Post APuI9XRNEwR3C9ATAW by ian@phpc.social
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(DIR) Post #APuFBveXtEnX0NmFCi by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-23T20:01:40Z
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Proposed resolution:When Tumblr joins the fediverse by implementing ActivityPub, we should:- Defederate Tumblr if they inject ads into the federation for our users, and- Defederate Tumblr if they place federated posts (our posts) alongside ads.No ads on fedi.#MastoAdmins #mastoadmin #meta
(DIR) Post #APuFBwDHo4aSk81zM0 by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-11-23T20:19:19Z
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@aurynn who cares if they show ads i guessJust makes it more desirable to make an account here instead of there, no?We get tumblr posts on here, they get fedi content over there, users can choose which experience they prefer...Whats the problem?Now injecting ads into fedi, would only work if ads are posted on behalf of usersCourse that'd be bullshit but i don't think they well do it
(DIR) Post #APuFBxIdleSq71XmL2 by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-23T20:13:28Z
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You should boost this post for awareness. We need to protect the fedi.
(DIR) Post #APuFV7flQQqjmlV1Jg by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-11-23T20:22:48Z
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@aurynn why should admins abuse their power to somehow enforce their worldview on other people on other servers making different choicesLike you can just chill instead and point out that *your* server is ad freeAnd Lean back... right?It doesn't inspire confidence in fedi if admins are constantly flexing their precious nuclear buttons jesus
(DIR) Post #APuFgfUW1rHprDk9Bo by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-23T20:24:46Z
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@konni Enforcing boundaries is not an abuse of power, and you are definitely sealioning in my mentions which is not appreciated.Go away.
(DIR) Post #APuGQMq5i0rdKWcsdc by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-11-23T20:33:09Z
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@aurynnUh what is sealioning? Also i just disagree with you... i won't think less of you if you're not swayed lmao, no stress yeah i mean i agree that enforcing boundries is importantyou gotta be aware that you are making choices on behalf of others - and the responsibility that brings with it...Maybe someone has friends on tumblr - and severing that connection because you personally wouldn't use an ad supported platform... nahhBut go ahead i guess - i'm not your boss lmao
(DIR) Post #APuHRKJSgeS5jrNwn2 by robin@uwu.social
2022-11-23T20:15:59Z
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@aurynn Tbh I don't have a problem with Tumblr having ads on their instance along federated posts as long as the ads stay local to their service. If they want to provide a worse fediverse experience than people can find elsewhere I say let them, what would they have to stop people from emigrating from their service?
(DIR) Post #APuI9XRNEwR3C9ATAW by ian@phpc.social
2022-11-23T20:24:22Z
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@robin @aurynn Actually of a similar opinion. Injecting ads into outbound federation is a hard pass, but adding them into their own users' view as an alternative to asking people to donate every five minutes is...just another way to keep the lights on for themselves.My bet is they'd have an ad-free/paid tier too.Basically no different than e.g. Twiterriffic was in 2008, and I had no particular problem with that then.
(DIR) Post #APuI9XxdJ0EuoCGES0 by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-23T20:52:29.716507Z
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@ian @robin @aurynn I agree with you both Ian & Robin. If #Tumblr adds ads on inbound posts so we don't them on their outbound posts, that seems fair. At the same time, I respect the business model Aurynn uses on Island.nz to charge $6/month as it's a permanent connection to the Fediverse that won't go away the way Mastodon.technology & Cyber.space went away due to losing $$.I'm very excited 🤗 about Tumblr joining ActivityPub because a rising tide raises all boats 🚢. The best way to attract more people & free content providers is to have more of an audience for them.
(DIR) Post #APuIkXvUOfZzPqtub2 by y3mz@mastodon.tech
2022-11-23T20:59:11.615577Z
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I like where this is going, as a soon to be admin of Fediverse. it's also the great thing about the protocol. If `insert instance here` starts turning this into some instagram starter-pack, defederate.But I'm with @admin in that the way @aurynn runs their instance is ace. This is a model I'd opt-in to. `For a cup of coffee a day you too can enjoy a trash-free Fediverse`. @admin do you want 6$usd since i'm on your instance?
(DIR) Post #APuJH88nHsTF04f3mS by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-23T21:05:04.287626Z
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@y3mz @aurynn @ian @robinI appreciate your generosity my friend. I will setup a Github donation box tonight and let everyone know it's up tomorrow 😊
(DIR) Post #APubbbDggG4u9ZrOLY by sibbo@mastodon.isibboi.de
2022-11-23T20:08:31Z
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@aurynn in the second case you might even be able to sue in the US. But maybe it helps to extend #ActivityPub with a license field, such that everyone can set theirs posts by default to CC-NC or so
(DIR) Post #APubbbmQb5rptK78Uq by sminnee@mastodon.nz
2022-11-23T20:30:55Z
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@sibbo @aurynn would CC-NC block syndication by paid servers, though?
(DIR) Post #APubbcCJ2sZFBaDnpg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T00:30:20Z
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IANAL but...@sminnee> would CC-NC block syndication by paid servers, though?In theory, they might be opening themselves up to a risk of copyright enforcement action, but it doesn't seem likely.Whether they're in violation depends on how the NC clause is worded in the latest versions of the CC license (or whichever version is used), and how it interacts with copyright law and precedent in the jurisdiction where the legal action is taken.(1/2)@sibbo @aurynn
(DIR) Post #APubxOEnd0hyGFlr96 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T00:34:23Z
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But CC licenses aren't really the right tool for the job. License violation actions are slow and expensive, and they're designed for situations where you can't control the distribution of your content by third parties. In this case, as @aurynn pointed out in her original proposal, we can.(2/2)@sminnee@sibbo
(DIR) Post #APucnYUClmcL6Xqp9M by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T00:43:49Z
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@aurynnInjecting ads into otherwise legitimate posts is just as special case of spam. Being anti-spam is one of the few things pretty much everyone involved with the 'verse agrees on. So I agree with the spirit of the first proposal, although I qualify that by saying I'd silence, not block.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #APucqQLVUXQMj79OIy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T00:44:14Z
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@aurynnInjecting ads into otherwise legitimate posts is just a special case of spam. Being anti-spam is one of the few things pretty much everyone involved with the 'verse agrees on. So I agree with the spirit of the first proposal, although I qualify that by saying I'd silence, not block.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #APudA3OQXVsdKasPJo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T00:47:53Z
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@aurynnI don't support the second proposal. It's not for us to dictate revenue models to other servers. If people on Tumblr are willing to see ads, that's their choice. If they don't want to see ads, and they can still follow their Tumblr friends from elsewhere (assuming Tumblr aren't injecting ads into their user's posts), they can move to another server.If someone proposed blocking your server for charging a subscription, I would oppose that for the same reason.
(DIR) Post #APudXEbuzzVomZEyLw by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-24T00:52:00Z
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@strypey thanks for your thoughts. 🙂
(DIR) Post #APuvo3gefEi108czIW by Icevice@nerdculture.de
2022-11-24T04:16:49Z
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@konni @aurynn I agree. I prefer tumblr posts with ads in my timeline then no tumblr posts at all. All while having other fediverse posts too. Can't we find some compromise before you guys decide everything for everyone?