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(DIR) Post #APYBG8Zr8mhS1tO3zU by Blackgendermoderate@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T04:51:38.777592Z
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I really hate the term "tranny." And also "troon," which is almost as bad as the former. I consider them slurs. I know the horrible things many in their community are saying to and about gender critical women (i.e., women who say dare to have boundaries). I know some of them are straight-up serial killer-esque. But it really offends me.Spinsters, how do you feel about these terms?
(DIR) Post #APYFoh6rejzanBYmY4 by LostInCalifornia@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T05:42:42.641580Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I don’t use the words, but “tranny” is something that trans people used to describe themselves for decades. “Troon” isn’t something I’ve ever heard except online.
(DIR) Post #APYG1FSNmRTknDbx6O by earlgrey@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T05:44:47.191594Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I'll call males whatever the hell I please, there's no moral equivalence or handwriting here. They're the aggressors.
(DIR) Post #APYGNw5JyG2xN8dtzs by earlgrey@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T05:45:37.512805Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I'll call males whatever the hell I please, there's no moral equivalence here. They're the aggressors.
(DIR) Post #APYcoGnlla8I94OYq0 by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T10:00:21.277953Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I think it’s clear from the way they’re used, that they’re intended as insults much of the time.However, I don’t hate insults, nor am I disgusted by them. I mostly stay clear of insults myself, because I don’t consider them productive. I have fewer compunctions about insulting descriptions, as long as I believe them to be accurate. But I don’t see much point in name-calling, which is what plain insults really are.
(DIR) Post #APYdAoYWwwbtCe18Ay by Cousin_Isobel@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T10:04:25.407550Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I think of “troon” as a slur, but not “tranny.” To me, “tranny” is more like a nickname. Are we sure that “tranny” wasn’t just the normal shortening of “transvestite,” used within those same circles, for the first few decades that cross-dressing was a known and semi-accepted thing?I actually won’t call someone like Lia Thomas or these stupid Antifa pink-hair types a “tranny.” That’s giving them more respect that I’d like to. A “tranny” is old-fashioned and still has a foot in reality. Frank-n-furter is a tranny.Another benefit of “tranny” is that it gives those who have and have not had cosmetic procedures done the single, umbrella term they are looking for. They want “transwoman” or “transgender woman,” but I won’t grant them anything that has “woman” in it if we are talking about men. “Tranny” is perfect for those who believe that “transgender” does not make a good noun, as in, “I saw a transgender today.” Also, “tranny” lacks the word “gender,” which I think is beyond usefulness at this point.“Troon” is, I believe, a slur that people who dislike trans-identified men came up with. When I use that term, I do mean it as an insult. However, more often, I try to use crystal-clear language, because lack of clarity in language is, I think, what has confused the public so utterly.
(DIR) Post #APYrlc5RffnKbTr1CC by angryandignored@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T10:26:57.403523Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I try to stay away from the labels people use when connected with the idea of killing and degrading people. It also dislike the cult speak of "terf/tranny" when the reality of the problem is sexed body denialism and the subjugation of women while everyone has the power of naming what their sense perceive taken from them. I believe a lot of times words are just words. I however feel the same way about the term "cis" when applied outside of it's invented place: chemistry. I wish every women would start explaining that it was used by a male German sexologist who wanted to normalize "pedosexuality" as if it was just another type of normal attraction and erases the rights of children to be safe from predatory adults, just as it erases the rights of women to be safe from predatory men. So, I honestly feel that the term that's least attached to direct murder threats and that's used to normalize the coercion of unisex spaces is the most dangerous. I don't like when people use a label that's connected to murdering people.My view is based off of the fact that I witnessed real human suffering of a house full of women, pretty much all of whom lived in terror of being homeless or jobless regarding the erasure of sex based language and also who there was legitimate medical abuse of what I am pretty sure is a mentally disabled male who was castrated. There were so many women who suffered and even a man. There was bodily healthy predatory man who was also able to access women's only space too who thanks to word play and magic spell declaration was able to flash me with zero reprocussions. It was such a cluster fuck and I haven't been able to fix anything and I am struggling to house myself and relate to people and to keep the memories at bay. We need clear language regarding sex based rights, the power of naming has literally been stolen from the common person by a religious/industry/academia/insert group of people who aren't fighting for survival here. Women are adult human females.Cis is a term made by a pedophile sexologist and should probably be more of your focus than anything. None of the kids who adopt that language know the entomology of the word just like they don't know the pink, blue and white flag was made by a man who stole women's underwear.I would dedicate my energy there. The truth is a lot of the threats of murdering physically able bodied males made on the internet are empty threats and it is not an empty threat to dehumanize language towards women. Rase awareness regarding the two "C" words: The pedosexual promoting male sexologist who took "cis" from a hard science and applied it to destroy the conversation regarding sexed bodies and the or "C" word: Castration, which is what very few males sign up for but even when they do, it still doesn't stop the hardcore sex predators and ends up being a gameplay to those who keep their penis who wish to gain access to a single sex space, not to mention that the actual surgery itself isn't strongly demonstrated to improve quality of life outside of the advertising promotion made by the surgeons and the sexual fetish motivated group of males who wish to live vicariously through others who get castrated like the grown men who worship Jazz Jennings as some sort of weird demigod/doll who's not allowed to speak frankly about how surgeries impacted him. So remember, women are adult human females, sex based rights exist and if you're looking at the issues regarding slurs, ask yourself where the real amount of death and violence lies?Does it lie with women being killed by their male partners?Does it lie with prostitutes being killed by the men who buy the bodies of women, children and even other men? Does it lie with the children being brought into a suicide and castration cult? Does it lie with the individual who dies on the operation table during sex organ surgery?Does it lie the individual who kills themselves after the high from the surgery wears off? Why are women and children always considered last and what does it mean when we give up the power of naming them? Where does the real problem of violence lie? I hate everything.
(DIR) Post #APYsCl9u3AMyYfsqIq by FeartnTired@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T10:08:07.877138Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese @Blackgendermoderate I don't use them. but I'm not upset by others using them. I think in the wider context of saying they deserve violence an insulting name is preferable. But I don't think I've ever used troon, and not sure if I ever used tranny - it used to mean Transvestite, so that changes my view of it.I quite like TIM and TIF, they are handily descriptive, but of course they will consider them transphobic and insulting.
(DIR) Post #APYvga8TtgzKvB89Kq by MardiShakti@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T06:02:26.082210Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I believe, these words started to be used "instead", due to online-censorship and banning of anyone civilly saying things straight-up, as they are.Such as: "Transwomen are Men."As it is, I grew up in a super-gay environment, "Tranny" is an affectionate word where I come from. 😂But, trans ruined that, too.They ruined half of my favourite movies, most of my favourite colours, my sense of safety, and pretty much my life. As for the "threatening" to rape and murder, what I have a real problem with IS the raping and murdering.Words don't affect me; although someone who values "Words" in the Love Language might be bothered. I like 'troon' because it's like "Cartoon", which so many of them actually are.Barbie*cough Kardashian*cough
(DIR) Post #APYw6VXBd0bMBA34S0 by ninapaley@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T13:36:32.671102Z
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@Blackgendermoderate “Tranny” was used affectionately and ironically in my circles in San Francisco in the 1990’s, and same in my close circles today. Both “tranny” and “TERF” are slurs when used by outsiders, and can be affectionate when used by insiders. I use both as an insider. Drives people crazy. Tough shit. https://www.heterodorx.com/terftrannyalliance/
(DIR) Post #APYwj4PkOSLDMTxOJE by Sherri_Ingrey@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T06:03:44.054794Z
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@Blackgendermoderate don't like them , don't use them. That is what freedom of speech is.
(DIR) Post #APYwrDjjcJOKaiBz4i by Fullycaffeinated@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T13:44:59.383283Z
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@Blackgendermoderate To me, the daughter of a mechanic, tranny is an automotive term. Short for transmission....
(DIR) Post #APZ0HsEPypdZZjweIa by william@genderheretics.xyz
2022-11-13T14:23:00.956975Z
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"You're a quart low on your gender fluid."
(DIR) Post #APZ1uFhJHZLVJQK5nk by tangleofsnakes@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T14:41:33.237736Z
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@Cousin_Isobel @Blackgendermoderate Troon came from Something Awful. SA members call themselves goons, so the trans users started calling themselves troons.
(DIR) Post #APZ4hQJ6pAj0JcZsFU by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T09:13:26.859802Z
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@earlgrey They are dangerous degenerate scum, may they rot, the lot of them.Hell will freeze before I’d ever give them anything but a kick up the arse.
(DIR) Post #APZ4pGN9e4jXouCy1o by Gelatinousrube@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T15:14:16.357406Z
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@Fullycaffeinated @Blackgendermoderate My trade has parts called "transitions" which are referred to as "trannies." We also use diagonal cutters which are referred to as "dikes."At least they were by journeymen who would say these things around me and then stutter and stammer and say "Uh ..I mean..." To which I would reply, "It's ok, some of my best friends are diagonal cutters."
(DIR) Post #APZ8JOqD1W1IdQrNhY by AnneBevan@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T15:52:00.690055Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I hate being called “cis”. That is a slur. When I was on Twitter, I replied to a tweeter who called me “cis” that from then on, I was going to call them “tranny”. Because “tranny” is the word for people of any sex who call me “cis”. Cue an intervention by Kristina Harrison who instructed me that I couldn’t call a person “tranny” because it was too hurtful. When I argued that I had a right to decide what was hurtful to me and reply accordingly, he repeated his instructions several times. He is convinced that he occupies a higher position than women (not as high as men) and has the right to instruct us in our duties.
(DIR) Post #APZ8nCXJKwx79yENoO by sub_aetha@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T15:53:50.626632Z
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@AnneBevan @Blackgendermoderate #notyourcister
(DIR) Post #APZAMSIwnoNq9bt3b6 by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T16:10:35.475814Z
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@Blackgendermoderate Troon/tranny would be a departure from my typical vocabulary. I don’t find the words offensive and think they shouldn’t be spoken, per say. It just sounds like name-calling to me and I’ve always thought name-calling sounded silly/immature so I’d feel silly/immature using those words. I feel similarly about words like “moid” or “scrote.” Like if I were having a face to face convo and someone was talking like that I’d be mildly amused. It all registers like “poopy face” to me. XDSomewhat related, if I’m speaking to someone who abundantly relies on curse words to complete a sentence I’m more likely to make a snap judgment on their overall level of intelligence… for better or for worse… until I get to know them. I did quickly adopt TIF/TIM because that’s an accurate description of what I’m talking about.
(DIR) Post #APZCFpEHN1W18Qfa7c by EmmyNoether@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T16:33:13.162239Z
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@GalacticTurtle @Blackgendermoderate I think as a general rule, Brits are much swearier than people from North America.
(DIR) Post #APZCGOgrWkAx7DJP28 by Flick@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T16:37:36.841125Z
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@EmmyNoether @GalacticTurtle @Blackgendermoderate Fuck yes.
(DIR) Post #APZCL9b34ZoDkbrQQa by stingray@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T16:33:09.062408Z
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@Blackgendermoderate They're slurs, but:1. I'm a social chameleon and the terms are used frequently here2. I think the history of these terms is less loaded than other slurs3. Transes have never given a shit about my feelings so why should i give a shit about theirs4. They probably like it anyway because feeling oppressed gives them a boner
(DIR) Post #APZGO1nav7l8FhM4Q4 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T17:22:16.804844Z
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@Flick @EmmyNoether Treble fuck, shit, bastard, bugger, Hell and all the rest.
(DIR) Post #APZIdGeYAv6OZcWFNo by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T17:26:37.942684Z
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@AnneBevan @Blackgendermoderate Harrison is a total piece of narc shit, a filthy vile scrote, he’sthe one WPUK arse kissed and threw Stella under the bus for.Fucking shameful behaviour, he is such a vile bastard sumbag.
(DIR) Post #APZIdHJfi1zmd9l5Tk by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T17:31:36.254438Z
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@AnneBevan @Blackgendermoderate https://womensliberationradionews.com/2020/07/12/cartoonist-stella-perretts-right-of-reply-to-morning-star-readers/
(DIR) Post #APZIdHrLgovyJbVyyG by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T17:34:55.695674Z
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@AnneBevan @Blackgendermoderate https://uncommongroundmedia.com/which-side-are-you-on-girls-trans-widows/Imagine a woman’s liberation movement so concerned with being seen to not be bigoted that they would choose him over me. When you clapped his speech, would you wonder if there was a wife at home, looking after the children and putting on a brave face to the world?I ask a simple question- who is more important to the Womens’ Liberation movement: me or my ex-husband? Which of us do you chose? Because you can’t have both. The inclusion of transsexual “allies” in feminism, excludes trans widows.This is a question that the leaders of some feminist groups seem unwilling to answer, but it is one that cuts to the heart of the debate over women’s rights and gender identity.How many women are being silenced because their voices are given lower priority in feminism than that of their husband, father, son or male acquaintance? All of the transsexual “allies” have women in the shadows.This is a subject that I have been banging on about for several years now, so it has been heartening to see it mentioned in recent articles by Julia Long and Dr Em.
(DIR) Post #APZL4iSr557YYXGUoS by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T16:39:12.434797Z
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@EmmyNoether @Blackgendermoderate I am aware of this and my brain does factor that in… especially on those long festival production days with crews from that side of the pond. “No he’s not mad, Turtle, that’s just the way he talks!”
(DIR) Post #APZL4iurOxWRxOMrSq by FeartnTired@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T17:48:49.126710Z
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@GalacticTurtle @EmmyNoether @Blackgendermoderate mad = crazy vs mad = angryit's known here as conversational swearing. as opposed to just bein angry. I'm afraid I started using the F word after I came here. Having avoided it most of my life. I'm just angry about lots of stuff all the time. and it's in such common use here! Personally I blame Funsize.The hells and the bloodys used to be sufficient. and there's a lot more shits and shites. I'm just furious most of the time. Unless I'm too exhausted and then I'm just upset.I'd be fun at parties.
(DIR) Post #APZL4jUJH9sXjKxAie by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T18:14:18.883206Z
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@FeartnTired @Blackgendermoderate @EmmyNoether I once did a nine month long concert tour where my main working counterpart was a Staten Island guy from a family of mechanics. It took me a good couple weeks to decipher what he was trying to convey between all the swearing lol. But he also had quite a short fuse so half the time he was actually upset. I wonder what his blood pressure is like. That tour consisted of six total fist fights breaking out on the loading dock. 🙃
(DIR) Post #APZMdvaMOBGJL885lg by jugendverfuhrer@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-13T18:33:55.659922Z
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@HebrideanHecate @AnneBevan @Blackgendermoderate What are we liberating women from, exactly?
(DIR) Post #APZZtHyCkEU8VowBxQ by TheInebriati@spinster.xyz
2022-11-13T21:00:51.589653Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I don't use those terms myself but I wouldn't report someone that does. We aren't the oppressor class. They are not at any risk from us, their activities cause us harm even without the endless death and rape threats.
(DIR) Post #ASYwDZdsVzFHkQLIFU by stephagain@spinster.xyz
2023-02-11T07:14:07.391784Z
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@Blackgendermoderate I don't use them, understand some women use them out of frustration but I don't
(DIR) Post #ASYwRJ2549FqHvD8ca by polarisera@spinster.xyz
2023-02-11T07:16:35.781719Z
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@Blackgendermoderate Being polite to your oppression and invader is a losing move