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(DIR) Post #APcVAs6tiFtJE2Rr5k by taylorlorenz@mastodon.social
2022-11-15T06:39:15Z
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Sorry to link out to Twitter but this is a good thread on Mastodon’s structural flaws and how they lead to the erasure of disabled people. https://twitter.com/stephtaitwrites/status/1592305950740078592?s=46&t=RK-V0dy8K1ssmFhaj7ZphQ
(DIR) Post #APcVAsZbzUrMf5smqe by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-15T06:50:51Z
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@taylorlorenz Might this be working off the assumption that servers are siloed, or that you have to join a specific interest-based server? It's an unfortunately common misconception. You and I are on the same server, but if you browse the Explore tab, you'll see a variety of content going viral that originates from wildly different servers.
(DIR) Post #APcVQyJqOdF17CBHpQ by tokyo_0@mstdn.jp
2022-11-15T06:47:58Z
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@taylorlorenz I just tried to read that and couldn't really understand what they were getting at. The local and federated timelines are features he doesn't have on Twitter, but he's worse off than he would be on Twitter because he wants to use a server that reflects his interests and so would carry local and federated timelines that carry only some of the content he wouldn't be getting any of on Twitter... ? I don't get it.
(DIR) Post #APcVQymueYUeZLmV8a by taylorlorenz@mastodon.social
2022-11-15T06:50:28Z
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@tokyo_0 Stpehanie’s tweets you mean? That’s the thread I was talking about not the one she QTd. She’s basically saying Mastodon is siloed in ways that make mass visibility hard (and I agree!)
(DIR) Post #APcVQzFGx7B7zJ39LE by joyo@thejoyo.com
2022-11-15T06:56:32.870372Z
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@taylorlorenz @tokyo_0 my server isn’t siloed. it’s federating with everyone and no one is blocked. I can message anyone for the most part.
(DIR) Post #APcVXrpUvFHF11H5wu by kaia@brotka.st
2022-11-15T06:57:47.421305Z
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@taylorlorenz > When literally half the posts in my Mastodon feed are white non-disabled ppl saying topics like the pandemic or political organizing or MAID all belong behind content warningsshe's on the wrong corner of fedi then? in my corner there are a lot of people with psychological challenges who require content warnings to be able to use fedi. I don't want to label them disabled, but it's not easy for them. marginalizing their struggles seems less than ideal.
(DIR) Post #APcWIofYURzOpA0l6G by anna@witches.live
2022-11-15T07:04:03Z
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@taylorlorenz quite frankly, this boils down to "the revolution is ableist because i don't understand how revolutions work" kind of take. i don't think "we need to have corporate monoliths control the public square so that disabled people can be heard" is a fundamentally sound argument or even view of reality in the first place.
(DIR) Post #APcWih839Dqoy1gACm by modpod@blob.cat
2022-11-15T07:06:47.665875Z
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@kaia @taylorlorenz she's missing how its supposed to work. it's elective, and community driven. cw is per instance, and or per friend at request. its like an honor system, and shows respect - when you're aware of a need to use it, use it. the point isn't a top down structural issue with mastodon. especially based on empirical observation after a week or two of test driving the thing.it's not that easy to categorize. i fear this is where a lot of people migrating from twitter fail, they're used to a static, pre-built solution and don't generally deal well with variable systems that have the levity to present multiple modalities of user experience.what's really going on here, imho- is that there is an adjustment curve, and a pre-conception - so often in ones worldview until we learn better, (and some never do,) Untoward making certain we can exist and survive within a system without trying to make it adapt to our sense of conformity or the sensibilities we bring to expect from our way of life.Taylor, mastodon is a multi modal auto didact. It adapts in real time, just like a person having a conversation, in the sense that it's malleable, and flexible. the CW isn't inherently necessary, and if you feel unsafe using mastodon, well welcome to the things that people deal with on a regular basis, and discuss in the real world, outside the insular bubble of a particular way of life.the real beauty of the world is in the myriad variability therein. Mastodon is a great example of this, because it allows free speech and does not censure people based on topics they choose to discuss, because they're impassioned about them and think about them. This breeds more open discussion, and to be frank- you're probably just experiencing shell shock. it's typical when one starts out here..it wears off, as your worldview broadens, and you get more comfortable with yourself. we all hope that you enjoy your stay, and learn to adapt. we could use better reporting of how the world is really functioning, versus the canned and dry stuff most folks are paid to write. adversity is real, and happens to people every day. we cope, we survive, and do the best that we know how to, on any particular day, but life is full of challenges, and it's how we choose to react to them, that ultimately defines us.signed lovingly and respectfully,the fediverse at large.
(DIR) Post #APcXReqkT4amvj1iJE by bartholin@lainchan.gay
2022-11-15T07:19:03.505680Z
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@taylorlorenz If you need Twitter algorithm to get the illusion of some convergence des luttes, something is wrong about the way you organize your political struggle. Solidarity is something you have to build socially, it’s a kind of… social construct, I guess. :blobcatmeowcouple:
(DIR) Post #APcqfLqNpITTAS6C36 by waifu@waifuism.life
2022-11-15T10:54:24.810603Z
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@taylorlorenz First of all, it's not mastodon it's THE FEDIVERSE.Second, she's saying people will "somehow" stop seeing certain people that are supposedly important, but that is not a flaw that is a feature, you SEE/READ what you want to see in the fediverse, it's up to you to decide what you want to see, if you want to see disabled people, you can find them, if you don't, you can block them. Exactly the same happens with every kind of community, regardless of the topic, but she seems to want control over what people want to see, that's why she didn't liked the fediverse, so much as to even call it mastodon instead of THE FEDIVERSE.
(DIR) Post #APcz5B719GMn2vhoCO by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-11-15T12:28:44.558801Z
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@taylorlorenz TIL #Mastodon kills disabled people
(DIR) Post #APcz97QylVJYnUvCBk by hyperplanes@mastodon.social
2022-11-15T07:05:53Z
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@Gargron @taylorlorenz the underlying complaint seems to be that quote-tweets drive virality and even if they implemented quote tweets on their own server it would only drive virality within their own server, because most servers won't have quote tweets.
(DIR) Post #APczA1idV2iFMTc5U8 by walid@mastodon.social
2022-11-15T08:14:18Z
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@taylorlorenz I think that Twitter thread is wrong. I've already connected to several people outside of my Mastodon instance. I can't do the same on Twitter or any other social media site. If anything, Mastodon is a more accessible place since we get to communicate with more than just our instance. And this is how it is now with limited interest and development.
(DIR) Post #APd5LSe0KdVZmNHZHk by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-15T07:10:58Z
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@hyperplanes @taylorlorenz A trove of wildly viral content on here disproves this idea. Just yesterday I saw a poll with 26 thousand votes in it. All you need for virality is the reblog (boost). There are people who are literally on a server-of-one and go viral regularly here.
(DIR) Post #APd5jXHyiM0J8PSYjY by admdly@mastodon.social
2022-11-15T07:29:26Z
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@Gargron @taylorlorenz siloed may not be the correct term, but I can see the basis of the argument. There doesn’t appear to be any universal reach with Mastodon, and discovery is rather poor. It’s very easy to develop an echo chamber, specifically if you do choose an interest specific instance as recommended, and can end up excluded from the wider network unless other instance users have followed off-instance users, etc.
(DIR) Post #APd5jXiv6BYSTy44jA by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-15T13:43:17.067673Z
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@admdly @Gargron @taylorlorenz the only silos or echo chambers on fedi are made that way by their users and admins by blocking large swaths of the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APdAku0mDXwBfSsucy by genmaicha@stereophonic.space
2022-11-15T14:39:18.058427Z
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@taylorlorenz that's true, fedi is a horrible place and you should leave
(DIR) Post #APdEJfywfddu9bIj8y by Capybro@social.capystan.net
2022-11-15T15:13:10.673451Z
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You can't do the same on other social media sides because there's no concept of instances on other social media sites. Each of them is essentially one giant instance. There are still more total users on Twitter than on every Mastodon instance combined. Most recent estimates I've seen are around 1m active openPub users (Mastodon, Pleroma, etc.) vs 206m active Twitter users.
(DIR) Post #APdEJgTmoyJRhFjMDQ by captain@pirateradio.social
2022-11-15T15:19:25.283503Z
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@Capybro @taylorlorenz @walid Numbers as of 21 hours ago
(DIR) Post #APdEQvjEWWSN1BPX84 by Capybro@social.capystan.net
2022-11-15T15:20:22.883948Z
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I was looking at active users for both, not total accounts. You know most Mastodon accounts are dead.
(DIR) Post #APdLktJXuPln07rRjc by joyo@thejoyo.com
2022-11-15T16:42:48.811713Z
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@admdlyI must use the word “siloed” differently then. My sever connects openly without any restrictions. I could tag anyone in any server that also connects openly.The only restrictions servers are making are for moderation, the key feature in which absence is causing much suffering on Twitter and Facebook. if moderation is what you call “an echo chamber” then we’re quite happy with that.I’ll tell you now, though. My interactions are much more varied than they were on Twitter or Facebook, given that there’s no threat of a ban hanging over our words. The most anyone can do I block me, and I them.
(DIR) Post #APeK4MCqhwqLMMqKEC by ThotsAndOpinions@poa.st
2022-11-16T03:58:37.555113Z
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@taylorlorenz Please erase yourself
(DIR) Post #APeKHMkO0Ya4nmjUP2 by Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-16T04:00:59.248013Z
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Stop talking we all know you're like 50 years old and use dead babies to look a little younger but you still look like a sour old bitch. GO AWAY Hitler told me you're a Kike.
(DIR) Post #APeKdtMbQCd4KZLime by KingDenizen@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-16T04:05:03.750334Z
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Why are you here then? To try and change things you don’t like? Go back to Twitter and try to change it since you don’t like it there.
(DIR) Post #APeLBcjbkoT0bRC7Rg by FediJoshJ@sneed.vip
2022-11-16T04:11:08.495918Z
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@taylorlorenz I would make the counter-argument that John Fetterman was just elected to the senate in spite of severe cognitive and verbal disabilities, and he had more support on Mastodon than on Twitter. I think a big storm of disability is about to hit Washington D.C. and will change things for the better!
(DIR) Post #APeLv6gFGNN6VdJFia by RGBAnatidae@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-16T04:11:54.705455Z
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It's not Mastodon, it's the fediverse you "tech" journalist.Not every place is going to be a safe space, not every place has to be tailored to you or your cadre of highly priviledged munchie crybullies.'Disabled' (if you can call these fakers such) people need to rise above their disabilities and learn to live like the rest of us, coddling them in a hugbox of "content warnings" and feel good words does nothing but perpetuate their (imagined in many cases) misery for the sake of them serving as blunt weapons for subhuman sociopaths such as yourself to wield.
(DIR) Post #AQjj87NLGocBtFmlGK by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-12-18T16:25:04Z
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@taylorlorenz wellon twitter they are also siloed out of viewnever seen a person speak about disability o twitter, cus i didn't follow the right peopleIt's the same on here, except people are very vocal about image descriptions, cws etcI also think you have to learn to tell priviledged people asking for cws on your activism to fuck offDon't know whats so hard about that
(DIR) Post #AQjk8L14eb9u9P2SB6 by alex@robot.rodeo
2022-11-15T20:17:07Z
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@Gargron @hyperplanes @taylorlorenz Which content is viral on here? The point of the thread is that the public is historically very adept at ignoring disability. What does Mastodon do to break that status quo, and amplify marginalized voices? If the answer is, "We treat everyone equally," then you're equally marginalizing those voices as much here as anywhere else. If that's not a priority, then it isn't, but please don't then claim that marginalized voices have access to public visibility here.
(DIR) Post #AQjk8M1otJLjI0OYym by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-12-18T16:36:17Z
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@alex @Gargron @hyperplanes @taylorlorenz I always find these points wierdAre you suggesting we use ai to systematically identify disabled and marginalized people, compile giant lists that are distributed among servers to give their posts a visibility boost?Sounds sus to meThats your job my brotherBoost, link and scout it outThe software does not or rather should not understand language and do wierd shitHow do you even propose we can raise peoples voices through software?Like what mechanism can you think off that would exclusively work in their favour?Better discovery features will also help nazis etc connectI think quote tweets in particular are mostly used to give posts negative attention abd are the only reson i have ever seen a Ben Shapiro tweet on my tlDef not a force for good
(DIR) Post #AQjk8NDCUU2yxajAMC by alex@robot.rodeo
2022-11-15T20:24:20Z
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@Gargron I will add: I like Mastodon so far. I'm happy to see there is one post about disability in the mastodon.social Explore feed. That's nice to see! Does it expose the realities of disability to a person who would otherwise be ignorant? I don't know. More than Twitter could? I don't think so? THAT is the point being made: that Mastodon does not seem to amplify visibility TO THE PUBLIC in that way that Twitter has. Your posts aren't wrong about Mastodon's use as a tool, but is it THAT tool?
(DIR) Post #AQjqX1nfprMHW8vXQu by hyperplanes@mastodon.social
2022-12-18T17:47:56Z
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@konni @alex @Gargron @taylorlorenz that's the thing, boosting doesn't work because you can't add your commentary to it. You're just boosting a privileged take without the ability to point out that it's privileged. They're not asking for algorithmic boosting of marginalized voices, they're asking for a quote tweet feature and searchability
(DIR) Post #AQjr1y5NhBAGyTxlJo by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-12-18T17:53:36Z
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@hyperplanes @alex @Gargron @taylorlorenz why give garbage more visability.Instead do:People that say ... always put a bad taste in my mouthI've seen the take floating around that ...No need to give attention and power to somebody, when you can adress their ideas behind it.If its important to cite the person, link itBut mostly, all attention is valuable, only no attention is a good response to eg abigot lmaoSearchability is a valid requestIt sucks that it is so badBut i mean that would help everyone and not at all level the playingfield for marginalized peopleBetter search enables better discovery of people you love but also better and more targeted harassment campaignsEspecially full text search
(DIR) Post #AQjrGy0EHpdL3ohmPA by hyperplanes@mastodon.social
2022-12-18T17:51:42Z
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@konni @alex @Gargron @taylorlorenz I get that these have downsides, I tend to think they're more good than bad, but also it seems like a reasonably easy to implement compromise is let individual users and servers opt out
(DIR) Post #AQjrGycVzUG4yYcM52 by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-12-18T17:56:19Z
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@hyperplanes @alex @Gargron @taylorlorenz true i guess
(DIR) Post #AQjrKOyqRO5RbChBJo by hyperplanes@mastodon.social
2022-12-18T17:56:53Z
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@konni @alex @Gargron @taylorlorenz search would also make mastodon a lot better as a way to find information, for example about breaking news stories. People tell me "but mastodon is not twitter" ok well where can I go to follow news then
(DIR) Post #AQjrsWUt03Pel2x8Oe by konni@toot.kartonrad.de
2022-12-18T18:03:06Z
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@hyperplanes @alex @Gargron @taylorlorenz Yaeh those people are cringe"It's good that it's bad actually haha"No it's not lmao The thing is masto supports search, but only for things that have been federated, and admins have to install elasticsearch(I didn't lmao do i look like i'm rich enough for the RAM required?)For decentralized things like the internet, crawlers that try to compile a global search index are usually the solutionThats what google isBut People are divided on thisI think its not too bad of an idea to build a fediverse crawler, as long as it doesnt index unlisted posts
(DIR) Post #AQjsCPTQp3sOlaksoS by alex@robot.rodeo
2022-12-18T18:06:40Z
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@konni No, I do not think any purely technical feature will solve these problems. I think the single driving person behind this software consistently responding around marginalized groups’ complaints that he sees no issue is a root problem. But there’s nothing I can say on this that Dr. Jonathon Flowers hasn’t already said better, here or on Twitter, before or since the thread that started this discussion. You can find him here on the same handle as in the Twitter screenshots, and you should.