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(DIR) Post #APesWpyL1rq2E8o7we by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-12T05:58:08Z
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Can anyone recommend a good instance that is not forbidding words no matter in what context they are used?
(DIR) Post #APesWqacjWSm8sihcW by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:24:43.236347Z
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@clipperchip infosec has rules against this? interestingour instance is art-themed and i cant really think of any general and/or tech instances that fit the bill, while still being well-federated. lot of instances get blocked for "free speech" no matter their intent
(DIR) Post #APesfpoiyVhaLubKQi by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:25:44Z
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@opal I called myself an "old fag" and was warned for "hate speech" - which was then retracted after I had a good talk with the moderator who issues the warning (which is why I stayed).
(DIR) Post #APesmaA7ZtBZpJpJoW by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:27:33.117013Z
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@clipperchip yeah @jerry is generally understanding but probably feels under pressure to stay in good terms with the rest of fedi, this is the kind of hair trigger i refer to over speech
(DIR) Post #APesxeP49MkWAK5wLg by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:29:30.513764Z
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@opal @clipperchip well-federated and does not explicitly ban any words seems to be exclusive-over-time yeah. even if the instance does in fact never use certain words - cause its users just happen to not - the *abscence* of rules explicitly against that is enough to get defedded very often
(DIR) Post #APet4SfIBuTRmqvrEG by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:30:44.190863Z
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@clipperchip i personally dont mind offtopic on malart but we do have a policy to have most discussion "unlisted" so this may be a dealbreaker as far as post visibility. there's still a bit of a theme here
(DIR) Post #APet4VQVvJR2Lt2b6u by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:29:13Z
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@opal @jerry It wasn't Jerry. Either way, I was able to clear that up. I think now I am allowed to call myself an "old fag". Context matters. "Fag" is not automatically a derogatory word.
(DIR) Post #APet8TVJ0vR9XzAtjU by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:31:31.996020Z
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@clipperchip @jerry yeah it's one of the less-inflammatory words especially when a lot of queer people reclaim it themselves, but not everyone shares my opinion. war over words, lol.
(DIR) Post #APetBTP1qYvy6NfVlw by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:30:28Z
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@tarperfume @opal This does not sound good :(
(DIR) Post #APetEIUOsYDF7iWlwO by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:32:35.662559Z
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@clipperchip @jerry if you all worked it out over there, though, cool
(DIR) Post #APetNYEdhofMZ3ZI48 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:34:10.866997Z
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@clipperchip @opal it is not! it's a culture that's hard to push against, because it explicitly denies you the only arena you have to do so - if they defed you, you can't talk to them, or their users, about why this is an attitude productive to nothing goodthe only thing we can do is make our own spaces unlike that, and live by other principles. the impact of that is limited, but it's not about winning the world i suppose. more just keeping a part of it as your own
(DIR) Post #APetRD24TkUZxoQxUW by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:34:55.400086Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip strength in numbers, gamers rise up
(DIR) Post #APetSdY1NgKyUO3iVc by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:35:04Z
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@opal @jerry In the UK "fag" means "butt". Cigarette butt.
(DIR) Post #APetUmAYIVafo76LtQ by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:35:30.409629Z
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@opal @clipperchip we have risen up so often we might as well be in constant insurrection
(DIR) Post #APetZuHdYYCwQArV5M by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:36:26.372454Z
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@clipperchip @jerry and kiwis call their friends cunts yeah im well aware loli grew up on 4chan so im well aware of the lingo there
(DIR) Post #APetbvmowIQNf5PfXs by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:36:52.078276Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip how else are we supposed to rise and grind every morning
(DIR) Post #APetkzUqVxydm5KFYO by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:37:41Z
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@tarperfume @opal I am (looks around in a paranoid way) free speech absolutist. But I need to emphasize that this does not extend to insults or derogatory speech in any kind. But I am not a fan of "hate speech" because this has been misused as an excuse for unjustified censorship too often. This has too much of a 1984 vibe.
(DIR) Post #APetoMxnimK3QPTpCa by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:39:06.773741Z
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@clipperchip @tarperfume freedom of (dis)association is something trolls always forget. theyre free to say shit but not spam me into oblivion
(DIR) Post #APetpNTVJ0WNIgn1E0 by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:38:56Z
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@opal @jerry Exactly, and if I call you a cunt now, with a smiley attached, no moderator should interfere with this. Unless you take offense, which I doubt you'd do.
(DIR) Post #APetux50M4VlAtzL4i by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:40:18.360795Z
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@clipperchip nah that'd be cuntural appropriation
(DIR) Post #APetviC3Bh4dIMe85A by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:40:02Z
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@opal @tarperfume xkcd had a popular comic about that. Don't confuse free speech with people thinking you behave like an asshole :)
(DIR) Post #APetxVZH6EbaiXMkC0 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:40:39.083728Z
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@opal @clipperchip you grind the weed for your morning joint before going to bed, obviously. stays on the nightstand
(DIR) Post #APetz9ZTqzNP4iFLfs by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:40:55Z
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@opal The worst possible offense! 🙄​
(DIR) Post #APeu682pvZXsMrItPM by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:42:15.364631Z
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@clipperchip @opal i think there are things i would like if weren't said, but i also don't think i'd trust any structure, even one i've set up, to enforce that. things always run away from you. so i am a free speech absolutist too, but not out of some principle, rather out of distrust
(DIR) Post #APeuGcBUiwgojwLz96 by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:44:12.672485Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip the way i see it, i'd rather people be free to say whatever they want, so i can gauge them as a person without wading through any lies or fronts they have to enact to beat around the bushi never get offended, just annoyed at worst
(DIR) Post #APeuHYNYMGnXE8RQzg by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:43:52Z
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@tarperfume @opal Yes, in real life we have a social contract. But on the Internet, for some reason that does not seem to translate for many people. I do adhere by it, though.
(DIR) Post #APeuVPFn59zWyoPrea by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:46:43.967747Z
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@clipperchip @tarperfume @opal an issue with the culture of the fediverse is that you get blocked for being 'free speech' even if you elaborate on it intensely
(DIR) Post #APeuVW9JRdy8MkRI1o by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:46:06Z
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@opal @tarperfume Time for one of my favorite quotes. In The Friends of Voltaire, Hall wrote the phrase: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs.(inb4 someone will point out that Voltaire was a misogynist - in the 18th century, measured by today's standards).
(DIR) Post #APeuXMD9Mim87f6xpw by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:47:14.762939Z
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@clipperchip @tarperfume who wasnt a misogynist back then
(DIR) Post #APeuYGI2rhxu33pfF2 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:47:15.697850Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume we're blocked for a variety of things, and the saddest reason other than the obviously fake homophobia, racism, etc accusations is the fact that we're a 'free speech instance'
(DIR) Post #APeudNgomV8YRgrQMi by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:48:08.321753Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume
(DIR) Post #APeugoSJip6AKOiLpo by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:48:56.078006Z
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@kallisti @clipperchip @tarperfume elaboration is an exercise of freeze peach. cant have that
(DIR) Post #APeuhYaOD8t7OkqRns by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:48:37Z
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@opal ​@tarperfume :100a:
(DIR) Post #APeujaRCIUOzijVsy8 by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:49:21Z
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@kallisti @opal @tarperfume Yeah, i don't know. I have the suspicion that those communities are full of trolls ... I haven't even looked at them, though.
(DIR) Post #APeumuoN0LL7mFwIgi by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:49:54.661571Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume oh, most 'free speech' instances are full of trolls sadly. people have this knee jerk reaction to a bunch of stuff
(DIR) Post #APeunAyWuKyPuOodkG by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T10:50:03.923222Z
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@clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume some are definitely malicious, others i feel sorry for because they obviously have a lot of social issues they deal with and cant handle it more constructively
(DIR) Post #APeunaDz21BoDZEpns by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:50:05.343692Z
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@opal @clipperchip same about not getting offended. and i can see the value in that yes. oh, this person thinks like this, now i know what to do with them. that's a good point
(DIR) Post #APeurHijlqrDzGO824 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:50:44.745462Z
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@clipperchip @opal well, i adhere to not saying some things here not because of a social contract though. i too have forgotten it, cause i *can* forget it here. that's a plus of being here compared to irl
(DIR) Post #APeuvFDN1tw5NDbYIK by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:51:23.701334Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume i'm an anarchist by most senses of the word, and my goals probably align with communists, but if i were to say 'taxation is theft', then i'd be ousted for being an ancap, which im not. you have this built up association of words with subtext
(DIR) Post #APeuw9vy9GsvHktxaK by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:51:13Z
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@opal @kallisti @tarperfume I feel fine on infosec for now. Jerry is a very active admin, posting detailed status updates. And so far I was able to sort out any sort of moderation issues - if it stays this way, I feel home :)
(DIR) Post #APev5hizsuGSgxNxYW by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:53:20.292186Z
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@kallisti @clipperchip @opal the flipside of this is you can use the knowledge that there will be a kneejerk reaction to find out who's willing to hear you out and who just wants their worldview confirmedif i met you and you said that, i might wonder in which way you said it. but if i crossed you as an ancap and blocked you, what would you have truly lost? an incurious idiotthis is the fun of being purposefully provocative
(DIR) Post #APev873ifCNDqNE72e by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:53:41.182877Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume there's nothing wrong with free speech, nothing neccessarily capitalist about 'taxation is theft', but free speech is code for people to spam the n word and 'taxation is theft' is code for 'we need to capitalism but less regulated'so when you try and have a discussion about those things in earnest, you can't. how do you say that you're for freedom of speech without instantly being hit with accusations? you can't
(DIR) Post #APev9mPwNaLiP7PoTg by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:53:48Z
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@kallisti @opal @tarperfume Ah, this brings me back ten years when I had to deal with a radical anarchist. He thought that everything needs to be teared down. Capitalism totally destroyed, burn down the white house and all that. It is hopeless discussing with such people.
(DIR) Post #APev9mrwhSkbnyWB84 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:54:06.162479Z
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@clipperchip @kallisti @opal i agree with that person
(DIR) Post #APevEwpX5mxW99qlnM by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:54:42.163659Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip @opal you've come to the wrong side of the fediverse if you _dont_ want to deal with 'radical anarchists'
(DIR) Post #APevL2Cc20QYXuY1bs by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:56:02.782075Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip @opal i'd be happy to discuss my conclusions for such things, but the fact that you've dismissed anarchism out of hand is just proving brea's earlier point:> the flipside of this is you can use the knowledge that there will be a kneejerk reaction to find out who's willing to hear you out and who just wants their worldview confirmed
(DIR) Post #APevLxQ3Ii2w06H3yK by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-16T10:56:09.849486Z
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@clipperchip @kallisti @opal @tarperfume damn sounds like a based guy
(DIR) Post #APevNcUY4zqNfsAbmS by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:56:07Z
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@tarperfume @opal @kallisti Then - respectfully - I think you are wrong and potentially damaging to society :/
(DIR) Post #APevNd2a2T49NQ5mpE by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:56:35.463568Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti i want to be damaging to society. that's the whole point
(DIR) Post #APevUE21Q6djq7ycEq by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:57:44.127002Z
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@clipperchip @tarperfume @opal you think that we're wrong, but you don't even know what we're wrong or right about ?
(DIR) Post #APevZAqGhqeVOZq42a by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:57:24Z
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@tarperfume @opal @kallisti To what gain? Do you honestly believe that if we "burn everything down" things will be better?
(DIR) Post #APevZBR8Um8vEv5VVQ by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:58:17.026722Z
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@clipperchip @tarperfume @opal your question leads to an answer that goes against us no matter what
(DIR) Post #APevabwNRLQ9jINhQ0 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:58:35.360829Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti well, after the burning down i want to make other things, but yes, it's a good first step. maybe not everything. no reason to burn down the forests - that's being done already!the gain is that this society would no longer exist
(DIR) Post #APeveM1iY7XjX2fEx6 by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T10:58:57Z
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@kallisti @opal @tarperfume Capitalism is not the root of evil. It's corruption. If we can figure out how to get rid of that, it would be the big win we need.
(DIR) Post #APeveMbAQJtpIzFYCu by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:59:19.293126Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume you're still presupposing us here!
(DIR) Post #APevgBlhf0TCIO33om by moth@husk.site
2022-11-16T11:00:03.465435Z
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@clipperchip FSE
(DIR) Post #APevgfRXKYAEKWqNY8 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:59:49.684339Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume you say that we're unreasonable, yet you're projecting your image of an anarchist on us, and arguing against that, when we've barely made a point
(DIR) Post #APevhtexxW42iBiB28 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T10:59:53.430094Z
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@clipperchip @kallisti @opal did i say something about the root of evil
(DIR) Post #APevm8x92bsLIjEuNk by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-16T11:00:19.294569Z
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@clipperchip @kallisti @opal @tarperfume "the accumulation of wealth isn't the problem, the problem is the accumulation of wealth"
(DIR) Post #APevnDSdlYHjZWTzdY by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:00:02Z
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@kallisti @opal @tarperfume Communists :| As if that didn't kill enough people already. *sigh*
(DIR) Post #APevnDvi1TXN1g5Cwi by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:00:32.916474Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume you're speaking to a ukrainian. i know! you've presupposed me again
(DIR) Post #APevp0c2VUl2IojZCK by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:00:53.670630Z
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@kallisti @clipperchip @opal they keep doing that. what do you think we want
(DIR) Post #APevrFNIamYefLuG1I by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:01:05.854465Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume you're saying we're unreasonable and you're not hearing us out! you've not even asked us a question! you've just given us answers
(DIR) Post #APevtHiaqmSUVsq2hk by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:01:12Z
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@chjara @opal @kallisti @tarperfume No the problem is that powerful enough companies don't pay taxes. Because they buy the government and they give them a pass. This is corruption.
(DIR) Post #APevtIBJ81QXwwGySe by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:01:32.744432Z
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@clipperchip @chjara @opal @tarperfume this is the only problem in the world?
(DIR) Post #APevunG94BYWcsFePg by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:01:35.678141Z
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@kallisti @clipperchip @opal we refuse questions with answers and answers without questions
(DIR) Post #APew0jdxQJGL9IDrcW by evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev
2022-11-16T11:00:40.435Z
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@clipperchip@infosec.exchange @tarperfume@refusal.biz @opal@ap.maladaptive.art @kallisti@refusal.biz say, how do you feel about police?
(DIR) Post #APew0kDPIVcQvEoAsK by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:01:36Z
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@evelyn @opal @kallisti @tarperfume That's a very general question. Depends?
(DIR) Post #APew0kk1LFhsYO4Di4 by evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev
2022-11-16T11:02:10.516Z
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@clipperchip@infosec.exchange @opal@ap.maladaptive.art @kallisti@refusal.biz @tarperfume@refusal.biz wrong answer, thank you for playing :)
(DIR) Post #APew0l9tn2PHqeAt2u by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:03:27.409743Z
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@evelyn @kallisti @clipperchip opal don't seem to be here anymore btw. usually i wouldn't care about untagging, but i can't really pretend i don't know she'd rather be un-notified a lot of times, so remember to do that
(DIR) Post #APew3jMguny99bZhWy by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-16T11:01:42.257327Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti @tarperfume ah so you do see the issue with capitalism
(DIR) Post #APew3jsb0BUQkYVBGC by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:03:28Z
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@chjara @opal @kallisti @tarperfume But the issue isn't capitalism. Or do you believe that under other systems, corruption would just magically disappear? Historical fact is that the current Western system increased the living standard of the population by far more than any other system we ever had.Go ahead, burn it all down and see how comfortable you will be then.
(DIR) Post #APew3kFzbCClv7RrjE by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:04:08.267251Z
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@clipperchip @chjara @opal @tarperfume the fact that you believe we need a system is the issue :)
(DIR) Post #APew9SOkuTYUGoGrXE by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:05:09.334881Z
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@clipperchip @chjara @opal @tarperfume have you heard the aphorism 'the solution to management is not more management'? see, when you introduce management or technology, that management inevitably has flaws. so you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. so you introduce management to address that. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws. then you introduce management to address that, which has flaws.
(DIR) Post #APewC2zpoIHgM8qjXk by cvnt@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T11:05:49.577794Z
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@clipperchip @chjara @opal @kallisti @tarperfume Chjara is jidf troll.
(DIR) Post #APewD1hs5hA0e5ukVs by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:05:24Z
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@kallisti @opal @tarperfume @chjara Well, go ahead without a system. Isolate yourself, do not rely on anyone, any rules, any laws and see how long you'll survive.
(DIR) Post #APewD2C0HfGO9Y0oTo by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:05:53.493836Z
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@clipperchip @kallisti @chjara we will see indeed
(DIR) Post #APewFIRQqGn37wJ6xs by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:06:06.700872Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume @chjara you're presupposing again. you've not even asked me what i mean by system
(DIR) Post #APewHyeyqUGIe1vH84 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:06:40.866704Z
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@clipperchip @chjara @opal @tarperfume you assume and assume and assume and assume and assume. you've created a world where you've already answered every question - everyone fits your view
(DIR) Post #APewK8TFLAUpeRSnRY by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-16T11:06:40.913356Z
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@clipperchip @kallisti @opal @tarperfume anarchism isn't about isolating yourself it's about building communities that govern themselves and can freely associate with other people without the intervention of a govt or capitalistic interests
(DIR) Post #APewK8wJb5kT6b40ki by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:07:05.044108Z
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@chjara @opal @clipperchip @tarperfume i dont agree with this
(DIR) Post #APewM9KN7qfct7GySu by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:07:13.609648Z
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@chjara @clipperchip @opal @tarperfume > communities that govern themselves dont put that shit on me
(DIR) Post #APewNHfjaPLp3do1Ts by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:07:50.239530Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip @kallisti a functional society will not rise up from those ashes.
(DIR) Post #APewRHb1oIwZyrVlZo by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:07:20Z
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@chjara @opal @kallisti @tarperfume I am sorry, but this sounds insanely naive to me.
(DIR) Post #APewRI464ECDR16ysy by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:08:25.295528Z
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@clipperchip @chjara @opal @tarperfume are you going to address the fact that your entire argument is based on arguments you've already placed on us
(DIR) Post #APewSec1irFReZdGQy by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-16T11:07:32.110702Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti @tarperfume true i had sex with your mom last night
(DIR) Post #APewSf0UFuoWsR4nYm by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:08:08Z
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@chjara @opal @kallisti @tarperfume Allright. First blocks are happening. Sad.
(DIR) Post #APewSfNsqvWs301U1o by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-16T11:08:20.118726Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti @tarperfume i'm glad i changed your mind on free speech
(DIR) Post #APewUq9LnV7Q11GHcO by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:09:02.671216Z
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@opal @clipperchip @tarperfume what is the end of a functional society. what is a functional society
(DIR) Post #APewecBQZyr3awtUzQ by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:10:51.634126Z
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@opal @clipperchip @kallisti the problem here is that i hate what "society" is, in any form. it contains nothing good, and the good things in it are not of it. so this presents no problem for me, that there will not be a functional society born of the ashes
(DIR) Post #APewiDNWkG2Hp3GoJE by chjara@snowdin.town
2022-11-16T11:08:00.257458Z
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@kallisti @opal @clipperchip @tarperfume or not whatever the point is it's not isolation or whatever
(DIR) Post #APews4GvSQniTVsfLc by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:12:09Z
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@tarperfume @opal @kallisti Society automatically happens when people cooperate and form a commune to support each other. It is inherent and there is no way around forming a society.
(DIR) Post #APews4nBWUba5YyQd6 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:13:15.824500Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti i don't call that a society. really there is no disagreement here between you and me. there is a something when people interact.
(DIR) Post #APex2oBHck0rksMZ16 by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:06:10Z
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@kallisti @opal @tarperfume @chjara I should mute this now.
(DIR) Post #APex5f8Dj3jWYdI7Jg by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:15:22Z
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@tarperfume @opal @kallisti We can battle about the word "society" as long as we want but it doesn't change the fact that in order for humans to advance they need to cooperate which must include a social contract that everyone adheres to. If you don't agree with that, we really have nothing more to talk about.
(DIR) Post #APex5fijXIwMNsNHEG by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:15:47.160099Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti what do you mean by "advance"
(DIR) Post #APex98E00x6ZeoeGfo by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:16:28.467807Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip @kallisti then i disagree with you too
(DIR) Post #APexCrGT0vKqDMa05g by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:17:09.461041Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip @kallisti dude now its obvious you have never studied any bit of sociology
(DIR) Post #APexDQ3vdX6O8byyuG by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:16:42Z
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@tarperfume @opal @kallisti Progress? Or do you want to live like in the 8th century now?
(DIR) Post #APexDQatexTPmrPJIG by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:17:04.134069Z
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@clipperchip @tarperfume @opal progress to what end?
(DIR) Post #APexF9CpHOnSRBy688 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:17:24.808512Z
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@opal @clipperchip @tarperfume >academia
(DIR) Post #APexFwZXjj5DXpyQqG by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:17:34.673593Z
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@opal @clipperchip @kallisti fair
(DIR) Post #APexKJi5eVwYSp3aHw by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:18:21.502266Z
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@opal @clipperchip @kallisti i have taken classes on sociology, but if you'd rather have me admit that i haven't sure, i haven't. you cannot argue with me through sociology as a subject
(DIR) Post #APexOBilIX5IqPDVei by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:19:02.263460Z
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@opal @clipperchip @tarperfume i love this self perpetuating worldview academia has. academia is the only way to know things. anyone who questions this clearly hasn't done academia, so they don't know things.
(DIR) Post #APexPKCdFSZRRJjLvs by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:19:06.050469Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti >falling for the progress trapi don't want to live in the 8th century. i couldn't if i wanted to, that was 13 centuries ago. what does progress mean to you? more things?
(DIR) Post #APexVfmLwReq5uSvfk by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:19:35Z
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@kallisti @opal @tarperfume Academia has gone down the drain.
(DIR) Post #APexVgPLbSqk2qi4S8 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:20:24.328955Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume yet you can say that someone's nonparticipation in it means they can't know things
(DIR) Post #APexVnjSN65ulFAjGi by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:17:41Z
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@opal Yeah, this is getting tedious....
(DIR) Post #APexXAqptvVEkkHK4W by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:20:39.731872Z
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@clipperchip @opal @tarperfume confucius never went to high school
(DIR) Post #APexYp5vlKBRr67olE by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:19:06Z
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@tarperfume @opal @kallisti The new postmodern education system says check-mate.
(DIR) Post #APexYpZ01FR5JFj24O by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:21:04.600487Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti what do you mean
(DIR) Post #APexZf3wXxUX1zaxsm by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:21:16.093820Z
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@kallisti @clipperchip @tarperfume if youre going to use an academic concept (the word "society") then you bring in academia as a dependency. this is not my problem.
(DIR) Post #APexf9FjjAwm71jBT6 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:22:08.680142Z
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@opal @clipperchip @kallisti why does academia get to claim the word society? sure, they use it, but so do i, and so do many non academics
(DIR) Post #APexi9BaQu94m1DUp6 by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:21:57Z
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@tarperfume @opal @kallisti That was a very snarky remark about pseudo-sciences being hyped in Western universities.
(DIR) Post #APexi9Yz1urPwaABI8 by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:22:43.729550Z
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@clipperchip @opal @kallisti i like pomo stuff, but i don't see what that has to do with me. i thought we'd agreed i know nothing of sociology
(DIR) Post #APexo1y4BNCu7mhLvM by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:23:42.909066Z
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@opal @clipperchip @tarperfume is academia a dependency of this
(DIR) Post #APexqmJuofhASmECa8 by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:24:20.142886Z
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@tarperfume @clipperchip @kallisti if it makes you feel any better then just look up the etymology and the meaning of the word "society" and see how its defined. i dont understand why bringing up sociology gives you the idea that im defending academia, just that any sociology class would teach you what this word means.
(DIR) Post #APexvsk4MqNTpOtYDg by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:25:07.739967Z
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@opal @clipperchip @tarperfume why does sociology have exclusive claim on the word's meaning and definition? do you think that every single person who uses the word society uses sociology's definition?
(DIR) Post #APey69JraWuS8aX7JI by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:27:01.564200Z
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@opal @clipperchip @kallisti i have my own definition of the word society. and that's fine! we can just peel it back and look at the contents. i don't necessarily think you're "defending" academia, you just think that the word belongs to sociology, and i disagree on that. i don't really have to acknowledge that meaning, i'm not using it
(DIR) Post #APey81v64PcNleqUS0 by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:27:26.405798Z
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@kallisti @tarperfume you are missing my point and im not interested in this child's play anymore, have fun with your fellow "anarchists"
(DIR) Post #APeyA7A7YBHkbbroHI by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:27:52.004824Z
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@tarperfume @kallisti god you two misinterpreting everything
(DIR) Post #APeyBWrjTGrec3wMpk by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-16T11:28:07.349155Z
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@tarperfume @kallisti ok for real, muting, have fun like i said
(DIR) Post #APeyLzAx4PGhJJurku by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T11:29:50.451067Z
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@opal @tarperfume you made the point that sociology defined the word society, we made the point that words are used independent of their original definitions - they come to mean other things
(DIR) Post #APf02J9VHtHZNqz2Tw by nozaki@mugicha.club
2022-11-16T11:48:52.869439Z
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cum.salon
(DIR) Post #APf08pIKhCOWoEDnKi by eee@poa.st
2022-11-16T11:50:03.141364Z
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@clipperchip you people deserve each other
(DIR) Post #APf0FwGp9uDqTFuJhw by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-11-16T11:51:19.964427Z
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@clipperchip freespeechextremist
(DIR) Post #APf0RaA3BbntNKI6O8 by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:52:15Z
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@Bunny Should probably rephrase in a way so it excludes insults and derogatory speech.
(DIR) Post #APf0RaeBNZuGsmOAM4 by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-11-16T11:53:24.341640Z
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@clipperchip well whaddya want you want free speech without free speech? Who do you thinks going to give it to ya. Only people who are okay with those things.
(DIR) Post #APf0pcWE4WsFda7qoi by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T11:53:58Z
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@Bunny Context matters.
(DIR) Post #APf0pcyaN5Yj3XOV1M by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-11-16T11:57:46.674805Z
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@clipperchip you’re retarded.
(DIR) Post #APf1AreF16p8dp0Lei by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T12:00:38Z
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@Bunny Yeah, if I didn't think you just said that to make some questionable point, I would have blocked you know. Ad hominem insult for no reason. This is usually the point where I stop interacting. Also, thine face is not worth sunburning.
(DIR) Post #APf1As81EOdw8Aw84O by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-11-16T12:01:36.629623Z
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@clipperchip >ad hominem insultI’m merely making an observation.
(DIR) Post #APf1JFIay2U4JGsP6u by clipperchip@infosec.exchange
2022-11-16T12:02:41Z
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@Bunny Allright, you asked for it. Good bye :)
(DIR) Post #APf1JFqGwpQFzidIbQ by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-11-16T12:03:07.413712Z
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@clipperchip nooooooooo
(DIR) Post #APf2G8xGCLN9ieyvse by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T12:13:47.799866Z
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@nozaki @clipperchip lol
(DIR) Post #APf2GYDmG4RI57tyb2 by KonataWagner@mugicha.club
2022-11-16T12:13:51.910181Z
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:childporn:
(DIR) Post #APf3B1lra0wBwfm8Ho by PonyPanda@comfyboy.club
2022-11-16T12:24:03.626411Z
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@clipperchip @Bunny I'm sorry but I don't know how you'd even manage such a thing. You can be derogatory in ways you don't even know about.Nothing is every going to be just right for you so you need to start your instance. But I can guarantee that even that won't be perfect because you're gonna get caught talking to somebody naughty and the fediblock people will sanction you for going against sanctions.If I were you, I'd just accept the Masto-tyranny.
(DIR) Post #APf3Q7hzmnzyhjAGCu by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T12:26:48.319865Z
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@chjara @clipperchip @kallisti @opal @tarperfume the problem is the distribution of wealth. Why wouldn't you want poor people to accumulate wealth?
(DIR) Post #APf3VqAFvawe1t6pP6 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:27:35.436387Z
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@PonyPanda @opal @clipperchip @tarperfume @chjara why would you want wealth to exist at all
(DIR) Post #APf3Yz9cxbJ8mPJZzs by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:28:18.061495Z
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@kallisti @PonyPanda @chjara @clipperchip @opal i was gonna say. what a strange thing to acquire a solution when you can do away with the problem in the first place
(DIR) Post #APf3eKWQwVE0UzWy00 by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T12:29:21.315684Z
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@PonyPanda @chjara @opal @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume Poor people are habitual spenders. They are literally incapable of accumulating wealth.
(DIR) Post #APf3oXUXZqpPcQVtQm by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:31:04.128424Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara do you mean to say that the poor are poor because they spend more. come now
(DIR) Post #APf4LqlyuWlYyVYToG by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T12:37:13.531007Z
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@tarperfume @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara Poor people are also poor because they earn less, but the "poor" people who are too smart to waste their money are also the poor people that will often move into the middle class, meaning that they on some level stop being "poor people".Only in places where social mobility is a near impossibility is this not true.The opposite is also true, the middle class people who waste their money will often become poor people.All that being said, things like inflation or other macro-economics will also quite often have a significant say in who is going to be poor and who isn't. It's not entirely about being a smart spender, just mostly so.
(DIR) Post #APf4MYuKopalr9nlwG by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T12:37:22.002993Z
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@kallisti @chjara @clipperchip @opal @tarperfume to stop privation and suffering and to provide people a foundation with which they can pursue their higher needs like on Maslow's hierarchy.
(DIR) Post #APf4f18kacrsd9LREe by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T12:40:42.116693Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @tarperfume @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara you're retarded. Shut the fuck up.https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2015/12/09/the-american-middle-class-is-losing-ground/
(DIR) Post #APf58xnhZQQaxcmLk8 by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T12:46:06.145259Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara I am not. Using America as an example, the underclass is a prime case of people who do not at all have the ability required to retain wealth, but you can find good examples in most countries.The middle class is capable of accumulating wealth, but is currently challenged in doing so because of greed and mismanagement at the top of society, but they aren't "poor", so they aren't the subject of this conversation.
(DIR) Post #APf5BvwwuN9e5aWKhc by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:46:31.751393Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara this is a morality based view of poverty. poor people deserve to be poor, because if they were better earners and better spenders, they wouldn't be. mobility as something you have full control over.
(DIR) Post #APf5EdTg2lYvfS7KOu by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T12:47:07.575546Z
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@tarperfume @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara I live in a society where this is true. What can I say?
(DIR) Post #APf5HQeICHqakTPkSu by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:47:33.957294Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara you could say anything you want, that's the saddest part
(DIR) Post #APf5YFiG6tkhkoI8x6 by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-11-16T12:50:39.785992Z
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@tarperfume @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara maybe it’s genetic determinism you don’t know
(DIR) Post #APf5dgQsC95K4TkW8m by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T12:51:39.409170Z
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@tarperfume @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara The fact that I can say whatever I want is not sad at all, I should think.
(DIR) Post #APf5m02FCDyxBWC8OG by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T12:53:09.816048Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara so what happens when that greed and mismanagement at the top of society puts them in the category of poor? We all know that 50 years ago, you could have a simple job that didn't require tertiary education and be the head of your single-income household and raise children comfortably. Now working that same job puts you in the category of "working poor." It's funny because you know the system is broken insofar as it affects you.
(DIR) Post #APf62gDg7hVsePUrlg by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:56:03.895621Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara but that with that, you say what you say
(DIR) Post #APf63JhTKrWD66ji7c by lichelordgodfrey@poa.st
2022-11-16T12:56:17.263329Z
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@tarperfume @Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara there will always be a hierarchy, we just live in a gay one that claims there is no hierarchy rather than choosing to make it explicit… until you offend the pinnacle of power, the sovereign (jews) then suddenly you can lose whatever you have no matter who you are lmao.jens isn’t arguing people shouldn’t be paid more, there are people who will save and save and slowly inch their way up either way.. there are also people with extremely low impulse control, and it’s not exclusive to Blacks.nearly every time those people with low impulse control win the lottery, the money’s gone in short order.
(DIR) Post #APf65rrBJTALbyUhBw by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:56:41.181321Z
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@Bunny @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara whether it is or not is moot. if it were, that wouldn't change anything about whether they deserved it
(DIR) Post #APf6GBA4OSxQNbFIqe by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T12:58:30.236542Z
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@lichelordgodfrey @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara i just find it hilarious that the explanation for poverty, which is a state that a staggering amount of people find themselves in, is apparently reducible to "poor impulse control"
(DIR) Post #APf6JbDFzXTQ2sMqFU by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T12:59:13.351568Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara >so what happens when that greed and mismanagement at the top of society puts them in the category of poor?Then they become "working class" rather than middle class, but they are still far removed from the underclass, which is not true for all of the working class. Assuming they still have sensible spending habits.I agree that the top of society, individuals and corporations alike, should give more of their earnings to employees, but that doesn't mean that the employees will use that extra wage to accumulate wealth.
(DIR) Post #APf6VPcOvQWnYplG4G by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:01:21.442810Z
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@tarperfume @lichelordgodfrey @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara There's more to it than that, but in countries with good social mobility then that's the best way to sum it up.
(DIR) Post #APf6cXZVkkqSFroBvc by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-11-16T13:02:39.341765Z
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@lichelordgodfrey @tarperfume @Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara the fact that a hierarchy that lies about itself being the worst one should be clear to everyone now.
(DIR) Post #APf6gx1H54GUL1tibY by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:03:27.120136Z
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@sickburnbro @lichelordgodfrey @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara Didn't mr. Dugin make a point about that in a recent speech regarding the loss of Kherson?
(DIR) Post #APf6ieYYhIHJefHHYu by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-11-16T13:03:45.556139Z
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@tarperfume @lichelordgodfrey @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara if you give a person on the street money for lunch and they buy drugs, what do you want to characterize that as
(DIR) Post #APf6ms7KDkAas4YEUK by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-11-16T13:04:31.378216Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara no idea, my duginist credentials wore out when it stopped being a funny joke.
(DIR) Post #APf6zmKn24HohV0HXk by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T13:06:45.795700Z
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@sickburnbro @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @chjara as nothing? for all i know they have food already. when you give money away, you don't get a say in what it's used for. this is still, also, no explanation for poverty or what we should do or feel about it. you've literally spun a scenario out of thin air
(DIR) Post #APf75AnNVvby0swpTU by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:07:49.633379Z
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@tarperfume @sickburnbro @PonyPanda @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @chjara >you've literally spun a scenario out of thin airYou clearly don't have much experience with the underclass.
(DIR) Post #APf79ebGdv6fbpQ5C4 by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-11-16T13:08:38.386745Z
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@tarperfume @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @chjara So you have never passed a homeless person on the street, asking for money so they can eat
(DIR) Post #APf7ODJmMKfFL5BMno by jmw150@poa.st
2022-11-16T13:11:16.527570Z
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@clipperchip freespeechextremist.com
(DIR) Post #APf7T1GYaz9ZPNy09Y by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T13:12:08.928261Z
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@tarperfume @lichelordgodfrey @Jens_Rasmussen @chjara @clipperchip @kallisti the Weimar Republic was actually just a bunch of Germans with low impulse control.
(DIR) Post #APf7oRSsNu58k9wajA by tarperfume@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T13:15:56.503031Z
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@sickburnbro @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @chjara of course i have. what's that got to do with what i said or you said. you have no idea what they'll use it for, and it's not yours once you give it anyways
(DIR) Post #APf7rCnhMVLK8G08QK by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:16:30.508304Z
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@PonyPanda @tarperfume @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @chjara The Weimar republic was forced to pay ridiculous reparations and to dismantle much of their industry, not at all comaparable to the nigger-situation.Low-impulse-control retarded Germans still exist. @Waldbrand posted a bit about his experiences with them recently.
(DIR) Post #APf7z9iQiR3osgKO9o by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T13:17:57.397146Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara so what happens when somebody goes from "middle class" to "working class" and then those same problems put them from "working class" to poor?" I already told you that we live in the era of the working poor where people live from paycheck to paycheck and earn nothing to even save.I don't even know why we're having this argument. I entered this discussion saying that the problem isn't the accumulation of wealth. It's the distribution of wealth. And you've already identified that there's mismanagement at the "top." So we can agree on that. Maybe it's not mismanagement. Maybe the those at the top don't think people with your level of impulse control don't deserve anything. If you have the time to be arguing with me here and now you're wasting precious time that you could be using to make trades.
(DIR) Post #APf8J2JZwQoDifBS6a by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:21:32.291832Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara >what happens when somebody goes from "middle class" to "working class" and then those same problems put them from "working class" to poor?Assuming it happens to a lot of people and not just a few retards? Social unrest.>I entered this discussion saying that the problem isn't the accumulation of wealth. It's the distribution of wealthI enterted this discussion to point out that accumulation of wealth among the poorest of society is more or less an impossibility, because they spend money the moment they get it.>you're wasting precious time that you could be using to make tradesI'm literally posting from work, because it's a slow day.
(DIR) Post #APf8PHz6auyW3Waa3s by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T13:22:40.763474Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @tarperfume @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @chjara @Waldbrand the great depression was actually just a bunch of Americans with low impulse control.
(DIR) Post #APf8a7ruXuVjroOK92 by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:24:37.423790Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara I don't know that much about the Great Depression. Wasn't it mismanagement from banks or governments that caused it?I've made it clear that mismanagement from the top can cause these things as well.
(DIR) Post #APf9KBnkFwADNwPKAC by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T13:32:57.780759Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara >Assuming it happens to a lot of people and not just a few retards? Social unrest.Except it's not happening because we have a surveillance state full of easily distracted people. Bread and circuses and oxycontin.>I enterted this discussion to point out that accumulation of wealth among the poorest of society is more or less an impossibility, because they spend money the moment they get it.And I said you're retarded because that's not why they're poor. But on top that... a handout isn't a hand up. If you give a homeless person a couple of coins, they're not going to save for a house. The marginal propensity to save and spend is affected by underlying material conditions.If a poor person made enough to live and buy the frivolous things they want without saving but there was still a superannuation/401k plan for them to retire on (or a citizen fund like in Norway) that wasn't run greedy people who would mismanage it like you were talking about then we can say once again the problem isn't the accumulation of wealth but the distribution of wealth.
(DIR) Post #APf9SPme9cJn4DoeG0 by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T13:34:26.974077Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara so why should any of those poor people in the dustbowl be cared about? They are poor and no longer middle class or even working class. If you give them any assistance they'll just spend it on magic beans.
(DIR) Post #APfAU8D8YmWr6EaZwe by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:45:56.689477Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara >it's not happening because we have a surveillance state full of easily distracted people. Bread and circuses and oxycontinTrue enough. I do like to remind people that secret police forces of the current west are actually good at their job when people try to mock them for failing to do what is allegedly their job.>a handout isn't a hand upNear-free access to education and being told that drugs and alcohol is bad is a "hand up". The fact that the underclass fails to make use of this "hand up" is in the west usually because they are simply not made of the right stuff mentally. They are either too stupid to take an education that will get them a middle class job, despite it being available to them.The "handouts" are there to keep them from a life of crime.>If a poor person made enough to live and buy the frivolous things they want without saving but there was still a superannuation/401k plan for them to retire onState pensions for everyone who is on regular retirement are fucking gay. "Forced" private pensions are okay, but people should have more liberty with them than only being able to withdraw them when the state thinks you should be allowed to.Having wealth available is something people should earn, not have given to them. Wages and oppourtunities should of course be fair or even generous if possible, and if they are not then that's worth criticism.
(DIR) Post #APfAnmfGNWk24B7Esy by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:49:30.077903Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara They shouldn't be cared about any more than being given fair oppourtunities they need to get themselves out of the bad spot they're in. Many will shit on me for this, but I am a Darwinist in many regards and this is one of them.
(DIR) Post #APfAvL28zf7agfQ7Wa by AlbinoMutant@poa.st
2022-11-16T13:50:52.584654Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara The Zionist police state is very very good at protecting the zionist ruling class interests.
(DIR) Post #APfBPK7OxcucXJB4JU by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T13:56:06.624363Z
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@PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @tarperfume @chjara i dont know what part of the thread to reply to but consider this:how much would poor impulse control apply if we only had food in the equation?ie. no consideration of exchanging food, or of money
(DIR) Post #APfBVCezbS438th2Cu by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T13:57:21.092346Z
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@AlbinoMutant @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara People like to mock FBI for going after white supremacists when there is limited to no statistical record of them doing anything bad, but they know that white supremacists are the greatest threat to the ruling class' comfortable position.
(DIR) Post #APfBehfjfddFvlZRdg by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-16T13:58:54.574693Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @AlbinoMutant @tarperfume @chjara
(DIR) Post #APfBfgAejo15Z2UzAG by AlbinoMutant@poa.st
2022-11-16T13:59:15.088484Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @PonyPanda @clipperchip @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara it also uses up police resources that might have gone into investigating crime committed by the zionist client groups.
(DIR) Post #APfC705an2Vl9t9rSS by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T14:04:11.670123Z
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@kallisti @Jens_Rasmussen @Waldbrand @chjara @clipperchip @lichelordgodfrey @tarperfume I'm sorry. I'm not sure what you're asking.
(DIR) Post #APfCcx7BNrrJCU8bT6 by KonataWagner@mugicha.club
2022-11-16T14:09:57.807497Z
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@tarperfume @PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @kallisti @chjara it's not about morality, it's about ability. Meritocracy
(DIR) Post #APfHwMLAJt26i0keBc by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T15:09:30.085993Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara do you have kids?
(DIR) Post #APfIi4m2w07w7y4sl6 by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T15:18:06.734602Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara No.
(DIR) Post #APfKp0F6NdLe0d6CTA by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T15:41:47.193943Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara well thanks for being honest. Do you want to have kids?
(DIR) Post #APfKr9NXNq7cvJ4JaC by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T15:42:09.936886Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara I do.
(DIR) Post #APfOVmLEEw8LD53NFg by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T16:23:07.944246Z
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@Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara well I'm no "Darwinist" and don't know what genetics you carry or if it even matters. I think in an ideal society you would have kids and the wherewithal to raise them well. Leaving things to Darwin just isn't good enough. We can do better.
(DIR) Post #APfOfAN8GPTELWQ71M by Jens_Rasmussen@gleasonator.com
2022-11-16T16:24:48.550264Z
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@PonyPanda @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara A society that doesn't have a system to filter out the broken and the trash, figuratively speaking, is a system that will be overburdened by these. We are arguably seeing that happen right now in nations that provide a lot of welfare.
(DIR) Post #APfPFPxfmQpN7XnWRE by doorroo@mirr0r.city
2022-11-16T16:31:21.560389Z
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@PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara part of genetics, Darwin's isms not required, play into the ways in which groups raise their children. some are inclined to invest more time and care into their child's upbringing, these groups tend to have fewer children at a time, a wolf for instance. these groups have less promiscuous tendencies and have later sexual maturation.others invest less into the individuals and more into making sure their survivability is good enough, they have more offspring and act more polygamous. their maturation happens earlier in life. rabbits and rodents as an example. an ideal society acknowledges these traits for what they are, because human groups do have them.
(DIR) Post #APfQtyN1MsurNKYXey by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T16:49:54.922371Z
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@doorroo @Jens_Rasmussen @Waldbrand @chjara @clipperchip @kallisti @lichelordgodfrey @tarperfume fuck off retard. You've already shown you don't know what the fuck you're talking about with your retarded attempt at applying r/K selection to nations.https://freespeechextremist.com/notice/AOmCecktGpoAm3ztQG
(DIR) Post #APfSARFnqaq9XlayLA by doorroo@mirr0r.city
2022-11-16T17:04:02.289650Z
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@PonyPanda @Jens_Rasmussen @clipperchip @Waldbrand @lichelordgodfrey @kallisti @tarperfume @chjara calm your panties it's words on a screen, the message you linked doesn't even make sense in this context or that context
(DIR) Post #APfSeuMsANuEWiQn7Q by PonyPanda@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-16T17:09:36.169713Z
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@doorroo @Jens_Rasmussen @Waldbrand @chjara @clipperchip @kallisti @lichelordgodfrey @tarperfume can you please just fuck off? You talk too much.