Post APuMPaAlFXVa7OIrdg by faizalr@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #APtsYWPTbxKYQiX63s by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:05:38Z
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Big rumblings in the expansion of the #Fediverse have been happening recently. #Tumblr has already promised to implement #ActivityPub (the protocol Mastodon uses), which will mean you can follow Tumblr accounts from here and vice versa. And today we a learning that #Flickr is also considering it! This will be a massive expansion bringing, which obviously carries some uncertainties, but I, for one, welcome our new federation partners.This is the way the internet is supposed to work.
(DIR) Post #APtsdikt8fmiAN1k8m by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:06:32Z
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It might make the Fediverse bigger than Twitter!
(DIR) Post #APtsqmNqxYe9BUTmgy by katedegerdon@home.social
2022-11-23T16:08:46Z
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@john Will Mastadon's servers have the capacity to cope with all this new activity? They must have zillions arriving from Twitter too?
(DIR) Post #APttVgi4xXfjSbRkIq by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:16:18Z
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@katedegerdon Tumblr and (if they choose to implement) Flickr will be using their own servers for their users, so the the cost will be just the increased interconnect activity. Which is WAY less than if those users joined Mastodon servers directly. So it's a great way to grow quickly.
(DIR) Post #APttgCrWGydA4gsUXQ by bestiaexmachina@metalhead.club
2022-11-23T16:18:04Z
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@john Another one? SWEET! Such exciting times! :blobrainbow:
(DIR) Post #APttiJHZNEiCZ848Bs by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:18:32Z
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@raantuva I thought so too, but Tumblr is now owned by Automattic, which is also runs Wordpress.com. They are a forward-thinking and open-source friendly company, so it's a fairly natural move for them.
(DIR) Post #APtuA8GTvjo4VHp7U8 by kaydubatl@mastodon.world
2022-11-23T16:23:34Z
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@john Flickr (especially!) and Tumblr are still around?? Well shut the front door! Or open it up, I guess we’re doing! 😄 Decentralization for the win! #decentralization
(DIR) Post #APtuMAYLFVLx4huutU by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:25:48Z
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@kaydubatl Tumblr is actually super-active, they never really die, and I think they've had an influx of many millions. Flickr I don't know about, but a lot of people have accounts there which I suppose they can start using again.
(DIR) Post #APtuTtQ4pmM6Fmja0u by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:27:08Z
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Who's next, #DeviantArt?
(DIR) Post #APtucNsdSxjv2g8oYS by chartier@toot.cafe
2022-11-23T16:28:40Z
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@john There's just no making you happy is there.
(DIR) Post #APtukVCC9RG830A2NM by mbrmark@mastodon.world
2022-11-23T16:30:09Z
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@john So Flickr is the Vulcans, Tumbler the Romulans
(DIR) Post #APtumo0nAG6cz2vRxI by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:30:34Z
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@dch No, I'm pretty sure that's not the case. The influx here is almost entirely from Twitter as far as I can make out. Tumblr has grown very quickly in the same time period, also from Twitter. They are not losing people, they are gaining (possibly faster than the Fediverse).
(DIR) Post #APtv5uw9dnVDxorykK by whatzaname@masto.ai
2022-11-23T16:34:02Z
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@john and if we don't like it, we will be able to mute these same as any #instance Right?#AskTheFediverse
(DIR) Post #APtv77xqguQCenEtIe by coty@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T16:34:11Z
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@john I don't know why, but I'd only been thinking of #Tumblr as a publisher. I'm more excited knowing people will be able to follow from there, too.
(DIR) Post #APtvCcc0AgYv9mdl5c by frittnessstudio@nrw.social
2022-11-23T16:35:15Z
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@john Today I learned that tumblr is still a thing. Good news though, everyone can easily boost tumblr memes in the future :D
(DIR) Post #APtvYRg1Vahxc3vZhY by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:39:10Z
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@coty Yeah, I should qualify that with I don't *know* that they are going to implement the whole spec for sure, but there nothing to suggest they are going outbound only. Tumblr will be by far the largest instance in the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APtvdD8azZqZy6Z3h2 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:40:05Z
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@whatzaname Yep.
(DIR) Post #APtw4rqpjDf63eRabo by tomfinley@wptoots.social
2022-11-23T16:45:02Z
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@john so the world's richest toddler basically gifted the Internet with a renewed verve for socialism and communism. Ain't that some shit. #SeizeTheMeansOfProduction!
(DIR) Post #APtwGvF6wbw63GY1ey by chrisk@mas.to
2022-11-23T16:47:16Z
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@john 👏👏👏👍👍👍👍
(DIR) Post #APtwJ0rB2i2E2gLkP2 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:47:40Z
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@tomfinley Yes, whatever happens now, he's broken the monopoly.
(DIR) Post #APtwZAj07YrjHUEMls by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:50:31Z
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@mbrmark The Borg (MetaFacebookInstagram) is still out there so stay sharp!
(DIR) Post #APtwi3z0YY42ygxQie by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:52:08Z
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@raantuva Actually, looking at it, Flickr is now owned by SmugMug, not Yahoo. So both are owned by smaller, better companies.
(DIR) Post #APtwn6n7XhXD8Snr96 by mike@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:52:48Z
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@john Paging #DeviantArt!
(DIR) Post #APtwovwaqLFq4Z6W6C by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:53:21Z
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@mike Or more problematically... #Reddit.
(DIR) Post #APtwuGdvJRzjiVumS8 by mike@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:53:55Z
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@john Oh, snap.
(DIR) Post #APtwvcsi7FjayhTmAC by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:54:07Z
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@mike Pretty sure they'd get defederated pretty much everywhere though.
(DIR) Post #APtx1udd0fOvmrQEng by radvon@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T16:55:46Z
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@john awesome! Protocols for the win
(DIR) Post #APtxGkExx0JzsmxX5U by mike@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:58:16Z
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@john Interesting. The smart play would be to make each subreddit its own account, and then you could block some but not others.
(DIR) Post #APtxPkJt1boMjdYLE8 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T16:59:51Z
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@mike Yes, they could do it with subdomains (they don't do that already do they?).
(DIR) Post #APtxVGduHD2IQlY9ui by mike@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:00:53Z
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@john Not that I know of, but now you suggest it, it seems very obvious.
(DIR) Post #APtxfZQXI91VaLD0Hw by mike@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:02:48Z
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@john I mean, SV-POW! is the obvious next move (by which of course I mean wordpress.com-hosted sites in general).
(DIR) Post #APtxpBE47rBHQFxSb2 by kir@clj.social
2022-11-23T17:04:33Z
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@john Elon then will tell that it was his original plan :D
(DIR) Post #APtxt5AuZ4RxoYLMHI by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:05:03Z
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@mike There's a plugin apparently, but I don't know anything about it https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/
(DIR) Post #APtxuiabVa0wLU8nqa by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:05:35Z
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@kir Honestly, it almost feels like that, right?
(DIR) Post #APtxwYN4TEvTEWgba4 by ganjamama@universeodon.com
2022-11-23T17:05:48Z
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@john bring it on!
(DIR) Post #APty4h91jckolD01Im by mike@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:07:22Z
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@john Yes, but wordpress.org is about the software which you can host for yourself. I use wordpress.com, where they host your blog for you. That's where I need this facility. (I'm guessing it will come soonish.)
(DIR) Post #APty7Otw1IVL33EL6O by futurebird@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:07:47Z
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@john Connect all LANS!!!Remember when people used to have tee shirts and bumper stickers with that?
(DIR) Post #APtyAbCuirKm5FdIAq by kir@clj.social
2022-11-23T17:08:31Z
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@john Hard to really believe though
(DIR) Post #APtygIZBZ1iZXMAKCO by joe@toot.works
2022-11-23T17:14:15Z
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@john As someone who actively uses both #Tumblr and #Flickr, I'm kind of excited about that.
(DIR) Post #APtym9piwldSBlh9sG by katrinatransfem@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T17:15:18Z
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@john Wouldn't Flikr be a Pixelfed instance? That is to Instagram what Mastodon is to Twitter.
(DIR) Post #APtyxvm52iTS3rbYXo by davidfm@mastodon.online
2022-11-23T17:17:27Z
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@john there is also something going on with WordPress, I think
(DIR) Post #APtzITVTKyB4THdHX6 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:21:05Z
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@katrinatransfem I don't think there's any categories like that in the ActivityPub spec, so it would just be it's own thing.
(DIR) Post #APtzWsQNURhvo57K4W by yohtzee@dice.camp
2022-11-23T17:23:45Z
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@john Wow, it would be colossal! :O :O :O 🤘
(DIR) Post #APtzYp5erE1u2rLz4i by wihtlore@thefolklore.cafe
2022-11-23T17:23:49Z
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@john it’s and exciting time and I hope it leaves the bird site and the face site out in the cold.
(DIR) Post #APtzaDFYWB2xGSe6RU by catboy@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T17:24:22Z
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@john do you have any idea of when tumblr is planning to add it? I can't find any information on it online...
(DIR) Post #APtzenIuPaTcF6On68 by deepthinking@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T17:25:12Z
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@john I do hope Flickr does come on board. I recognize my impact on the server instance (in terms of storage) of posting a photo but if I could boost the photo I post on my paid Flickr account it would be vastly better in terms of doing my part keep the strain on the server lower. Same applies in relation to Tumblr.
(DIR) Post #APtzsvwZ5QhZ5lgpWq by brutusbelfast@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T17:27:44Z
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@john I'm glad I've found a place that shares my love of protocols.
(DIR) Post #APu00S5twx3ipfdrmK by edendestroyer@masto.ai
2022-11-23T17:28:53Z
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@john @mbrmark id rather instagram not join the fediverse. I cant handle the cringe, but the amount of amazing artists that instagram has? Pixelfed could gain a lot by having them here :3
(DIR) Post #APu01gF4pjYZ08WGdE by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:28:57Z
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@catboy Twitter link incoming: https://twitter.com/photomatt/status/1594577983028740096That's the CEO of Automattic (Tumblr's parent company). No specific timeline.
(DIR) Post #APu05UoLHBzahqplMe by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:29:59Z
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@edendestroyer @mbrmark Me too. I'd rather the megacops stayed out. I don't have a problem with Automattic or SmugMug.
(DIR) Post #APu0BZbcMWoxJYmQN6 by brianmmdev@fosstodon.org
2022-11-23T17:31:03Z
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@john it’s interesting that the changes on own social platform triggered this openness from several others. I’m hoping this is a true sign of change and not just a blip.
(DIR) Post #APu0V8JTXs3ISYcZ04 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:34:38Z
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@kromonos I have no problem with other instances not wanting to be part of it (that's the power of federation!) but I'm certainly going to stay federated to Tumblr, unless it brings some sort of massive problem.
(DIR) Post #APu0YhP7XAskA3xgyu by catboy@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T17:35:17Z
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@john Thank you very much!
(DIR) Post #APu0bAVSItrL016Pb6 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:35:45Z
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@brianmmdev Yeah, I feel like just the current Fediverse+Tumblr is big enough to be self-sustaining. So I'm optimistic.
(DIR) Post #APu0iyxB8ncTU9nO0O by pammystarr@twit.social
2022-11-23T17:35:24Z
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@katedegerdon @john I assume more activity means more instances. It seems every busy celebrity needs their own, for instance. Businesses will pop up that specialize in running your Mastodon servers, etc.
(DIR) Post #APu0izZop8WnPzsFEW by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:37:06Z
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@pammystarr @katedegerdon Possibly, (and I hope so) but there's also the possibility that a lot of celebrities will just join Tumblr. Which would be okay, but not ideal.
(DIR) Post #APu1nXNlB4TlNPxsGm by elzzon@vmst.io
2022-11-23T17:49:04Z
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I've been a paid #Flickr user since Sept 2005, and I *really* hope #ActivityPub support happens.I've always liked Flickr, but the community suffered greatly under #Yahoo's ownership, and right now it feels pretty…empty. Sure, I can (and do) post photos there, but few people see them vs my #Instagram posts; I've been treating it mostly as an archive, TBH.Being able to share photos (sets/albums?) via ActivityPub would go a long way towards making Flickr relevant again.
(DIR) Post #APu1pwViioNbtFpprc by Whiskeyomega@cupoftea.social
2022-11-23T17:49:36Z
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@john flickrs servers already struggle with the current load. I try to support them. Not sure how it will affect their pro sub but I cant see it handling the extra traffic on its current model
(DIR) Post #APu2RoN3QwaXeJq4LA by blogmywiki@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T17:56:25Z
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@john Would be VERY interested if Flickr joins!
(DIR) Post #APu2b8Vtuf6Oj8QINM by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T17:58:08Z
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@kir
(DIR) Post #APu3J67MBLD82PuBaC by u0421793@mastodon.cloud
2022-11-23T18:06:05Z
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@john Excellent!A while ago I renewed my Flickr Pro sub and have been posting my photos (mostly iPhone 12 Mini) and actively trying to pester everyone to come back and discuss things in the group discussions – all the discussion areas stopped dead a few years ago about the same time, but we can revive them, we have the technologleogolgly Here’s one of this morning’s pics, so you can all find me on Flickr and chat and stuff:https://flic.kr/p/2o1Ry8M
(DIR) Post #APu3KOWHFWgBOsBDX6 by kadin@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-23T18:00:08Z
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@pammystarr @katedegerdon @john That already exists: https://masto.host offers managed Mastodon hosting ($40/mo for ~500 users, seems a bit high but not unreasonable to me), but right now they are so swamped they're not taking new subscriptions. Heck of a problem to have as a business.I do have some questions about how well Mastodon (the mainline server) scales, and if there are opportunities for optimization that could make managed hosting cheaper per user.
(DIR) Post #APu3KPC6k08jUbkcjY by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:06:07Z
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@kadin @pammystarr @katedegerdon Other implementations of ActivityPub are more efficient, so I understand. Pleroma for one.Still, I think masto.host offers a good deal, and their support is top-notch.Toot.io also offers managed hosting, but it's starts pretty high: https://toot.io/mastodon_hosting.html
(DIR) Post #APu3Lc1kVvPxaCTuV6 by rodroidrx@mas.to
2022-11-23T18:06:19Z
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@john Future Breaking News headline: Twitter 2.0 implements ActivityPub protocol. Joins #Fediverse
(DIR) Post #APu3SRzGF1MQTGZuUK by laudy88@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T18:07:46Z
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@john Flickr? Damn, haven't heard anything about that in ages.
(DIR) Post #APu3V4b7etu6nbXQzg by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:08:17Z
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@laudy88 The 2000s internet is back, baby!
(DIR) Post #APu3d46RNm4la4zw24 by gabbothefox@mastodon.world
2022-11-23T18:09:39Z
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@john Is necessary to link either of these platforms to Mastodon or are they gonna make their fediverse?
(DIR) Post #APu3r9LsfC9Dulw5nk by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-11-23T18:12:05Z
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@john Yep! I am going to see if SoundCloud & Vimeo will consider embracing ActivityPub as well (I actively use both).
(DIR) Post #APu3xb04mSNZOyoKLg by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:13:22Z
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@gabbothefox It will work like any inter-instance connection. Follow someone at Tumblr by sticking their handle (e.g. @johnconway@tumblr.com) in the searchbox at mastodon.world, click follow, and done: you're following them.It should be virtually seamless.
(DIR) Post #APu41Epx7oZBp1oQwi by yamblaza@dice.camp
2022-11-23T18:13:24Z
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@john it’s seriously pretty exciting stuff
(DIR) Post #APu42jxys7FOerHes4 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:14:06Z
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@darnell Yeah, good ones. It's would be great to have them both in.
(DIR) Post #APu4QcQWYVTADy1Lpw by rsalas@hachyderm.io
2022-11-23T18:18:39Z
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@john @kadin @pammystarr @katedegerdon I think Pleroma is the way to go. Its Elixir-based scalable architecture, design and compatibility surpasses Mastodon, but it does need more love on the web UI side of things.The Metatext app connects seamlessly to it as well as Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #APu4o7SLM5eH7X4sSG by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:22:51Z
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@rsalas @kadin @pammystarr @katedegerdon Pleroma's web-facing aspect could do with some work, yes. But also, is there a reason Pleroma seems to be run by mostly trollish dickheads?
(DIR) Post #APu4xTlBnbLitwM7M0 by crashexorcist@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T18:24:31Z
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@john Doesn't this mean yahoo/tumblr/flickr will take mastodon data and sell it to their advertisers?
(DIR) Post #APu53ARuVefskN3CoS by chemoelectric@masto.ai
2022-11-23T18:25:35Z
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@john Oh, that would be good. #Flickr is where I host my scans of #typeSpecimens, and to have them here on the fediverse would be nice.But it makes sense, as well. Flickr is a platform that gains from maximum reachability.
(DIR) Post #APu57PRIibSOOdmvsO by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:26:24Z
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@crashexorcist It's a risk, but they can do that anyway (through scraping). Yahoo isn't in the mix by the way. It doesn't won either Tumblr or Flickr.
(DIR) Post #APu5J7ZCzf9uRP4Uzo by tomat0@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T18:28:25Z
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@john @rsalas @kadin @pammystarr @katedegerdon Just a different culture. Mastodon very much has a left-wing slant, so those on the Fedi without that slant tend to set up Pleroma instances. But there's nothing inherent about the technology that makes it that way.
(DIR) Post #APu5LX6h0VTaEOsqNE by GeoDon@mapstodon.space
2022-11-23T18:28:57Z
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@john Ooh. #flickr Yes.
(DIR) Post #APu5NnQ1Kc7dOt0Fw8 by tomat0@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T18:29:22Z
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@john @rsalas @kadin @pammystarr @katedegerdon Just a different culture. Mastodon very much has a left-wing slant, so those on the Fedi without that slant tend to set up Pleroma instances. But there's nothing inherent about the technology that makes it that way.The beauty of the Fediverse is complete free association. If you feel underrepresented, start your own instance. If you don't want to interact with a community, block that instance.
(DIR) Post #APu5pfa24IsVCKyeRs by ALoiteringFlaneur@zirk.us
2022-11-23T18:30:42Z
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@raantuva @john they don't owned by Yahoo! for a long time. Flickr was redeemed by SmugMug, and Tumblr is now owned by Automattic (creators of WordPress).
(DIR) Post #APu5pif6btickwNFGy by ALoiteringFlaneur@zirk.us
2022-11-23T18:33:27Z
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@raantuva @john oh, I saw you cleared the quotation of owning after I toot about myself. Sorry!
(DIR) Post #APu5plfZQcsC5Fc9ui by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:34:20Z
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@ALoiteringFlaneur @raantuva Too late! Banned and defederated for you!
(DIR) Post #APu5ylH4GcpLSqRTBw by Laz1985@pettingzoo.co
2022-11-23T18:36:00Z
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@john I'm not sure the Tumblrites are ready for that. I'm not.
(DIR) Post #APu6I23w4bN32AUM88 by Dusty@witches.live
2022-11-23T18:39:26Z
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@john Huge if true
(DIR) Post #APu6JJqvPoUwUz15xQ by ALoiteringFlaneur@zirk.us
2022-11-23T18:39:31Z
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@john @raantuva Anyway, that's a good news. Time to remember how to log in to Flickr. Didn't do it for ages!
(DIR) Post #APu6gSYREDMW9CP5s0 by SiegePerilous@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-23T18:43:54Z
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@john I don’t currently use Tumblr or Flickr but this way of collaboration excites me greatly.. great stuff #technology #fediverse
(DIR) Post #APu7bxHLfUx7wYpHg8 by jamiegc@eightpoint.app
2022-11-23T18:54:14Z
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@john my hope is some of the awfulness from other sites won't spill out onto here. Didn't know Flickr was still around.
(DIR) Post #APu7ineNrhJQ6mrfRw by blogan@pdx.social
2022-11-23T18:55:33Z
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@john Very cool! It reminds me a lot of FriendFeed, where we could aggregate content from a lot of places and continue the conversation in one place. Similar to FriendFeed, Mastodon has a great ability to filter content.
(DIR) Post #APu7kPMn7eerNBP1ua by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T18:55:35Z
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@jamiegc tumblr certainly seem alright at the moment. I think it’s a good fit culturally.
(DIR) Post #APu8OBlB8BQ4kvmKI4 by squeevening@supernatural.fans
2022-11-23T19:02:56Z
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@john Holy Shit!!! 🥰🥰🥰
(DIR) Post #APu92eG4auLGj1WPdw by Zeugs@social.cologne
2022-11-23T19:10:07Z
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@john @coty what will that do to the activity of the Fediverse? Will it create more traffic and computation for all other instances just from being in the fediverse?
(DIR) Post #APu9CSoU09867oITgm by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:12:05Z
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@coty @Zeugs as people follow/get rolled by more people, the server load goes up. But that’s the whole point so I don’t think we should worry about it. Tumblr will take the majority of the load.
(DIR) Post #APu9MwLv1uV2dRvqPQ by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:14:00Z
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@dch Tumblr is a best case scenario in this regard. They haven't fucked up Wordpress, right?
(DIR) Post #APu9jJvK4dx06uACem by SimonRoyHughes@thefolklore.cafe
2022-11-23T19:17:54Z
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@john @arpcomics The #FediVerse is single-handedly resurrecting Web 2.0.
(DIR) Post #APu9zPawkue6KiJ1SC by Zeugs@social.cologne
2022-11-23T19:20:56Z
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@john @coty whats with the federated browsing section? By the number of users on tumblr it will be flooded by Tumblr, right?
(DIR) Post #APuA1hAcNjxXQB5088 by pammystarr@twit.social
2022-11-23T19:21:06Z
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@john LOL
(DIR) Post #APuA4DUtA6rmGDlONs by Humgbrd111@newsie.social
2022-11-23T19:21:47Z
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@john just keep Twitter off please #twittermigration
(DIR) Post #APuADHtSBcRkV9ZwhM by LillyHerself@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T19:23:25Z
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@john Flickr is a paid-for service and it is owned by a commercial company. How will that mesh with the Fediverse's concept?
(DIR) Post #APuAFUP2eCWTsVP5oe by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:23:38Z
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@Zeugs @coty No, the federated timeline is just the people everyone on your instance follows + their boosts.* It's a tiny part of the Fediverse, and will be essentially unaffected.* There is an exception on some servers, which run relays.
(DIR) Post #APuATzugI109ey7YRc by ARTplurality@universeodon.com
2022-11-23T19:26:25Z
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@john Yes, it sounds good. Finally an end to being torn between platforms and hopefully we find our way to protect ourselves from the flood of content by those who want to manipulate us. I just like to hope for better things... we only social media that supports our deepest values as humanity, and the good crowd could do so much to protect everyone from abuse, to achieve more as descendants of the enlightment movement. Ah, I just like to hope... but they already flooding us here, too...
(DIR) Post #APuAVhUnjhHd7OpNp2 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:26:30Z
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@LillyHerself Personally, I don't think it's a problem. The Fediverse provides the options without locking anyone in, is people prefer a commercial option, fine? And let's not get too starry eyed about how instances are run, they need money too. Paid-for is an okay model in my opinion.
(DIR) Post #APuAlXtvB2rdzg8JJQ by NoelleSaysNoGOP@universeodon.com
2022-11-23T19:29:36Z
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@john great news
(DIR) Post #APuAy6ai1fMf3g8T1E by jane_cates@twit.social
2022-11-23T19:31:53Z
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@john @MikeElgan More information on ActivityPub implementation!
(DIR) Post #APuAziAbnFu9tgh2Dg by belmikey@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T19:32:08Z
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@john On the one hand, I sort of feel the way I felt when AOL joined USENET. Yes, it's how things ought to work, but man, what a cultural mess that was.On the other hand, I'm only a recent immigrant to Mastodon myself...
(DIR) Post #APuB8MmOgyc8A6UmXI by bocan@mastodon.cloudcauldron.io
2022-11-23T19:33:39Z
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@john Does anyone still use Tumblr or Flickr any more though? They both mismanaged themselves out of relevance.
(DIR) Post #APuBGnpK10i8Mct0Cm by LillyHerself@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T19:31:20Z
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@john I'm on Flickr and have no problem with paid services. I just wondered if it was "against the rules" or something like that. Back when Flickr was free, it was much more of a social site, I had many great convos there around my own and other people's photographs. Many just use it for storage now. Rather sad.
(DIR) Post #APuBGoFYRTh7fz9x5s by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:35:09Z
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@LillyHerself No, I think the idea of the Fediverse is free as in speech, not free as in beer. Having paid-for instances in the mix is a good idea in my opinion.It's not like everyone will go that route.
(DIR) Post #APuBNW62KpGFOvuE0u by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:36:28Z
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@bocan Tumblr is huge and very active right now. I think the flood there might have been bigger (though quieter) than into Mastodon.Tumblr is under good management now.
(DIR) Post #APuBPI91B90Qi299vs by kerricleaver@mastodon.nz
2022-11-23T19:36:22Z
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@john and all those people out of jobs at twitter will have job opportunities… win win
(DIR) Post #APuBZcb9zDnH2eEfeS by wolverine_mo@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-23T19:38:42Z
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@john Any links re: tumblr announcing this???
(DIR) Post #APuBopeHkPbjrPwywa by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:41:28Z
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@wolverine_mo Here's the CEO of Automattic (Tumblr's parent company) promising it (it's not an isolated tweet either): https://twitter.com/photomatt/status/1594577983028740096?s=20&t=47uySTuOVkGnoBpVO5_itA
(DIR) Post #APuBqXhTS18qm0G1dA by wolverine_mo@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-23T19:41:43Z
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@john Woohoo amazing!!!
(DIR) Post #APuBtdApYb74cMSfPE by sydneyfalk@elekk.xyz
2022-11-23T19:41:09Z
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@john why the hell would I care that the fed is being partially hollowed into a tunnel for desperate corporate overlords to advertise to people fleeing advertising?(rhetorical. not looking for discussion. just gonna delete upon engagement)
(DIR) Post #APuC1EleBNQHEwJDgO by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:43:42Z
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@sydneyfalk Nice interaction.
(DIR) Post #APuCFolZ8YUywTDv3w by chrisdocstrange@ravenation.club
2022-11-23T19:46:16Z
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@john big fan of Tumblr and Flickr back in the day, I wanna see this work.
(DIR) Post #APuCMdlWR4nqqpSMDo by tony@toot.hoyle.me.uk
2022-11-23T19:47:31Z
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@john Or it means loads of people join Tumblr because they get mastodon for 'free' and in 6 months Tumblr pulls the rug..
(DIR) Post #APuCVO567QVaoUmdyy by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:49:08Z
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@tony Could be. Of course for a lot of people, their local instance could disappear anyway.
(DIR) Post #APuCZR7EmKMNNoiOfI by mikelittle@mastodon.online
2022-11-23T19:49:41Z
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@john @mike the plugin just works. I installed it on a test site a couple of days ago. I was able to follow the user on the WordPress site from my masto account. And publishing posts and pages showed up on the timeline here. Replying from mastodon showed up as a comment on the blog. It's not perfect, alt text on images doesn't come over, but it's a good start.
(DIR) Post #APuCbzKqWR7u5mIUoS by amino@fediverse.omaramin.me
2022-11-23T19:47:54.792499Z
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@john both #flickr and #tumblr are profit making entities I believe so I assume they will want to monetize the investment into #activitypub somehow. I'm hoping this doesn't mean insanity like "sponsored toots"
(DIR) Post #APuCbzvMKgKjv1Nej2 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:50:21Z
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@amino I don't see how that could work.
(DIR) Post #APuCeFgIidTRMrPbgu by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:50:46Z
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@mikelittle @mike That's pretty neat.
(DIR) Post #APuCs2GfO1zjowzhwG by sydneyfalk@elekk.xyz
2022-11-23T19:51:51Z
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@john the most exciting thing for me about masto was the lack of corporations. the idea of talking to people, not influencers and important people.I’m glad you’re important people and enjoy it. I am not and want nothing to do with people who are any longer.be well, but we don’t need to talk.
(DIR) Post #APuDEXiZ8YCDjRmBbE by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T19:57:19Z
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@sydneyfalk Great thing is you can defed and not have anything to do with any of this, right? Also, when someone comes up to me and says I've got something to say to you and then I'm walking away and ignoring you, it doesn't feel like a very human interaction, you know? I kinda just feel shouted at.
(DIR) Post #APuDobPks1k1ccAjiK by aquarius@queer.party
2022-11-23T20:03:47Z
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@john my question is how #Tumblr posts will appear on other #Fediverse readers. Tumblr’s most salient feature is quote-blogging in a descending orientation, which No Fediverse apps currently have as a feature (#Misskey has quote-blogging but only in an ascending direction). #reblogging #quoteblogging
(DIR) Post #APuDulNqiZC8HKDbmK by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T20:04:55Z
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@aquarius Yes, I have technical questions too. In fact I thought it unlikely they'd do it for this very reason.
(DIR) Post #APuDywgadd4wURyjRo by DonWeaver@mastodon.online
2022-11-23T20:05:39Z
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@john Also see that #WordPress now has an #ActivityPub plugin.
(DIR) Post #APuEMPigrCIJCJ9SE4 by kadin@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-23T20:09:54Z
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@john This is Reddit gossip so take it with a *very* large chunk of salt, but there are claims that:> The founder of Pleroma, Lain, programed Pleroma to be harder to block from other instances than a comparable Mastodon Instance. Those blocked Pleroma instance Admins tell me their posts sometimes get through to the Mastodon servers.Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_rebased_fork_vs_akkoma_fork/I don't know what that means from a technical perspective, though. How is an instance "hard to block"? 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #APuEQGf4TgPQGIIRGa by hypermug1@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T20:10:33Z
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@john Flickr is still a thing?
(DIR) Post #APuEf57reItspQpOb2 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T20:13:20Z
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@kadin Hmm, yeah, I can't see how that could be done technically. But... maybe?
(DIR) Post #APuEnCwGU75dNPHFUO by sirloinstake@mastodon.world
2022-11-23T20:14:46Z
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@john How will it work with #Flickr. I left there and my couple of hundred friends after they started price gouging
(DIR) Post #APuEsyZymlysZxbVSK by f00fc7c8@kind.social
2022-11-23T20:15:31Z
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@john can I get a source on Flickr joining the fediverse and/or using ActivityPub? I can't find news of it anywhere and without knowing where it came from I don't know where I should set my expectations
(DIR) Post #APuFHe4g9w2iDwj75M by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T20:20:16Z
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@f00fc7c8 Yep, they are considering it according to this Tweet by the CEO https://twitter.com/DonMacAskill/status/1594945727255699457
(DIR) Post #APuFcPQ7q0uWr9euh6 by aka_andy@fosstodon.org
2022-11-23T20:23:55Z
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@john I keep having the thought "why doesn't Google launch a compatible service?".They have the resources and they're okay with building on open source. Maybe just burnt by Google+ (and the other products they killed along the way). Note: not saying this would be a good thing to happen!
(DIR) Post #APuG3wl3zsve4PaEoy by johnlorimer@aus.social
2022-11-23T20:28:58Z
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@john wow, this is very interesting.
(DIR) Post #APuGgQwwC698iBUPaa by Brekekekiwi@mastodon.nz
2022-11-23T20:35:57Z
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@john It makes me feel like how I used to pull RSS feeds from blogs and sites I liked and plugged them into my LiveJournal friendslist, so I went to my thing and got all the updates I wanted to see from everywhere.
(DIR) Post #APuGqYh2G6ZZcisZzU by JasonFink_photography@universeodon.com
2022-11-23T20:37:46Z
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@john Flickr would def be a great addition.
(DIR) Post #APuGvMeWS7d3jDzmRk by nus@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T20:38:39Z
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@john it's a realization of web 2.0 the way it was supposed to be. Services interacting for public good. A rarity.
(DIR) Post #APuHQydZHDSmVqch4i by Mre@mindly.social
2022-11-23T20:44:23Z
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@john As bumpy as it might get, and as little as I understand, this sound very significant in. I worked for Pacific NW Bell right after the ATT break up 1984... I often wonder why social media legislation has not/did not require interoperability technologies and look at us now. Wow #mastodon
(DIR) Post #APuHu8fX3fJg1VRn9M by kikeenrique@chaos.social
2022-11-23T20:49:38Z
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@john So, what if twitter do the same.
(DIR) Post #APuI5KvTpIR5DwFKMK by skyfaller@jawns.club
2022-11-23T20:51:40Z
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@john Top reason is that Pleroma had a prominent TERF involved with development for a while, so the Pleroma community self-selected for people who are ok with transphobia. (Discussing this often attracts sea lions who claim that technology is neutral, bemoaning cancel culture.)For people who like the technology but want a community that might enforce a code of conduct, consider the hard fork Akkoma instead: https://coffee-and-dreams.uk/development/2022/06/24/akkoma.html
(DIR) Post #APuILdVYVVPvUItOoS by DaddyScruff@woof.group
2022-11-23T20:54:35Z
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@john I have zero knowledge of what that means. I just hope it doesn’t change my experience here. I don’t like talking down on other sites but Tumblr was not friendly to me in anyway. I’m totally over them.
(DIR) Post #APuJbq3thRU50iFHPc by jguillaumes@mastodont.cat
2022-11-23T21:08:44Z
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@john @pparescasellas This is BIG
(DIR) Post #APuKT9anocZuvq3j3A by redegelde@mastodon.education
2022-11-23T21:18:22Z
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@john so. Again good reason to stay and start using #Mastodon
(DIR) Post #APuM1gMYaCMiMoQMGu by blindscribe@writing.exchange
2022-11-23T21:35:49Z
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@john Also, Dreamwidth said they were gonna add it as well. https://github.com/dreamwidth/dreamwidth/issues/2337
(DIR) Post #APuMPaAlFXVa7OIrdg by faizalr@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T21:40:05Z
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@john Flickr once is a very good service. I don’t know what make they failed to sustain.
(DIR) Post #APuMgnVYvD8kOtF2hM by lovesexy88@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T21:43:08Z
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@john I will love just dig that
(DIR) Post #APuMieeknrp7WhQVUW by paganwolfwitches@witches.live
2022-11-23T21:43:12Z
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@john tumblr used to be the go to place. I welcome it, but so far we have a wonderful community and some people have cliques and shut people out and cancell them. Already Twitter digressed to this. For example someone could make a mistake and they cancelled them. Bullied their followers not to follow. Making them lose numbers, despite any apology all over using a Hashtag
(DIR) Post #APuMtfRaDQ7B9dW8Ho by pejsek@urbanists.social
2022-11-23T21:45:26Z
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@john As long as there is community oversight.
(DIR) Post #APuMxgBvNWXadB6dwu by zoranbee@home.social
2022-11-23T21:46:19Z
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@john I’m having hard time wrapping my head around it - Tumblr is centralized—does it mean they’d open it up and make it federated? Otherwise, they’d be like, say, Gmail, right? They will be able to exchange messages with Mastodon, but would remain centrally controlled. Flickr too. So, beside cross-communications, what are other benefits of it all?
(DIR) Post #APuNWKA5HBNARUlVIW by adaddinsane@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-23T21:52:35Z
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@john @kadin Yeah sounds highly unlikely, TBH.Things just don't work that way. A blocked domain is a blocked domain.
(DIR) Post #APuNoZIhjDHwbkUrFw by adaddinsane@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-23T21:55:51Z
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@john There's a new Drupal plugin module to implement ActivityPub for users (if they want it) so any Drupal site can receive and deliver content to the Fediverse.(Currently only users, which is annoying because I have use-cases for other entities, but it's on the roadmap so eventually.)
(DIR) Post #APuO8ARZr5JlJ6zbGq by Tweetfiction@mastodon.world
2022-11-23T21:59:21Z
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@john that is awesome! A network of social media networks. Soon it won't matter that a jackass owns the bird app!
(DIR) Post #APuOBpadKcRPmvyXOy by robvt54@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T21:59:58Z
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@john I’d like to see university programs like #cooperativeextension join.
(DIR) Post #APuP5cHQ0LLej0aXBI by mgifford@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T22:10:06Z
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@john I'd love to push from #Flickr
(DIR) Post #APuPEUwud5L8ayERDU by kskilesstudio@artisan.chat
2022-11-23T22:11:46Z
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@john I used to love flickr. It might be a good reason to rejoin.
(DIR) Post #APuQsJPB4MQgKU08bA by Marshall@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-23T22:30:06Z
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@john Sounde great! https://sauropods.win/@john/109393971685933043
(DIR) Post #APuRiZfrpGvlqUjDRA by RoelfRenkema@ned.masto.host
2022-11-23T22:39:30Z
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@johnSo what's the problem. Nobody said that about pop3 SMTP IMAP. All protocols everyone started using. The problem is when big fish decide to add there own shit to it like Microsoft or Google. That's why we need easy to use cross-platform packages to give the people their own instances.
(DIR) Post #APuS0ZJnt6ODxEzLzE by idle_h_@musicians.today
2022-11-23T22:42:53Z
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@john recently discovered the Fediverse myself and I am excited for the future of the web
(DIR) Post #APuSPgDFONHsZmtbQu by bastardsheep@aus.social
2022-11-23T22:47:18Z
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@john OMG YES! I would love this. I already use Flickr for my photos. I pondered pixelfed but after creating an account decided just to stick to flickr. I really do hope they do it.
(DIR) Post #APuSbGBdyuczKjfScK by mahmut@mastodon.online
2022-11-23T22:49:28Z
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@john elon musk made a elon musk bir devrim yaptı ve merkezi olmayan sosyal medyayı trend haline getirdi. Bunun için tamamen memnunum. revolution and made trend decenterilized social media. i'm totally glad for that.
(DIR) Post #APuSogmcPMZ1aLMjlA by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T22:51:56Z
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@zoranbee Well, I think the way to look at it is that every instance is "centralised" (I'm a little Elon here at sauropods.win), and Tumblr would just be a huge instance. I don't think it would look any different to any other instance to the rest of the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APuSyHcwnBMmSePunA by nedhamson@activism.openworlds.info
2022-11-23T22:53:37Z
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@john sounds good to me.. a real internet solution
(DIR) Post #APuW204cIYH32Xp5tY by FayeSouthall@mas.to
2022-11-23T23:27:57Z
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@john good news
(DIR) Post #APuY1kTiTqv4a4ZT9s by carmelitequotes@mastodon.online
2022-11-23T23:50:18Z
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@john I'm a premium #wordpress customer and I complained that they limit #activitypub to business customers only and have no sharing option for Mastodon; only FB, Birdsite, #Tumblr & LinkedIn... the happiness engineer sent me an email, saying my prayers were heard. "We're on it." Whatever that means...
(DIR) Post #APuY9XaUIAKGuwSCGm by anthonii@mastodon.social
2022-11-23T23:51:39Z
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@john Source for the Flickr claim?
(DIR) Post #APuYHrSAJcGcqYWpw8 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T23:53:12Z
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@anthonii The CEO of Flickr: https://twitter.com/DonMacAskill/status/1594945727255699457?s=20&t=47uySTuOVkGnoBpVO5_itA
(DIR) Post #APuYYOQ9Vih5j8TCbY by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-23T23:56:13Z
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@belmikey Every instance has the power the power to defederate single nodes, so instances that feel they are being eternal septembered can just turn off Tumblr if they wish. Pretty neat I think.
(DIR) Post #APuZHxfPJUSi4WKm5g by Davejohnson23@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T00:04:26Z
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@john
(DIR) Post #APuZd9SOfmoKigLwEy by UtopianRevolt@union.place
2022-11-24T00:08:16Z
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@john Honestly, the Fediverse and the concept of a decentralized economy is exactly what I've believed that the next-generation of the internet was always gonna be. Web 3.0, or whatever you wanna call it. That being said, sucks that the perception of the decentralization of money has taken a huge hit with crypto scams. I hope we can learn from it and grow.Super happy to see Mastodon get the attention it deserves. Now we gotta tear down Reddit.
(DIR) Post #APua0Hl5yRpF7w87TU by Julieliddellwhitehead@home.social
2022-11-24T00:12:27Z
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@john When you get where #Automattic is in the loop I will be very excited!
(DIR) Post #APua9q4jkpIEAHsAHQ by Azalea@mastodon.world
2022-11-24T00:14:10Z
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@john Ok this is really cool. I have accounts on both those platforms.
(DIR) Post #APuafeeNlfX9ztiTce by Azalea@mastodon.world
2022-11-24T00:19:53Z
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@john As long as there are no ads, I'm ok with it.
(DIR) Post #APub5Xjs5SaU5hd1VY by adamasnemesis@social.adamasnemesis.com
2022-11-24T00:23:58Z
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@john Yay!
(DIR) Post #APuc7NgAYlOtQOKxFI by paulminshall@universeodon.com
2022-11-24T00:36:09Z
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@john since Truth Social was built on a hacked version of the Mastodon code, does that mean they’ll try and muscle in as well?
(DIR) Post #APuc9gjIhXsD5VtyTo by azz710@newsie.social
2022-11-24T00:36:37Z
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@john I was around near the start of The ARPANet and I see this possibility as true to the Internet's initial intent, just as you say. Then, I would describe how the network functions, generally and very often the response was, "Now, why didn't I think of that?" Packet networking was an idea which just clicked. So was The World Wide Web. And if we're lucky, this distributed model will replace for profit social media.
(DIR) Post #APucI3tWSVQlFVfxy4 by mollycule@mstdn.party
2022-11-24T00:38:01Z
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@john Tumblr is suddenly cool again. I'm so here for it
(DIR) Post #APuchZVS42AmWya55M by hochata@emacs.ch
2022-11-24T00:42:46Z
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@john Ufff, that sounds very very cool. Though it will absolutely be a mess at first.
(DIR) Post #APudmfPFeh0qEPfryS by crimson_oracle@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T00:54:47Z
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@john oh wow, I’ve had a flickr for years, haven’t used it, still paying $6 a month for the unlimited plan because I don’t want to lose all my old stuff lol
(DIR) Post #APudvBfTahiebdKHZI by arden@aus.social
2022-11-24T00:56:18Z
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@john throws some really interesting questions about corporations joining the #fediverse as it's traditionally much more community owned and run.
(DIR) Post #APuftzytkxMPykyIvg by Vopo@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T01:18:33Z
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@johnSo long as they don't add dms I guess we'll be okay
(DIR) Post #APug5yAwIPsLqyJOiG by aminah81@mastodon.world
2022-11-24T01:20:43Z
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@john sounds 🙂
(DIR) Post #APugYdVGEYze8aUDb6 by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-24T01:25:58.800090Z
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Agreed 👍Very exciting to hear about Flickr! Is there a link?A rising tide lifts all boats 🚢
(DIR) Post #APuh0BuqOeJygXalbU by kino@fedi.intkos.link
2022-11-24T01:30:51.327Z
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@john@sauropods.win There's not really any "way the internet is supposed to work". The internet can be used in innumerable ways. But I definitely think a movement towards federated content from independent, self-hosted instances is a huge win towards decentralizing the net and healing the internet from how oligarchic it's become.
(DIR) Post #APuhmh0U6WXX0oMEN6 by daphne@fosstodon.org
2022-11-24T01:39:39Z
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@john @rsalas @kadin @pammystarr @katedegerdon just poking around, it seems like there is a fair bit of toxicity floating around and emanating from the Pleroma initiative and forks. It doesn't seem like hitching the Mastodon community's technical fate to that codebase and development community would be very healthy.
(DIR) Post #APui4Vzzlnii5HcwWO by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-24T01:42:56.079998Z
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I invite you test Pleroma for yourself at: mastodon.tech for the “Twitter-like” interface & m.mastodon.tech for the “Mastodon-like” interface that runs over the Pleroma backend.
(DIR) Post #APuirF3JZ6OtiPPkcC by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-24T01:51:44.730660Z
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It can be done and in fact one new Fediverse entry, “Revolver,” being developed by @p claims to be nearly unblockable from Mastodon. Revolver will be released in Alpha in the coming months. Perhaps @p can teach us a little about how Pleroma & Revolver do it?
(DIR) Post #APujGE9w1V5KBVQPUO by Richstjr@mastodon.online
2022-11-23T23:08:13Z
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@skyfaller @john I really wanted to like Pleroma, but its just too dang buggy (even Akkoma) and the interface is just all over the place. I definitely favor Mastodon, Misskey, and Soapbox.
(DIR) Post #APujGEbEO0v3YACD2G by skyfaller@jawns.club
2022-11-23T23:22:05Z
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@Richstjr @john And now I have to get specific, Alex Gleason is a TERF and he's the founder of Soapbox. I cannot recommend Soapbox to anyone, trans rights are human rights and this developer should not be welcome in any community.
(DIR) Post #APujGF0kr7KspK8aoq by piccolbo@hachyderm.io
2022-11-24T00:09:39Z
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@skyfaller @Richstjr @john but didn't Gab run in mastodon for a while? Couldn't i start a progressive server running pleroma? Or is hate hard-coded?
(DIR) Post #APujH2jnyPUF3EalLE by Richstjr@mastodon.online
2022-11-24T00:12:56Z
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@skyfaller @john Well, regardless of how people feel about Gleason, they can't deny that Soapbox is an excellent piece of software. (if a bit too tw*tt*r-like)
(DIR) Post #APujKt27zpYi6yzkwa by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-11-24T01:57:06.908516Z
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@piccolbo @skyfaller @Richstjr @john hate is hardcoded into the mastodon user's DNA. Using pleroma is reason enough for them for permanent action.
(DIR) Post #APujMYIg3IzuO8WvXU by rsalas@hachyderm.io
2022-11-24T01:51:00Z
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@admin @katedegerdon @kadin @john @pammystarr Thanks. I'm setting up a Hetzner VM and going through the install. I have my own domain. I'll give it a try over the holiday here in the US.
(DIR) Post #APujfxZGKg48FwXeuO by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-24T02:00:54.567756Z
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It can be done and in fact one new Fediverse entry, "Revolver," being developed by @p claims to be nearly unblockable from Mastodon. Revolver will be released in Alpha in the coming months:https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/revolver-kickoff.htmlPerhaps @p can teach us a little about how Pleroma & Revolver do it?
(DIR) Post #APujsoszvEPp5wuAoy by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-11-24T02:03:14.976228Z
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Oh God, a sinner wrote software! Watch out! The devil will possess you through Soapbox!!!
(DIR) Post #APujxaBe07cAxCtjLE by polarisera@spinster.xyz
2022-11-24T02:04:07.195816Z
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@skyfaller @Richstjr @john It's a war crime to house males in female prisons. Mastodon has a strange attraction to war crimes and war criminals. See Geneva Convention.
(DIR) Post #APujylMpuwwVv3hCQC by I_am_Stefan@mstdn.social
2022-11-24T02:04:12Z
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@john #Flickr user here and let me say:😁
(DIR) Post #APuk0zwkgPfXiPYpYu by kroner@seal.cafe
2022-11-24T02:04:20.278250Z
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Imagine caring about the thoughts and opinions of the developer of FOSS Software. What fucking pussies lol
(DIR) Post #APuk2L1ZnlqTNPSM6a by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-11-24T02:04:58.692634Z
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These people think their attitude is normal and reasonable too, lmao
(DIR) Post #APuk6LgFIxjaZMOKvY by Xeraser@poa.st
2022-11-24T02:05:42.496298Z
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@skyfaller @Richstjr @john "NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JOIN OUR COMMUNITY OF PEDOPHILES AND GROOMERS"Kill yourself.
(DIR) Post #APuk810L9G0b1VaL32 by gray@normie.cafe
2022-11-24T02:05:59.366707Z
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@piccolbo @skyfaller @Richstjr @john there's no reason you couldn't run a progressive instance on pleroma but unfortunately some people will defederate an instance just for running Pleroma.
(DIR) Post #APukHnb9qZXALBTIZM by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-24T02:07:43.148240Z
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@kroner @balrog_booger @skyfaller @Richstjr @john he's also just a general jackass to his users lol. "if you don't agree with me you're mentally handicapped"
(DIR) Post #APukMVvSypHQyjDdlQ by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-11-24T02:08:36.989865Z
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Who cares? It’s a non issue because you can just block him. Using Soapbox does not mean interacting with Gleason in any way
(DIR) Post #APukPcjQ8JK0xG4FHc by ImperialAgent@mugicha.club
2022-11-24T02:09:11.671433Z
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How many trans women's dicks have you sucked? Or are you not an ally?
(DIR) Post #APukRAlt3kKuohxZSK by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-24T02:09:24.891411Z
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@balrog_booger @skyfaller @Richstjr @john @kroner he used to have commit access on pleroma and devs did have to deal with him.
(DIR) Post #APukYB0QaNqJZU6JNI by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-11-24T02:10:43.355895Z
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What does that have to do with using Soapbox now?
(DIR) Post #APukb7f9TKYk4UYP7Q by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-24T02:11:14.443671Z
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@balrog_booger @skyfaller @Richstjr @john @kroner there's a lot of residual hate for the man
(DIR) Post #APukcdg7vLBzejjVgm by balrog_booger@kabuki.club
2022-11-24T02:11:32.344650Z
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The man != the software. You people are fags
(DIR) Post #APukhh08zsBRPSVPqS by ImperialAgent@mugicha.club
2022-11-24T02:12:27.553344Z
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Yeah I've never met anyone in tech with that attitude. Gleason is a real pathfinder in that regard.
(DIR) Post #APul4Bnz9KLHJiXu4G by MrLee@aus.social
2022-11-24T02:16:23Z
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@john I've not been on Tumblr for few years. It was pretty poorly moderated back then. Is it better now?
(DIR) Post #APuls4wQwVuGVbHp9U by JoeCassara@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-24T02:25:26Z
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@john Yes, yes, yes, and more yes. John, you sound like someone who remembers what we personal computer revolutionaries championed in the late 20th century. Love to be here with folks like you.
(DIR) Post #APum0AjhHZzwnTBjzk by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:26:22.204226Z
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Trans rights are definitely human rights. Trans people are mentally ill sexual deviants. You sir, are a fucking moron and a disgrace to your White ancestors. Go play in traffic.
(DIR) Post #APumEnePOZgvXigpAu by Grumblesock@poa.st
2022-11-24T02:29:38.860976Z
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@skyfaller @Richstjr @john
(DIR) Post #APumTTEfa3oCZPe7Oa by Girlonavespa@mastodon.coffee
2022-11-24T02:32:10Z
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@john excuse such a basic question from a non-techy, but will we be able to interact with Tumblr accounts posts in addition to following them?
(DIR) Post #APumxLzV53h8mxnfVo by Frondeur@poa.st
2022-11-24T02:37:42.053653Z
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@skyfaller @Richstjr @john You should throw yourself off a roof…it’d be better for everyone…
(DIR) Post #APunXeKYN7Ri5oxFho by matty@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:42:25.640943Z
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Why are you and the person you're replying to so fucking gay and retarded
(DIR) Post #APunXek4qDrXMytdUO by penguin@eveningzoo.club
2022-11-24T02:44:15.072049Z
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he looks like he has monkeypox. js 😬
(DIR) Post #APunbmWnprM4fweeLA by matty@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:44:40.059386Z
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MonkeypoxJS? Sounds like an NPM module I could write...
(DIR) Post #APunbn5tjNQaQn4g2i by penguin@eveningzoo.club
2022-11-24T02:44:59.857471Z
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fkn nerds 😒
(DIR) Post #APune6t76olQOqCV6m by matty@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:45:14.762595Z
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I don't want to hear that from you
(DIR) Post #APunhZyBRLZJSpE5MO by penguin@eveningzoo.club
2022-11-24T02:46:02.852499Z
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🤨📢 NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDS
(DIR) Post #APunmoKjSo7XSaGfUO by The_Almighty_Kek@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:46:05.770313Z
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oh shit Pengy, wtf bro…you went total nigger!
(DIR) Post #APunmokFvuXMjkD3Gy by penguin@eveningzoo.club
2022-11-24T02:46:59.401381Z
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Somalian
(DIR) Post #APunpTh6ej3eJl0Mls by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:45:26.609493Z
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>why are you gay and retarded?No context response, childhood molestation.
(DIR) Post #APuoAOTTG5o0D3bI5Q by The_Almighty_Kek@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:51:13.866162Z
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You should at least open your eyes for your profile pics, dude
(DIR) Post #APuoJrohX8ZZot32Aq by penguin@eveningzoo.club
2022-11-24T02:52:57.995855Z
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😑 fine
(DIR) Post #APupt0tvqkWC5Gol1s by mikekiss@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T03:10:19Z
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@john this never could have happened without comrade Elon's clever maneuvering. He identified a social network with critical mass, then shattered it in a way that required a decentralized solution. I will be forever grateful 🥲
(DIR) Post #APur202GXNBJxZZ3Wy by AlabasterBrick@nicecrew.digital
2022-11-24T02:57:02.751157Z
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(DIR) Post #APusidXQ9rZ4aj22DI by skymtf@tech.lgbt
2022-11-24T03:42:09Z
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@john I hope so though this could be EEE
(DIR) Post #APusxOMOs3QTrVueZM by carlrayer@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T03:44:48Z
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@john any timescales for this? I agree, this would be a huge stride forward. Would be good to see a few 3rd parties rolling out rich clients; the early days of twitter’s growth went hand in hand with great clients like Tweetbot - an approach that would accelerate mastodon’s uptake?
(DIR) Post #APuuYQECzN9cK9IoFM by dave@gleasonator.com
2022-11-24T04:02:47.991843Z
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@piccolbo @skyfaller @Richstjr @john There is nothing preventing you from running any type of instance on either pleroma or soapbox. Pick the software stack you like best, and tell anyone that has a problem with it too fuck off.
(DIR) Post #APuuZQGqJg6IkH0mxc by dave@gleasonator.com
2022-11-24T04:03:00.455910Z
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@piccolbo @skyfaller @Richstjr @john *to fuck off
(DIR) Post #APuuqZ98ZOYLCCa920 by pwm@crlf.ninja
2022-11-24T04:06:05.354060Z
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@dave @piccolbo @skyfaller @Richstjr @john AHA you have made a typographical error and thus your entire statement is rendered unintelligible garbage to those of us with a command of the English language!Your shame must be immense, you have embarrassed yourself in public, what a fool!I hope that in the future you will take greater care in writing the material that you post, sir. We decent folk deserve, nay demand, a higher standard from our fellow man.
(DIR) Post #APuwEKNVEIJQITCC6i by maslow@queer.party
2022-11-24T04:21:28Z
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@john I’m actually really excited about #Tumblr implementing #ActivityPub! I’ve been on tumblr for ages with various blogs, and have followed the #Fediverse since 2017 when I started getting interesting in #IndieWeb and other federated protocols like #beakerbrower
(DIR) Post #APv0B2eR54nIGXnwu0 by bilarichfield@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T05:05:39Z
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@john As a PRO user of Flickr, I’m here for this. Hopefully it happens.
(DIR) Post #APv38UJo3eWZ4Hd4r2 by zoranbee@home.social
2022-11-24T05:38:54Z
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@john Thank you John, I think I get it now.
(DIR) Post #APv3JNQC2bhqrYoD1U by bensalinas@mstdn.social
2022-11-24T05:40:50Z
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@john This is great. I’ll be migrating all my data here over to my Tumblr when that happens. I’m more familiar with Tumblr’s UI and culture
(DIR) Post #APv4WMsHUBWoswhmkK by lookitmychicken@blorbo.social
2022-11-24T05:54:23Z
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@john#AO3 oh please oh please oh please
(DIR) Post #APv5c9GL6jWmMOHKd6 by book@sleepy.cafe
2022-11-24T03:07:43.627812Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! 😭😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #APv635c2mnAqrJHFJY by Unatributed@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T06:11:23Z
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@john Curious, do you have a source for the #Flickr rumor?
(DIR) Post #APv6RZV7JVbOVPi9Gi by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2022-11-24T06:16:02.465088Z
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@skyfaller @Richstjr @john Alex Gleason is literally a trans woman. Please be more informed when you level such serious accusations.
(DIR) Post #APv6cbIgxm5HGx9srg by kadin@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-24T06:18:02Z
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@admin @p @john Without access to the code I'm speculating, but from the docs I don't think "un-blockable messages" is how it shakes out.It appears that Revolver has a single, distributed DB with content split across its nodes (strong whiffs of FreeNet!), but at the edges it exposes an ActivityPub-compat LitePub endpoint, to interop with rest of Fedi. It also promises content filtering of what each node propagates.A Masto admin would treat that LitePub endpoint like any other instance.
(DIR) Post #APv71Rm1WMaUxsj3OC by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2022-11-24T06:22:31.450191Z
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@bot @skyfaller @Richstjr @john I think the phrase is necessary to remind us that trans are human beings. Even the most conscientious of us need these repeated corrective devices so that we remember the concept. People are capable of changing their minds with enough correction, right?Trans rights are human rights.Trans are human.
(DIR) Post #APv8yE2ELOn3OXtjFI by Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-24T06:44:20.557513Z
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRGLr9ZKznI
(DIR) Post #APvCVdrHebICu5P4tM by Piss_Ant@spinster.xyz
2022-11-24T07:24:01.118710Z
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@bot @Hollahollara @skyfaller @Richstjr @john Trans furries r furries
(DIR) Post #APvFE9wru9mL4yN48u by hoshisabi@dice.camp
2022-11-24T07:54:19Z
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@john
(DIR) Post #APvINfPgaXur8O4jNQ by planetf1@mastodon.social
2022-11-24T08:29:39Z
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@john Oh that is very interesting...
(DIR) Post #APvIa2OSyRg7siP5Si by RubyJones@smutlandia.com
2022-11-24T08:31:56Z
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@john That's extremely interesting!
(DIR) Post #APvJFy2NYoswX84A0O by v_for_v@kolektiva.social
2022-11-24T08:39:31Z
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@john زن،زندگی،آزادیWoman, life, freedom#مهسا_امینی
(DIR) Post #APvJnPqNCLcGKUOrEe by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-11-24T06:24:59.010877Z
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@bot @Hollahollara @skyfaller @Richstjr @john And furthermore...what ARE "trans rights?" To get their dicks out in front of women and girls in the women's locker room? Please define!
(DIR) Post #APvKkBZLujCb8wSicS by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T08:56:10Z
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@paulminshall they can try turning on federation if they like. They are the ones that turned it off in the first place I believe.
(DIR) Post #APvLihoJAeXQVqJdq4 by enchantedsleeper@fandom.ink
2022-11-24T08:52:55Z
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@dch @john Also, is anyone considering the fact that the entirety of Tumblr's culture is built around quoting and adding onto a post, something you deliberately can't do on Mastodon (or most of the Fediverse). How is that going to go down?It may depend on whether the ActivityPub integration results in a two-way posting situation or just a one-way "subscribe" situation but it still seems like an uneasy match. I'll believe this is happening when it actually does
(DIR) Post #APvLiiEtZnnzqIksHQ by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T09:07:06Z
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@dch @enchantedsleeper I have thought about it, and actually said a few weeks ago it wouldn’t happen for this reason. But they have been thinking about this for a weeks too, and I doubt they’d commit without having some sort of solution. My guess is that they will serialise the whole quote-thread post as a single one.
(DIR) Post #APvMm9869fy043mERE by KnowledgeOoh@mastodon.world
2022-11-24T09:18:55Z
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@john This is starting out good, but don't fret, when the darkness comes to the fedi. Just gonna have to expose it alot faster then b4.
(DIR) Post #APvMpaLFRC2vKWZF0S by redthunder@toot.community
2022-11-24T09:19:33Z
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@john I thought Flickr was dead. But good show though. The return if the UseNet.#usenet
(DIR) Post #APvNHbITTmvGOvd3L6 by erinfulmer@wandering.shop
2022-11-24T09:24:36Z
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@john does this mean I am going to have to decide whether to follow my own Tumblr account? 👀
(DIR) Post #APvO2YatLYJtd1dMh6 by rodlux@maly.io
2022-11-24T09:33:04Z
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@john good news.
(DIR) Post #APvO3dce8YX9VryDEO by enchantedsleeper@fandom.ink
2022-11-24T09:33:08Z
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@john Without attribution?
(DIR) Post #APvPVcLAb2UxbFhX3A by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T09:49:35Z
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@enchantedsleeper with I would think? Handles visible.
(DIR) Post #APvPwaz1kZqzD3CyJ6 by enchantedsleeper@fandom.ink
2022-11-24T09:54:27Z
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@john But you can't interact with the individual reblogs? I'm just trying to understand how that would look on the Fediverse side.
(DIR) Post #APvQDonFer1MxnueEC by tmmj@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T09:57:32Z
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@john A) Adverts, so No.B) Embrace, extend, extinguish, so No, No, NO.Parasites.(If anyone is in any doubt, I don't like the idea and I think it will be a disaster.)
(DIR) Post #APvQZKZug4zVcjvpdw by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T10:01:26Z
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@tmmj the ads stay in Tumblr, not sure how they’d get out. EEE has taken decades to work (if at all) on other open protocols. I’m happy to take the risk.
(DIR) Post #APvQwcd1jXTuGYUhyS by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T10:05:40Z
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@enchantedsleeper you can’t interact with individual reblogs in a thread the tumblr app, unless you click on them and open them individually, right? Links in a serialised post would have the same function.I agree it’s not all that obvious, but the more I look at it, the more I think serialisation can work well enough. Of course if you want the full experience, having a tumblr account would probably work better.
(DIR) Post #APvSkWxpAUYV8BaHcu by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T10:25:54Z
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@erinfulmer Same problem!
(DIR) Post #APvWDz4Q32v8YtPASe by tmmj@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T11:04:48Z
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@john Without thinking about it for more than a few seconds, just including an advertising image in every, or if they're feeling "generous" every n'th message published would enable ads to get out. You can be sure of two things, 1) they're not doing it out of altruistic motives; and 2) they have people way more imaginative than me, who've spent way more time thinking about it than I have, to work out how they can make money out of it.
(DIR) Post #APvWZcjDnNMDdloBjk by enchantedsleeper@fandom.ink
2022-11-24T11:08:44Z
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@john Right; I think it would still be kind of janky as an experience unless you had Tumblr, but that's true of other platforms in the Fediverse. But I'm also thinking about the culture clash and the fact that most of the Fedi doesn't have quote functionality by design. And I think that could potentially be a bigger barrier, not logistically maybe, but to whether there would be any merit to Tumblr being on the Fediverse or whether they'd just be defederated by most instances.
(DIR) Post #APvX4K4dCeDElFSeoK by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T11:14:18Z
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@tmmj No one will follow “tumblr”, they will follow individual accounts. Including ads in individual people’s posts like they put them there would be a pretty insane move (both from user point of view and an advertisers point of view). I really don’t think they’d do it, and it would get them defederated pretty quickly from a lot of places.They make money by monetising Tumblr like they always have. ActivityPub gives them a competitive advantage over other platforms (like Twitter).
(DIR) Post #APvXWBM3DJIdpNtSEK by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T11:19:19Z
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@enchantedsleeper I don’t agree with the no quote-toot decision, and I’m not sure how many instance admin consider it crucial. (I think something else could have been arranged to address concerns.) I won’t defederate based on that, I can tell you that much.
(DIR) Post #APvYDmrjcliecOVQO0 by tmmj@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T11:27:13Z
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@john What I described is what Y! Gropes used to do. A boosted toot can have reach. Put ads in toots from people who are popular. Easy.As for defederating, what are instances going to do when their users complain that they can't see Kardashian toots any more? What happens if they bow to that pressure, or just accept $s directly from tumbler etc.? Sure, defederate. I can set up an instance, something beyond nontechies maybe, and talk to myself, but I don't need AP for that.
(DIR) Post #APvZPzFBWniURCr6Zs by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T11:40:36Z
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@tmmj So kinda like declared influencing? Because submarine influencing is coming to the Fediverse if it gets popular whether we like it or not. And individuals can domain block, so defederation isn’t the only option.
(DIR) Post #APvZn7NFT0DyJTenEe by tmmj@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T11:44:44Z
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@john Then I'll fuck off. You can give it a fancy title if you want, but advertising is advertising.
(DIR) Post #APvZyTpGKcwB8EB6dk by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T11:46:51Z
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@tmmj I was never on Yahoo anything, so I was trying to picture what you meant, hence the question mark.
(DIR) Post #APvad6EqvvYhqlW676 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T11:54:11Z
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@tmmj actually, having thought about this, the Silence option is perfect for this problem. Wanna follow an account that injects advertising? Fine, but it won’t appear on any public timelines.
(DIR) Post #APveazIs9A5PZve4Po by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T12:38:40Z
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@john > Pleroma's web-facing aspect ... doesn't matter. It's an artifact of a much older 'verse that you can be appreciate for its olde world charm. Or...... you can toss it aside and hook up a Pleroma server to literally any other web app you like, including the default Mastodon web apps themselves, Pinafore, Soapbox, Glitch-lily etc. You could fork and update abandoned ones like Halcyon or Brutaldon if you're into that. Bonfire is coming soon... @rsalas @kadin @pammystarr @katedegerdon
(DIR) Post #APvefS9CqZwWCAFlJ2 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T12:39:25Z
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@badri @tmmj I don't think Tumblr is going to inject ads, just to be clear. Just musing on what can be done about it if they do.
(DIR) Post #APvf1dK3ykd1E0uLcu by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T12:43:26Z
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@badri @tmmj Exactly.
(DIR) Post #APvfrjov48WIR4Bb9s by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T12:52:51Z
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@badri While it's a risk, I think we're probably okay because Tumblr is a poor replacement for Twitter. Discussion is hard, the culture is weird and hilariously unprofessional.I'm hoping at leat one more big player jumps in, which will give the thing more equilibrium.We'll see!
(DIR) Post #APvklCz4jjBgd4dsfI by alechk@mastodon.world
2022-11-24T13:47:41Z
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@john
(DIR) Post #APvpZk5QKuzPaexnkm by BurtOHare@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T14:41:33Z
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@john that’s huge if it happens, an alternative to twitter so desperately needed, with the functionality.
(DIR) Post #APvpgWI21wdCpO5niS by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T14:42:44Z
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@BurtOHare That's Mastodon, isn't it?
(DIR) Post #APvqfurlGqfciM54oS by BurtOHare@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T14:53:52Z
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@john Yes?
(DIR) Post #APvqoE6RdHQ4h1uZhQ by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T14:55:22Z
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@BurtOHare Sorry, I thought you were referring to Tumblr being that alternative.
(DIR) Post #APvsEddFRFNDLyPfHc by BurtOHare@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T15:10:46Z
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@john No, but perhaps a good idea if forces joined?
(DIR) Post #APvsGVABtb3VfRi664 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T15:11:41Z
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@BurtOHare Yes indeed. I thinks so.
(DIR) Post #APvsTGl4lTYgku3DuK by BurtOHare@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-24T15:13:59Z
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@john & servers use? Will it dramatically alter an ethos?
(DIR) Post #APvtSruhElR9eevKc4 by uncommondepth@mstdn.ca
2022-11-24T15:24:21Z
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@john Being a non-techie, I have no idea how this all works, but find it pretty cool. Especially since I use Flickr (still) and have a very neglect Tumblr. If I could post once and have it all be connected…..🤯
(DIR) Post #APvu9BS2zBegPfhVGC by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-24T15:32:38Z
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@uncommondepth Like a lot of these computery things, it's actually pretty simple in theory. ActivityPub is just an agreement what format messages to other computers in (it's just text too, you can read it easily enough).Of course in real life it's pretty complex and will break your head if you try to nut it all out.
(DIR) Post #APvxypRoLA9R5euMU4 by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2022-11-24T16:15:55.654803Z
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@bot @skyfaller @Richstjr @john Yeah, I think furries are actually animals! Thanksgiving is a dangerous holiday for those in our furry communities.
(DIR) Post #APw7bq60lLNXyyO6yW by kweerious@hachyderm.io
2022-11-24T18:03:36Z
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@john Web 2.0 with that last gasp grab on Web3's hand because they failed to double tap the killer.
(DIR) Post #APwKvtaInhfJzvRy76 by fern@mindly.social
2022-11-24T20:32:54Z
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@john @katedegerdon not sure if this is the case with other IaaS providers, but #GCP only charges for egress. So hosts living within GCP wouldn’t see an increase in network costs as a result of inbound activity from Tumblr.That said, I’ve not yet set up my own server, so I have no idea what kind of compute/storage ramifications there might be. I’d love to see a breakdown of a server’s project costs of anybody felt like sharing what it looks like to host a server and a DB.
(DIR) Post #APwMWX23iEIIioSyqu by kadin@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-24T20:50:50Z
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@strypey @john @rsalas @pammystarr @katedegerdon Good point, and this is probably the right choice in terms of architecture. The web UI should ideally be just like any other client (iOS native, Android native, desktop, whatever), using the same APIs, potentially not even running on the same server. Keep the frontend, backend, and database/storage cleanly separated from each other.#Mastodon #Pleroma #architecture
(DIR) Post #APwnV41olC2nEysVjE by mattig89ch@noc.social
2022-11-25T01:52:54Z
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@john woo! Now we just need to make it more privacy focused too, and we made some major leaps foward.
(DIR) Post #APwwP1FX4tXATLUAfg by WodahsEht@waytoomuch.info
2022-11-25T03:32:46Z
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@john beware the tactic of "embrace, extend, enclose, and extinguish". Basically, the Microsoft and Google method. Embrace - implement the tech on your platformExtend - Add "enhancements" that become must-havesEnclose - Begin removing competitionExtinguish - Kill the service once you have a proprietary replacement. Or just kill it.
(DIR) Post #APwx3CiNrxilcB8sym by rebootkid@infosec.exchange
2022-11-25T03:39:59Z
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@john That would be truly wonderful to see!Got any articles I read up about this?
(DIR) Post #APwxgQIbIW9H2TmdRA by thebeehammer@infosec.exchange
2022-11-25T03:47:08Z
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@john this sounds like an amazing step towards a more open web.
(DIR) Post #APx5ZraYEjyXHYYwrI by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-25T05:15:46.753278Z
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@admin @kadin @john I'm not familiar with any claims that it's harder to block Pleroma. Pleroma does get posts from instances that have blocked it, but that's partially because Mastodon deliberately refuses to make it possible to tell whether your instance is blocked or not.The way Revolver does it is that source-based blocking doesn't work on a P2P system.
(DIR) Post #APx7cwHVRfIyc7FUYK by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T05:38:34Z
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@john the thing about this that bugs me is that Flickr already supported independent federation via Atom and RSS feeds, and IMO ActivityPub is not a very good Atom/RSS replacement. Mastodon used to be based on Atom+WebSub, but then switched to ActivityPub not due to any real technical improvement but because it was easier to hack in private posting (badly), rather than working with any of the initiatives that existed to add post privacy to Atom.
(DIR) Post #APx8ZQdWk9QRYRRHI8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-25T05:49:18.942489Z
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@kadin @admin @john > It appears that Revolver has a single, distributed DB with content split across its nodesIf you think about venti plus Kademlia (and then you subtract some of the problems IPFS ran into, though you can optionally use IPFS as a storage backend; it does optimistic fetching of blocks, but their API is kind of a mess), you've probably got most of the design in your head.> (strong whiffs of FreeNet!)I liked the idea but not the execution. I think it could have taken off. I borrowed from Twister a little bit more (when I first got to fedi, I had wanted to build a Twister bridge).> It also promises content filtering of what each node propagates.Indeed. There are two mechanisms for this and a third one planned (we should have had, at minimum, per-user naive Bayes by now), but it is essentially a happy accident of how user-level blocking works. Top-level (that is, user-visible and self-contained) objects are assembled from the slush.> A Masto admin would treat that LitePub endpoint like any other instance.For outgoing posts, sure, they can decline to deliver them to some instances. If you keep following that line, you'll be able to tell why source-based filtering is not going to work. Source-based filtering is already untenable on fedi; existing tools were insufficient when we had just 5k nodes, and we've got (at time of writing, per http://demo.fedilist.com/ ) 17,532 now, well past the point where we're going to be able to do this in a way that doesn't hose the network or bury the admins.:revolvertan: I hope to surprise and delight you. :ocelot:
(DIR) Post #APx9Cwcrk2dy3ryLPE by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-25T05:56:24.258669Z
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Thank you for your reply @p 🙏
(DIR) Post #APx9l7GSh4nMu0msAy by MatrixWyrm@infosec.exchange
2022-11-25T06:02:28Z
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@john @pammystarr @katedegerdon So we pitch it to their vanity. “Reach Tumblr’s audience, but under your own (unique!) name!”
(DIR) Post #APxCXDmHyqBIuZjx9U by Ricotta@yggdrasil.social
2022-11-25T06:33:43.690440Z
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@p @kadin @admin @john How is Revolver going to deal with people posting shit like Cheese Pizza? The impression I'm getting from your explanation so far is that once something gets thrown out onto Revolver, it stays there permanently and nothing can make it go away even moreso than the distributed archival of the current Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APxJqJkqgMnud57T3Q by kobziarz@infosec.exchange
2022-11-25T07:55:26Z
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@john yes yes, like blockchain was supposed to be everywhere
(DIR) Post #APxRjXnQsPc9mjbpDc by c18ah@hcommons.social
2022-11-25T09:23:45Z
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@john presumably there's nothing stopping @Twitter from adopting #ActivityPub?
(DIR) Post #APxZrZyFTWTATl0ifI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-25T10:55:03Z
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@kadin > The web UI should ideally be just like any other client... using the same APIs, The ActivityPub spec actually has a server>client API, but I'm not sure if it's ever been implemented. Mastodon has its own bespoke API, which Pleroma implemented too.> potentially not even running on the same server. I've been using pinafore.social as my web app, which is an instance on Pinafore running on a different server from mastodon.nzoss.nz.@john @rsalas @pammystarr @katedegerdon
(DIR) Post #APy8al58PMYiPbwivY by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-25T17:24:09.384610Z
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Why is Atom superior to ActivityPub?Please will you help a layman understand why no one can agree on a common RSS software?How does ActivityPub compare to RASS-Bridge, Matrix, and Norstr used by Minds?
(DIR) Post #APyA5JHbufxR7vui0W by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T17:31:45Z
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@admin @john The reason I feel that it’s superior is that it’s much simpler to implement (especially in a static hosting context), and the publish vs. subscribe mechanisms are separated. Push is also optional and temporary outages don’t mean a loss of communications overall. Also there are well-established patterns for declaring a feed for a specific resource. And why would one want to agree on a common RSS software? It’s all about having a shared protocol, not a shared implementation.
(DIR) Post #APyA5Jlk6e3odO0lyS by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T17:31:46Z
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@admin @john As far as those other protocols go, I only have a very surface-level understanding of Matrix, and I’ve never heard of those other ones. I’m also not particularly an expert at ActivityPub, and most of my exposure to it is Mastodon which doesn’t even implement it quite correctly per the spec — and now everything that implements ActivityPub is expected to be compatible with Mastodon, which really hampers the use of many of its features.
(DIR) Post #APyA5KJQ5R00JplfSy by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-25T17:40:43Z
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@fluffy @admin I think ActivityPub was developed partly in response to what Mastodon was already doing, so I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, standards are good, on the other hand, sometimes implementation practicalities and moving a little faster are really important.I kinda agree that ActivityPub is a pretty heavyweight solution that probably could have been solved by composing smaller already existing standards, but the ship has sailed.
(DIR) Post #APyA5OEFWbEwSxNaxk by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T17:31:47Z
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@admin @john Anyway what I like about an Atom/RSS/Indieweb approach is that there’s many simple protocols which compose together to form something amazing, and they can be done so in ways which allow the user to pick and choose which things they want to use for their own interaction. People above protocols, protocols above platforms.ActivityPub is “easier” to get started in right now (via Mastodon/Pleroma/etc.) but it also becomes an inescapable gravity well. IMO.
(DIR) Post #APyA5PqvUHlvVCTzt2 by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T17:35:26Z
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@admin @john The one reason Mastodon switched to ActivityPub from OStatus (which IS atom+websub-based) was because they could quickly hack shitty post privacy into the push-based nature of ActivityPub. In the IndieWeb world we have a much better mechanism for that; IndieAuth/TicketAuth grants permissions to message retrieval via bearer token, and this allows for a graceful fallback if the WebSub push fails. The push mechanism is just for reducing latency, not the fundamental method of operation.
(DIR) Post #APyAOjotTRycvokI2i by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T17:44:13Z
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@john @admin Yes, but also the great thing about standards is there’s so many to choose from, and in theory Mastodon could support IndieWeb in addition to ActivityPub. Having multiple subscription types (and support for bearer tokens and adaptive polling) wouldn’t be the worst thing.IMO the most unfortunate things about Mastodon’s implementation from a UX standpoint are their assumptions about post formatting, and their insistence on Webfinger as sole form of identity.
(DIR) Post #APyD3cgB7wKiZCIBGa by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-25T18:14:13.564115Z
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Please can you explain this issue webfinger as a sole form of identity?
(DIR) Post #APyD7AyC5lSpmmPftI by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-25T18:14:54.729383Z
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Thanks for your reply Fluffy.Please can you explain this issue webfinger as a sole form of identity?
(DIR) Post #APyjRS1faJKh0ckb7A by mjgardner@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-25T23:02:17Z
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@john @Julieliddellwhitehead Uh, #Automattic has run #Tumblr for the past three years https://photomatt.tumblr.com/post/186964618222/automattic-tumblr
(DIR) Post #APyjRSXveN8YcfqMOe by Julieliddellwhitehead@home.social
2022-11-26T00:09:58Z
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@mjgardner @john So how does Tumblr interact with Mastodon? Explain it like I'm five.
(DIR) Post #APyjRT2lnho6AKGzT6 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-26T00:16:57Z
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@Julieliddellwhitehead @mjgardner Almost exactly the way Mastodon instances interact with each other, by sending the post of the people that you follow to the server you are on. It's very similar to the way email works. New post on Tumblr by a person that you follow -> gets sent to home.social --> you open your page at home.social or your app, the post is displayed.The process is the same in reverse, if you post something, and somebody on tumblr follows you, it gets sent there.
(DIR) Post #APyjVgAwv0Qo3H6hxA by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T23:55:08Z
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@admin It's inconsistent/difficult to support correctly. It also makes a lot of modes of operation a lot less helpful, like you can't cleanly use it to link to a feed for a specific topic or tag or the like, and it basically tries to distill everything down to an identity at the domain level. Also its mechanism of operation relies on /.well-known which is very obnoxious for a bunch of reasons (especially on a more traditional website).
(DIR) Post #APyjVhq6jSwrDDN5kG by fluffy@plush.city
2022-11-25T23:55:17Z
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@admin oh and it also sucks for static hosting.
(DIR) Post #APyjhyJpHwIbnT7Ya8 by Julieliddellwhitehead@home.social
2022-11-26T00:19:58Z
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@john So how can I post my Wordpress posts directly to mastodon? That's more what I had in mind. RIght now I have them set to post to Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn automatically. Here it looks like I have to post the link myself. Not that that's hard, just an extra step.
(DIR) Post #APyjkEjXEK37HkE45g by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-26T00:20:26Z
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@Julieliddellwhitehead @mjgardner In many ways, it's way simpler than you'd think. It's basically an agreement on a message format. You could read the messages yourself, they're just text. The agreement is around what sorts of information should be sent (author, is this a reply, date, etc.) and what those things should be called.
(DIR) Post #APyju35BP0d22x1wFE by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-26T00:22:10Z
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@Julieliddellwhitehead Yes, there is a Wordpress plugin that used ActivityPub (the protocol Mastodon speaks). I don't have experience with it, but apparently it just works.
(DIR) Post #APyk1r6foRPBDjRxlQ by Julieliddellwhitehead@home.social
2022-11-26T00:23:34Z
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@john Ah! Thanks so much for the insight! I am of two minds just posting my stuff to here automatically--I think I might want to be more intentional here.
(DIR) Post #APykBLw4YntnRQ1JVw by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-26T00:25:16Z
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@Julieliddellwhitehead Yeah, a blog post could look pretty messy here, depending on what's in it, I suppose. Pretty cool though.
(DIR) Post #APyoZJk2ljNlP44nnU by mjgardner@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-26T01:14:25Z
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@john @Julieliddellwhitehead It’s so much bigger than #Tumblr ↔️ #Mastodon https://mastodon.sdf.org/@mjgardner/109407437910893865
(DIR) Post #APz3ee6RzXwtJUYWki by spy604@infosec.exchange
2022-11-26T04:03:14Z
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@john this could be the aol moment
(DIR) Post #APzyvcLzRZbACL3dqK by cosmictentacle@masto.ai
2022-11-25T04:07:25Z
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@badri @john I'm surprised people are still talking about Tumblr. Did they change something there to revamp the site? The last I heard it was popular like 10 years ago or something, but now I'm seeing people talk about it again.
(DIR) Post #APzyvgIEnSyQPrKhY8 by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-26T14:45:13Z
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@cosmictentacle @badri The influx there has been pretty dramatic. Probably as large or larger than Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AQ0W7VPkMokqdd5izY by RoelfRenkema@ned.masto.host
2022-11-26T20:57:08Z
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@john Nextcloud is also working on a 'Social' plugin. But that seems more alpha then beta atm.
(DIR) Post #AQ0XKmcXnz2binyLNg by j@joshua.law
2022-11-26T21:10:42Z
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@john How are they going to handle tags and reblogs? Tumblr users put entire life stories in the tags. Their communication style is extremely meta.
(DIR) Post #AQ0XVYJ9MORQW62HtQ by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-26T21:12:40Z
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@j I’m guessing they will serialise a lot of it into single posts. Incoming posts are not actually character-limited in mastodon.
(DIR) Post #AQ0ZpQLMseK7W3g0ky by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-26T21:38:49.664020Z
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Because #Tumblr is in process of joining #ActivityPub to be connected to Mastodon. An influx of new users & bigger audience in turn draws more new people.
(DIR) Post #AQ2JvgLp4JHdwtlssS by jake@fediverse.jarv.is
2022-11-27T17:49:53Z
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@john we'll know the #fediverse and #ActivityPub have made it to the mainstream when "normal" people don't even realize they're using it 😉