control of the media is a very powerful tool and they simply wanted to take this back from a hostile anti-german group of people. If you have heard of the procols of zion before it outlines how one of their man methods of taking control of a nation or group of people is by taking control of all flows of information/media which allows them to brainwash people. As far as the degenerate art goes it might have something to do with Hitler being an artist himself. A lot of the dumb modern art you see today where you can take something like a urinal from a bathroom and it passes off as "modern art" that too was rampant in Germany during Hitler's time. Hitler's traditional art was rejected meanwhile degenerate art which many of those were spearheaded by jews, marxists, etc was widely accepted. A lot of people underestimate just how pervasive jewish influence is in our society. It goes more than just "they control the media or banks". They also control many key aspects of our society that extends to art, movies, music, intellectual sphere etc. And the purpose of what Hitler was trying to do was to remove foreign or subversive elements from all aspects of society so that it would be purely German and for the interests of the German people, and that included art as well removing all aspects that were deemed non-German.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/13fZCx4RtJ0qjD8tCpqwkWV/how-hitler-set-out-to-destroy-degenerate-art"state of war was going to come one way or another because of these 25 points and if you're opposed to it you almost have to oppose it on the grounds of these 25 points which is a lot harder than some border squabble internal to greater germany."They probably didn't believe that they would be thrown into a world war over what was basically a small piece of land in Poland where everyone was ethnically Germany. However, that was the bait to basically have them make the first move to attack, because when you are the first to attack you become the bad guy. The people who are behind this conspiracy are very clever or otherwise they would have not been able to win ww2."Yeah I'm going to have to get a copy of those, translated and honestly I'm kind of nonplussed that after how many thousands of hours of TV/other media that I've passively consumed over the decades that, somehow, this never actually was broadcast [ with subtitles ] in any room I've ever been in that I can remember."Well, if you think about who owns and gets to decide what is broadcasted on TV then it makes perfect sense why they are not interested in you seeing the objective truth. Its in their interest to show Hitler in negative light by showing you random clips of Hitler yelling something in German without any subtitles since that leaves no information to work on you assume the previous propaganda which is that he is saying something stupid or insane. Hitler is their main ideological enemy so they have no interest in doing so. It depends on what platform you are most active on. If you use telegram i would recommend Hidden Truth (/hiddentruthvideos) which has a large variety of videos, documentaries, clips, historical films/docus ranging anywhere from national socialist Germany to 1990s revisionists and researchers which are hard to find or have been actively censored (even from television). David Irving and Ernszt Zundel are the two biggest and most prominent historical researchers into this matter and have been actively hunted down. I would also suggest The Impartial Truth i believe they have a bitchute channel and have some good primary footage and speeches from that time. Also, another underrated thig many people do not do enough is to actually read Henry Ford's book on the topic of the JQ. He is quite possibly the foremost expert at introducing this topic to an American audience and even some NSDAP members have said that they first became aware of the JQ when they had read Henry Ford's book. He also received the highest award given to a foreigner in nationalist germany for his contributions.
(DIR) Post #AQNajRYQ2Gsg7fZUpM by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-08T00:07:20.915012Z
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@Varus @jeffcliff @balrog_booger @NailBomb @askedfornopickles Good poast, Also meant to poast this earlier lol
(DIR) Post #AQNbKQJ7dM6ayF39pg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-08T00:14:01.949018Z
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@Varus @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles > If you have heard of the procols of zion before I've read it and am aware of its historical context. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/4784395467Unfortunately "jews did it first" isn't good enough for me. I do agree though that this is probably Hitler's motivation, and why he was so focused on it - - he probably understood the art and media, first, politics second.> is to actually read Henry Ford's book on the topic of the JQ.I've also read that, and am aware of its historical context. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/4654875652>. If you use telegramI do not use telegram. Telegram seems like a step backwards to me.I'm aware of Zundel (through Chomsky) and to a lesser extent David Irving (but have not read either), but was not aware of TheImpartialTruth. I will check them out.
(DIR) Post #AQNbztglIdery4sq7k by GoodBoyUV@poa.st
2022-12-08T00:21:31.959927Z
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@jeffcliff @Varus @balrog_booger @NailBomb @askedfornopickles David Irving is probably the best for primary sourced material on the Third Reich, though they've destroyed his reputation they never actually disproved his points but rather did so by finding a few small inaccurate things and magnifying them after scouring decades worth of his work spanning thousands of pages and sources which says something in and of itself. TheImpartialTruth is great for first hand material of Hitler actually laying out his reasons for doing things which are a lot closer to the truth than one would think, for example his speech about declaration of war on the US is probably the best source for understanding why that happened.
(DIR) Post #AQNcKzZub7MyJbjq2i by HitlerIs6_4@nicecrew.digital
2022-12-08T00:23:35.409053Z
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(DIR) Post #AQNdVJAQilIhv4InrM by Varus@poa.st
2022-12-08T00:38:25.036062Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles "I've read it and am aware of its historical context.Unfortunately "jews did it first" isn't good enough for me. I do agree though that this is probably Hitler's motivation, and why he was so focused on it - - he probably understood the art and media, first, politics second."No, he understood politics first and those second. If he sees them as the main enemy of German society (and European at large) then would it not make sense to remove them from positions of influence? You have to admit, whether you disagree or agree with them that they did manage to create a world class superpower in a shirt span of time given the problems they were dealing with beforehand. I read a bit of your review but it seems to me you're under the belief that the jews behind so many key aspects of society is just a "pure coincidence". As you say "so happened to be jews". However, what about the fact that one of the main reasons Hitler disliked the jews was the fact that they were communist and created the bolshevik revolution which founded the first soviet goverment? This is something even Putin himself agrees is true that jews were in 88% of all the highest positions in the Soviet Union. The thing about the protocols is that Henry Ford from what I can remember says that the accusations of the book being a forgery is not of importance. But what was important was the context of the book itself and how accurately it describes what is happening today. Hitler also did an experiment where he would print the protocols and distribute it all over Europe. When the Jews got super pissed this was proof to him that it was in fact true, for if the book was completely made up or held no truth they would simply brush it off. "I've also read that, and am aware of its historical context."I'm not sure if thats the original since you said it has commentary on it. I found my copy online. I say a lot of what he says is very compelling and certainly true historically. For you also have to explain that if jews were not in power or it was a pure coincedence how come its the only group you're not allowed to speak out against? How come you can say "kill whites" on twitter but if Kanye says something like "jews own the media" which is the most basic form of anti-semitic fact he loses his money, threatened with being institutionalized, and now told he might just suicide himself. I'd like your perspective on this. "I do not use telegram. Telegram seems like a step backwards to me." It's very good if you know what its good for. Which is to gather information very easily. Its the best designed messaging app and allows quick exchange of videos from multiple groups. Tho if you don't want to use that its fair. I also recommend this book. This is more about viewing ww2 in its aftermath and why it all happened. You cant find this on amazon so look around maybe online. The person who wrote this was on the run for his anti-communist beliefs.
(DIR) Post #AQNjHikDQcFsusweBc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-08T01:42:48.431641Z
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@Varus @balrog_booger @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles > Its the best designed messaging app and allows quick exchange of videos from multiple groups. I don't know who you are, but you seem to have a pretty good handle on the facts involved in this subject (more than I do, admittedly) but when we're veering into the discussion of instant messaging platforms telegram the conversation starts getting closer to my area of expertise. And it's not. So if you take nothing else from me, take that you should be migrating off of telegram and on to things like https://cwtch.im and @session more later
(DIR) Post #AQPEgYfXJj2me22W1o by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-08T19:09:43.436050Z
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important update relevant to this thread from my uncle jim's weekly ramblings:" A cow is not technically a 'cow' until it has given birth to at least one calf. Until then it is just a 'heifer.' "
(DIR) Post #AQPEipJ4QhqwpBc45Q by Sabex@noagendasocial.com
2022-12-08T19:10:09Z
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@jeffcliff TIL
(DIR) Post #AQSKFmA6E0lDsApMJ6 by Varus@poa.st
2022-12-10T06:56:16.198242Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @session @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles well apples and oranges i suppose. telegram is centralized and the ones you posted are decentralized. Telegram is better than all other centralized services for its efficiency and design. The standard should be that decentralized alternatives should work as seamingly as telegram does. Also, you can just use it as for news update and information and not send any messages if you don't trust it. you get instant notifs for channels followed etc. Anyways, i still recommend you read that book as chances are you haven't. The World Conquerors: The Real War Criminalschristiansfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/The-World-Conquerors-The-Real-War-Criminals.pdf
(DIR) Post #AQTJnRuw5vZe8RBh68 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-10T18:25:51.397717Z
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@Varus @balrog_booger @session @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles I have grabbed this book and will take a look, thanks
(DIR) Post #AQTJugijSHbG4bvmue by Varus@poa.st
2022-12-10T18:27:10.260550Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @session @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles oh where did you find it? i was looking for it myself but its not avalaible on amazon or any big brand stores
(DIR) Post #AQTJwO0Q0V8Wbs0tYe by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-12-10T18:27:28.409560Z
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@Varus @balrog_booger @session @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles i mean from your link
(DIR) Post #AQTxosmFiC0ltbMdeq by Varus@poa.st
2022-12-11T01:54:19.288487Z
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@jeffcliff @balrog_booger @session @GoodBoyUV @NailBomb @askedfornopickles Oh yeah. I was trying to find the physical book because i prefer having it in my hand but seems hard to find. I haven't finished the entirety of the book tho im almost there so let me know how it goes.