Post AQFsrvtbM0QMS7zvN2 by Darohan@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AQFhLyu7XCLp1Kno9o by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-04T04:43:50Z
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I've often wondered why open-source orgs like @mozilla @nextcloud #Canonical and others don't take a more active role in the fediverse. All of those orgs should not only be actively running #Mastodon accounts, but should also be posting content to #PeerTube and honestly even running their own instances of both. In the case of Mozilla, it would make a ton of sense for them to host both Mastodon and PeerTube instances as an open alternative to Google.Thoughts on that?
(DIR) Post #AQFj2RmydE9mioH3ku by BobCollins@fosstodon.org
2022-12-04T05:02:42Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Agree, though @Nextcloud engages here.
(DIR) Post #AQFj9HBkRUJJs87Jaq by ironbeagle@fosstodon.org
2022-12-04T05:03:56Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Open source still has to go where the users are. Up until recently that was corporate run social media. I think that will gradually change as long as this fediverse thing continues to grow. Besides, many open source developers are already here.
(DIR) Post #AQFkQe6wZPRJqGiSoK by lps@neo.voidworks.cc
2022-12-04T05:12:23.223Z
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@tilvids@mstdn.social @mozilla@mastodon.social @nextcloud@mastodon.xyz I totally agree with you regarding #nextcloud It seems almost absurd they're not doing what you suggested.... a self-hosting, alternative to GAFAM isn't actively trying to prove how #foss is the ethical choice?! And as for costs of doing this, it's trivial, I don't understand.As for #mozilla I think this is simply cover for #google as their major source of funding so that will never happen.The thought of #foss projects not promoting the #fediverse and using it as their primary platform of choice seems completely counterproductive. Which is to say, #fedifirst then mirror to the corporate platforms.Why would anyone choose <insert foss project name> when they are not even willing to use free software solutions themselves?
(DIR) Post #AQFkQeg2SvVpb78UVs by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-04T05:18:17Z
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@lps @nextcloud @mozilla That's how I see it. Obviously they have to continue having a presence on Twitter, YT, etc. because of the sheer number of users...but that doesn't mean they can't mirror the content at the very least.I do think what you said about #Mozilla is sadly true. Probably a similar reason they've never entered the world of search. At the very least though, Google has no social offering, so a Mastodon instance doesn't seem like it would be too controversial.
(DIR) Post #AQFlFHu4teshjeqWhM by blackknight95857669@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-04T05:27:25Z
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@tilvids I like to think I'm pretty geeky and only truly understood what the Fediverse was this year (this was user error on my part for not investigating earlier lol). There's lots of questions about growth and moderation that need better more concrete answers before I think we'll see those orgs decide they need a footprint here. FB/Twitter still have the lion's share of the audience + those platforms let them push to the top of the trends for $. I think in time they'll come.
(DIR) Post #AQFlK4yGPHhZ4e5YxM by blackknight95857669@social.linux.pizza
2022-12-04T05:28:17Z
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@tilvids I like to think I'm pretty geeky and only truly understood what the Fediverse was this year (this was user error on my part for not investigating earlier lol). There's lots of questions about growth and moderation that need better more concrete answers before I think we'll see those orgs decide they need better engagement here. FB/Twitter still have the lion's share of the audience + those platforms let them push to the top of the trends for $. I think in time they'll come
(DIR) Post #AQFqEG54gfpzZ1JnMG by Geniusak@social.vivaldi.net
2022-12-04T06:23:15Z
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@tilvids Until recently I think they just didn't give it any thought, the fediverse was too obscure.
(DIR) Post #AQFsrvtbM0QMS7zvN2 by Darohan@mastodon.social
2022-12-04T06:52:51Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud @nextcloud is here, but it would definitely be good to see active accounts for groups like @mozilla, #Debian, and @fedora.
(DIR) Post #AQG5VBq9CqLse9rs5A by raphael@mastodon.communick.com
2022-12-04T09:14:19Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Mozilla can not (really) bite the hands that feeds them. Canonical is probably burned by the failure of Ubuntu One (remember that?)I am expecting they will come to the Fediverse before the Big Corps but after the SMB market starts looking to establish a "professional" social media presence and push demand for commercial providers.
(DIR) Post #AQGB9uzDGx6O1GLefw by georgeeyong@mastodon.social
2022-12-04T10:17:46Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud I think there's a bad potential for large corporations to create more walled gardens at this early stage where they can easily each get more subscribers than the entire Fediverse.If an Apple or a Microsoft decides to make each user account also an account in their own walled garden with selective federation, lots of people will come into the fediverse thinking it's only "outlook.com" or "apple.social" with no reason to explore further. 1/2
(DIR) Post #AQGGlSDPBsIxYvhjlo by steve@deliverabilit.ie
2022-12-04T11:20:34Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Last time I checked >85% of Mozilla’s income came from selling access to their users to Google. Picking a fight with a google cash cow like YouTube wouldn’t be a great idea.
(DIR) Post #AQGIn14jGc4jsQWEZk by mral@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-12-04T11:43:17Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud it would be good for them to answer that question. It is important for the FLOSS business model to maintain the "distributed" part of the distributed fediverse. other wise it degrades into just another large corporate utility and we will have failed. running their own instances is the most important point here.
(DIR) Post #AQGJzF1fKC3KZaTlia by Angelic_Mew@mastodon.online
2022-12-04T11:56:39Z
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@tilvids Honestly I think it's a case of not trying to have too many spinning plates. Also their pockets might be deeper, but still would be an expanse they could use elsewhere. IMHO.This is just a joke reply below. Please do not take it seriously.Mozilla who makes Web browser, email client and VPN service opens Mastodon."Why don't they make their own X service?"
(DIR) Post #AQGZAk7fXw4PW3EImO by NausetJF@mograph.social
2022-12-04T14:46:49Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud I kinda wish there was some sorta verification system in place that would verify accounts. Unless theres already a solution to it that I am missing
(DIR) Post #AQGboBf1IKbC7plW4m by bigolewannabe@kcmo.social
2022-12-04T15:16:19Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Mozilla should be running so much stuff and it doesn't make any sense why they don't. Unless it's cost.
(DIR) Post #AQHCzUoW7X6f18Smtk by Ivanhercaz@txs.es
2022-12-04T22:12:56Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Totally agree!
(DIR) Post #AQHFnYPrCXnYZpvTlY by nemobis@mamot.fr
2022-12-04T22:44:29Z
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@tilvids With all the rubbish legislation in USA/EU, like #TERREG and #uploadfilters, Mozilla really doesn't need the extra liability of being a hosting provider for a social media service. Right now they can at least pretend to be somewhat neutral towards content.As for why they don't run an instance for themselves, it's probably a mix of not being interested in a project which seems a bit anticapitalistic and not having any skills in community management/moderation (see also above).
(DIR) Post #AQHGxa9zfgjCpuqs4m by oh@mastodon.coffee
2022-12-04T22:57:29Z
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@tilvids Mozilla has a @matrix server. I agree, they should be promoting ethical alternatives.
(DIR) Post #AQHHFYBxjCDpwcLAo4 by taur10@venera.social
2022-12-04T18:54:14Z
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@tilvids @nextcloud @mozilla @thunderbird is here, and they have a PeerTube instance as well.
(DIR) Post #AQHHFYgnsWtNUGlnsW by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-04T23:00:43Z
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@taur10 @nextcloud @mozilla Yup, incredibly proud we're able to host @thunderbird on our #PeerTube instance!
(DIR) Post #AQHHNmljPnrpTEzwMi by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-04T23:02:15Z
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@nemobis At minimum they should have their own instance that they use to communicate/share from.
(DIR) Post #AQHHq1VeCgPnIPwJtY by nemobis@mamot.fr
2022-12-04T23:07:20Z
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@tilvids Yes. It takes effort, especially to figure out moderation, privacy policies and other legal matters, but it's possible. A positive recent example (still evolving) is @wikimediaDE:https://climatejustice.social/@PaulaToThePeople/109443851720746081And of course there are those who've been here since the beginning, like @LaQuadrature, my own lovely host.
(DIR) Post #AQIAT9ZxWvNT8r42CW by abcxyz@mastodon.social
2022-12-05T09:19:27Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Mozilla is more on the side of google than you might think. They regularly take payments from Google to make it the default search engine and pin it to the home tab. Mozilla's technical team is working on VPNs and PR team is making videos on, you guessed it, YOUTUBE.So you see how they don't have time nor incentive to create and maintain mastodon instances
(DIR) Post #AQJGMEpIPqIGGwHdLs by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-05T22:00:11Z
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@abcxyz @mozilla @nextcloud I can understand the argument for not biting the hand that feeds them, and how that might relate to YouTube / #PeerTube but the Mastodon one still doesn't make much sense. Google has no real presence in social media, and hasn't since they completely bungled Google+. I can't see how doing something in the #Mastodon space would upset Google at all.
(DIR) Post #AQJHLFQylpdPp108A4 by raccoon@home.social
2022-12-05T22:11:10Z
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@tilvids @abcxyz @mozilla @nextcloud But it doesn't benefit #Google either. At best it's another social network to deal with(*), at worst people finally understand how bad walled gardens (e.g. youtube) are.(*) social networks are in fact a problem. Google Search attributes relevance by the number of backlinks a page gets. Twitter and Facebook locked that data in walled gardens and nowadays, Google is fighting an uphill battle against #seo - One of the reasons, why search has degraded.
(DIR) Post #AQojmAWLxzoV1EtidM by turing@mastodon.social
2022-12-21T02:25:49Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud Ask and ye shall receive 😌 https://mastodon.social/@mozilla/109548746465616188
(DIR) Post #AQov3wGWnyMBW1AhSC by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-21T04:32:20Z
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@turing @mozilla @nextcloud
(DIR) Post #AQr8AF7xHHxzTJPyAS by oh@mastodon.coffee
2022-12-22T01:48:56Z
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@tilvids Looks like we might be getting one after all. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-launch-fediverse-instance-social-media-alternative/ #Mozilla
(DIR) Post #AQr8AFXTkONokTMLx2 by tilvids@mstdn.social
2022-12-22T06:08:33Z
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@oh I saw this! Great news, but don't stop there, they need a #PeerTube instance now.
(DIR) Post #AQsEFasQdPMrG33AMi by abcxyz@mastodon.social
2022-12-22T18:51:27Z
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@tilvids @mozilla @nextcloud I think mozilla is finally on Mastodon? They had a account that joined in 2017 and recently made a post on it