Post AQIfF3mNOT9rgAdEK8 by freemo@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #AQIEseRQJz6PuqU9cO by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T10:08:54Z
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So I did a test on using verified link with the #UFoI website... works well. The plan will be anyone in the UFoI can register as a member and then have a verified link in their profileSee my profile for an example of me testing it out.#UFI @ufoi
(DIR) Post #AQIF8cCQQNLVb159ge by Floyd@qoto.org
2022-12-05T10:11:47Z
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@freemo @ufoi HTTP instead of HTTPS?
(DIR) Post #AQIFfCSDAMDpIw0Hjs by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T10:17:38Z
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@Floyd Only temporary due to a GitLab issue.. ill be fixing that before launch.@ufoi
(DIR) Post #AQIFjzWOfz2gdvFJzs by bonifartius@qoto.org
2022-12-05T10:18:33Z
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@freemo @ufoi nice :) seems like the right technological solutions put together for the right use cases. not falling into the trap of trying to solve everything with technology like so many other things.
(DIR) Post #AQIFrDXGyDw88N6LYm by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T10:19:50Z
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@bonifartius @ufoi Yea the UFoI is intended to be a mostly social construct. There is some technology to facilitate voting and providing verification of who is or is not in the UFI. But overall its almost entirely social in nature.You can see an early preview of our website here: http://UFoI.org
(DIR) Post #AQIH5ieiAD5uew3l9E by bonifartius@qoto.org
2022-12-05T10:33:35Z
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@freemo @ufoi i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask right now: how are "alternates" of a user handled with UFoI, especially when it's an alternate not on a UFoI instance? are accounts the moderated item or the people themselves?the previous blocklists always had some entries like "alternate of $baduser" and alike.i could rephrase the question as: is the target to keep timelines clean or is the target to cancel a person - even if some alternates aren't posting things against the rules.
(DIR) Post #AQIS6FPHUjlxjNISfY by geantonicelli@qoto.org
2022-12-05T12:37:02Z
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@freemo @ufoi it's only for admis, I guess, isn't it?
(DIR) Post #AQIYtwOv21NszPCqRM by Ryle@awoo.fyi
2022-12-05T13:29:27.642431Z
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Anyone being users of UFoI, instance owners, or official representatives? I imagine if it were users, we could run into problems quickly if the pages had 10,000 rel me links embedded in it. I would suggest that if it were for users that each user get a unique URL instead.
(DIR) Post #AQIYtxAQBPNjMjQmTw by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T13:53:11Z
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@Ryle @ufoi The current prototype is for "instance member representatives".. basically the admins of instance members.I plan to also have a verified link for regular everyday members, specifically "registered members" (members who opt-in and likely coincides with their authorization to vote). In that case I will create a page per user that will be autogenerated when the webpage deploys
(DIR) Post #AQIZ2bnH1AwRgRjNSK by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T13:54:46Z
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@geantonicelli The working prototype right now works for admins only, yes.. but i will be adding something similar for users. The idea is every registered user will have a little page on the website that will have a "card" of their details (their status, whether they are an admin, on the counsel, just a user, etc)... so it will work for regular users soon.@ufoi
(DIR) Post #AQIZMvdawrrz1ItRIm by Ryle@awoo.fyi
2022-12-05T13:45:59.858997Z
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The UFoI defines the minimum standards of which policies instances need to implement in order to federate with each other. Currently, there is nothing that looks to ban a specific user across different instances. If the user has alternative accounts, as long as they’re not breaking the minimum standards on those alternative accounts, there is nothing in UFoI that compels an instance to ban those alternative accounts.
(DIR) Post #AQIZMwOk7ZaFNWx5n6 by Ryle@awoo.fyi
2022-12-05T13:54:11.313506Z
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I should add, there is nothing currently that demands a ban either in UFoI, it just puts demands on an instance to deal with the problem.
(DIR) Post #AQIZMwv0BdO6za2r4a by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T13:58:24Z
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@Ryle Pretty much what Ryle said. UFoI is mostly concerned with instances, individual members are handled by the instance admins. We just expect instances to moderate with our code of ethics in mind.The only way duplicate users is an issue is when it comes to voting rights. For now we are just using gitlab accounts to act as a proxy for voting with the assumption its hard to have a bunch of different gitlab account. In the future I think the solution will use PGP keys and keyoxide.@ufoi @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AQIcSZv8u7yzGYUEHw by kjr@qoto.org
2022-12-05T14:33:06Z
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@freemo @Ryle @ufoi @bonifartius why duplicate users is an issue for voting rights? I mean, if there is a question submitted to vote, instances will vote, no single users, correct?
(DIR) Post #AQIcXq3EMK9ik2mI9g by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T14:34:01Z
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@kjr Individual users will vote, the counsel will mediate the voting... This is neccesary since a small instance can have the same vote as a large so it needs to be weighted by users and not just at an instance level.@Ryle @ufoi @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AQIcwxZfWcFHJWvgNk by kjr@qoto.org
2022-12-05T14:38:37Z
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@freemo @Ryle @ufoi @bonifartius In this case is not more consistent to do a vote of instances attending to their size?
(DIR) Post #AQIeazXFkl6yvwS4sy by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T14:57:01Z
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@kjr that has the problem of how we determine the size of an instance.. @Ryle @ufoi @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AQIfF3DdTdMvwQNUAq by Ryle@awoo.fyi
2022-12-05T15:00:04.226897Z
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Active users is more important than total users. But also this makes it more difficult to cheat the system. I’ll skip the democratic arguments, I’m sure you’re familiar with them already.
(DIR) Post #AQIfF3mNOT9rgAdEK8 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-05T15:04:15Z
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@Ryle The only real way to prevent ballot stuffing is to ensure the users are active and have some reasonable assurances of identity... this is an open discussion. One way to do this is to be a voting member you need to "register" witht he UFoI, which will entail your system admin vouching for you, and you using keyoxide to identify yourself and used to ensure you dont have dupicate accounts.There are concerns with this approach 1) only technically oriented people who can use PGP can vote 2) people who want to be reasonably anonymous wont be able to vote.The exact process for voting is one of those things I can think of a doen ways to do each with its own pros and cons and will need to be discussed among the group I think rather than dictated to them.@ufoi @kjr
(DIR) Post #AQLQRIICLNQAKOltbc by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-06T23:02:31Z
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@geantonicelli Ok we now have support for the users too. We can add you if you want.@ufoi
(DIR) Post #AQLQXVvsXkvEMxIWPI by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-06T23:03:38Z
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@Floyd HTTPS is now working.@ufoi
(DIR) Post #AQLSRleLOVRTHnU30q by geantonicelli@qoto.org
2022-12-06T23:25:02Z
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@freemo @ufoi yes please, I always want to be among the firsts 😜
(DIR) Post #AQLSWFdDrdjBQp64rQ by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-06T23:25:53Z
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@geantonicelli I just wrote a page that explains how, this will be a good chance to see if i did a good job writing it. Check out this and let me know if it makes sense:https://ufoi.org/docs/apply-info/@ufoi
(DIR) Post #AQM8S492pGGsirfUxs by jens@toots.nu
2022-12-07T07:15:42Z
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@freemo @geantonicelli @ufoi What is the purpose of having individual members as well as instance admins?The name implies the it’s the instances that are united (and not the users directly). I think the idea that any user from a united instance can be elected is sound, but why should any individual potentially have a vote that weighs the same as an instance of thousands?
(DIR) Post #AQMhV8XGSFqxbXCFvc by freemo@qoto.org
2022-12-07T13:48:25Z
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@jens I dividuals outside the ufoi instances but members wouldnt get a vote. They simply pledge to the rules personally... its debatable if we want to support it at all but i figured it might be a way to gain more momentun and spread the word.@geantonicelli @ufoi