Post APtm5ye0xR1zsIL2tk by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
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(DIR) Post #APoNtoM03ezKrzwucC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-21T00:28:36Z
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I know this is a minority view, but...Sending pages of HTML by email is a waste of resources (electricity, bandwidth etc), because HTML pages are many times larger than plain text. The more data is sent over the net, the higher its carbon emissions and overall environmental footprint. Please consider sending your emails as plain text, with a link at the top to an HTML version on your website, for those who want to see it.
(DIR) Post #APoOLusVOW3VDGYT8C by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-21T00:33:36Z
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@strypey If we've doing a waste reduction wish list for email, maybe add stop sending spam emails so we can turn off all the anti-span software that thrashes cpus to guess if given email is trying to scam you out of cash by selling discount dick pills?
(DIR) Post #APoOaVr2iJcXwnpZzs by drts@fosstodon.org
2022-11-21T00:36:18Z
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@strypey While I whole-heartedly agree, the difference is negligible and not a significant-enough portion of the bulk of data moving to and fro on the network.For potentially more significant results with your attempt at bringing more awareness to the carbon emissions arising from data, aim at cloud storage, music and video streaming users and take your best shot! :)
(DIR) Post #APoOpsL5OnJY1fD0zo by alienghic@octodon.social
2022-11-21T00:39:03Z
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@strypey I sold out on resisting html email after my coworkers couldn't click my links because they were longer than 72 characters.And sometimes it's better to send an html email with an embedded plot and description in it than to send a docx attachment.I think trying to keep the content simple is a good goal, its just some messages may need something richer than plain text.
(DIR) Post #APrV2zSBPDLpyjsHFw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-22T12:32:49Z
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@EndlessMason This may just be a joke, in which case, sorry for trying to dig a serious point out of it ;) But...... I'm guessing your point is that asking people not to send HTML mail is as unrealistic as asking them not to send spam. The clear difference between the two is that lots of the people who send HTML by email - particularly non-profit organizations - care about resource wastage and carbon emissions, and may stop if informed about the costs. Spammers are by definition Bad Actors.
(DIR) Post #APrX94ukDRHOYoGSye by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-22T12:56:16Z
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@strypey at the risk of sounding like an edgy standup-asshole in a netflix "documentary" called "cancelled" or "silenced", the idea was to point at something serious in an un-serious tonemore seriously, I think "don't send html" is about as useful to the environment as those little tree .jpg's with "before printing think of the environment": it's a tiny optimisation that puts the blame in the wrong placeAlso, often that tree footer would make the mail run onto a second page when printed
(DIR) Post #APse3VxpcsLVYNxkNU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T01:48:29Z
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@drtsThis is verging on what-about-ism. I don't think a wasteful practice, with measurable and avoidable carbon emissions, becomes ethical and acceptable simply because there are other wasteful practice with a larger footprint.
(DIR) Post #APsefRBxohZbl1ejJ2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T01:55:20Z
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@alienghic> coworkers couldn't click my links because they were longer than 72 characters.1) Why not? 2) Why were the links you were sending so long? 3) I'm certain there's a better way to address this than by sending all email wrapped in digital polystyrene.> better to send an html email ... than to send a docx attachment... or as I said, send a link to an HTML document (or a .pdf or whatever) on the web, where they belong.
(DIR) Post #APsgbbuYDltlkhoX7g by alienghic@octodon.social
2022-11-23T02:17:01Z
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@strypey They're so long because its links to things like https://examplehost/~user/project-name/experiment-name/component-name/file-name.datawith long piles of metadata in the all of the names. (& that example is already 85 characters)Things get ugly when you're like condition a on, condition b off, in background z.
(DIR) Post #APsiZR7pYFNhd77HwO by drts@fosstodon.org
2022-11-23T02:38:58Z
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@strypey I started by saying I whole-heartedly agreed and, reading my initial message again, nowhere did I stated or imply it was ethical or acceptable.Anyways, I'm not here to argue so I'll just share the chart I was getting my inspiration from and wish you well, mate :)
(DIR) Post #APtI3N7WVFFgI9yyyO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T09:16:40Z
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@EndlessMasonConsider also that the storage of HTML email takes up many times as much disk space as it needs to. In the case of not-for-profit orgs sending out thousands of copies of an email, that's causing a web page to be stored that many times (at least until the receivers delete it), instead of just once, on the web. I haven't even mentioned the increased security risks (makes phishing easier etc etc).
(DIR) Post #APtIPM4p3zxjQUCZUm by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-23T09:20:40.552963Z
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@strypey @EndlessMason There's probably some price point at which sending spam would become unprofitable. I'd pay a penny an email, if it stopped the spammers.
(DIR) Post #APtKdOznCwXyRQfuRU by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T09:45:30Z
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@strypey > [more space than needed]I'd bet that html email is "better" than the other ways of fitting formatting into an email.Ain't nobody gonna be happy with an rtf of pdf part as the body of a mail.so if there's a requirement is for anything other than a-z0-9, html email is the thing you're competing with.Have you ever received a text/plain email from a company and though "that seems trustworthy"? "that looks good'? "that is pleasing"?
(DIR) Post #APtY5eBtbY87558PlA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T12:16:21Z
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@alienghicOk, but I'm still confused about why the URL length is a problem. How and why did it stop people clicking on them?
(DIR) Post #APtaxVW2H5I3imMhaC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T12:48:11Z
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@drtsMy apologies for the strident tone. Before I saw your post I'd already read a rather patronizing one, which in hindsight had primed me to take offense.What I think your take misses, is the difference between use and waste. Video necessarily uses a lot more data because the files are larger. But if they are compressed as much as they can be while still fulfilling their purpose, there's no waste. That certainly can't be said for HTML mail.
(DIR) Post #APtbwbn1YvduqPRky8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T12:59:32Z
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@drtsThe recommended size for HTML is between 15-150KB, without attachments. By contest, the entire Wikipedia article on email, just over 6000 words, is 40KB of plaintext. No sensible email needs to be anywhere near that size. The first 1000 words or so of that article - still a very long email - can be saved as 6KB.
(DIR) Post #APtjPORUxuIpWf3DVI by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T09:37:06Z
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@billstclair @strypey email blue for just $8/month, right? Who would you even pay? Email doesn't belong to someone. How would each relay verify the payment? Does each relay get a cut? And why would I, the consumer of email, trust someone with money more than someone without money?
(DIR) Post #APtjPOpFXbIkiKABWa by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T14:23:09Z
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@EndlessMason> why would I, the consumer of email, trust someone with money more than someone without money?Good question. Charging for email to defang spam has been considered a few times and abandoned as unfeasible.@billstclair
(DIR) Post #APtjdIKuStDYdqb7uS by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-23T14:25:43.931711Z
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@EndlessMason You, as a consumer would not trust paid email more than unpaid, but if spammers, who send millions of emails, and expect a very small return rate, had to pay, there would likely be fewer of them, or it might stop being lucrative at all.@strypey We as yet have no micropayment architecture wired into the net. Maybe building one is too much effort, but it would buy a lot (pun intended).
(DIR) Post #APtjusxDZdWH8Iu6wy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T14:28:51Z
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@EndlessMason> Have you ever received a... email from a company and though "that seems trustworthy"? "that looks good'? "that is pleasing"?No. All email from companies is inherently suspicious and usually unwelcome, all the more so if it's wrapped in a layer of digital polystyrene ;) If I actually care to receive information from a company, I'll request it via my web browser, like a sensible person. I doesn't need slick marketing cruft shoved into my mailbox.No circulars!
(DIR) Post #APtkRlb3wuKrs3Di08 by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:30:52Z
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@billstclair @strypey For email blue to work, something has to happen to non-paid email. That gives paid mail a special position of either trust or authority. The graits mail has to be punished, you know, "because it might spam". Can't trust those "lousy email commies", after all
(DIR) Post #APtkRm9Rt3qDahJAbA by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-23T14:34:50.767190Z
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@EndlessMason @strypey I'm proposing email servers that don't ACCEPT unpaid email. Some still will, of course, and you can choose to use one of them, or not.
(DIR) Post #APtkSpjW3WJUzNgOLA by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:34:49Z
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@strypey Mail from companies:- thanks for the order- tracking notifications from 2 different postal vendors they gave my email address to- Rate your order experience- You weren't home, come pick it up from <far off suburb>- Rate your courier mail experience please- password reset- a "remember that time 1 year ago when you got a 8m tall ladder? maybe get another one?"- thank you for unsubscribingmost of these are transactional, not circular.
(DIR) Post #APtkjWRv0QDS6WPS6a by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:36:12Z
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@billstclair @strypey so, then you only trust paid mail.Why would you do that?
(DIR) Post #APtkjWwl9kszeAq5B2 by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-23T14:38:03.556684Z
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@EndlessMason @strypey I'd do that, because I'm sick of getting spam. Anybody not willing to pay a penny doesn't get to send me email. Not a problem for me.
(DIR) Post #APtlUgLe1IaSPnxjHM by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:42:30Z
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@billstclair @strypey Spammers are now putting 2/3 dollar top-up transactions onto stolen credit cards.You still get spam, but now you have to pay to send mail.
(DIR) Post #APtlUgyzf03wNqN9c0 by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:43:31Z
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@billstclair @strypey The idea that your "bad actors" won't act bad to circumvent a payment threshold is just madness.Musk literally tested this last week with twitter blue and everyone immediately got fake accounts with blue badges and tanked the price of a us pharma company by tweeting out that insulin is free lol
(DIR) Post #APtlUhX1cTHi5OIKem by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-23T14:46:34.685693Z
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@EndlessMason @strypey The "insulin is free" fiasco was short-lived and is unlikely to repeat. It was caused by people learning to trust the blue check, before they learned that anyone can get one by paying $8. Hopefully, Elon will have easily-distinguished markings for different levels of verification, so you'll be able to trust the actually-verified accounts at least as much as it used to be. But, a sucker is born every minute. Caveat emptor.People will game ANY system. All you can do is make it a little harder.
(DIR) Post #APtm5xlQEPMX8ynRo0 by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:50:48Z
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@billstclair @strypey People trusted the blue check mark because previously it was a form of verification of identity.When it was switched to proof of having money, the reason it was trusted went away.Money is not a vehicle for trust.
(DIR) Post #APtm5ye0xR1zsIL2tk by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:51:40Z
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@billstclair @strypey like, if I gave you $100 would you take my word that paying per email is a bad idea?
(DIR) Post #APtm5zJ8UXvNvpZszg by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-23T14:53:19.241783Z
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@EndlessMason @strypey I don't trust ANYTHING I haven't personally witnessed. Everything else is somebody's story. I think that making email unfree could reduce spam. It certainly won't make me trust anyone.
(DIR) Post #APtz2sy4u9U8nyZyMq by alienghic@octodon.social
2022-11-23T17:18:20Z
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@strypey Somewhere there's a spec to say wrap plain text at 72 or 78 characters.There's supposed to be a line continuation character but I frequently got complaints off my links not working. And the people I was emailing have no understanding of URL syntax so didn't realize they should paste the extra bit at the endRight now its probably more important to try fighting attachments than HTML emailShipping around 60mb power pointsas base64 encoded attachments is so much worse than html email.Though my boss loves the user experience of having documents as attachments and I'm not sure I can ever break her of that habit
(DIR) Post #APuRYuZ5IgadjzwqCe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T22:37:55Z
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@EndlessMasonFWIW HTML mail also makes phishing much more likely to work. The asshats can replicate a company's HTML - complete with logo and other branding paraphernalia - and hide their phishing URLs behind legitimate looking links. In plaintext, all email looks less "official", which means people read it more carefully, and folks can see at a glance when URLs are pointing to YourBank.DodgyDomain.foo instead of YourBank.foo.
(DIR) Post #APubBJZdfJ7TtdauGG by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T00:25:39Z
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@strypey Folks fall for phishing because they opened a mail when they are in a distracted, in a hurry to do another thing. An urgent looking mail on their phone late at night, or during a meetingtext/plain mails are no easier/more difficult to duplicate than their html counterparts. They're going to be subject to the exact same human factors that phishing mails already exploitYou can just as readily use a utf8 confusion attack in a plain text mail as you can in an <a href= in an html mail
(DIR) Post #APvKWCRZripJnl9ldA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T08:53:41Z
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@billstclair > We as yet have no micropayment architecture wired into the net.Bill, come on. You've been around the net longer than I have. You know that micropayments have been tried - many times - and failed. Every. Single. Time. We've watched a veritable monsoon of such failures over the last few years, with the whole BlockChain fiasco.If you don't yet understand why micropayments *cannot* work, here's an explanation Clay Shirky prepared earlier:https://web.archive.org/web/20010203140700/http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2000/12/19/micropayments.html@EndlessMason
(DIR) Post #APvMq6mIq8hXvhTIcS by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-24T09:19:45.241603Z
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@strypey @EndlessMason I had never seen that. And it dates from 2000, nearly the beginning of the web. That’s me. Ever the optimist. But I’ll remember this:“The Short Answer for Why Micropayments Fail: Users hate them.”Thank you.
(DIR) Post #APvPTJSJq2FUS0wiq8 by billstclair@impeccable.social
2022-11-24T09:49:14.923482Z
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@strypey @EndlessMason It still seems weird to me that people will trade worthless paper and and base-metal tokens, supported by only "In God We Trust" and the local military, and they'll trade cryptographically-signed tokens representing lots of electricity wasted, but micropayments are beyond the pale.
(DIR) Post #APvQkAp3I2OKYIBPXM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T10:03:02Z
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@EndlessMason > most of these are transactional, not circularFair point.
(DIR) Post #APvQuIavFSEfYKOzhY by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-23T14:35:24Z
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@strypey Most need to link somewhere, and most would look even more sketchy if they didn't carry the companies heraldry
(DIR) Post #APvQuJ1rdHmott0VhA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T10:05:16Z
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@EndlessMason > Most need to link somewhereHuh? URLs can be included in plaintext mail, with the advantage that phishing attempts are harder to disguise. Most email clients can even make them clickable, without the email itself being HTML.> most would look even more sketchy if they didn't carry the companies heraldryThis can be cut'n'pasted pretty easily from the company's website. Just ask The Yes Men. Anyone who relies on that for veracity might be keen on bridge I have for sale.
(DIR) Post #APvYylf1vDPUUXxuVc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T11:35:44Z
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@alienghic > Somewhere there's a spec to say wrap plain text at 72 or 78 characters.Ah, OK. Isn't that just an outdated UX suggestion for email clients though?> Shipping around 60mb power pointsas base64 encoded attachments is so much worse than html email.This is a bit like saying methane emissions from agriculture are are so much worse than fossil fuels from transport. It's true (at least in this coutry), but it doesn't mean it's not important to address both.
(DIR) Post #APvZ3c9CifnkR0OFBw by alienghic@octodon.social
2022-11-23T17:20:34Z
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@strypey Also if you can find an email sent through office365 check out the headers....Did you know there was also a header line limit of 998 characters?Do you know who ignored that?
(DIR) Post #APvZ3cYjBmDZiAKcyW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T11:36:35Z
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@alienghic > Do you know who ignored that?Does the mention of Office365 offer a clue? I think I can guess...
(DIR) Post #APvZprB48pUSwvGSqe by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T11:45:17Z
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(DIR) Post #APvjMYN3z2phlXXfay by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T13:32:02Z
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@strypey Have you noticed that all social platforms cut urls after ~200 chars? It's because nobody wants to see 3k of base64 session id, tracking token and csrf token in a link. Nobody cares that links are trimmed this aggressively because they're not reading the url, they're just clicking the blue text, and with the addition of utf8-look alike attacks it's not even worth trying to, 'cause that pixel-perfect o might just be a ruskii one you can't identify.
(DIR) Post #APvjU7KoO6hgEN5zhQ by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T13:33:25Z
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@strypey > This can be cut'n'pasted pretty easily good thing this argument doesn't apply equally to a plain text email that just ends with-- your credit cards security and fraud teamhttp colon slash slash leigitrealbank.com
(DIR) Post #APvlnpMJ8C4ABCK036 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T13:59:25Z
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@EndlessMason > text/plain mails are no easier/more difficult to duplicate than their html counterparts. You sent 3 posts worth of replies and not a single one addresses the point. In HTML mail I can create a link that reads YourBank.com and links to my.DodgyPhishingSite.biz. It doesn't matter how carefully anyone reads that email, they can't see that without at least one extra step of investigation (egview source or right-click copy and paste). In plaintext, you can't obscure the real URL.
(DIR) Post #APvm41d1HTzerlrWUK by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T14:02:17Z
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@strypey You can obscure urls, in plain text, with utf8 lookalike characters. "fаcеbооk", for example contains russian vowels.
(DIR) Post #APvs3FipziLs0rb9yi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T15:09:25Z
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@billstclair Read Clay Shirky again. There's a more recent article on the same topic if you can be bothered hunting it out. The issue is not the value of the tokens (perceived or otherwise), but the decision-making overhead. If sending email is free, people can send as many as they need to without stopping to consider their budget. With even tiniest charge for sending an email, it becomes a purchasing decision. The friction this creates is irritating. Thus; users hate them.@EndlessMason
(DIR) Post #APvs7tYVpvDWiEyyrw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T15:10:17Z
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@billstclair Read Clay Shirky again. He wrote an article a few years later on the same topic if you can be bothered hunting it out. The issue is not the value of the tokens (perceived or otherwise) but the decision-making overhead. If sending email is free, people can send as many as they need to without stopping to consider their budget. With even tiniest charge for sending an email, it becomes a purchasing decision. The friction this creates is irritating. Thus; users hate them.@EndlessMason
(DIR) Post #APvwKu8VOB4M5uHDay by alienghic@octodon.social
2022-11-24T15:57:24Z
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@strypey Ultimately I think there's times when the expressive power of lists, tables (for tabular data), block quotes, links, bold, italics and maybe even headings are needed to communicate more effectively.There's some restricted subset of HTML some blog software will let people post in and I think there's a time and place for that.I don't like it when the sender system choose their own fonts or font sizes as an accessibility issue for old eyes, and I think marketings love of fancy columns is a problem. I don't think my email should look like a clipped out magazine ad.
(DIR) Post #APvwnBtax9L3Han4s4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T16:02:34Z
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@EndlessMason The important bit of the URL - the bit that confirms the link goes to your bank and not to a phishing site - is the domain name at the start. It's truly impressive the contortions you're putting yourself through to avoid seeing that you're just wrong on this particular point. Keep it up, I'm keen to see just how flexible you are 👋 😂
(DIR) Post #APvx9RrAI9Mn9gGcfw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T16:06:35Z
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@EndlessMason > good thing this argument doesn't apply equally to a plain text emailThe point is that presenting company heraldry in HTML provides no more of guarantee of authenticity than plaintext does. It just uses more resources.
(DIR) Post #APvxMAmr4DjFynJozw by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T16:08:49Z
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@strypey https://mastodon.lol/@EndlessMason/109399148952068773https://mastodon.lol/@EndlessMason/109399166464731305These "contortions" are both things I've seen in my mailbox before.
(DIR) Post #APvxXDFCGuowmlq78a by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T16:10:49Z
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@strypey Yes.
(DIR) Post #APvyAlmHoIDzBSBA8W by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T16:18:01Z
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It's amazing how many people dropped in to defend the practice of sending HTML by mail and how passionate some of them were about it. It's like somebody decided to send letters made of wood instead of paper, and then more people did, because it looks nicer. Now it's become so normal, that when someone says maybe we should start sending paper letters because it uses less resources, everybody thinks it's bananas. But what's really bananas is sending wooden letters...
(DIR) Post #APvz7CfpyAmzOc1faC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T16:28:31Z
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@alienghic > there's times when the expressive power of lists, tables (for tabular data), block quotes, links, bold, italics and maybe even headings are needed to communicate more effectively.For that, we have the web. But crucially, it's a pull medium. People only cause a copy of web page to be sent across the net if they request one. The objection lurking under all this seems to be that this freedom of choice is inconvenient to people in the business of persuasion.
(DIR) Post #APvzZIa3bNEPp8ieQK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T16:33:28Z
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@EndlessMason If you've seen them, then you must have HTML mail turned off, which means all your impassioned arguments for it are a bit performative, wouldn't you say? I think we've long since passed the point where this exchange stopped being productive. It's certainly stopped being fun. In fact the patronizing tone you began with, and kept up pretty much the whole time, meant it was never much fun for me. Thanks for stopping by.
(DIR) Post #APw0dqyVlYODbntRNA by mdosch@muenchen.social
2022-11-24T16:45:38Z
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@strypey https://useplaintext.email/
(DIR) Post #APw0w3HIlJeqyjMNGa by nick@norden.social
2022-11-24T16:48:51Z
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@strypey This also follows the standard and is much safer... 👍
(DIR) Post #APw2F3Xa6sfHFVbHs0 by EndlessMason@mastodon.lol
2022-11-24T17:03:29Z
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@strypey I'm not sure which mail client you use, but you can see where a link goes by hovering it... or copying it, even send to another browser'ing itI don't know what setup you use that forces you to load emailed links, completely un-seen, in the same browser all your personal data is in.Either way, you're right - It seems clear we're talking past eachother. Have an good one.
(DIR) Post #APw2rhNqQIXNp9TLLE by matty@anarchism.space
2022-11-24T17:10:33Z
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@strypey as a coder, add in the wasted resources going back and forth on templates that add NO information to the message.Want to impress me? Send it encrypted.
(DIR) Post #APwBeaKkDsKDmWqOGW by tetrislife@qoto.org
2022-11-24T18:48:59Z
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@strypey @alienghic you don't need to send HTML if clients can render Markdown (or, better, asciidoc). The problem isn't formatted text, it is the HTML tag soup.
(DIR) Post #APwCMhqBflZ7o3acUK by alienghic@octodon.social
2022-11-24T18:56:55Z
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@strypey we also are imaging different use cases. I'm thinking about emailing my boss or less technical coworkers. In that case I'm sending them an update they want so push is a reasonable use Most marketing email is just annoying regardless of how its formatted. Because getting interrupted by someone you're not interested in is just annoying
(DIR) Post #APwK2u5FFAFpcPhWuu by tetrislife@qoto.org
2022-11-24T18:56:12Z
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@billstclair I had read about that micropayments idea. The cellphone companies basically had it - per-second or per-minute calling plans or per-SMS charging.And people did instead go more for higher-priced unlimited calling plans or bundled minutes or bundled SMS'es. E-mail hasn't had that tried, even as a thought exercise, has it? A free tier with 30 e-mails per month + paid tiers. It has kept SMS spam humanly manageable.@EndlessMason @strypey
(DIR) Post #APwK2vidADLygr8Uwi by tetrislife@qoto.org
2022-11-24T19:04:25Z
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@billstclair @EndlessMason @strypey e-mail storage might be quite efficient nowadays - everybody is on GMail and Google surely must be de-duplicating by design. So, the main inefficiency has to be in the transmission to the client ... which happens on Google's web page. GMail has solved the HTML e-mail overhead problem 😎
(DIR) Post #AQ2Aba1fyYTkxAghMG by tagon@mastodontech.de
2022-11-27T16:05:14Z
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@strypey Then people will send Word documents again. Please not!