Post APk2QijkzFzRNkVc0W by freemo@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #APjtRXBGXVMkF7gmhM by frayoshi@qoto.org
2022-11-17T13:33:55Z
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I notice that in the past I created another #account on @frayoshi which I would like to move to this one.One #problem: the other account is like 20 minutes newer than this and more over, I'm not actually "moving from" that one, but want just to redirect like if I was moving from there.. Not sure if this is the correct procedure.. I was going to delete it, but then I read that the account handle will no longer be usable and I want to keep my doors open :blob3c:
(DIR) Post #APjtRXqk3IXiJl5uLY by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-17T14:10:29Z
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@frayoshi @frayoshi Usually I'd say 'use the move feature' since that can be undone easily. But I see that mograph.social seems to be blocking qoto.org, so that won't work.Best you can do is just put in your profile description that you're active on qoto.org.
(DIR) Post #APjtRYNi4iujy0WEjY by frayoshi@qoto.org
2022-11-17T15:17:16Z
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oh... that's sad @trinsec ! I wonder why :blobcatneutral: Great advice, didn't think about it!! :blob3c:
(DIR) Post #APjtRYoeSYStJZ7kjA by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-17T15:23:35Z
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@frayoshi Some instances block other instances if the other instances federate with yet other instances that would break their rules.It doesn't make much sense because anything we would boost from the rule-breakers wouldn't reach them anyway because they get blocked.But I see in their blocking reason references to kiwifarms and gab, but they have not been federating in the Fediverse for a while now, so it's an ancient relic from the past.
(DIR) Post #APjtRa29vord5kS3Q8 by frayoshi@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:16:51Z
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I tried @trinsec … :blobcatmeltcry:“not gonna discuss this here for the n-th time. We’re not federating with qoto, full stop.”~ @mauro admin
(DIR) Post #APjtRaYlyYx4iti6Fs by frayoshi@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:25:43Z
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I can’t believe it @trinsec @freemo , got blocked by the admin of mograph.social for kindly asking to unblock #qoto, definitely a nasty place :ablobnervous: Just sad for those people I wanted to follow that are in there, 1 in particular which is important to me :blob_cry:
(DIR) Post #APjtXecfmbU53sQWXI by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:29:32Z
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@frayoshiIt takes a special level of toxicity to block someone for politely approaching you and trying to mend fences and address concerns… What are ya gonna do though, my letter to them could not have been more respectful. The way I see when an instance is this level of toxicity its probably best they blocked you.@trinsec
(DIR) Post #APjtnx8qhJLX89FTua by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:32:29Z
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@frayoshiI just took a peek at their instance… They have 640 users and a block list so long my finger got a cramp scrolling through it…. good riddance.@trinsec
(DIR) Post #APju3D7TZgLR1psk6q by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:35:14Z
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@freemo I guess it’s one of those cases where they’d rather want a whitelist instead.@frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APju4I1QpgJuWUZMUS by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:32:32Z
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@frayoshi Not much that can be done about it I’m afraid. There are a lot of small instances like that unfortunately. :(If you want to be able to follow the posts of those few, you can still subscribe to them (but they won’t be able to see your comments).I’m afraid you’ll have to discuss with your buddies what to do if you want to be able to interact with them. Maybe one of you two move, maybe both move. I wish you good luck in trying to reconnect with them!@freemo
(DIR) Post #APju4IUr4Hr7zkKrLs by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:35:23Z
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@trinsec Your friends are always most welcome at qoto of course, and there are tons of reasonable instances worth joining too.@frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APjuEFw9RLIix4qs3k by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:37:15Z
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@trinsecThey are free to do as they wish.. i just find it funny people join an instance that can talk to only a handful of other instances and then still claim they joined the fediverse… you didnt, you joined a forumn :)@frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APjuEjfWthpZADJ1Jg by frayoshi@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:37:23Z
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Thanks @freemo @trinsec ,I will stay away from them and suggest them to join #qoto :blob3c:
(DIR) Post #APjuPU1XPDA1pKj05I by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:39:12Z
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@frayoshiI can tell you this, with the level of toxicity at that instance you are probably making the right choice.@trinsec
(DIR) Post #APjuwSNAZ6yOGKZ8a0 by emma@niscii.xyz
2022-11-18T20:45:18.744Z
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@frayoshi@qoto.org @trinsec@qoto.org @freemo@qoto.org wow that was rude af. another reason why fedi would be better if everyone was on their own personal instance
(DIR) Post #APjvCCfKjPQOBIZQOW by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:47:56Z
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@emma Usually the toxicity/rudeness of an instances admin is directly proportional to the size of their block list. Not even surprised.Sadly from a technical standpoint there are huge issues with single user instances, particularly at scale.@trinsec @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APjvk0ZoBWPaX86bmS by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:54:15Z
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@frayoshi @trinsec @freemo Drop mograph.social and it's admins onto the list of violators of us amendment on FS.Cc @xaphanpl @Johncdvorak @adam
(DIR) Post #APjw8EQAMZA2QB97HU by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:58:36Z
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@frayoshi @trinsec @freemo @xaphanpl @Johncdvorak @adam PS. Most probably a jurisdiction of hosting company matters, but that might need a double check.
(DIR) Post #APjwfus1Yg67dEEqae by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:01:22Z
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@frayoshi @trinsec @freemo - stange - the twitter-mastodon retweeter at https://crossposter.masto.donte.com.br/ has qoto.org on a block list too - i asked the admin why, but got no reply - very odd.
(DIR) Post #APjwfvqdvIaSfEbG4m by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:04:37Z
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@cain_robuse moaparty, its better and doesnt block.@frayoshi @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APjwvnx33CO0o3AGfo by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:07:34Z
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@frayoshi @trinsec @freemo Let's make a #fediblock into #fedibollocks again.
(DIR) Post #APjxIRhJxI2QRqbX5E by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:11:34Z
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@cain_robSeriously moa party is superior software:https://moa.party/@frayoshi @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APjxbgFa4bhz5HniyW by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:15:05Z
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@freemo @frayoshi @trinsec brilliant. thanks for that. done :)
(DIR) Post #APjyPUc1cKUtT83FgG by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:24:01Z
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@freemo @frayoshi @trinsec do you know how long it takes/how often it cross posts?
(DIR) Post #APjykJwYTl0cSeaNPs by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:27:53Z
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@cain_robIt usually happens within minutes@frayoshi @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APjz1AOfE5otm9lZAm by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:30:51Z
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@freemo @emma @trinsec @frayoshi Explanation:::::::" Federates with instances that violate our ToS/CoC (such as Gab, Kiwi farms.cc, freespeechextremist.com, etc.)This is per::fba.ryona.agency/?domain=qoto.org
(DIR) Post #APjz9ydmIyKjv92LXE by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:32:21Z
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@lucifargundam You may want to consider removing that post for your own personal interest... a LOT of people think that tool is unethical and they have been attacking/blockingn people who use it.@emma @trinsec @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APjzIpbHHnXWUN5bMG by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:34:06Z
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@freemo @frayoshi @trinsec thanks. mine seem slightly delayed at the moment (cross-posted both ways approx 10 mins ago). will it continue cross-posting in the background if one ‘logs out’ of moa.party, or do i need to be permanently logged into it (using oauth via twitter+qoto logins)?
(DIR) Post #APjzP1aVd55hPBgPTM by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:35:09Z
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@cain_robOnce you configure it to start cross posting, and then close the window, it will cross post forever… I set mine up years ago and its still going and never stopped.@frayoshi @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APjzeVjDqkTZED8vKq by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:37:58Z
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@freemo @frayoshi @trinsec thanks. i clicked the ‘log out’ button at foot of page, (after changing a couple of configs to use the #xp ). maybe i shouldn’t have done that. i’ll try again later without logging out.
(DIR) Post #APk0QNWldy2xh48sz2 by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:41:48Z
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@freemo @frayoshi @trinsec - aha! my cross-post from twitter has just appeared on my qoto.org timeline (just awaiting the converse cross-post to appear on twitter now…)
(DIR) Post #APk0QO9PKIxHcuDkDA by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:44:51Z
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@freemo @frayoshi @trinsec - and now my cross-posting to twitter from mastadon qoto.org has appeared on twitter. so took approx 25 mins on this occasion (& seems one can safely ‘log out’ of moa.party & it does continue cross-posting in the background (as expected)) :)
(DIR) Post #APk0QOahgon0zYzXl2 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:46:33Z
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@cain_robused to take <5 minutes… must be all the load.@frayoshi @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APk0YQcM2S0ratatTE by cain_rob@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:48:04Z
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@freemo @frayoshi @trinsec makes sense. quite a mip-heavy app i shouldn’t wonder. thanks for your help :)
(DIR) Post #APk0kD9ZvKLHJKkjbc by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:50:15Z
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@freemo @emma @trinsec @frayoshi Wasn't aware of that, but i suppose that may make sense to some people. Thanks.
(DIR) Post #APk0xUmLhjMpjuDonY by bolapara@qoto.org
2022-11-18T21:52:40Z
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@freemo @emma @trinsec @frayoshi Can you explain the technical issues with single user instances? I was contemplating this.
(DIR) Post #APk2BeLh1Hm5Qe4CpM by DecaturNature@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:06:31Z
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@frayoshi @trinsec @freemo I looked at the mograph blocklist and see that QOTO is off-limits because it federates with sites that mograph doesn’t like. Do you know why that matters to them? Are they concerned that discussions involving mograph users would be visible to those other sites?
(DIR) Post #APk2QijkzFzRNkVc0W by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:09:07Z
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@DecaturNatureIts either a lack of understanding or intentional misinformation. But its a common trope.Basically many instances are under the false misconception that if they block a server, and a server they dontn block boosts content from it, then it can be seen by their server (or vice versa)…The reality is that is false (we have tested it a few times and verified it is untrue)… you can only see a boosted post if you can see the original post. This is clear because boosting doesnt replicate the content, it just links it. Plus like i said we tested it.@frayoshi @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APk2vrNAvgIF8tnLOq by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:14:39Z
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@freemo Actually, I’ve seen there’s a mindset going that if you give a platform to nazis, that you’re enabling them. Basically the ‘if you are not against them, then you are for them’.Either you block nazis, or you are a nazi. It’s a quite black and white worldview for them.@DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APk3ii1GUfXuK5q7HM by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:23:37Z
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@trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi It's rumored that Nazis invented the microwave.If everyone uses microwaves, are they supporting Nazis?Such logic is beyond my ability to rationalize the justification.
(DIR) Post #APk49DGIxOomkWVpKK by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:28:29Z
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@trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi Can can I can I drop my fav song? It would sooo match the situation... Pretty please?
(DIR) Post #APk4HftQOLShraqT3I by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:29:43Z
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@PawelK @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi Dunno what you're planning, but I'd rather want to keep this whole thing civil. 🤨
(DIR) Post #APk4SnPUmbVWMa9JCK by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:32:00Z
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@trinsec @PawelK @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi Define... Civil....https://youtu.be/7E-_J5WWkoc
(DIR) Post #APk4VkdfXka2dXBiCG by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:32:30Z
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@trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi Then I will just link to YT so clear link, mkay? A cringy sidenote and element that really bothers me whenever I see a 'n' word type 2 and I knew some of her man's like that.
(DIR) Post #APk4hpoC9F2i94sC5g by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:34:41Z
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@PawelK @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi That ... was totally undecipherable for me. :PBut I'll let Freemo take over because I'm going to bed and can't be arsed.Just make sure that I'm not having to douse fires tomorrow morning. :P
(DIR) Post #APk4iCe3F7awyHIuyO by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:34:47Z
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@trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi If not civilised enough, I will trim it away. Signals the issue or two with word contexts. Linguistics etc.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ToEvz-7trY
(DIR) Post #APk4nPSB351A8zEUoC by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:35:32Z
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@trinsec Really? You mean that wasnt inn dutch?@PawelK @DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APk4qTgblfSK8lRhgG by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:36:16Z
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@PawelK Oh boy, people will totally get the wrong idea with those images. Let's not.. I have no idea what's said, so I can't judge for the audible content.@freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APk4sCDZgYoEXhgWmW by lucifargundam@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:36:33Z
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@PawelK @trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi .... huh?
(DIR) Post #APk4tLU0iv8xZEv9l2 by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:36:33Z
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@freemo @trinsec @DecaturNature @frayoshi Slavglish.
(DIR) Post #APk4x6REbMMq46PjHM by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:37:29Z
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@trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi Removed okay.
(DIR) Post #APk4yzbD04rhQuyqZM by trinsec@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:37:47Z
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@PawelK Thank you.@freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APk50og4Zqtm8j7pL6 by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:38:10Z
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@trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi Np. My bad. See. I'm trying to adapt.
(DIR) Post #APk5Lc0WsaAAvRbrgO by War_Kittens@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:38:12Z
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@trinsec @freemo @DecaturNature @frayoshi I mean, you can’t block all the Nazis. It’s impossible. But I have faith you’d actually block kiwi etc if they existed.
(DIR) Post #APk5LcW4zHOsVIN3rM by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:41:46Z
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@War_KittensPersonal block or instance wide?@trinsec @DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APk5b9pXPSAAAVshO4 by War_Kittens@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:44:38Z
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@freemo @trinsec @DecaturNature @frayoshi I mean. There’s nothing redeemable about them. They’ve caused widespread violence against trans people. Proven violence. Federating with that kind of instance makes no sense of we are supposed to be protecting LGBTQ+.
(DIR) Post #APk5kkzMcmYs1I3RoG by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:46:23Z
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@PawelK I really respect and appreciate your efforts. Takes a person of integrity to be the better man, even when it is deserved :)@trinsec @DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APk6J0PJnxlvgZWeVk by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T22:52:25Z
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@War_KittensWe did federate with them when they existed, but it was at the explicit request of our LGBTQ community and for their safety, it is important to know why.Many of the LGBTQ were monitoring accounts there for the purpose of warning their community of calls to violence and doxxing. Other options (like signing up directly on the server) for them would have put them at more risk so they were here with the purpose of safely monitoring while keeping their ip and other information private.In fact the subscription feature we now have was specifically added to their server for their benefit, so they could follow those accounts without being identified as a follower, further protecting them.It was discussed on multiple occasions if we could find some alternative and potentially block the servers but for many reasons discussed we decided it was best to keep federation. In the end being able to see bad-actors, and therefore be informed was a far better choice than being blind to their violence and crippling the victims in some vain attempt to spite the bad actors.@trinsec @DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APkA04Cbs2Bbloo2Qy by War_Kittens@qoto.org
2022-11-18T23:33:55Z
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@freemo @trinsec @DecaturNature @frayoshi :blobcatthinking: That’s a very fair reason. It’s a shame no one will understand that. It’s a bigger shame there’s no other way to monitor on Mastodon other than join or federate.
(DIR) Post #APkAFf6gwV1iZUTSxk by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-18T23:36:47Z
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@War_KittensIts not that there are no other ways, its more so that the other alternatives all put people at risk or inconvience the victims without much benefit.For example they could use the builtin RSS feeds, problem is many accounts that are masto based dont have them, and this would also expose their IP addresses… They could also use a VPN but if they forgot to use a VPN even once then again, they are at risk… also none of these methods give access to follower only toots.In the end there are lots of alternatives but all of them inconvenience or harm the victim and really server no purpose.@trinsec @DecaturNature @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APkFFdbL2YXZfkcIrI by Biggles@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:29:48Z
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@frayoshi @emma @freemo @bolapara @trinsec this please - I'm trying to even understand the point of a single user instance. Control?
(DIR) Post #APkFFeKMLAYLvNgG24 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:32:44Z
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@Biggles No one can ban you if you run your own server. No one can force you to adhere to their instance wide block list if you are in charge..The downside is you have no foice as no one federates with you and your federation footprint is dictated by your size as an instance.@frayoshi @emma @bolapara @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APkFSGhRUzfUPQUja4 by Biggles@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:34:59Z
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@trinsec @frayoshi @freemo @emma @bolaparaBut - they can ban your server, no? I honestly don't see any difference between "I got banned" and "my single user server got banned". People are weird.
(DIR) Post #APkFqJe8C9wgUvPdvE by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:39:24Z
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@Biggles Yes, but there is a difference.If your instance admin bans you you loose all your post history, cant transfer to anotther instance and, at least under your old identity, are blocked from ALL servers and all your followers.On a single user instance when someone or a group of instances block you thenn only those instances block you. You can always just migrate and get a fresh start (perhaps even to a new single user instance) or stay where you are and be blocked only by a subset of the fediverse and continue to operate.@trinsec @frayoshi @emma @bolapara
(DIR) Post #APkG5CDo58JpoZC9XE by Biggles@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:42:01Z
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@emma @freemo @bolapara @frayoshi @trinsecHmm. Ok, makes sense. Control. Easier to try to be a decent person, but to each his own. :-)
(DIR) Post #APkG9H1UAln7rcNNxI by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:42:51Z
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@Biggles Being a decent person on a tolerant instance is the best solution, yea... probem is there are so many toxic instances you can be a decent person and still loose it all. so pick your instance carefully :)@emma @bolapara @frayoshi @trinsec
(DIR) Post #APkGKYiCkIIPuWjs5Q by frayoshi@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:44:53Z
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Listen to @freemo @Biggles! That's the whole reason why this thread exists :ablobderpy:
(DIR) Post #APkGSwr2rsLJ6WsH3o by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:46:25Z
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@frayoshi I'd be much happier if we all just try and listen to eachother... but if we cant do that, sure, ill settle for everyone listening to me :)@Biggles
(DIR) Post #APkGySY94mG0Nl3lsu by Biggles@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:46:33Z
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@frayoshi @freemo heh - he's too late with that advice, I already picked his server...
(DIR) Post #APkGyT09OeetmcA8XI by frayoshi@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:51:01Z
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You picked the best one, @Biggles :blobcat_sip: @freemo
(DIR) Post #APkGyTNXzfNExB6p0K by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:52:03Z
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@frayoshi I might be a bit biased, but I agree :)@Biggles
(DIR) Post #APkHRGGro5e6hMiBua by Biggles@qoto.org
2022-11-19T00:57:16Z
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@frayoshi @freemo I'm not complaining - mostly because nothing to complain about, but also because I know what an enormous time/money/energy sink running this instance can be, especially with the refugee influx. Extra unpaid part-time job at best. In case you haven't heard it today, thank you.
(DIR) Post #APkHbe9LsgHveY9Hbk by emma@niscii.xyz
2022-11-19T00:59:16.998Z
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@Biggles@qoto.org @freemo@qoto.org @bolapara@qoto.org @frayoshi@qoto.org @trinsec@qoto.org the person that made this thread literally just got banned off an instance for asking a harmless question about moderation. were they not being a "decent person"? on my own instance if i get blocked i simply move on with my life but this person is going to have to start over somewhere else when they didn't even do anything wrong.
(DIR) Post #APkHxmVnTJSbxTCa4e by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T01:03:11Z
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@Biggles Honestly most of that is a nonissue for me. The new people are all a complete joy, serious, we havent had tto ban not one bad actor yet, its extraordinary! the costs are not even noticeable for me (I am very lucky). The only issue tht ever crops up is the toxicity of a few nasty instances... some faux good guys who throw around the nazi label, and some legit bad actors who are wanna be nazis, swastika and all... Luckily the toxic instances are a minority here on the fediverse, but as the admin I deal with them constantly and it is draining.@frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APkI6iwu5UJvVy93Eu by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T01:04:49Z
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@emma I think you misread the tread... no one was saying the original poster wasnt being a decent person. we were discussing the merits of a single use instance and why people who arent decent people might gravitate towards one.@trinsec @Biggles @bolapara @frayoshi
(DIR) Post #APkITerPSGqxUiVk6C by emma@niscii.xyz
2022-11-19T01:09:03.166Z
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@freemo@qoto.org @trinsec@qoto.org @Biggles@qoto.org @bolapara@qoto.org @frayoshi@qoto.org yea i got that, i just don't think it's reasonable to say that if you are decent you don't benefit from being on your own instance. i mean your instance gets blocked just for federating with other instances so im sure you understand that every person's idea of decent varies
(DIR) Post #APkIn0G07vwtMCEoOO by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-19T01:12:23Z
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@emma Of course, I dont think anyone was saying that all people on single user instances are decent people... at least I wasnt.