Post APvRclUXAgHputcK0m by cnx@larkspur.one
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(DIR) Post #APrrkTrGR69hiikUd6 by blindscribe@writing.exchange
2022-11-22T15:18:43Z
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I've put together a small, but incomplete, list of instances/communities with POC moderators. Mastodon.social, and Mastodon online, are not it.weirder.earth, rage.love, scholar.social, blacktwitter.io, Mastodon.art, queer.garden, writeout.ink.Here's how to move accounts and take your followers with you https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/#BlackMastodon #BlackTwitter #BlackFedi #FediTips #TwitterMigration
(DIR) Post #APrrkUF10n9cuNrSeO by cnx@larkspur.one
2022-11-22T16:47:10.330287Z
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@blindscribe, what make those moderators only proof of concept? I have seen many of the respective instances in production for quite a while now.
(DIR) Post #APs0Kqtf3VFrEQiyO0 by clacke@libranet.de
2022-11-22T17:19:33Z
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@cnx @blindscribe Not proof of concept, not point of contact, not proof of capacity or the Pirates of the Caribbean, the most common interpretation of PoC outside technology and industry:Person/People of Color
(DIR) Post #APs0KrYmac9FHxxoTw by cnx@larkspur.one
2022-11-22T18:23:25.990446Z
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Thanks, @clacke, I don’t see that abbreviation outside tech very often. It creeps me out a bit that such phrase categorizing people by race is actually commonly used so casually, but I guess since the Anglosphere is predominantly white it makes other races exotic 🤷🏎FWIW I wouldn’t be exactly comfortable were I to be recommended on the interwebs because of my skin color, unless my physical appearance is relevant to the job or work. Highlighting cultural distinction on the other hand is more appropriate IMHO, and I hope umbrella terms for it will gain more traction.Cc: @blindscribe
(DIR) Post #APs0LUGifhs9LEoRF2 by victorpierre@hachyderm.io
2022-11-22T18:08:14Z
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@cnx @clacke @blindscribe oh is that what it means? I really dislike abbreviations because they are so contextual and prone to confusion. For a minute there I though he was complaining about the moderators ( I read it as “piece of crap” 🤦🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #APtJObrgygAG3bGiK8 by cnx@larkspur.one
2022-11-23T09:31:42.473022Z
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Indeed @ckohtala, but the interwebs is not meatspace. Verifying someone‘s skin color here is the equivalence of finding out the color of an IRL acquaintance’s toilet bowl. It’s not necessarily classified information (as in, fine to be shared) and most likely to be white, but choosing who to hang out with based on such information is creepy nevertheless, if not fetishizing.Now culture, one the other hand, is entirely different, despite the large intersection because the majority of anglophone cyberspace is from the West. A purple guy online is more likely to appear similarly to a green gal from the same hood than another purple guy half the globe away. Shouldn’t our language reflect such distinction?
(DIR) Post #APvQ1wBCN1GQOeRrjU by shardsofblue@queer.party
2022-11-23T11:34:20Z
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@cnx this entire diatribe is blindingly ignorant of the conversations that actual POC have been having about their needs. The instances shared above don’t go around verifying skin color, but they are especially welcoming to POC where many white-run spaces are not. The reality is that skin color is a useful distinction due to the lived experiences of POC, and being online vs off doesn’t change that.@ckohtala
(DIR) Post #APvQ1wvHbg7wha0fZ2 by cnx@larkspur.one
2022-11-24T09:55:24.494623Z
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@shardsofblue, you misinterpreted what I said to @ckohtala. What I meant was that we cannot easily verify the physical traits of someone, say moderators of certain instances, as well as the users. Because such traits aren’t obvious online, the interests and experiences don’t necessarily of people looking like each other IRL don’t magically align. In meatspace is much more likely to because if thou meets somebody, you are probably live in the same society.Your reality of distinction based on skin color is specific to where you live, and FYI it does not extend globally. There are many ways people can be marginalized, it just happens that in the West the cultural minority has a different color on their skin.
(DIR) Post #APvRcl1otRJmTqBOFs by minshall@mastodon.com.tr
2022-11-23T17:56:19Z
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@clacke @cnx @blindscribe cnx, could you expand on umbrella terms for cultural distinctions, maybe some examples? thanks in advance.
(DIR) Post #APvRclUXAgHputcK0m by cnx@larkspur.one
2022-11-24T10:13:16.675902Z
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IDK TBH @minshall, I suppose it depends on what you’re looking for. The Internet is a global space, IMHO it’d be better to be specific rather than trying to group irrelevant cultures based on their popularity. If you belong to X and look for cultural enrichment, you might wanna ask for stuff in non-X.My main gripes with calling the majority of the world population color in everyday conversation are (1) we are just as human as the rest, so why the special treatment, be it good or bad and (2) it’s just technically wrong since white is composed of more colors than any other.Cc: @clacke and @blindscribe
(DIR) Post #AQ5oTbvLcANCADMVo8 by shardsofblue@queer.party
2022-11-28T09:28:59Z
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@cnx and you ignored the most important part of what I said, which is that PoC have told us what they need, and one of those things is to find instances run by other PoC. As a white guy, my job is to listen to PoC about their needs, not theorize about them from the outside. (And color-based racism is a lot broader than simply minority status in Western nations, I suggest doing some reading.)
(DIR) Post #AQ5oTcbB6dpkFwvv0a by cnx@larkspur.one
2022-11-29T10:16:14.849885Z
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YMMV @shardsofblue, but I still find it degrading to group people by the sole criteria of not looking like thee (assuming thou is honest about it, it’s the interwebs after all). Did thou consider convos thou had had a context, i.e. people of color means people of color where one’s from, while in a public post such context became global?I wouldn’t have any problem if the OP was phrased as for people culturally oppressed, but no, it had to be about a certain race regardless of context. Personally I find such use of the term to be spreading racism, even though people doing it believe they’re doing good. I’m not dismissing racism or other kind of discrimination exists throughout the world, just not the kind where white are supposedly privileged. Just as a reminder, the textbook definition of racism is believing in certain characteristics of a group solely based on their race.Anyhow, agreed that us going back and forth is going nowhere, as FWIW I refuse to be reeducated that I can be marginalized simply because I share the same ethnicity with most others in my home country.
(DIR) Post #AQ5oTdqoRzvy8jFv16 by shardsofblue@queer.party
2022-11-28T09:30:10Z
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@cnx anyway I’m done with this convo, you clearly think you have all the answers already. But if you’re not listening to the groups you’re talking about, you’re talking over them.
(DIR) Post #AQ5oTfUCN327DAgt2u by shardsofblue@queer.party
2022-11-28T09:33:43Z
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(@cnx there were a number of other responses to this thread and I hate that I wiped them out but I’d left the wrong person tagged and they were getting pinged about something they never said, so I had to delete and redraft. 😔)
(DIR) Post #AQ5sZEapfeTzMHhfVY by trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net
2022-11-27T23:52:38Z
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@cnx Shards is totally correct. One of the issues which Asian folks in their own countries have faced is the notion that if you are lighter-skinned than other people who were born in the same country as you, you are more likely to be treated well. This has lead to the creation of skincare and beauty products which claim to help you lighten your skin colour from whatever your skin naturally produces to something lighter. 1/
(DIR) Post #AQ5sZF3tvZjcoRIsoi by trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net
2022-11-27T23:53:15Z
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@cnx The source of this was, of course, colonialism by people from European countries like Spain, France, England, and the Netherlands during the Age of Empire-building and the Age of Exploration. I think it's rooted in classicism as well, because if your skin wasn't browned by the sun (or your natural melanin), you were considered important enough not to be working constantly outdoors doing physical labour. 2/
(DIR) Post #AQ5sZFWyBUzGGau67s by trishalynn@mastodon.sandwich.net
2022-11-27T23:55:49Z
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@cnx At least that's how I feel about the lingering issues brought on by Spanish colonialism in the Philippines. I'd love to hear your thoughts regarding French colonization of Vietnam and how that did or did not contribute to the issues faced with Vietnamese people interacting with people in countries other than Vietnam. 3/End
(DIR) Post #AQ5sZG1oKpenoFKjCK by cnx@larkspur.one
2022-11-29T11:02:04.056235Z
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@trishalynn, seconding the tanning issue, although such classism rooted back in ancient beauty standards in sinosphere, as early as agriculture itself AFAICT, not sure about other places. It became problematic with regional and global integration, but I think I also observe a positive feedback loop, as in people becoming more open minded of what to be considered good looking.Though beauty standard is a whole other can of worm, it’s rather prone to change, like how tanning is now favored in anglosphere or teeth blackening in some asian cultures fell out of fashion within few decades. There are certain traits that cannot be changed, e.g. height or skin color, those that can be changed yet culturally significant like styling of hair (facial and body included), nails and tattoos, and finally more flexible traits like level of fitness. The concept of beauty is more complex than literally black-and-white, like other cultural aspects. Back to the original topic, this means simplifying people’s cultures, interests and experiences into race, especially white and color is distasteful at best.As for french colonization cultural impact on Việt Nam, I’m unsure if it’s significant beyond language and food in large cities. It’s not like there were many frenchies living in Indochina back then (around 1‰ population) and IIUC their policy was not to turn the colony into part of France (but rather to harvest resources, labors and markets). That, plus after the 9-year long war french legacy was extensively kinda purged from Việt Nam at least.
(DIR) Post #ASFYFsQDRV9XXVO5Cq by zero@nightshift.social
2023-02-01T22:46:06.099653Z
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Are you retarded?