Post APtoAPAaTjy3CyoU4W by Jingo@smittenkittens.xyz
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(DIR) Post #APtnJFczE0G6Gakcjo by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-23T15:06:55.381977Z
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Final thoughts how to improve #Mastodon from ex-Twitter Designer Jon Bell @gargron “I want to share some thoughts as an ex-Twitter designer and someone who’s been on Mastodon since 2018.1/ I was lucky enough to soak in Twitter’s data for years. So I could see what features people actually responded to, and which we just assumed they’d respond to.Buckle up, I have some interesting news that you, as a Mastodon user, are going to disagree with.People don’t like reverse-chron timelines. (head explodes)Let me explain myself.2/ As a Mastodon user, you’re waaaaaay more likely than the average user to love reverse-chron with no algorithm. It’s one of the main selling points for Mastodon!But it’s not rooted in what we saw in seemingly hundreds of different #designresearch findings.The reason Twitter almost died so many times at the start is that normal people aren’t looking for an IRC or RSS experience. So people joined, got frustrated, and left.It took THREE YEARS to turn users into “healthy users.” That’s bad.3/ Designers love talking about #empathy , but it can be hard to walk the walk. What do you do when literally 97% of your users are saying “I don’t like trying to curate a good timeline, and I don’t like having to scroll to keep up with everything, and I feel like I’m missing out on the good stuff, and I’m confused?”Bad designers say “Deal with it.”Good designers say “Hm. This is a problem to solve.”And that’s where algorithmic timelines, guide, moments, editorial content, etc came from.4/ I remember when we moved from strict reverse-chron (which 97% struggle with) to “You might like” prompts (which 3% struggle with) and hearing from the VERY LOUD minority that we were destroying Twitter.But we saw as the 97% had a much better time. We saw that every step forward we took (I have a whole presentation on this) was helping people more and more.The data told us we were making a better product. And that reverse-chron kinda sucks. For most people.5/ I remember when we added quote tweet, and we have the receipts. It does not increase abuse. (Source: I was the lead designer on the abuse team)You know what increases abuse? Reverse-chron replies without any sorting or algorithm, because someone can say “Kill yourself” as the first response. It becomes a game. It silences people.6/ My team rolled out mute keywords, which people SCREAMED at us about, saying it was killing the concept of “just show me everything” Twitter.Victims of abuse, who aren’t nearly as loud, thanked us quietly.We rolled out “hide replies” which almost caused an internal riot, and was shelved for three years, but eventually it went live.Again, some people said we were killing Twitter. Again, they were wrong.7/ Mastodon is exciting for a ton of reasons. I love it. I want it to succeed. But … have you read Animal Farm?As Mastodon grows up, and tries to reach beyond the early adopters, please listen to your users.They’ll guide you to some features that cannot be optional in a system like this. And, sorry, a lot of them will feel like traditional Twitter.#inconvenienttruthNot because people have baggage, but because humans are going to human and certain things are inevitable. Good luck with everything. I hope sharing some of these opinions and experiences helps the fediverse in some small way.I’m rooting for you.Goodnight.https://social.lot23.com/@jon#mastodon #twitter #ux #design #critique #hashtags
(DIR) Post #APtnXzYfFnsslrl4tc by paul@notnull.click
2022-11-23T15:09:33.181448Z
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@admin @Gargron TL:DR: "Hi, I used to work for Twitter, and I'm here to fix Mastodon"
(DIR) Post #APtnilSk083mEw7mPA by threalist@social.fbxl.net
2022-11-23T15:11:32.932896Z
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"Hi! I spent years helping to create the censorship and information control apparatus that is twitter.You should now take my advice on how to fundamentally alter your decentralized network."
(DIR) Post #APtoAPAaTjy3CyoU4W by Jingo@smittenkittens.xyz
2022-11-23T15:16:32.997464Z
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Why are they so obsessed with forcing it to be Twitter v2?
(DIR) Post #APtoGCNmvwq3HskazQ by paul@notnull.click
2022-11-23T15:17:32.889179Z
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@admin @Gargron Joking aside, I think there's one critical flaw in the entire argument: Unlike Twitter, we have compatible alternatives.Mastodon is popular because it works well, the features are right for the majority of people. Those that don't want different features have found out about Pleroma or Misskey, or any other alternative with features that are more in-tune with what they want and have migrated over. Twitter has not had this, so trying to apply corporate case studies for improvement logic is flawed right from the start.Stop trying to make the Fediverse something it isn't!!!!/rant :blobsmilehappyeyes:
(DIR) Post #APtoMW4AfC4A4YaSps by ghostaf@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-23T15:13:42.941590Z
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@threalist @Gargron @admin yeah fuck that fucking guy
(DIR) Post #APtoa53XsoH0M9lL7Y by william@genderheretics.xyz
2022-11-23T15:20:42.473556Z
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^^ This
(DIR) Post #APtpRVriwALMqsiB9c by krabappel@noagendasocial.com
2022-11-23T15:30:50Z
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@admin @Gargron it would have cost Twitter nothing to enable a setting where you can either let the algorithms choose your content or let you see everything in reverse chron order. But they wouldn’t do that because the platform is meant for 1. Manipulating public discourse, and 2. Serving advertisements (both paid and native ads).
(DIR) Post #APtqUXsW0gijuw5kAa by niels@vrij.social
2022-11-23T15:42:34Z
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@threalist @Gargron @admin rough translation: sticking to reverse chron is 97% effective at preventing the Twitter shit show.
(DIR) Post #APtqwxGVDRGOlHrGXw by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2022-11-23T15:47:42.976543Z
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@admin @Gargron He's acting like Twitter was some sort of success story when it is an intellectual cesspool that loses millions of dollars a day and is openly hated by the unfortunate people still addicted to it.
(DIR) Post #APtrXJKKfTc9bsz9Rw by sufferforme@mstdn.party
2022-11-23T15:50:50Z
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@paul @Gargron @admin I prefer to choose my timeline content, which Mastodon allows me to do better. Particularly for the last few weeks i was still regularly using twitter I was getting fed too much content which was the complete opposite to what I wanted to see, and completely jumbled in terms of when things were posted. Personally I would prefer to start at the top and scroll down, but with one caveat, I want to start from where I left off, not the most recent posts. But maybe that's just me
(DIR) Post #APttomUBi04YsO3N20 by Seller11@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T15:45:44Z
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@Gargron @admin Well, I always set my Twitter timeline to display the latest tweets anyway, so I’m fine.
(DIR) Post #APttstb5DA6Y5cEygK by fulkery1@mas.to
2022-11-23T15:42:47Z
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@admin @Gargron I agree vehemently with everything but the quote tweet. I think that could stay gone and while it may not have seemed to increase abuse, I don't think any good comes of it. I blocked most people who quote tweeted me on that dying site. The rest? Agreed, thoroughly agreed.
(DIR) Post #APtvYnnZGDoaDpcuW0 by TracyRussellBlack@mstdn.social
2022-11-23T16:37:23Z
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@fulkery1 @admin @Gargron I don't miss quote tweets at all. Larger accounts use them to have their followers dogpile someone they disagree with. #TwitterMigration
(DIR) Post #APtxfmz2t9Ltd8SFNo by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-23T17:03:00.650688Z
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Not quite, he’s mostly against Mastodon’s current reverse chronology
(DIR) Post #APu2eR7BD68RHpQwnw by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-23T17:58:48.712907Z
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AFAIK, Twitter shows it in chronological order as replies show below the original
(DIR) Post #APu2zBQoiPxgj8VmxE by dungbeetle@toot.community
2022-11-23T16:57:30Z
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@Gargron @admin @paul I’m conflicted about this because although it would be nice to see toots that are gaining traction, what I’ve really enjoyed in my short experience on mastodon is the flatness of it. It helps me see more unique content from users that don’t have a huge audience. What’s being suggested is making the site stickier which has lead to shitty outcomes on other social platforms.
(DIR) Post #APu2zBx4mTlYLBbYEi by paul@notnull.click
2022-11-23T18:02:31.374017Z
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@dungbeetle @Gargron @admin I don't know, I have issues with the words "traction" and "audience" to be honest, they simply don't sit right with me in this context."audience" gives a vibe of "listen to me, I am your hero", and "traction" sends signals of "hey, don't miss out on this!"Maybe I'm the only one, but the fact those things don't exist here make me think otherwise (ignoring the technical reasons why they don't exist here)
(DIR) Post #APu2zDZkkAIXNQhxA0 by dungbeetle@toot.community
2022-11-23T16:58:17Z
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@Gargron @admin @paul but sure, more “engagement”
(DIR) Post #APu7UTk15eBSJ6fcwa by dungbeetle@toot.community
2022-11-23T18:51:43Z
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@paul @admin @Gargron excuse the corporate jargon, i’m still deprogramming from big social 🙂