Post APs3RIrQIbFZYnRfTU by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #APrRHd8QGiudHlMCnI by georgetakei@universeodon.com
2022-11-22T11:47:49Z
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It’s good to see engagement and use growing here. It would be healthy to have a social platform free of the billionaire oligopoly and the corporate ad folks, don’t you think?
(DIR) Post #APrRHdVorjcySKItGK by Moke@hachyderm.io
2022-11-22T11:49:01Z
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@georgetakei the beauty of Mastodon is that there are no owners, and you can move to another server (or even have your own) anytime.
(DIR) Post #APs2w7G1ODmGb250JE by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-22T18:52:37.756104Z
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@georgetakei 🤔 This is satire, right?
(DIR) Post #APs3HxwigoSI5YTDqS by Zettour@gearlandia.haus
2022-11-22T18:56:26.551348Z
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@Zerglingman @georgetakei No, it's actually him.
(DIR) Post #APs3RIrQIbFZYnRfTU by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-22T18:58:15.936544Z
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@Zettour @georgetakei No but like, the post. Given all the free advertising going on in his nick, and, if I'm not wrong, him being part of that oligopoly.
(DIR) Post #APsPXNnF4RjpaTnGmO by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-22T23:05:07.659841Z
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@georgetakei are you still on facebook?
(DIR) Post #APsakYGYXkS7KQzGFc by gnu2@gnusocial.jp
2022-11-22T17:53:00Z
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They are welcome to set up their own instance! That's the Beauty of Free Software!
(DIR) Post #APsdlB9uEzQ1oZrpqK by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2022-11-23T01:45:13.463689Z
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@Moon @georgetakei his and the other twitter refugees' idea of "engagement" goes one direction only so you'll probably be left hanging
(DIR) Post #APvtXF8uoSpmrEf0ts by jameswallbank@mas.to
2022-11-22T17:18:00Z
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@georgetakei Great vision, George, but I fear it's a pipe-dream. Once enough users migrate to Mastodon, they'll form a market. And what does capitalism do? Exploit markets!It's not obvious yet how, exactly, that'll happen, and how, exactly, it'll degrade the user experience. But I fear it will. #tragedyofthecommons
(DIR) Post #APvtXGfD9sGJZgmJsW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-24T15:25:59Z
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@jameswallbank > Once enough users migrate to Mastodon, they'll form a market.A market for what? What do people here have a demand for? Hosted servers, maybe. Ads, I doubt it. Billionaires? Just no.> And what does capitalism do? Exploit markets!It tries. But in plenty of areas it hasn't succeeded. There is strong demand for spouses, babies, organs, and social revolutions, yet none of these things have been commodified (except maybe in some disreputable edge cases).@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #APzFbvlJ4vfCfA8bdw by KingDenizen@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T06:17:37.281719Z
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Oh my. You’re in for an eye-awakening experience. Hope your block finger can handle it.
(DIR) Post #APzG54YLTNz2KEyGoa by JuergenSchT@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T06:04:12.050652Z
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Of all the (possible) Twitter refugees, who we need the most is William Shatner to kick your ass.
(DIR) Post #APzGIU0m87UT33fD04 by WaifGyu@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T06:25:18.791480Z
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The wrong one died.
(DIR) Post #APzMqbEsMegt2CuVCS by DRAGON@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T07:24:22.089586Z
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can we trade george for lenard
(DIR) Post #APzN2M6wR4VFahnxXk by WaifGyu@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T07:40:49.996736Z
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If only...
(DIR) Post #APzNWljPkAJNjtIniK by swattysquad@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T07:46:19.472641Z
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Take shatner too sweeten the pot
(DIR) Post #APzOrpMnWUGD36KSSe by WaifGyu@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T08:01:20.256356Z
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A 2-fer
(DIR) Post #APzSFOuNqUL5noyFBw by franz@seal.cafe
2022-11-26T08:39:12.664572Z
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@georgetakei fag
(DIR) Post #APzSHW3oE2iUYzO7ZQ by stephen@home.schwetz.au
2022-11-22T12:36:14Z
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@georgetakei I would very much like to think that this is a social experiment that may work out. The internet returned to its roots as it was in the 90s when there were no corporate profits at play, and the Internet was just for connecting people.Oh, and of course, survivability of Launch Command and Control of the United States Nuclear Arsenal. But hopefully that bit we don't need back 🤣
(DIR) Post #APzSIB7RZQz9u8P6Qa by yishengqingwa666@spinster.xyz
2022-11-25T01:25:25.674749Z
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@georgetakei Eat shit, you misogynist has-been piece of trash.
(DIR) Post #APzT9EEaiby8uk2khE by rodan@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T08:48:55.431351Z
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Go back to china faggot
(DIR) Post #APzU3fzih5iDEA0IRE by swattysquad@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T08:59:30.244589Z
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He's a jap friend.
(DIR) Post #APzYSXKCSqsbOYh1Wq by rodan@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T09:46:03.961547Z
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(DIR) Post #APzYSXpkZY7IyPSDho by swattysquad@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T09:48:46.337253Z
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(DIR) Post #APzcOHzruXUqVyPgY4 by WaifGyu@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-26T10:32:52.261611Z
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(DIR) Post #APzcuNlU08PdfczIPI by Grimwing@eveningzoo.club
2022-11-26T10:38:39.373484Z
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@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AZ9xwPHbZGNYRIQ1T6 by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-27T15:10:04Z
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@strypeyWhen you say that demand for spouses, babies, organs, and social revolutions have not been commodified, I draw your attention to any number of dating apps, and the dreadful markets in human organs in the underdeveloped world.We haven't quite seen "social revolution as a service" yet—but some might argue that this is exactly the space that social media companies operate in!Remember, often capitalism is about choking off the supply of the thing it nominally provides. @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AZB4BZRGstC9AEVvLU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T03:54:44Z
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@jameswallbank>voften capitalism is about choking off the supply of the thing it nominally providesIndeed, the choking off usually precedes the supplying. Take the enclosures of the commons for example. This choked off workers' ability to find food, forcing them into cities to find enough paid work to buy it from capitalists.Or a more recent example, the choking off of seed-saving in India, through proprietary plant variety laws. Forcing farmers to buy seed.(1/2)@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AZB4J3LI6O6zw3HhRY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T03:56:19Z
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@jameswallbankSo, how would DataFarmers go about choking off the fediverse so they can sell it back to us? How might we protect ourselves from this?(2/2)@georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AZBE5i8Mdtl3w3Vymu by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T05:45:56Z
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@strypeyGreat question! And it begs other questions——What is social media FOR?—How can we, as individual humans, connect?—Is it realistic for ALL of us to suddenly have more friends?…who we give more time to?—If social media is a tool for social amplification, does that mean that, while some people become more audible, others are drowned out?—And if not, how do we select the few hundred friends it's realistic to know? (See also: Dunbar's Number). @georgetakei
(DIR) Post #AZBHIlcXI3hONNXpg0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T06:21:54Z
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@jameswallbank> What is social media FOR?I'll see your rabbithole and raise you a rabbithole.What *is* social media?Some background. In the late 90s, I was part of a loose, open network of activists using email lists to share info and debate ideas. In the early noughties, I was part of a bounded and carefully defined global network of activist news websites sharing the name Indymedia.(1/?)
(DIR) Post #AZBHqw311rMIYqDt0C by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T06:28:04Z
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@jameswallbankThe email lists were an early example of "social networking". The Indymedia websites were an early example of "social media".People usually use both terms to loosely handwave at the same grab bag of things. But to me there are two quite different things going on here. One is about communicating with a specific group of people. The second is about publishing, to a generic "public" or "audience".(2/?)
(DIR) Post #AZBIL6Nv9zCbJCNzCy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T06:33:30Z
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@jameswallbank I'm jumping to conclusions, but your questions all seem to imply a preference for social networking over social media.I agree that social networking is a valid use of social technology, and yet it's not usually what's being built and widely used in the fediverse. Nor in most re-decentralisation projects. All of which seem to have a preference for building social media tools instead.But why?(3/?)
(DIR) Post #AZBIx3h5c3e9y2S1GS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T06:40:24Z
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@jameswallbankSince the mainstreaming of FarceBook, it's been difficult to get our family and non-geek friends to set up accounts anywhere else, or to use then regularly if we can. IMHO this is why re-decentralisation geeks have focused on social media formats like micro-posting (eg Mastodon) and web video channels (a la PeerTube). Because even with nobody following my account, at least I'm still publishing to the web. Like a blog that nobody reads, but can at least be quoted and linked.(4/4)
(DIR) Post #AZBJWaVZbOQ1sH0QfQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T06:46:51Z
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@jameswallbankThere are re-decentralisation projects like Bonfire, working on fediverse interfaces that are designed more social networking. But if you can convince the people you know to set up new accounts, there are plenty of projects outside the fediverse that can be good for that already. Federated ones like Delta.chat, Snikket and matrix, and centralised ones like Loomio groups.(5/5)
(DIR) Post #AZBKDrBTTfX82tElKi by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T06:54:38Z
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@strypey Interesting! I, too, have been involved with technological and social activism. I first got involved with electronic social networking—it wasn't called that in those days—via a BBS called "Drugnet"—part of FidoNET.There was rich debate on the platform about the possible impact of live internet connection, to supercede the daily relay system.After a couple of years, Drugnet went live. Within a few weeks its discussion boards were dead. Connection had killed community.
(DIR) Post #AZBMsKyILcSpvBVEcy by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T07:00:45Z
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@strypey Without going into the sickening details, I ended up running a real-world computer lab, back in the days of cybercafes. The idea was to set up an actual, face-to-face community where people could be included, and access technology, mutual support and digital creativity. One of our preoccupations was computer reuse and repair. It was quite influential.
(DIR) Post #AZBMsLkVSN1qKi3jm4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T07:24:21Z
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@jameswallbank> I ended up running a real-world computer lab, back in the days of cybercafesHuh, me too. Indymedia began as a web publishing tool for the Independent Media Centre set up in downtown Seattle, as a base for media activists reporting on the huge protests against the WTO in 1999. I helped set up and run a number of such spaces in Aotearoa in the noughties. By the end of the decade the idea had been generalised in geek entrepreneur spaces like FabLabs, HackerSpaces, and CoWorking.
(DIR) Post #AZBNjVZ7gqLg7s5BdA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T07:33:55Z
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@jameswallbank> After a couple of years, Drugnet went live. Within a few weeks its discussion boards were deadIntriguing. But you're presuming that...> Connection had killed communityBut it's just as likely that internet access would have killed it even if Drugnet hadn't connected to it. Maybe the "community"... wasn't?Maybe, like the groups of people we hang out with at high school, there was enough commonality to keep them together. But only in the absence of more suitable choices.
(DIR) Post #AZBOZUlzsghGj7tTf6 by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T07:42:41Z
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@strypey Lots of interesting stuff here—and this conversation is generating a sufficient number of fascinating loose ends that, followed, we'd have enough material for a book.But picking up just one, the definition of community. I wonder whether community is NOT reinforced by "better" participants. It's about shared experience. It may be a function of where, and when, not who.The skill of building community, as an individual, may be the same skill as getting on well with your neighbours.
(DIR) Post #AZBTry4ECko4Z235wu by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T07:48:19Z
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@strypey So arguably (and I'm just putting this out there as an idea, not advocating it!) a function of digital communications is to atomise community. To distribute it geographically, and even across timezones.We used to live within walking distance of almost all of our friends. Why? Because if we didn't, then, by definition, they weren't our friends!So I think I question the idea of "suitable" people. Community is about including who you've got. The right people are the people who turn up.
(DIR) Post #AZBTryrVFYDp1r6Rkm by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T07:52:09Z
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@strypey So (and sorry to hold forth so effusively—I'm on a roll) one of the things that social media provides are contacts with people with whom you have shared thematic interests.But that may not be quite the same thing as community. In fact, there may be something about this global action of connecting people into self-similar social circles that has features both beneficial AND toxic to wider society.
(DIR) Post #AZBTrzcIRZeVMyzogq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T08:42:41Z
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@jameswallbank> this global action of connecting people into self-similar social circles... has features both beneficial AND toxic to wider societyThis is observably true. So unless we're going to accept shibboleths like "human nature" or "original sin" (I don't), whether an online community tends towards beneficial (eg HitGub), or toxic (eg Titter) must depend on design choices. Which leads to more questions.How can we design the fediverse to be more beneficial and less toxic?(1/2)
(DIR) Post #AZBUaeabTAabBaV3z6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T08:50:44Z
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@jameswallbank Questions about how we design the fediverse are inherently political. For the same reasons as questions about how we design the institutions that make and enforce laws. In both cases, the answers depend on value judgments about what counts as "beneficial" and "toxic".In geographical space, these judgments need to have one set of answers. So we tend to decide who gets to make them based on who can get a monopoly of force with a bounded area.What about for the fediverse?(2/3)
(DIR) Post #AZBVLwkvkCzd8fsi92 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T08:59:23Z
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@jameswallbankComing back to your questions about social software, I'm smelling a preference for emulating the geographical. Recapitulating small communities, that agree on the values of their digital neighborhood.This can work pretty well for moderation, where a server is a neighborhood. Their residents either implicitly agree with an editorial policy by joining that server, or collectively determine it. But here's the thing; this doesn't really translate to app or protocol design.(3/3)
(DIR) Post #AZBVNsaSDPummvu2TY by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T08:59:27Z
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@strypey Yes indeed—but there are significant differences OTHER THAN DESIGN between #github and #Twitter, too.One is the activity proposed, and the consequent profile of people who engage. Github immediately excludes non-coders, or coding-adjacent people.(I've no doubt that there are plenty of Githubbers who ask, "Do such people actually exist?" 😉) whereas Twitter excludes people who aren't comfortable with ignoring nonsense.It's worth examining the objectives of participation.
(DIR) Post #AZBVmXevA6zd7YkhDU by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T09:04:07Z
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@strypey Side note: I've wondered about the potential of social software in which you don't get to choose your contacts. Instead, you're arbitrarily allocated say, 200 contacts, and that's who you've got. The game would be to make the best of it. There could be some mechanism to connect the groups at a higher level—perhaps similarly arbitrarily!Side note 2: Nobody has time for that!!
(DIR) Post #AZBVpMdYb8sro0SZt2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T09:04:32Z
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@jameswallbank> I wonder whether community is NOT reinforced by "better" participantsI can see why you read my post this way. But I wasn't talking to so much about the individual people that made up our high school social groups. More high school as a community-building social environment, and the kinds of community it makes possible.If a high school social group share a deep love of bowling, the environment of the bowling alley may allow their community to continue once they leave school.
(DIR) Post #AZBfzBeRISp2AgCA7c by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T09:37:44Z
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@strypey I wonder whether "community building" is an objective in itself—quite independent from other social networking offers. I've recently started to compare and contrast Reddit, Discord and Mastodon.On Discord, there's a high level of presumption, inherent in the design, that you're familiar with, and comfortable with, online gaming. On Reddit, communities appear to be very theme-focused. Mastodon is more discursive. But are instances even perceptible as distinct communities?
(DIR) Post #AZBfzCSQIcnwfha520 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T10:58:29Z
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@jameswallbank> are [fediverse] instances even perceptible as distinct communities?Yes, but mainly from the inside, at first. Once you've been kicking around here for a while, you start to notice where people's accounts are hosted, and that can give you a sense of roughly where they're coming from.Although as a rule of thumb, m that's more true for longer-lived, medium sized instances. Less true for large ones, however enduring, and for smaller one when they're newer.
(DIR) Post #AZCOytAKWPjOmCLNKq by jameswallbank@mas.to
2023-08-28T19:22:33Z
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@strypey Is what you're identifying here are the "peer-to-peer" and "broadcast" paradigms? There's also the "narrowcast" model, in which you're holding forth to a very specialised audience. I think social media mixes all of these.
(DIR) Post #AZCb3u79cXQqcJ14Ea by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-08-28T21:38:03Z
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@jameswallbank> Is what you're identifying here the "peer-to-peer"... paradigms?Maybe, in the way the Peer To Peer Foundation use the term. But "peer-to-peer" is also a specific network topology, which makes it a less useful term for what i'm describing than "social networking". "Narrowcast" gets closer, but I'm distinguishing between talking *to* an "audience", and talking *with* a community of peers.