Post APZymHO90ShfXFpDWK by billbennett@mastodon.nz
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(DIR) Post #APZyYBcndf6vbbxa1Q by billbennett@mastodon.nz
2022-11-14T01:03:39Z
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Heard @aurynn talking Mastodon on RNZ Nine-to-Noon this morning and ticked the subject off my list of possible topics for this Thursday’s technology slot.
(DIR) Post #APZyYCHDDPR9cwrr0q by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-14T01:04:24Z
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@billbennett you can talk to me too if you like 😉
(DIR) Post #APZyYCmPLQOHBhSldY by billbennett@mastodon.nz
2022-11-14T01:08:54Z
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@aurynn Ha. You did a good job explaining the subject. One thing I wondered about: are the servers all cloud based, do people use on premise hardware or is it, which I expect to be the case, a mix of the two.
(DIR) Post #APZyYDF7cfMKckthOS by aurynn@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-14T01:10:42Z
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@billbennett It's a mix. Some, like me, use cloud resources. Cloud Island is entirely on Catalyst Cloud.I'm pretty sure mastodon.nz uses dedicated hardware in a datacentre ( @idanoo can chime in here). Others use, for instance, literal Raspberry Pis, or home servers, or whatever.
(DIR) Post #APZyYDhTvE2o2iALb6 by billbennett@mastodon.nz
2022-11-14T01:17:37Z
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@aurynn @idanoo Interesting. I was talking to Chorus earlier and asked if anyone there had stats about the number of home-based servers that might be on the fibre network, (there aren’t any) I was thinking maybe websites and file-sharing and various indieweb applications, but didn’t think specifically about Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #APZyYEEnvKhPi3kxXM by plambrechtsen@mastodon.nz
2022-11-14T01:19:20Z
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@aurynn @idanoo @billbennett I think the number of NZ servers outside the big two are few. But nothing to say you couldn’t. But. Really. Would you want to? I could do it for the LOLs and capacity wise it should be fine as long as I have a WAF/DDoS control in front.
(DIR) Post #APZyYEhsBFx3ADMAqW by jwp@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-14T01:22:16Z
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@plambrechtsen @aurynn @idanoo @billbennett Lots of reasons - running a VC instance for example works much better running on the NZ Access network NZ than going to any of the cloud provided video bridge including their in country CDN systems
(DIR) Post #APZyYFDQHxBkk47N1U by jwp@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-14T01:30:04Z
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@plambrechtsen @aurynn @idanoo @billbennett Long lived instances of things are a much harder / complicated proposition, but going to the cloud for some of those is just as if not more problematic.I guess going back to mastodon - I probably wouldn't run one off my residential edge compute. But conversely there are a heap of functions we have punted to providers which we should not be and could easily be running as temporary things on our home networks. Incentives are to not design for that.
(DIR) Post #APZyYFcamNK007tTFo by billbennett@mastodon.nz
2022-11-14T01:33:34Z
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@jwp @plambrechtsen @aurynn @idanoo “…conversely there are a heap of functions we have punted to providers which we should not be and could easily be running as temporary things on our home networks. Incentives are to not design for that.”I think a lot about this. Especially with things you might describe as “smart home”… and wonder why would you give that data to tech giants?
(DIR) Post #APZyYG3BBWaZKaKhhA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:38:32Z
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@billbennett > why would you give that data to tech giants?Exactly! People voluntarily put devices in their homes that have a mic and a net connection constantly turned on (already a juicy target for attackers of various kinds), and an always-on connection to a datafarming corporation. Just... why? 😳There are local-only ways to provide all the benefits of such devices.@jwp @plambrechtsen @aurynn @idanoo @lightweight
(DIR) Post #APZymHO90ShfXFpDWK by billbennett@mastodon.nz
2022-11-14T01:41:08Z
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@strypey @jwp @plambrechtsen @aurynn @idanoo @lightweight I often endure presentations of this kind of product thinking to myself “I wonder how many people you will be able to con into buying it?” I’ve been told I’m cynical, but I actually think the right word would be “realist”.
(DIR) Post #APZyxmLIGD4iisyVZA by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:28:39Z
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@plambrechtsen who're the 'big two' you're referring to? @aurynn @idanoo @billbennett
(DIR) Post #APZyxmmEe2cs4Ra1Ym by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:43:01Z
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@lightweight I read that as @plambrechtsen talking about Mastodon hosting in Aotearoa, so mastodon.nz and cloudisland.
(DIR) Post #APZz4N1wlhcWFK4Kh6 by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:44:08Z
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@strypey the same way people in NZ have *the perception* that our gov't isn't corrupt, people tend to think the best of 'big tech' because they're completely dependent on it, and accepting how badly they're being exploited would make them feel bad all the time. So it's blissful ignorance. @billbennett @jwp @plambrechtsen @aurynn @idanoo
(DIR) Post #APZzAM13S8LepzVMJM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:45:30Z
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@billbennett Anyone who wants to listen to @aurynn talking to RNZ about Mastodon can find it here:https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018866818/twitter-users-seek-alternative-to-musk-run-platform.nz #RNZ #NineToNoon #interviews
(DIR) Post #APZzJt2E3hRlqlb8gi by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:47:12Z
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@strypey in which case mastodon.nzoss.nz is the big third, also hosted in NZ (at CatalystCloud.nz as well - with a sponsorship arrangement). I figured @plambrechtsen meant AWS and Azure, although neither has a presence onshore in Aotearoa NZ yet, so far as I know.
(DIR) Post #APZzeNq7ElxxBGhuls by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:50:48Z
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@billbennett > number of home-based servers that might be on the fibre networkFor some reason I'd got it into my head that self-hosting servers on home broadband was either a ToS violation, or ISPs made it technically impractical (eg arbitrary limits on upload bandwidth). If I'm wrong about that, I've never been happier to be wrong about something.@aurynn @idanoo @plambrechtsen @lightweight @jwp
(DIR) Post #APZzpLBXRlYI8Kx6vo by jwp@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-14T01:52:47Z
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@strypey @billbennett @aurynn @idanoo @plambrechtsen @lightweight I think the better question than 'servers' is really a function of what is the upstream bandwidth totals from residential connections. If you're sending stuff your basically a server, even if only whilst you upload into google photos or whatever
(DIR) Post #APZzwwUz77y1t2fn8K by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:54:07Z
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@strypey usually it's difficult because hosting providers a) have very low upload speeds for domestic accounts, and b) it's they often change your IP address every few days or weeks, making it difficult to have consistent access from outside. Being able to secure a static IP address the latter. @billbennett @aurynn @idanoo @plambrechtsen @jwp
(DIR) Post #APa0w4YZlkn8XhVAum by billbennett@mastodon.nz
2022-11-14T02:05:17Z
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@strypey @aurynn @idanoo @plambrechtsen @lightweight @jwp Off the top of my head the main problem is that most ISPs will switch your IP address without warning. A persistent IP address is possible, it can cost more… not much more
(DIR) Post #APa10Z9jwXhabT1mRE by jwp@cloudisland.nz
2022-11-14T01:56:16Z
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@lightweight @strypey @billbennett @aurynn @idanoo @plambrechtsen Feh Statics are over-rated and mostly irrelevant in this day and age. I don't use them and pref having a pool IP because it's a better form of protection than any firewall. If I want consistent addressing then I use a CDN protected endpoint + DNS.
(DIR) Post #APa10ZgLzHn2EcHpGy by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T01:59:41Z
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@jwp heh, ok, that's another way to do it. 😁 But I'd suggest not too many people who might be inclined to do self-hosting would get their heads around it... @strypey @billbennett @aurynn @idanoo @plambrechtsen
(DIR) Post #APa10a9QFD2fglt2a8 by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-11-14T02:06:11.047041Z
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It turned out to be surprisingly easy to get godaddy to operate as a dynamic DNS service. It's a single script available online that you just set up as a cronjob to update the DNS if your outside address changed.Probably a lot fewer barriers to entry than most people might think.
(DIR) Post #APa1KOlUHr9AAR8mP2 by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T02:08:38Z
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@sj_zero ok - good to know should I ever lose my static IP :) (although I prefer to avoid goDaddy if possible - I prefer using my local registrar whom I trust because I know him personally :) ) @aurynn @jwp @strypey @billbennett @idanoo @plambrechtsen
(DIR) Post #APa1KPDUbjY3ZIF93Q by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-11-14T02:09:47.189960Z
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I got my domains from them forever ago and for a long term so it's sort of inertia, but I'm sure they're not unique in being capable of changing your DNS entries with a script.
(DIR) Post #APa1R8imKrLeR55WDI by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T02:10:37Z
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@sj_zero noted. :) @aurynn @jwp @strypey @billbennett @idanoo @plambrechtsen
(DIR) Post #APaqMqq7yJ5XTuEoT2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-14T11:41:35Z
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@lightweightGive me convenience or give me death! ;)