Post AQ27BKuFGiggfV0SLg by dashrandom@kopiti.am
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(DIR) Post #AQ1rs8HSUI1OhEFVSq by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:35:40Z
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I am gathering a list of people who want to be involved in the discussion around the formation of a "United Federation of Instances" which is an attempt to combat the fracturing of the fediverse and the general spreading of misinformation WRT moderation decisions.If anyone is interested in being a part of it let me know in the replies. I will add you to the list, share the draft proposal, and we can start discussions. I have several people already interested.
(DIR) Post #AQ1rwLqvy6Tpwpr1Um by skanman@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:36:30Z
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@freemo Interested.
(DIR) Post #AQ1sANs5GCL4GL5E4e by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:39:01Z
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@skanman once i get some responses ill send out a seperate DM that shares the initial draft and opens up the floor to discussion.
(DIR) Post #AQ1sFc5lobnlobyjOC by floppy@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T12:39:56Z
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@freemo I am not sure I can contribute (too little time for many things atm), but it sounds interesting and I would love to read more.
(DIR) Post #AQ1sLTOR4RQ8ZcVGNc by skanman@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:41:01Z
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@freemo Sounds good. 👍
(DIR) Post #AQ1sUybwNBCG04Lrhg by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-27T12:42:44Z
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@freemo interested.
(DIR) Post #AQ1sfFWIMQAvL1bqqG by stevenclyman@noc.social
2022-11-27T12:44:31Z
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@freemo I do not meant to discourage you, but I believe that there have been multiple attempts on solving this issue, various covenants I think they were called.Therefor my question is how this "United Federation of Instances" would be any different from prior works and how it would be successful in achieving it's goal.
(DIR) Post #AQ1sl4x2ZF4KIVto9I by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:45:36Z
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@stevenclyman A very good question.. can you link me to previous efforts so I can review their approach and then I would be happy to tell you how/if we differ.
(DIR) Post #AQ1spkZJmEPEWv1xR2 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:46:29Z
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@stevenclyman My guess would be the big difference for us would be due process, democrattic process, and a no-defederating within the UFI policy... but again id need to see these other attempts to really say.
(DIR) Post #AQ1t4yuuiEaZNGOX9k by stevenclyman@noc.social
2022-11-27T12:49:13Z
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@freemo I believe this was it. :)https://github.com/pixeldesu/fediverse-friendly-moderation-covenant
(DIR) Post #AQ1tHaNHGwKl1OfiIS by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:51:28Z
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@stevenclyman So that seems more like a set of minimal rules you should follow for moderating your own instance... Very different from what I am proposing which is an actual federation of instances ... I think you'd understand the differences best if i send you the draft. Would you be interested in joining the discussion and offering feedback?
(DIR) Post #AQ1tZysusl0gFeF4sq by robryk@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:54:52Z
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@freemo You might wish to talk with @pixel about his past experiences (I have no knowledge on whether he'd want to take any part, but he might have valuable information he'd want to share due to having written https://github.com/pixeldesu/fediverse-friendly-moderation-covenant).
(DIR) Post #AQ1tjnJsjfqJHLXCKG by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:56:35Z
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@robryk I would very much welcome @pixel 's input and am happy to share the draft with him if he is interested.
(DIR) Post #AQ1ttobOp1qI9VVSLY by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:58:24Z
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@robryk Do you also want to be involved on in the conversation or nah?
(DIR) Post #AQ1tuOIA81qSqGmbMO by stevenclyman@noc.social
2022-11-27T12:58:27Z
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@freemo thank you for invitation but I am not connect to internet most of time, therefor I would not able to provide much value to the discussion.I am certainly looking forward to the draft.Also I do have a suggestion, a hashtag for this would be great addition for discovery.
(DIR) Post #AQ1tzbnBMVZyA0mR3Q by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T12:59:26Z
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@stevenclyman Sure, sounds fine... would you at least like a copy of the draft when I send it. You can respond to it if you like, no pressure.
(DIR) Post #AQ1u34LHfc0pZkNgv2 by stevenclyman@noc.social
2022-11-27T13:00:02Z
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@freemo surely!.
(DIR) Post #AQ1uKYqzTzT77zYJpw by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T13:03:14Z
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@stevenclyman will do
(DIR) Post #AQ22U0yJ6poQZdzf2u by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T14:34:37Z
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@freemo why not just publish the draft first and have the discussion in the open? I would think you could generate more interest that way.Have you reached out to other instance admin about this?I feel like this could result in some negative unintended consequences. De-federation, and the social threat of de-federation is the main tool to apply pressure to instance admins that are not sufficiently moderating their community.This seems it would make that process harder.
(DIR) Post #AQ22pJVbNslY99itCi by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T14:38:26Z
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@ejg The intent is to do just this.. I just want a good starting point to kick off the discussion.. So im starting with a private discussion, going to refine the draft there, then im going to open it to everyone to contribute.Yes I am working in private to get some admins and even users on board. I dont want to go public till we have a decent number of supporters just to help counter any backlash people might throw at us.To your comment about making it harder... sort of.. an instance can always leave the UFI for starters, second, that process SHOULD be harder, at least in terms of collecting evidence and having some due process. The beauty is having curated evidence means even servers outside of the UFI can, if they wish, use us as a source of fact-checking..
(DIR) Post #AQ22tITLBCii5fZ4TI by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T14:39:09Z
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@ejg Would you like to see a copy of the current draft in private?
(DIR) Post #AQ23di5QHLe4quVbl2 by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T14:47:37.257023Z
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@freemo What you mean by "disinformation" ?Vaccinated people now make up a "majority of covid deaths." It is "no longer" a "pandemic of the unvaccinated."https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/
(DIR) Post #AQ23tefkjvl4th6ZYO by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T14:50:30.156955Z
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@samuraikid @freemo >Being unvaccinated is still a major risk factor for dying from covid-19. But efficacy wanes over time, and an analysis out last week from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention highlights the need to get regular booster shots to keep one’s risk of death from the coronavirus low, especially for the elderly.
(DIR) Post #AQ24L8ZHhF4TR5BT2u by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T14:55:28.162431Z
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@NecroKvntPuke Sure it is, watch this movie released 4 days ago & keep supporting the genocideDied Suddentlyhttps://freespeechextremist.com/notice/APrlivhvK3Pvn0G0em@freemo
(DIR) Post #AQ24QnUSyYm7nmd4lc by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T14:56:29.536512Z
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@samuraikid @freemo how about no i dont watch queer documentary shit
(DIR) Post #AQ24Wk3GfpGwsHk46S by tsomof@social.freetalklive.com
2022-11-27T14:57:32Z
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@freemo I would love for the fediverse not be fractured. We have learned over the past few years that if the left don't like your opinion, you should be labeled a criminal or monster & removed. The type of censorship nazis dreamed of.The right still not ready to accept everyone unless they meet conditions & the find security in acting like North Korea economically. Both sides completely willing to coerce the other into ideologies that go against cherished values. The 1st world is pretty sick right now. People are pretty complicated. When they hit a point of security & luxury, they act incredibly entitled. It is disturbing & sinful. The world needs to connect or all these luxuries & securities will fade over time. What will you be willing to accept or sacrifice to ensure the next generation will be better off than us?
(DIR) Post #AQ24XCVEtQHf792naa by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T14:57:38.972682Z
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@NecroKvntPuke Yes stay ignorant drag queen @freemo
(DIR) Post #AQ24Zycyw8g0wxzPXM by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T14:58:09.076858Z
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@samuraikid @freemo nigger i have known this shit for years. suck my cock. i knew this before 2020. i knew the entire plan
(DIR) Post #AQ24dI3f9SpI55375M by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T14:58:45.002608Z
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@samuraikid @freemo i tried to explain then but everybody says im crazy get vaccines. ok retards do watever u want
(DIR) Post #AQ24dOJpsFKPUyf77w by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T14:58:43Z
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@tsomof I agree its a problem, a big one... shall I consider you an interested party then (I will send you the draft and get you involved int he convo when i start the thread)
(DIR) Post #AQ24mRM1xRQ7WF0Hw0 by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T15:00:11Z
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@freemo > that process SHOULD be harderI'm not sure that I could agree with this statement. If I'm and instance admin and my community is experiencing a lot of harassment/abuse from a given instance, I wouldn't want any roadblocks in the way of protecting that community.
(DIR) Post #AQ24r9nQfKq0Vm4IBE by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:01:15.371855Z
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@NecroKvntPuke You know you still part of MkUltra ? sure you do @freemo
(DIR) Post #AQ24ye9oBORKhY6iTw by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:02:36.584679Z
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@samuraikid @freemo nigger i never was.
(DIR) Post #AQ24zakKLm78PbdhSK by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:02:46.831712Z
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@samuraikid @freemo im NOBODY
(DIR) Post #AQ250NntxH5WYsgkKW by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T15:02:52Z
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@freemo I would be more interested in have the discussion in the open.
(DIR) Post #AQ251TqkxfmBbQXzDk by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:03:07.311213Z
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@freemo @samuraikid i just knew this was coming because i read warnings from billionaire alligned persons
(DIR) Post #AQ257Brijwt7Yviks4 by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:04:09.229359Z
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@freemo @samuraikid warning that the cold and flu season will be waponized. check. warning that a big fake happening will happen in 2020 and shit get crazy until a real big happening in 2024. still on track for that completely
(DIR) Post #AQ25BB0RsPdI3WhiGe by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:04:48Z
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@ejg We can create a provision where they are allowed to silence said instannce (not defederate) temporarily until the hearing is settled.. easily solves the issue.Keep in mind an instance has to go through an approval process to get in, this means they are checked to see if they have a history of such problems.
(DIR) Post #AQ25FuQ6yFFw3xxqRk by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T15:02:18Z
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@freemo A large backlash could be a sign that the proposal may be heading in the wrong direction or is otherwise stepping over a line.
(DIR) Post #AQ25FupdRLflL7uEEK by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:05:38Z
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@ejg I am fine with a backlash, but i wannt to make sure the backlash is once the idea is refined enough... people often wont take a second look if initial impressions arent good.
(DIR) Post #AQ25HnvM5sleUkTwtE by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:06:04.320920Z
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@freemo @samuraikid i just had to read about the cold and flue in like 2018 that they will weaponize it somehow. i was like FUCK. and before much before like 2012 was said it happens in 2020-2024/ and gues wat. its happening just like was prophecized. you are all idiots for following allong the bullshit. hermit mode and fuck em all
(DIR) Post #AQ25K2c0SIsiczUxWq by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:06:24Z
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@ejg The discussion WILL be int he open, we just need to refine the draft enough that it makes a good first impression.. the intent is to put it on a git instance and open it to **everyone** to submit feedback and vote before enacting anything.
(DIR) Post #AQ25Qvos6lt9aXnlMe by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:07:43.295709Z
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@NecroKvntPuke What's the point of knowing all that and don't share it ? Do you think you're going to be enslaved differently from the others ?Since you won't watch the movie I think there's nothing more to talk really@freemo
(DIR) Post #AQ25SIIY1DXPauKeHY by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:07:58.070019Z
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@samuraikid @freemo NIGGER I SHARED IT SO MUCH NOBODY FUCKIGN LISTENS
(DIR) Post #AQ25UbMO7MZtIEEEca by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:08:23.090223Z
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@samuraikid @freemo I DONT NEED STUPID MOVIES FOR WHAT I ALREADY KNOW.
(DIR) Post #AQ25a4qDw0s6AvnLgu by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:09:22.465828Z
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@samuraikid @freemo you all call me crazy and dont listen so fuck you. not intull thers a cockumentaary u listen? fuckign BITCH
(DIR) Post #AQ25h3aazKeSJqoTwm by tsomof@social.freetalklive.com
2022-11-27T15:10:36Z
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@freemo You may count me as interested.
(DIR) Post #AQ25lcW74ODfnttOka by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:11:27.633950Z
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@NecroKvntPuke I'm still here warning people 2 years after multiple acc banned @freemo banned me from his instance thought. Don't play victim "NOBODY LISTEN TO ME", there's always someone that listen
(DIR) Post #AQ25pmjr0YVgfEJ0zI by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:12:12.795186Z
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@samuraikid @freemo im plkaying a bigger game than just warn people they are goinjg to die. nigger i dont care if they die. i hope they do die and leaving more of planet earth for people who dont suck
(DIR) Post #AQ25s7tRKJKmqwuDYm by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:12:38.183686Z
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@samuraikid @freemo https://shithole.neocities.org/way.html
(DIR) Post #AQ25tN58LDRMFVy8ye by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:12:51.682909Z
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@samuraikid @freemo https://shithole.neocities.org/way.html read this and become uberman
(DIR) Post #AQ264w8SLx7w9S2QCW by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:14:57.093361Z
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@NecroKvntPuke Do you know you'll be microchiped right ? CBDC ? Bank of England already has the rfid chips to implant https://freespeechextremist.com/notice/ANQ3xqQfnyeKTRDhi4@freemo
(DIR) Post #AQ267v14yC9LY90dt2 by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:15:29.428806Z
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@samuraikid @freemo how? by who? i ant gona let them put that there so it wont happen
(DIR) Post #AQ26DzXh3TePKB9zvM by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:16:35.280184Z
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@samuraikid @freemo split society. in the city drones . chipped drones. out of the city. freedom. they will never get us all because those who want this shit never leave the city
(DIR) Post #AQ26LGtaw097AhsMAy by aebrockwell@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:17:52Z
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@freemo Not sure I can add much, but I'm certainly interested.
(DIR) Post #AQ26YhMPqlYn11l7bs by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:20:15Z
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@aebrockwell This is a very very early draft and will likely be rewritten significantly, but I think it gives a good idea as to the direction im headed in: https://jeffreyfreeman.me/files/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf
(DIR) Post #AQ26ahatx6pGJrURP6 by samuraikid@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:20:41.544050Z
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@NecroKvntPuke What about we all raise and say no to all this bullshit @freemo
(DIR) Post #AQ26cpcv3gs7oLRusK by NecroKvntPuke@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-27T15:21:04.636512Z
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@samuraikid @freemo good luck with that. but they wont wake up
(DIR) Post #AQ27BKuFGiggfV0SLg by dashrandom@kopiti.am
2022-11-27T15:27:12Z
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@freemo @ejg considering the knee jerk reaction that started this entire brouhaha in the first place, I don't think this is a bad approach..
(DIR) Post #AQ27QY1ykmBhiYsRpA by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:29:58Z
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@dashrandom Yea while an open forum will be an absolutely vital step before enacting the UFI I think it is critical to first curate a group of people interested in it in private, get a decent first draft, and ensure there is some degree of support before going public. Only to counteract the irrtional nonsense flying around. That said we already have a decent following brewing so i think when we do go public with it in the next few days it will be well balanced and give us a chance to make sure everyone is heard all the same.@ejg
(DIR) Post #AQ27dm3luCqqza1SSm by Romaq@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:29:03Z
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@ejg1) First, was this sufficiently proofread so people don't totally freak out about a word of place and use it as a quote forever as "true intentions?" 2) Are there unnecessary and superfluous embellishments that could and must be trimmed to concisely and succinctly make the intended idea come across?3) Are the fundamental ideas really sound? Is this really going to solve the problem, or just move the issue around for a while? Is this really workable in the opinion of interested parties who have had to actually deal with social systems for a while? Is this idea as "tight" as it can be made?For the purpose of expediency to present something that offers better and doesn't look like a half eaten chicken sandwich offered to a vegetarian, a few days of eyeballs on it privately won't harms the larger public discussion of it. It isn't being done in secret and it isn't skulldugery to be dropped without discussion or consent unlike the actions it is trying to address.So yeah... It'll be public, just give people a chance to scrape the ugly off before it's presented. @freemo
(DIR) Post #AQ27dmbnrg4ch7wdVY by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T15:32:22Z
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@Romaq Well said and I agree, the public forum will be critical and notthing is final without public discussion. We just want a good starting point is all.@ejg
(DIR) Post #AQ2KDKd0ZX49n0E3Y8 by tatzelbrumm@qoto.org
2022-11-27T17:53:18Z
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@freemo Interested ... trying to participate in setting up a fediverse instance in the local club.
(DIR) Post #AQ2MkEKFE4GRhsGQt6 by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T17:00:26Z
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@freemo this seems to mostly add a layer of bureaucracy to the process of de-federation. Those that are not in the UFI could be seen as bad actors.This would penalize those that choose not to join the UFI, or that get expelled because they chose to de-federate from an instance, after a judgement went the other way, because they felt it was necessary to protect their community.
(DIR) Post #AQ2MkEyenoafjDAhsW by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T18:21:38Z
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@ejg The intent is to make sure that those not in the UFI are **not** seen as bad actors.. I explicitly left out any concept of assuming non-UFI members were bad actors. The idea is that if you arent in the UFI people in the UFI can judge on an inndividual basis how they want to handle youAnd yes it adds a layer of beurocracy, but the intent of that layer is to ensure blocking is done in an informed and evidence based manner
(DIR) Post #AQ2MkGJFqif1rNofce by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T17:03:24Z
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@freemo This could serve to pressure those to stay federated to instance thay feel are not moderating their community, instead of pressuring those who are not moderating their community to improve.
(DIR) Post #AQ2MkHwdlllAvpFdeS by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T17:08:09Z
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@freemo I do feel that dog-piling and bad-faith reporting is a problem in a lot of social network spaces. It would be nice to see beter tools and recourse on identifying and combating those forms of harassment.
(DIR) Post #AQ2Mocu7miaB5v8vZo by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T18:22:25Z
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@ejg The idea is that if someone is not moderating their community then they can be czalled out for it and will be kicked out of the UFI... thats why we have a evidence based due process... as long as there is evidence then they wont last in the UFI.
(DIR) Post #AQ2MuwVBpjYZc6UY8O by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T18:23:33Z
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@ejg The idea here is that the UFI itself wont need to be universal, but its due process log will act as a tool for those in and out of the UFI... Any claims against or for servers in the UFI will be logged and the evidence logged and transparent.. So if an instance out of the UFI want to decide for themselves they still have access to the evidence and can make their decision in an informed way.
(DIR) Post #AQ2US2LFqF8OxcZXIu by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T19:47:59Z
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@freemo > I explicitly left out any concept of assuming non-UFI members were bad actorsSome form of explicit menten that non-UFI members are not assumed to be bad actors might be good to include.
(DIR) Post #AQ2UbYrwH9qYRqOyA4 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T19:49:42Z
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@ejg Great idea, agreed.
(DIR) Post #AQ2Ur5qpvmA95IIBdo by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T19:52:29Z
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@ejg I changed the last paragraph to this, better?The solution, therefore, is to ensure due process, enable discussion and to do so in a transparent fashion visible to all parties and with all sides having a chance to present evidence. While good-actor instance shall remain unified and federated amongst each other, any instances that have not shown to be good-actors by joining the United federation of Instances (UFI) are not under any special protections, they should be allowed to be moderated by instances however an instance sees fit. However non-UFI members should not be assumed to be bad actors either simply because they are not members of the UFI.
(DIR) Post #AQ2V2epuCKRkm2N4Ea by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T19:54:34Z
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@ejg Ignore that last version, here is a better one I think:The solution, therefore, is to ensure due process, enable discussion and to do so in a transparent fashion visible to all parties and with all sides having a chance to present evidence. While good-actor instances shall remain unified and federated amongst each other, any instances that have not shown to be good-actors by joining the United federation of Instances (UFI) are not under any special protections, they should be allowed to be moderated by instances however an instance sees fit. However non-UFI members should not be assumed to be bad actors either, simply not being a member of the UFI should not imply a certain prejudice on its own.
(DIR) Post #AQ2WhP0S3dpDVOIR3A by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T20:13:10Z
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@freemo an opt in 3rd party/independent/community driven reporting tool/space where claims could be logged and investigated might be something I would be more interested in. This could be a good tool to help identify forms of harassment that are not easily captured by the built-in reporting tools available. (Dog-piling, bad-faith reporting, etc.)And still be a place to appeal against disinformation, or unfounded claims.
(DIR) Post #AQ2XMSFgtXD3Re02dc by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T20:20:34Z
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@ejg Any such tool would be central to the UFI ideally (We can use gitlab at first)... So id support it too. That said the problem is these people arent very rational.. providing evidence alone wont help. There needs to be a "protective bubble" of solidarity as well, everyone just saving their own ass when one instance is attacked is not sustainable. Too many good instances have been lost
(DIR) Post #AQ2YuoofbkptE6JKYi by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-27T20:38:02Z
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@freemo I still feel that this has the potential to apply social pressure in the wrong direction (so to speak) and pressure admins to allow the more marginalized members of their community to be exposed to harassment in an effort to stay in the UFI. Protections against that should be built in from the start. Bad actors have a knack for weaponizing tools that are suppose to keep things civil. So thinking about how this could be abused/twisted could help avoid pitfalls.
(DIR) Post #AQ2dEFWCxBCxMQCDIm by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-27T21:26:20Z
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@ejg the beauty of the UFI is there vcan be more than one.. if they feel marginalized, leave the community, create your own federation with the same or similar or different rules The UFI doesnt need tto be one monolithic entity but it is meant to "group" servers that have the same code of conducts as eachother.;
(DIR) Post #AQ2hfXlFdSkRZgVENk by Gaythia@qoto.org
2022-11-27T22:16:05Z
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@freemo Yes I am interested.
(DIR) Post #AQ3919Hk0yMQnTE5oG by ejg@fosstodon.org
2022-11-28T03:22:32Z
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@freemo if someone isn't vibing with the community or doesn't agree with the rules, of course they can move instances. But if those who are already marginalized (or anyone in this instance) are being harassed. A moderators response shouldn't be to have the harassed leave the community, but to take appreciate action against the harassers. That may include de-federation. It should be a final resort, but I wouldn't want social pressure preventing an admin from taking that step if needed.
(DIR) Post #AQ3BIuh9CPxAfPhz84 by ichoran@qoto.org
2022-11-28T03:48:10Z
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@freemo I'm happy to lend some eyes and thoughts, though I am too busy to be on ongoing participant. But I can try for a focused brief effort, maybe aimed at a decent first draft.Hopefully this could be of use. I have a good deal of experience with online spaces (being old enough to have been involved in many), and I have seen a variety of attempts at moderation and such in a variety of venues and seen problems of various sorts in action. Furthermore, I'm reasonably well-versed in the contemporary problem of echo chambers, amplification of misinformation, and the propensity to anti-social content, am familiar with the standard philosophical arguments in favor of free speech (including necessary preconditions and assumptions), and have at least a superficial understanding of how human psychology differs in online vs in-person interactions.So although I'm not an expert in the area, for an amateur, I think I'm decently qualified to have some hope of making a worthwhile contribution despite a limited engagement.
(DIR) Post #AQ3dyfudLd89hOibA0 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-28T09:09:27Z
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@ichoran I will keep you in the loop. Engage as you wish.
(DIR) Post #AQ3e5BPP9sCT7XDMZc by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-28T09:10:35Z
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@ejg I agree with you entierly... harassment is against the rules. If someone is being harassed they shouldnt be marginalized and kicked out, the server should report the other for harassment and they should be kicked out of the UFI
(DIR) Post #AQ3gpZYttCjvG8u71c by AlanOutback@qoto.org
2022-11-28T09:41:25Z
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@freemo *The existing problem* that I see, was JoinMastodon unilaterally and non transparently turfing QOTO from its list despite QOTO at all times meeting its publicly stated requirements. On top of that, not having any receipts on how and why when questioned. Really is a violation of trust.And that drastically effects new signup if JoinMastodon is represented as an authoritative list of where new people could go. When it is seemingly more just some guys friends list and is not actually done on its owns stated & advertised criteria. There are all the public criteria for being on Join Matstadon then there are the double secret reasons (some servers, in this case QOTO are excluded because :P<blows raspberry>. )What is thus needed is a replacement for Joinmastodon, or an improvement in JoinMastodon.One of the improvements might be that each server must tell us (potential new signups) what other servers on that list they block and why. other UI improvements is how to find server that suits the new user would also be possible.===========================As for mandating that servers don't block others. NOPE. It is perfectly true that I have strong expectation that any @member@QOTO is likely basically immune to radicalization. (we've all met stupid a lot of times before, even stupid dressed up in academic clothes.) And given that QOTO so clearly says it doesn't block instances and has csv files to make it easy for individuals to make their own garden walled.Then yes we, the members of QOTO are just fine with no blocks and we knew that coming in.I don't agree that generalises to all servers and people. If someone wants to be on a server that clearly defines itself as a walled garden ... then that is not a second class server, its just one delivering things/features that I don't personally want or need. I do however respect that some people may well want or even need that. I am even more than happy to make sure all new signups that want such a thing know where to find it.
(DIR) Post #AQ3p9tzKSCqm2FTEbA by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-28T11:14:42Z
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@AlanOutback The thing is if any member of QOTO shows sympathy for radicalized ideas and starts expressing hate speech they would be kicked pretty quickly... Interestingly enough I've never seen a good-actor come here and then suddenly turn bad.
(DIR) Post #AQ3pATcXyO18Y15Y5Q by AlanOutback@qoto.org
2022-11-28T09:56:06Z
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@freemo Also note while my initial statement above was in the public timeline. And I thought it belonged there.It really has nothing to do with any proposal, it is me discussing the nature of the universe as I see it. AKA me doing/living QOTO. (AKA if what I said is wrong smack me, I promise to enjoy learning from it.)I also value the point (Someone else approx made) of preserving maximal degrees freedom for inter server argy bargy to resolve moderation. Moderation is going to get much harder, for some servers when the purposeful but clever not entirely good faith rules lawyers turn up (and start toeing lines in bad faith), and then bush lawyers any set rules we have against us. High functioning Stem severs may be up for that, I suspect the rest of the fediverse will enforce, Wheatons law, more by gut feels. I don't want any 'rules' in their way. The issue is the sign up list, and perhaps(?) secret block lists, so none know how much or little they signed up for. I am also willing to participate in any closed forum, know how not to, drama drama. but in all likelyhood will always have my own opinion. I rarely reach just the same conclusions on such topics as anyone else, but frequently decide there are no hills worth dying on.