Post APpm1fJ28dIG6hd3kO by bit0fun@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #APoyYA2sOElp0CNClc by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T07:19:16Z
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Well, lets see if they care anymore if I expose this shit on twitter. If you have an account there feel free to show some support:https://twitter.com/DocFreemo/status/1594590720974888960QT: https://qoto.org/@freemo/109374266179824422
(DIR) Post #APp1uzoMuCdlmjARmq by kjr@qoto.org
2022-11-21T07:57:03Z
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@freemo I don't see the point of making noise outside, and less in Twitter in this moment. For most people outside that is irrelevant, and even difficult to understand (myself tried and asked questions here without success in getting insight in the background). The only result that I see is that it can make people more reluctant to join Mastodon in general, even in instances no listed in Mastodon.join (probably most?). Myself learned about the existence of joinmastodon in the last days due to this conflict.
(DIR) Post #APp260J7OyTCVandOy by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T07:59:02Z
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@kjr The point is that Eugene has made it clear he doesnt care about the details and isnt willing discuss it.. what he cares about in his own words are "bad optics"... so by posting the facts on twitter where there is a lot of people who are anti-mastodon and thus are likely to spread it and reboost it it means those "bad optics" will ripple out and ultimately put pressure on Eugene to engage or remedy the situation. It was a last resort effort, but it is almost certainly the best way to get his attention.
(DIR) Post #APp2pwwcEmIPOpBOMq by kjr@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:07:20Z
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@freemo My point is another one. For instance I don't know who is Eugene (sincerly, I tryed to understand something but without success). Maybe in Twitter there is anti-mastodon people. What is the point of making Mastodon less attractive in general? At the end the impression will be that it is a place linked to conflicts and power-struggles. Then why come inside? This conflict, if goes outside with only be a prejudice for non-involved people and instances.
(DIR) Post #APp2xLRdXnFHPfDdJ2 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:08:39Z
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@kjr Eugene is the founder of mastodon and the person in control of joinmastodon.org and ultimately the one who delisted us.The hope is that Eugene will resolve this BEFORE the conflict he has caused has a negative impact. Lets hope he prevents that very result.
(DIR) Post #APp3SjFB6rYiCYMA3k by kjr@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:14:20Z
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@freemo but, it is so important? I mean, I have see just a few instances listed in Joinmastodon. No one of the instances in which people that I like are (people coming from the archives and libraries world, culture world etc). That is a little my point, that collateral damages should be avoided, and avoid that non involved people get demotivated. In places organized in a centralist way that is more difficult, but here at the end, every instance has total autonomy to develop its own project.
(DIR) Post #APp3Yk5qrcjEZdrTo8 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:15:24Z
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@kjr It represents a significant source of new users for us. Without it we will likely slowly loose users at a faster pace than we can replenish it and after some time cease to exist at all... yes I'd say its important.
(DIR) Post #APp3jwBWFTcnGBqnzc by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-21T08:17:28.495064Z
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@freemo ah yes. starting shitstorms. been hanging out near me too long :ablobcatpopcorn:
(DIR) Post #APp3nku08fQvQUTf5k by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:18:07Z
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@icedquinn I see a few shit tornados starting up too :) ah glorious :)
(DIR) Post #APp5AnCNrmfTABcmgK by WendyW@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:33:30Z
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@freemo I wrote a short, polite email querying this to the address you suggested in your earlier toot - hope the cumulative actions of users like me help…🤞
(DIR) Post #APp5ERgJoCtjaTMsiW by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:34:09Z
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@WendyW Thanks, much appreciated. So far he seems to be ignoring everyone who has reached out.
(DIR) Post #APp5rr6hDAaLjjUwVM by gpowerf@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:41:18Z
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@freemo may I ask something at the risk of sounding a little naive?Isn’t there room for an alternative to Join Mastodon that lists a far far broader range of servers alongside user reviews of them? And snippets of the type of conversations and people who have accounts there?Why does Join Mastodon have to be all dominant other than they have good SEO.
(DIR) Post #APp68rMlV7hvSn7esq by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:44:21Z
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@gpowerf They arent hte only one, there are other inclusive directories.. it is however the first one new users tend to see as it is the only "official" one
(DIR) Post #APp6IzRQKga3P68FKi by gpowerf@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:46:11Z
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@freemo understood. Admittedly I went there to find a server when I joined.
(DIR) Post #APp6MBFurb1WukGqsy by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T08:46:45Z
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@gpowerf despite the alternatives almost everyone does, thats the problem.
(DIR) Post #APpFpTDm2wgQcPJHnc by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2022-11-21T10:32:55Z
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@freemo I have no idea how much traffic joinmastodon gets relative to others on this list, but there are more introduction points: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/z0qr5m/alternatives_to_instancessocial_curated/ I checked and it seems none of the others list qoto. joinfediverse for example says please nothing from the fediblock list, but we are not on there, so fair game to suggest they list us i guess? So maybe if joinmastodon insists on being incomplete, getting on the other lists would be better than nothing?
(DIR) Post #APpGLkJe1ZL2u4RjG4 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T10:38:43Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven Added us to joinfediverse at that link... not sure how to get on the other list.
(DIR) Post #APpHsc6ZflrgwrZLVo by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2022-11-21T10:55:54Z
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@freemo fediverse.party says: Following instances skipped: number of users > 5.000 I don't know how many users we have. Another possibility would be posting on the subreddit, i see at least one server promotion, so it seems it is allowed. I am a bit unsure if i should make an account and post, since i do not know qoto that well as a relatively new user.
(DIR) Post #APpHxmLB2pgU8orWhU by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T10:56:48Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven It wouldnt be quite as appropriate for me as the server owner to do it. I do encourage you to do it, but only if you feel compelled to.We have about 20K users so at least 4x over that limit.
(DIR) Post #APpm1fJ28dIG6hd3kO by bit0fun@qoto.org
2022-11-21T16:33:41Z
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@freemo it's definitely easier said than done, but it sounds like you may need to take a step back from all of thisIt's really apparent that it's causing you a ton of stress, and it's definitely easy to get caught up in all the negative aspects. I hope you can keep in mind that there is a ton of really great aspects to qoto; namely the sheer number of really cool and intelligent people that are here. Honestly it feels amazing to have a community that breaks down some of the social stigma of talking to people with a higher social prestige, without having it yourself. Trying to run the server is a lot of work, and it's clear you've put your heart into it; you wouldn't care this much about ensuring qoto is accessible and open to everyone who wants to join (within reason of course). I don't need to tell you that, but I feel it needs to be said just to put it in writing. There arent pure good and bad people in the world, only people who strive to do what they think is good and those who are apathetic. As painful as it may feel, there is a point of diminishing returns for trying to convince some people. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, just may need to switch up how you approach it. In the end, I appreciate what you've done and continue to do and hope these issues can be resolved in a way that allows you to have some peace.
(DIR) Post #APpriU4WHWQTUK4qdU by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-21T17:37:23Z
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@bit0fun I appreciate your kind words. Dont worry my stress is actually much better as of late. Im just focusing on fixing this shit is all.
(DIR) Post #APptli135uYrVn7SM4 by davoloid@qoto.org
2022-11-21T18:00:26Z
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@freemo @kjr Indeed, though I found qoto through instances.social, which still has us listed when searching for STEM.
(DIR) Post #APpuX0QyQxRSFFnYpM by aronza@qoto.org
2022-11-21T18:08:59Z
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@freemo, I agree with @bit0fun .By the way, the best way to keep people is to generate and invite meaningful content.25000 users is plenty, I bet more than 1% of them (250) have plenty of interesting things to say / show to everybody.
(DIR) Post #APq0jlahWyRjhQofOS by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2022-11-21T19:18:29Z
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@freemo I won't get around to it today, but i'll look into it in the next days.
(DIR) Post #APqD3pLkSq6CbC9cy8 by Romaq@qoto.org
2022-11-21T21:36:37Z
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@kjr I found qoto.org from this list under discussion. I brought in my wife and at least one friend, working on the other. If the list maintainer refuses to discuss the delisting privately, it will be discussed publicly and @freemo should just as well be leading that discussion since the delisting appears to be the result of MAGA/QAnon-like hate and misinformation by those claiming to hate fascists. Funny how that works. If the list maintainer does not care for the larger, off Mastodon very public discussion, the list maintainer can damn well open up on the original, more private venue @freemo attempted. That's the reality. People may not like it, but sometimes all options suck and reality doesn't much give a damn.One more thought... If Mastodon as a project is going to operate on the spread of hate and lies, it can damn well die like Truth Social or Twitter. If the people in charge are going to be the monsters they claim to oppose, they can damned well own it. I'm not married to Mastodon. I have my own project I'm participating in. I have options even if all options suck. But I demand honesty and transparency if I'm to trust in the milk of human kindness from so-called anti-fascists, and I'm not seeing that. If I keep my expectations low enough, I'll never be surprised.
(DIR) Post #APqrOwDG8faw8FnxD6 by DoctorRinny@qoto.org
2022-11-22T05:08:38Z
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@freemo @icedquinn - I’m sensing some “Trailer Park Boys” and Swearnet vibes here! Gotta try to take things as light as possible. I always say that if you hate the CEO, become the CEO. (How can anyone claim to be the CEO of a decentralized system? I’d ask him if he’d bother responding.) I’m not much impressed with Mastodon. But sadly all current social media options leave much to be desired. I do like the majority of the people I’ve met here though. I’m not leaving… yet anyway.