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(DIR) Post #APmZX6CQLwW2grUEwS by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-11-20T03:29:35.479720Z
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The biggest problem with Discord on the internet IMO is how it's fuel for non-confrontational behavior online. It's the perfect thing for the mentally ill, power tripping piece of shit who hates you for some reason, won't tell you why, and wants you out right now. When you're kicked from a Discord server it vanishes from the list and so does the message history, so you can't see why either. The entire server is gone, and in the server in some "secret" admin room (which is visible with Ripcord/similar) they're too busy shit talking you.
(DIR) Post #APmZdchaQDUbEVApbU by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T03:30:46Z
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@PhenomX6 Discord isJewishClosed SourceSpyingBloatedElectronCentralizedMumble + IRC + XMPP are all better
(DIR) Post #APmZl89JtqyInAj2tE by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-11-20T03:32:06.490836Z
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@charliebrownau Yes, but it's also "dark patterns" in the design of the software as people would say that fuel the behavior of "people" on that service.
(DIR) Post #APmaDkjU2dykZ3HyYC by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T03:37:17Z
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@PhenomX6 Same types of people that areFeministVegansInternationalistsUse crapple Love office 'ribbon'
(DIR) Post #APmdD3D89df7RjVrhA by arcanicanis@were.social
2022-11-20T04:10:45.914202Z
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I think why Discord is such a haven to unstable guild admins/mods is because it sets such a low barrier-to-entry for a set of people to have power over something.In the earlier years of the internet when someone would start a community they had to actually put their money and time into it, deploy a server or website, maintain it, and work through any surprises that come up. Those are things that would filter out many of the people that want quick fix of control over something, without ever contributing anything, and expect everything to be easy and free to them.Since Discord is architected as such a silo, if you have an unstable admin that wants a final 'fvck you', they can just nuke it. Meanwhile with a website or other common services, it's usually possible for other admins/mods to have backups and be able to restore it elsewhere (you can't just 'reimport' contents of a Discord guild, comparatively).
(DIR) Post #APmg8S1ImpyGnzTjEW by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T04:43:34.871070Z
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@charliebrownau @PhenomX6 I agree completely, but personally, I feel completely forced into using Discord, both by IRL friends and online friends. There are a few people with whom I’d lose contact completely if I stopped using Discord. I only have two friends whom I convinced to install Mumble, and even they usually prefer to use Discord for VC (even though Mumble has lower-latency and better sound quality). Not to mention that there’s no way in hell I could get them on IRC/XMPP.The reality I’ve had to accept over the years is that normies don’t give a fuck about any of the things you mentioned, hell, even people with significant technical knowledge don’t always care. If we want people to use non-spyware open-source solutions, we have to make them just as convenient as Discord.I think Matrix got pretty close to this goal, while I have my issues with how bloated it is, it’s also a huge improvement from Discord.
(DIR) Post #APmhYFn0yvGwMAfBmS by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T04:59:26Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 ((( MATRIX )))) is just as bloated and created by the ((( ENEMY)))If anything we need a Mumble client that looks like Discord
(DIR) Post #APmhbb729zHVMCcbDs by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-11-20T05:00:00.571642Z
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@charliebrownau @ThighHighSock The thing Matrix has is a similar format and the ability to login to any device. Mumble isn't a text messaging app.
(DIR) Post #APmig31UQmsX25iLa4 by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T05:12:03.750642Z
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@PhenomX6 @charliebrownau I think an XMPP client combined with mumble is the solution, like, you’d have text channels, and joining a mumble server would be just one click. This way, voice comms would be integrated into a text messaging app.Don’t forget, Discord started as a way to replace Teamspeak, Mumble and Ventrillo. It was essentially a combination of Skype and the three aforementioned applications (except all in the cloud, so spyware essentially). It was initially extremely gamer-focused.Part of the issue was that Skype (for gamers) was good for messaging people, especially when they were offline. However, it was very shitty for voice, it lacked support for any more than 25 participants, it had super high latency (bad for gamers), poor sound quality, no push-to-talk support (bad for gamers who are in 20+ person voice channels), and coppy audio.On the contrary, Mumble and Teamspeak (Ventrillo is shit, I don’t understand why anyone would ever use it) had amazing voice support, but shitty messaging support. Your friends had to be online and in a specific server for you to send messages.If we want an open-source/non spyware solution to Discord, we have to offer a “swiss army knife” for communications. Right now, XMPP is great for messaging, but has no voice support.
(DIR) Post #APmme7DiFrVJHslWhE by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T05:56:28.855762Z
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@charliebrownau @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 The original Mumble client is good enough, no need for a soy client.Just let the normies on all the stuff they already destroyed, us chads will be on XMPP, IRC, Mumble, BBS, Newsgroups, Mailinglists, and all the other actually good stuff.
(DIR) Post #APmmkD2nVxNF5UZ9A8 by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T05:57:37Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock I always found Mumble is a good shittest to see if your half tech savy to actually work outUsernameServer NamePortPasswordIf they cant work it outthey are a shitcunt
(DIR) Post #APmnJSkH85RNv4iDmi by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T06:04:00.348337Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau Just let the normies on all the stuff they already destroyed, us chads will be on XMPP, IRC, Mumble, BBS, Newsgroups, Mailinglists, and all the other actually good stuff.That’s great, I like hanging out with chads and technically experienced people. However, I also have friends in real life (and online) with whom I would like to stay in touch without using spyware apps like Discord. As I’ve posted before, I have close friends with whom I would completely lose contact without Discord. For this reason, it’d be really nice to have a convenient, privacy friendly, open-source, decentralized, Discord alternative.
(DIR) Post #APmnZeYH08OpAaooT2 by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T06:06:51.870246Z
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@charliebrownau @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock The internet was such a better place when you had to have a functioning brain in order to even use it.So yea, this barrier of entry, whether real or not, is really the bullet proof way of gatekeeping idiots out.I sometimes get told "if you want people to use the darknet, XMPP, and all that, you'll need to make a satanphone crapp to make it as easy for them as clicking only 1 button.".I always reply, "why the fuck should I even make it easy for them to destroy the last good bits of technology!?".No seriously, it's exactly because the internet has become easier to use (ironically, I actually find modern websoytes harder to use than the old websites) that caused us to have massive amounts of censorship and growing, fucking idiots destroying everything the brightest have created, and everything on one hand, and the tradcucks stopping us from fixing the problem before it's too late by saying "YOU'LL BE JUST AS BAD AS THEM!!" which are part of the problem on the other hand.So yea, fuck all of them, let's keep the remaining few based technologies to just the nerds, and finally teach fellow nerds how to gatekeep and how to NOT make things easier to use (to automate the gatekeeping).
(DIR) Post #APmng8aeETA04N1Nyq by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T06:08:06.300056Z
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@charliebrownau @ryo @PhenomX6 When I've tried to get normies on Mumble, they've always had the most trouble with the Audio configuration wizard, especially the Speex codec config part (I think the talking voice confuses them, and for whatever reason, people just don't read directions anymore).I've had people set their mics to open transmission (or whatever it's called, I can't remember) because they couldn't understand the voice activity setup.For the most part, they understand the server-username-port.
(DIR) Post #APmnnOtK1VToebDeYy by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T06:09:21.771550Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau As a workaround you could just set up a private XMPP server with closed registrations.From my own experience, those people will only use XMPP to talk to you, and use other stuff for everyone else.As long as you set it all up for them, they'll have no problem using it just for you.
(DIR) Post #APmobOjasffEe8Vemu by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T06:18:25Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock Spot onBBSIRCFTPNewsgroupsWas a better era then the 'accessible' stupid cuntifed software
(DIR) Post #APmofcNK6fWe6w6ZRw by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T06:19:13.015747Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau I think I’ll give it a try, but quite frankly, some of my friends would have trouble even installing an XMPP client (I wish I was kidding about that)There must be a web front-end that I could set up though!From my own experience, those people will only use XMPP to talk to you, and use other stuff for everyone else.I’ve observed this phenomenon, with Mumble, my friends only used it to chat with me.
(DIR) Post #APmoxBTKs0OpswIFVo by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T06:22:18.352338Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau > There must be a web front-end that I could set up though!There is one.Can't remember the name of it, but something that ends with ",js", as it's a JS client.However, it's filled with bugs (what else do you expect from a JS soyware?), and I think OMEMO doesn't work on it either.
(DIR) Post #APmoyhkGMhnEGew5wm by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T06:22:39.840075Z
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@charliebrownau @ryo @PhenomX6 IRC The worst part is that IRC is super easy to use, people are just really fucking stupid. Just open a client, connect to IRC server and port and do /msg nickserv REGISTER <e-mail> <password>The hardest part is concealing my IP address (most networks block Tor).
(DIR) Post #APmpAw3cyhfo8DpGMq by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T06:24:48.851110Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau You'll be surprised by how many people find it difficult though.And yes, most IRC servers block Tor, which is just ridiculous.076's IRC server doesn't block Tor though, and even if you don't use Tor, IP address is pretty well hidden, it's a feature of Ergo (IRC server software).
(DIR) Post #APmpNW5ipaoLManwvI by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T06:27:07Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock Some of the servers I found use vhosts to hide your ip also
(DIR) Post #APmpWAXwItrd9K83Jw by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T06:28:42.768626Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau You’ll be surprised by how many people find it difficult though.Trust me, I’m well aware that many people find it difficult lmfao.IP address is pretty well hidden, it’s a feature of Ergo (IRC server software).This kind of thing needs to be standard on sooo many IRC servers.
(DIR) Post #APmpeDNvdNLyGmHbUm by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T06:30:09Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @ryo Assume everyone is Stupid BrainwashedSheepleMakes it easier to deal with
(DIR) Post #APmqsqNrX9GHENn8Uq by Beefki@noagendasocial.com
2022-11-20T06:44:01Z
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@charliebrownau @ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock It was better because it naturally gatekept retards off of the platform.
(DIR) Post #APmrFA4uzUSMgPZY7E by nk@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T06:45:44.789731Z
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@ryo@charliebrownau @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock Yet, making it easier is a good approach. Because not everyone has this understanding of how it works technically, how to set it up, and how lately to maintain it. Look, just a rough example, if I want to listen to music I don't want to set up the proper frequency, calibrate speakers, and write a proper command in several lines. Because in the end, I will forget what I wanted to do.
(DIR) Post #APmrFAeMrgoSSM9rN2 by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T06:48:02.347232Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo Look, the point isn't to have a lot of people, the point is to have quality people.Ease of use is nice and all, but ultimately, an Internet of just nerds (which is what you'll find on eepsites and to a much lesser extent onion sites) is a cool thing in itself.The point is to keep people out who don't understand what's going on technically.
(DIR) Post #APmrUbmyFJKKyAXk92 by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T06:50:45.572349Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau > Because not everyone has this understanding of how it works technically, how to set it up, and how lately to maintain it.Which is exactly the point.Just like there are job interviews to gatekeep parasites out who would otherwise just leech money until the company goes bankrupt, there should be a barrier to entry to gatekeep idiots out who would otherwise demand destructive measures, government involvement, and mass surveillance to make it "easier" and "safer" for them to use.
(DIR) Post #APmrcxmsL92NVsTyue by nk@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T06:51:18.795907Z
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@ThighHighSock@PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo Nerds can be lame in tech
(DIR) Post #APmrcyC2pZAclwG58y by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T06:52:20.929380Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo They're better than normies...
(DIR) Post #APmsyTImSrdpI0E3tI by nk@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T07:02:21.826934Z
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@ryo@PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau It was you who said “if you don't know how to set up and maintain it then hire someone who knows”. Now you changed your mind?
(DIR) Post #APmsyTmYg9ScmM9qIy by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T07:07:22.546116Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau Yes.I'm not forever stuck in the same mindset, so when I'm proven wrong, I change my mind accordingly.I was actually getting worried for a while that Fedi will get destroyed by the Twitfugees, and I'm glad to seeing Fedi fight back and actually fix the problem while it's still fixable, which also shows that I'm not the only one capable of doing so.
(DIR) Post #APmuBBBrDMMApsbwBM by nk@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T07:13:20.624650Z
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@ryo@PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau Then you will not get "quality people" because there are different mindsets. You will get only IT nerds.
(DIR) Post #APmukotrZB6e83BlxY by victor@crucible.world
2022-11-20T07:27:21.250666Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ThighHighSock @ryo "IT nerds" are higher quality people than the vast majority of other people on comment-based sites.If I were making a social site, I'd choose ten IT nerds over a hundred "general population" commentators. It would be a tougher decision a decade or two ago.
(DIR) Post #APmwQvgapIwJI9coxE by arcanicanis@were.social
2022-11-20T07:46:10.479705Z
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I'm assuming you mean Converse.js? https://conversejs.org/There's also Movim: https://movim.eu/Both do OMEMO. The latter option is fairly new and experimental, can be added as a PWA on mobile.If it's your own server for a few people, and there's reasonable trust that the server isn't compromised, TLS could be "good enough". (Plus if you run your own server, the TLS version support can be tightened and other hardening tweaks)Otherwise "Monocles Chat" for a better-maintained Conversations fork (Android native application): https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.monocles.chat/If Movim is used, I'd recommend a self-hosted install of it, as I think the Movim backend handles the actual XMPP C2S connection to the server.
(DIR) Post #APnwB7XdAtnaaMr49A by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T19:18:03.270871Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo Everything about IT nerds is higher quality than normies. Normies are destroying our current clearnet by flocking to centralized, spyware services (such as Discord, Facebook, etc.) and thus creating a “network” effect where others are almost forced to use them.Normies are enabling the corrupt financial system by refusing to use Monero, and insisting on credit cards. Even worse, many see cryptocurrency as “investment opportunities” and cause the prices to be volatile. They keep their coins in central exchanges, or even worse, investment apps such as Robinhood (which does not even allow you to send your bitcoins to an actual address).Normies are destroying what little freedom the clearnet has left, by demanding that companies such as Cloudflare drop clients because they’re controversial.Normies treat the Internet like real life, they make things less fun by being offended by people acting like retards for fun.I’m not saying that any of these things are exclusive to normies, there are nerds cough cough trannies who do the same thing, but it’s a lot more common amongst normies.A network of exclusively IT nerds would be much more pleasant. The i2p community demonstrates this pretty well!
(DIR) Post #APo8lR2DNLDauyF70S by nk@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T21:37:57.646457Z
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@ThighHighSock@PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo There are also quality non-IT-nerds people. How to deal with them?
(DIR) Post #APo8lRhKuS6yyVTx6O by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T21:39:03.790961Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo I mean, look, yea, there might be a few quality non-IT nerds, but the benefit of excluding normies is far greater than the cost.
(DIR) Post #APoDwcw3y6qcmeWOAq by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T22:37:06Z
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@nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @ryo No such thing as good quality non it nerds friendsMost sheeple have nothing in common with us
(DIR) Post #APoEBBWm9WAQ7idRcu by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T22:39:44Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @nk @ryo Ive been Moving to physical cashprepaid debt cardsBills paid in 3-6-12 months lotsI dont trust any DIGITAL ((( CYPTO)))
(DIR) Post #APoEvpbjT6VXkZCErY by nk@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T21:42:39.879405Z
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@ThighHighSock@PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo Sad point
(DIR) Post #APoFDMCTXjBHl0juuO by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T22:51:18.368661Z
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@charliebrownau @nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock I do agree there are exceptions.There are good quality non-IT nerds and bad quality IT nerds out there, but both ways is just a tiny percentage.Good non-nerds can be thought of as newcomers with legit interest in IT willing to learn how to use computers the right way.So I don't really mind non-nerds to be online if that's for them being willing to learn and adapt to the online culture, rather than them wanting to destroy it.
(DIR) Post #APoFmlMdyYXrwBNX04 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2022-11-20T22:57:44Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @nk @ryo Fucking off to the remote corner doesn't solve the problem with normies using credit cards.
(DIR) Post #APoFugjf4LhVtkvLXs by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2022-11-20T22:59:10Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @nk @ryo I actually would like normies to be more tech-savvy. Weather you like it or not, the choices they make affect all of us.
(DIR) Post #APoHlsL8kpjnBuNbsm by ThighHighSock@rdrama.cc
2022-11-20T23:20:00.141783Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @nk I actually agree with this, the kinds of people who can't figure out IRC aren't like that solely due to a lack of technical experience, but due to apathy, and not wanting to learn.
(DIR) Post #APoHs9Si0Xve21ueBc by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T23:21:07Z
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@ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @nk @ryo Its really pissed me off Ive come across people over the last 25 years that refuse to learn computersYet they have a portable tracking deviceUse fakebookuse ATM machinesand know how stop signs workRefusal to learn certain things
(DIR) Post #APoILWMdwA5DSY513A by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T23:26:19.629616Z
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@charliebrownau @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @nk > use ATM machines> and know how stop signs workWhy are these 2 things bad?
(DIR) Post #APoJCPWG7J6DZunUmG by charliebrownau@pieville.net
2022-11-20T23:35:59Z
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@ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @nk Missing my pointThey are willing to understand and work out certain tech when they are forced too
(DIR) Post #APoJiSbcB31YPvaKUS by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-11-20T23:41:40.773223Z
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@charliebrownau @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @nk Ah, I see.
(DIR) Post #APs3HeK5eDGXEFFbUm by kino@fedi.intkos.link
2022-11-22T18:56:28.909Z
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@PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com Not a problem if you don't use Discord.