Post APeZBBCnVPhia4Wvaa by netopia@eupolicy.social
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(DIR) Post #APeC8657nkDMsKVCwy by internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org
2022-11-16T01:20:56Z
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Do digital books last longer than physical books? @brewsterkahle highlights the lengths libraries go through to keep digital books viable: they “need constant maintenance—reprocessing, reformatting, re-invigorating or they will not be readable or read.” http://blog.archive.org/2022/11/15/digital-books-wear-out-faster-than-physical-books/
(DIR) Post #APeCLFczcUZ4FNcGOG by twylo@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-16T02:32:02Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle This hits close to home. I used to work for the LOCKSS project at Stanford, a peer-to-peer digital preservation system. Keeping access to old journals and ebooks is just a nightmare and we're going to have to face this challenge sooner rather than later.
(DIR) Post #APeIntSvhI0ZdPwyMS by gilesforyou@mastodon.coffee
2022-11-16T02:20:25Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Who would argue that point? Electronic forms are notoriously difficult to keep "legible". We have centuries- (and millennia-) old books, some of which are as legible as the day they were 'scribed.
(DIR) Post #APeMayTa9ljxE7LnOa by jquillin@fashionsocial.host
2022-11-16T02:36:43Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle The realities of digital asset management. In case the world doesn’t think people need content strategists or taxonomists.
(DIR) Post #APeQjezkM9HzEInBwm by Tourma@mastodon.social
2022-11-16T02:57:33Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle And that's without publishers getting in the way.
(DIR) Post #APeS98AZ7hC8uGYuDA by shonin@mastodon.world
2022-11-16T03:00:40Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle OTOH, I'm the editor of the now outdated Renascence Editions, Risa Bear, and IIRC I was told by someone in Equatorial Africa that our books were much appreciated there because of the speed at which paper deteriorates in the local conditions. https://www.luminarium.org/renascence-editions/ #DigitalBooks
(DIR) Post #APeZBBCnVPhia4Wvaa by netopia@eupolicy.social
2022-11-16T04:36:38Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle They won't last any time at all if you keep infringing the copyright of the authors.....
(DIR) Post #APegv8FrVWFCQhp3Am by Wonderdog@aus.social
2022-11-16T06:08:04Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle I did not know this! How very interesting. #bookstodon #reading #DigitalBooks #eBooks
(DIR) Post #APeiVBbKdwSBBfcX7A by WendyMsGator@aus.social
2022-11-16T06:20:45Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle I'm selfish. I buy electronic books for my personal use, not for posterity. I love tree books. I simply don't have room anymore for the collections that I used to have.
(DIR) Post #APek4oz2JR09Q2GQvg by chuseta@mas.to
2022-11-16T06:26:16Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Nuestras colecciones son enormes pero efímeras. A menudo pienso que, paradójicamente, si quieres conservar con seguridad alguna información concreta deberías copiarla en papel.
(DIR) Post #APelXnA2GezO7Omr6O by readthinkbegood@mastodon.social
2022-11-16T06:44:04Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle It’s kind of amazing how long paper is lasting as a media format. I read both print and digital books but print will always have a bigger place in my heart.#printbooks #books #reading #ebooks
(DIR) Post #APemwUeMKNyZtxJT6W by zazen401@mindly.social
2022-11-16T06:44:59Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle yes
(DIR) Post #APeoPPSYnuwe9k98pE by alx@mastodon.design
2022-11-16T06:47:23Z
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@internetarchive thank you for both keeping the digital archive updated and for reminding people that, despite their perceived intangibility and endlessness, digital assets need constant maintenance, or they will somehow decay, exactly like anything else.
(DIR) Post #APepsAzPmZgrd7nKl6 by phil_stevens@mastodon.nz
2022-11-16T07:08:21Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Formats evolve or get replaced. Disk arrays fail. Backups don't get run on schedule. Bit rot is real and moves a lot faster than people realise.Books from the 16th century are still readable. Good luck getting anything off a ZIP disk from the year 2000.
(DIR) Post #APeta2MXWCsnThDWq0 by Shephallmassive@mastodon.online
2022-11-16T07:52:40Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle yes I remember working in sound archives copying reel to reels to audio cassettes when digital processing cist a fortune and old tapes were catching fire in the racks - its always been a challenge to archive!
(DIR) Post #APeyT5WRs5u71PMFLk by michal@spondr.cz
2022-11-16T09:58:22Z
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@internetarchive I was thinking similarly about photographs. People nowadays store their photos on disks or encrypted clouds, or take photos of everything in stories that disappear in a day. You won't find photos of your ancestors 200 years from now.
(DIR) Post #APezOleZtxCgCAfEUi by maddiefuzz@hackers.town
2022-11-16T08:20:51Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle This link defaults to HTTP for me, not sure if it’s just my device.
(DIR) Post #APf2AqXjE23dAUVuXw by sufferforme@mstdn.party
2022-11-16T11:43:01Z
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Interesting observation - over 20+ years i have many inaccessible files, either in formats that i can no longer open (software moved on), or media that I can no longer access:
(DIR) Post #APf9Tc4Fy4NFSGckym by rimugu@liberdon.com
2022-11-16T13:34:37Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle My ebook library consists of just one "reprocessing" to remove DRM. Then as long as it keeps in my disk or the backup. I have done very little maintenance.
(DIR) Post #APfW1QYDUWZUZdAOem by GothKittyLady@social.vivaldi.net
2022-11-16T17:32:07Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle I think this could end up being an almost insurmountable problem due to the ever-increasing pace of digital creation, not just for digital literature but also for art. So many album covers and illustrations and cartoons and greeting cards and paintings and photographs are purely digital, and most physical prints of them are made for personal use and aren't archival quality. We stand to lose so much if we can't figure out a solution.
(DIR) Post #APg76a8QyvTW3BQc5o by skeleton@mastodon.world
2022-11-17T00:24:19Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Interesting how slow it seems to change, yet how fast it really happens.
(DIR) Post #APh8LfbBFDOWS3an6u by DrUKff@masto.ai
2022-11-17T12:16:20Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Some thoughts (in German) on your blog post https://bit.ly/3AgS0CI
(DIR) Post #APj0chrzdueb6KzNuy by arend@mstdn.social
2022-11-18T09:58:01Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle pdf-a has been created as an archive format of pdf, but time will tell if that's going to help ... Indeed digital libraries are not simple. Few probably know that DVD's don't last forever dus to data degredation, let alone magnetic/flash media ..... Overwrite every few years is the only solution
(DIR) Post #APkIokmKe9yxvkC9mS by mnshidqi@universeodon.com
2022-11-19T00:55:14Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle great idea, any further innovation regarding books on a platform?
(DIR) Post #APlnHkSQ6xqd7CaE1A by StevenXClontz@mathstodon.xyz
2022-11-19T17:41:18Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Bit rot is a real thing, but if a physical book only survives in the archives of a library in a random physical location, how accessible/preserved is it really?
(DIR) Post #APmxKJ2xfnf1ffUewK by stoicmike@zirk.us
2022-11-20T07:39:24Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle wouldn't it be simpler to go back to the proven technologies of paper books?
(DIR) Post #APqOLUiJ1iBZIzKf8y by the_turtle@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-11-21T22:24:52Z
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@internetarchive @brewsterkahle See also, "a lot of stuff on microfilm." Local libraries often have 1960s-era archives of local newspapers on microfilm reels that smell really vinegar-y. And the reader/printers are now unrepairable. Worse, often no one knows and no one cares.
(DIR) Post #APrnph1OWT1uB2iX2W by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2022-11-21T10:36:13Z
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@arend @internetarchive @brewsterkahle lzip ships with source code in its manual. there are no such with pdf. without such as poppler or mupdf library and compatible dependencies, one day those files will not open.