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(DIR) Post #APngigMh7jwasXilcW by e_urq@journa.host
2022-11-20T16:01:15Z
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This is from Scientific American, earlier this month.What looks likely to have happened in CO (being cautious bc I don't want to get ahead of the facts) is stochastic terrorism. This was predicted. It was inevitable. We have been screaming about this, in the LGBTQ+ community, and this is likely far from end, we'll see more and more, because the anti-trans rhetoric was always leading to this.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-stochastic-terrorism-uses-disgust-to-incite-violence/
(DIR) Post #APngigmvYCvaBtziVc by e_urq@journa.host
2022-11-20T16:03:21Z
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The worst of the misleading and inflammatory rhetoric is on the right, but it's not only on the right. It's in the mainstream as well. It's in the New York Times, it's in the Washington Post, and most likely, it's also in your local paper.If you're a journalist, odds are its in your organization, if they cover trans issues as a controversy or a both sides issue.It has killed already, and it will continue killing us.
(DIR) Post #APngim9nabC4qHjYLw by e_urq@journa.host
2022-11-20T16:08:34Z
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If you're part of this, by choice or by inaction, I can't make you do the right thing. But I will make you look at what you're doing to my community.I won't be quiet- until somebody comes for me, too. If that day comes, if you have seen these words and done nothing, I want it to be a dagger in your heart. I want it to eat away at you.
(DIR) Post #APngooqGWHO4uITkTA by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-20T16:25:54.864546Z
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@e_urq stochastic terrorism is not real
(DIR) Post #APnhGwh0vMF1MdYzB2 by CatboyCumDump@poa.st
2022-11-20T16:29:28.740125Z
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@e_urq @e_urq meme words, stochastic models aren't made for social sciences or psyop bullshit you fucking dunce. Go take a math class
(DIR) Post #APnhGxEgu9BD35JsfY by VHS_Archive@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-20T16:30:31.564650Z
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2 + 2 = you're on Poast so you're a pedophile 😱
(DIR) Post #APniOIdpokgPPz9ADA by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-20T16:43:32Z
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@e_urqWho told you that the worst of the misleading and inflammatory rhetoric is on the right?
(DIR) Post #APnj1lPamgFrwQIqEy by e_urq@journa.host
2022-11-20T16:50:32Z
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@swashberry https://www.assignedmedia.org/
(DIR) Post #APnj7ZosnQOHj6u7do by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-20T16:51:42Z
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@e_urqAnd why should I trust what the media has to say on the matter, given what you just told me?
(DIR) Post #APnjDfdy3WGDWihk6i by e_urq@journa.host
2022-11-20T16:52:43Z
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@swashberry You can trust or not trust. You asked for something, I provided it. What you do with that info is up to you entirely.
(DIR) Post #APnjKEJ85aQMlx5LdI by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-20T16:53:50Z
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@e_urqWhat a fascinatingly fragile way of interacting with the world.
(DIR) Post #APnkHM5OoPiLyyr9CS by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-20T17:04:37.466963Z
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@ageha my position is it would happen a lot more often.
(DIR) Post #APnkNG18HxlwtjfuMa by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-20T17:05:45.856291Z
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@ageha politically motivated killings.
(DIR) Post #APnkaFuxyBkcM0zMeW by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-20T17:07:03.352251Z
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@Moon @e_urq so when people who shoot up mosques or gay bars cite right wing influencer idiots in their manifestos, what is that? just an inevitable lone wolf attack?
(DIR) Post #APnkaGXbeWewHr4Dse by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-20T17:08:05.291180Z
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@chjara @e_urq yes.
(DIR) Post #APnkmcGkh4Jz9P4ZxQ by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-20T17:08:29.289211Z
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@Moon @e_urq bad post
(DIR) Post #APnkmclaqOzWh3VD1s by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-20T17:10:19.679282Z
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@chjara @e_urq I shouldn't have replied about it to a post about a bunch of people killed
(DIR) Post #APnmh0EOtFjvdeQLL6 by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-11-20T17:31:45Z
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@chjara @e_urq @Moon no it's domestic terrorism.
(DIR) Post #APnnE89SSoEll7uOno by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-11-20T17:37:25.860951Z
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@Moon That's not what this was. This was political grandstanding using the bodies as a grandstand, and it's disgusting. They rely on us to be too decent and polite to call them on their bullshit.@e_urq @chjara
(DIR) Post #APnoUiyHR7kOXb9mQC by hackbod@mastodon.social
2022-11-20T17:51:26Z
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@swashberry @e_urq What are you trying to claim? That the left has as much anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric as the right? That Q-Anon is as pervasive on the left as the right? That the left has the same number of election deniers?Even if you look at the areas where the left has typically been more off in the weeds, like the anti-vaxxers, the right seems to have taken that as a challenge and made it their own.So what are you claiming is the actual situation?
(DIR) Post #APnr1y0UkrCidcAhsG by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-20T18:20:17Z
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@hackbod @e_urqI'm not making a claim about what the "actual situation" is, I'm merely here to remind people that people who frame misinformation as a problem that is unique or somehow more prevalent among "the left" or "the right," whatever those are, tend to reveal only their own biases and nothing more.By way of example, you used "election deniers" as an example of a right-wing problem. Can you spell "collusion with Russia?"
(DIR) Post #APnu7ybzicLg77Gk0u by MrJM@mastodon.social
2022-11-20T18:54:59Z
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@swashberry Jesus Christ, this tedious shit again?
(DIR) Post #APnw3AuGmNyYhoegUK by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-20T19:16:34Z
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@MrJMI know, right? Fuckin' ridiculous.
(DIR) Post #APnwRKVwi4bXSAnPY8 by hackbod@mastodon.social
2022-11-20T19:20:49Z
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@swashberry @e_urq (1) Nobody is claiming that misinformation doesn't happen on the left. "Unique to the right" is a strawman.(2) The discussion was about anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric. If you are saying it is just as prevalent and problematic today on the right as left, well. Not much more to say.(3) You seem to be saying the left has the same amount of election denying as the right (again nobody will argue the left has none), which again... if so, not much more to say.
(DIR) Post #APnysnLLpd66an43Ki by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-20T19:48:19Z
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@hackbod @e_urq1) "Doesn't happen on the left" is a strawman.2) The discussion was about the prevalence of anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric on the right as opposed to the left and in the media. I didn't make any claims about whether it is more or less prevalent on the right or left, so there's not much more to say.3) I am saying that the left has the same amount of election denying as the right, because I pay attention to what people say :-)
(DIR) Post #APoBVmJkmJPQ9efk4u by hackbod@mastodon.social
2022-11-20T22:09:46Z
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@swashberryNobody was talking about anything being only on the left or right until you pulled out the word unique.Though you did mitigate that with "or somehow more prevalent."Giving you the benefit of the doubt, your position is that misinformation is exactly as prevalent+problematic on both the left and the right.Okay sure you can think that, but all evidence points to a bigger problem on the right.Just because there is some problem on the left doesn't mean they are the same.
(DIR) Post #APoBjbxm4ZdW5wzIwK by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-20T22:12:20Z
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@hackbodDo you see how it gets easier to follow a conversation when you pay attention to what people are saying instead of just extrapolating what you want them to have said? Now extend that out to the media you consume and observe the unfiltered content of what your philosophical allies and opponents are saying. You might find that life is full of surprises.
(DIR) Post #APoRoewQ1g8E2umag4 by hackbod@mastodon.social
2022-11-20T22:25:55Z
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@swashberry Um, I am not agreeing with you. I think you are wrong and pushing harmful bothsidesism. There is clearly no more discussion here.And let's be clear, your pedantic bothsidesism is here in the context of discussion about many people just killed at a gay bar and the clear right wing anti-LGBTQ+ messaging ("groomers" etc.) driving such stuff.
(DIR) Post #APoRofLaW6GTIyYguO by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-21T01:12:32Z
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@hackbodYes, clearly this is a problem that only afflicts one "side" of the aisle, specifically the people on the "right," whatever that means. I can't think of anything specifically that they said which directly caused it, but the people we can trust told us so, so we must blame them. There certainly isn't anything WE could have done to prevent this tragedy, except attack the characters of anyone who doesn't agree to unilaterally blame "the right."
(DIR) Post #APoRsrwRdIEZWZnnSC by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-21T01:13:17Z
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@hackbodWe certainly aren't contributing to negative views of the LGBTQ+ when we equate them with groomers in order to insinuate that "the right" are demonizing them, no sir.
(DIR) Post #APoS5cjhTh2Q86vHuK by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-21T01:15:35Z
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@hackbodAnd it most certainly is not on us that we took advantage of this tragedy in order to remind people that "the right" are propagandists who are attacking the characters of people.
(DIR) Post #APpLMJ0bXK5mGwcuLQ by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-21T11:34:53Z
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@hackbodIn order to even accuse me of "bothsideism," you have to treat this as though it's a black and white issue, which everyone here including you has acknowledged is not the case. If you're this upset about people not sufficiently blaming half the population for a mass shooting why are you getting on my case about it but not OP's?Also good job equating LGTBQ+ people with groomers. You're such a good ally, lol
(DIR) Post #APpLTAa5Gk04A3Uk9Q by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-21T11:36:07Z
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@hackbodIn order to even accuse me of "bothsideism," you have to treat this as though it's a black and white issue, which everyone here including you has acknowledged is not the case. If you're this upset about people not sufficiently taking advantage of a tragedy to slander the collective character of half the population why are you getting on my case about it but not OP's?Also good job equating LGTBQ+ people with groomers. You're such a good ally, lol
(DIR) Post #APpnXNYrkQ9sIHik3U by isaak@fosstodon.org
2022-11-21T16:50:22Z
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@swashberry @MrJM uhm, somehow I don't quite understand this conversation. Could you explain what you are so outraged about and how it relates to the topic?
(DIR) Post #APq9KHaaq3tCzyglzk by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-21T20:54:44Z
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@isaakI don't understand the question. I've been very clear in my statements and gone out of my way to relate them to the previous toots. Can you clarify what specifically is confusing you?I don't know where you got the idea that I was outraged about anything; you might reasonably accuse me of being pedantic, but I don't usually get outraged about people engaging in fallacious or misleading speech unless it directly incites hatred or violence. I have better things to worry about.
(DIR) Post #APq9yiyMRnW7Vg5ebI by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-21T21:02:00Z
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@slickrockwebI don't accept anything "without question," even when it comes from sources I trust, so I'm going to need more than an "I think you know that" from a bunch of randomers if that's fine with you. None of you have even clearly specified what you mean by "the right" in this context, so I don't know how the fuck you expect anyone to know what any of you are talking about. You must be really bad at SEO if you can't even outright say who it is you're accusing of inflammatory rhetoric.
(DIR) Post #APqAZdJ2ThXyeNMTU8 by slickrockweb@masto.ai
2022-11-21T21:08:40Z
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@swashberry 😘
(DIR) Post #APr124mR7PYdaIznyy by isaak@fosstodon.org
2022-11-22T06:56:32Z
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@swashberry well "tedious shit" and "ridiculous" were the words you used, afaik these do indicate outrage and I am just not getting at what you both were otraged so I would be grateful if you could explain 😅
(DIR) Post #APrCqkwLk4p0Jf098y by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-22T09:08:57Z
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@isaakI'm not outraged, I'm just compulsively driven to pursue truth where I can, and I take issue with people who play games with language in order to discredit others.For example, when the gentleman from earlier used "election deniers" as an example of right-wing people engaging in misinformation, that angered me because the accusation of "election denying" is not one that can be made uniquely against people on the right, but it is a cliché used for that purpose frequently.
(DIR) Post #APrD6aIx3InHxq7Y4O by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-22T09:11:49Z
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@isaakThe reason no one here has been able to answer even simple questions like "what is 'the right'" is that none of them know the answers. They say that "the right" engages in inflammatory rhetoric because they are simply expected to accept that information without question, and they do. That's what they think an educated opinion is, and they get angered when someone challenges them on it because they aren't actually educated, they only know what they are supposed to believe.
(DIR) Post #APrDbBC8SbVR42WOJc by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-22T09:17:21Z
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@isaakHackborn got the worst of my ire because they weren't even speaking to me, they were selectively reading sentence fragments that supported the straw man they had created in their mind. I don't put up with that. I'm not going to waste time standing in for an archetype. Anyone who refuses to engage with people as if they are individuals with diverse and nuanced opinions and perspectives is unworthy of my patience.
(DIR) Post #AUWE9sEvaUmfLjK40W by meowski@fluf.club
2023-04-10T19:35:10.979699Z
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@e_urq >Evan Urquhart is the community manager for Slate's comments sectionliteral tranny janny 🤢