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(DIR) Post #APuTREVZT31XBZls0G by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-23T22:58:37Z
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This is infuriating. It's one thing to stop selling a game, but to aggressively prevent people who've purchased and downloaded it from playing should be a goddamn crime. I keep saying buy physical, but what if that's not even an option? This is a tragedy. This is gaming history being erased. #gaming #GamePreservation #DeusExGohttps://www.theverge.com/2022/11/22/23474317/deus-ex-go-embracer-onoma-square-enix-shutting-down
(DIR) Post #APuTirYtWK7jEOjSQi by diddledani@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T23:01:25Z
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@killyourfm along those lines I hate that any kind of game that is multiplayer-only via a service that is wholly owned and run by the game company without offering any way to self-host is another crime that is preventing archival of games. so much gaming history over the last 10-20 years is disappearing because of such things.
(DIR) Post #APuTmBnYjoFurXB4t6 by Difusest@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T23:01:28Z
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@killyourfm I agree. It's infuriating.I'm really worried about what this means for the future of gaming. What if we start seeing more and more of these issues? We're talking about games that were released over 20 years ago, but still have a huge following even today! If developers start pulling their support in favor of newer titles, it could mean the end of some great franchises.
(DIR) Post #APuTp15h0Lk6WS0Wwq by fandangos@cuscuz.in
2022-11-23T23:02:47Z
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@killyourfm piracy is now self-defense.
(DIR) Post #APuTrKdfISsxjE0BFo by thehomespundays@toot.bike
2022-11-23T23:03:04Z
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@killyourfm How is this not just theft? I purchased something, and now you're telling me I can't have it? That's not how transactions work!
(DIR) Post #APuTvct7O9IbUBHHGq by mforester@rollenspiel.social
2022-11-23T23:04:06Z
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@killyourfm also a pretty fun game that to the best of my knowledge could simply be played offline. I don't think they're saving any server costs, so my best guess is the studio has been bought and the buyers can't be arsed to care for the Google Play store.IMHO they should just release the latest version for free so it can be archived somewhere.
(DIR) Post #APuTyLEtSkXXcMl2XI by Jaxseven@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T23:04:24Z
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@killyourfm This along with Nintendo's Wii Shop/old eShop makes a fantastic case against digital purchases. It's this erosion of ownership and preservation. What's funny is I've ended buying a lot more Switch games physically because I know I can dump the games and keep them forever. I do worry about Steam on day no longer being around and what will happen to my library...
(DIR) Post #APuUZFvu9cQzsKThEO by CyborgZeta@fosstodon.org
2022-11-23T23:11:13Z
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@killyourfm Buying physical isn't even an option for PC games these days.
(DIR) Post #APuUdIzohvhgX9Erg0 by ve4grm@dice.camp
2022-11-23T23:11:58Z
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@killyourfm What the actual hell?Corporations, man.
(DIR) Post #APuUifRyePUvccy2fA by skobkin@lor.sh
2022-11-23T23:13:20Z
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@killyourfmThat's why I supported things like GoG while I could. This way I can at least be sure that the game I bought wouldn't be ruined by death of DRM provider or servers shutdown. At least single player part of it.
(DIR) Post #APuWQqFrwMJdpOvpEu by ClaudeChampagne@fosstodon.org
2022-11-23T23:32:14Z
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@killyourfm “On behalf of the development team, we would like to thank you for playing our games.” Now, get lost. 👏
(DIR) Post #APuWaohuY7x3vKnwkS by mmstick@fosstodon.org
2022-11-23T23:34:02Z
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@killyourfm Unfortunately, many physical releases of games today require online updates or connectivity to function, and often with updates required on day one.There was a lot of complaints over a Limited Run Games / Best Buy release of the Doom Classics Collection for Switch that required signing in to a Bethesda account and having an active online connection to play the game.
(DIR) Post #APuXTem3BNU12ktGEq by jc@social.librem.one
2022-11-23T23:44:00Z
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@killyourfm This must be the complete opposite end of the spectrum of free and open-source software.
(DIR) Post #APuZNKoSgUZFJ28Cw4 by milesaboveit@mastodon.world
2022-11-24T00:05:09Z
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@killyourfm the games should be free unless there is some tangible value that helps society improve
(DIR) Post #APucQNo2JPdlJv4s3U by PublicLewdness@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-24T00:39:41.858683Z
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@killyourfm One more reason to switch to FOSS gaming only.
(DIR) Post #APugEQExpqRlDCE0jg by mortalglitch@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-24T01:21:01Z
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@killyourfm I don't understand why they would do this. From what I recall the online aspect wasn't even a huge part of it. If I ever ran a game company that had an online game I would license it so the source would open as the online services ran down. I've been part of multiple game communities now that were only saved by people reverse engineering them and it shouldn't be that way.
(DIR) Post #APuluft8Xvvtfzyxrk by testman@mstdn.social
2022-11-24T02:25:44Z
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@killyourfm Do you know about any game preservation movement or something that tries to fight against this?All I know is that Ross Scott, the creator of Freeman's mind, is very angry about games being killed, and is putting some effort into making a change.He even has a series of videos about this topic, called Dead Game News.
(DIR) Post #APvBDNbdF27XKZoJea by lminiero@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T07:09:15Z
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@killyourfm it is indeed outrageous. I try to buy retail whenI can (especially for PS4 games) but otherwise pretty much have to rely on digital delivery. Luckily GOG allows you to download games (it's what they do) and so far Steam still allows you to install games you've bought even after they've been removed, but still that's relying on the kindness of strangers, where there should be rules in place to protect customers
(DIR) Post #APvDtGN2jScMxh5OKW by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-24T07:39:10Z
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@testman I'm not aware of any movements, but I'm going to boost this to see if we get some answers.
(DIR) Post #APvEIUCURzTh5sB31E by Jamoflaw@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T07:43:42Z
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@killyourfm I guess that says all anyone needs to know about that company then!!
(DIR) Post #APvEmBeTygl8FoQtkG by stormkeepergu@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T07:49:08Z
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@killyourfm @testman I'm interested in game preservation, but I'm not quite at the point where I'm able to set up a proper organisation, although I am working things as and when I can!
(DIR) Post #APvF3mlHG5RoGp0EIy by ajfriesen@home.social
2022-11-24T07:52:18Z
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@killyourfm @testman Linus and Luke from Linus Tech Tips often mention this in the WAN show.I think it falls in the same category as companies build some smart device like a light switch or bulb which only works whit their cloud service.When they fail and/or go out of business you have e waste.For games it's less e waste these days but more of history.The playstation 3 is still working fine today, I wonder how this will turn out for the new consoles in a decade or so.
(DIR) Post #APvGve59qOMYwYY22i by vancha@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T08:13:13Z
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@killyourfm Buying intellectual property just to "gather a portfolio" should be illegal too. There's so many good games that never even saw the light of day because of this. Actually.. thinking about it some more.. Intellectual property should be illegal 😢️
(DIR) Post #APvIYE1YlEo5NEpDCy by sudoaptgetlife@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T08:31:24Z
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@killyourfm IMO there needs to be rules in place to force companies to maintain access to digital goods at the very least as long as the store front the item was purchased from exists or face penalty of issuing refunds to the customer if the game they have purchased becomes inaccessible or unplayable. Additionally if a company no longer wishes to maintain remote servers that an online only game is reliant on then they should be forced to open source the server code or issue refunds.
(DIR) Post #APvTidqEj60JpvhLjk by Flatulenator@freeatlantis.com
2022-11-24T10:36:31Z
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@killyourfm Hope they get sued for this via class action. This is one reason I don't buy online-only games.
(DIR) Post #APvTkA7sB9xsFqflHE by Flatulenator@freeatlantis.com
2022-11-24T10:36:49Z
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@killyourfm Hope they get sued for this via class action.
(DIR) Post #APvX6dHKlqLEu3VJxo by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-24T11:14:25Z
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@Flatulenator And if they do, I hope some legislation gets introduced to prevent this crap.
(DIR) Post #APvZzH851S6Y2mMKH2 by pere_grin@layer8.space
2022-11-24T11:46:06Z
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@killyourfm The only change to this kind of behaviour at the moment could come with the wider distribution of ownership rights to games via nft's. Gamestop seems to be headed in that direction with their nft marketplace.
(DIR) Post #APvbYboEE97IGqUBhQ by AmonTheMetalHead@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T11:58:22Z
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@CyborgZeta @killyourfm or consoles. At best you get a broken mess, at works it's just a fancy licence key on a shiny empty disk.
(DIR) Post #APvbYcgSyUVAz3rVEu by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-24T12:04:19Z
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@AmonTheMetalHead @CyborgZeta This is bordering on intolerable. What can we even do to take some power back? I refuse to live in a world where NO games are offered in complete physical form.
(DIR) Post #APvbbhNxx0ByQzfvQ8 by cketti@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T11:39:04Z
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@testman @killyourfm There's the Video Game History Foundation.https://gamehistory.org/
(DIR) Post #APvbbqcpb6Ql5hhQLA by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-24T12:04:46Z
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@cketti @testman I'll look into it, thanks man.
(DIR) Post #APvc5tXxIgUaq4kKtE by AmonTheMetalHead@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T12:10:16Z
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@killyourfm @CyborgZeta only thing we can do, vote with our wallets. Be vocal, kick some dust up every now & then, let them know what we want and if we can't get it, we'll take our coins elsewhere. Or we could bribe a senator or something, because they won't act on their own.
(DIR) Post #APvkJg1t9YAUbTpWYi by ewanspence@mastodon.scot
2022-11-24T13:42:23Z
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@killyourfm while it was marked as a beta, Everdale ran for over a year, and then just killed. Big community, and the individual community groups in game, just lost, with almost no obvious replacement game with a similar style.(Rise of Culture is close, I moved there, but has more pay to play mechanics to avoid)
(DIR) Post #APvlbY75QKiZDcLbAe by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-24T13:56:56Z
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@ewanspence See, this is despicable. What is gained by not just open-sourcing it, or at least giving the fanbase on opportunity to host it or somehow "take over" the game?
(DIR) Post #APvoPyw2AuxcnBLywS by ewanspence@mastodon.scot
2022-11-24T14:28:17Z
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@killyourfm even a "server of so you can have a solo mode". Would be something, but presumably paying devs for goodwill is not the Supercell way.
(DIR) Post #APvxXlVgs6DT3lolZA by fabyk@hessen.social
2022-11-24T16:10:34Z
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@killyourfm @cketti @testman A more practical approach is done by https://wiki.retro-exo.com/ for DOS and Win 3.x games.
(DIR) Post #APwSn4aLKXyr8um0BM by dulsi@mastodon.gamedev.place
2022-11-24T22:00:25Z
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@killyourfm I've been focusing on open source game preservation. It's easier than preserving closed source games but even then building games can be difficult or even impossible.
(DIR) Post #APxIw7ACJDM3MVB0E4 by CyborgZeta@fosstodon.org
2022-11-25T05:07:20Z
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@AmonTheMetalHead @killyourfm Yeah, well at least on the PC gaming side, most people don't seem to care about physical anymore. Optical drives on modern PCs are basically extinct.
(DIR) Post #APxIw7aQjgL2frRx7A by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-25T07:45:04Z
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@CyborgZeta @AmonTheMetalHead Yea, consider that consumers have had the ability to vote with their wallets completely removed on PC. Where does that leave us? It's a really crappy situation to be in. Look at Steam. I think we trust Valve enough to stick around, but what if they don't? Do we trust this business to preserve all our digital purchases for us once their servers are dead and gone? What GUARANTEE do we actually have?
(DIR) Post #APzgpIRikSaTXkZg5w by AmonTheMetalHead@mastodon.social
2022-11-26T11:22:14Z
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@killyourfm @CyborgZeta don't put all your eggs in one basket, I love Valve for all they've done for Linux gaming, but I'm not exclusive in that relationship ;)
(DIR) Post #AQ4VxXnzOqFXn3WJrE by dark1ltg@silversword.online
2022-11-28T19:14:03Z
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@killyourfmHitsave and a few other organizations are working on game preservation.@testman