Post APYhBf99omxK7voED2 by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
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(DIR) Post #APXetl1ip7405Jhovo by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-11-12T22:49:01.455Z
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My evening is already destroyed by AI discourse, so why not keep going. :drgn_flat:An argument I hear often is that using an AI means I can get a piece in an artist's style when it should've been a commission. This doesn't really work for my situation because I don't copy an individual artist's style in my generated art -- it's a remix of things from both the original data and the data I added. I don't think commissioning ~10 artists at once is even possible, and if it was you'd better have lots of money."Then commission an artist whose style is close enough"Sure, I guess I could do that.But this is where the second problem comes in: The way this usually goes with good artists (who are usually also popular) is that commissions are closed, the queues are full for the next 3 years, they never respond, and/or you have to keep track of them on Twitter for those 5 nanoseconds they're open before 10 billion followers snatch all slots.I went through it all and I hated it. I won't even try commissioning an artist anymore if I notice any of these things because this is too stressful.And now there is AI that allows me to create good art of my random ideas. It's art that otherwise never would've existed because without the instantaneous feedback of AI I wouldn't even know if the idea worked or if I liked the implementation.On the flip side, with ideas that proved to be good such as the fox-corvid-gryphon, I am now considering creating more art of it with my own abilities and maybe commission someone if there ever is a chance. So if anything, AI has increased my willingness to buy commissions.This whole situation is strikingly similar to the music/video/gaming industry, piracy and the concept of "lost sales". Food for thought.
(DIR) Post #APXfbin6Ut6ztNpdbs by kino@fedi.intkos.link
2022-11-12T22:56:58.094Z
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@volpeon@mk.vulpes.one Every argument I've heard against AI art generation is transparent cope. I honestly don't think I've ever once heard a compelling argument against it. The only negative criticisms I've heard, and agree with, are with the proprietary nature of certain technologies and models and how these tools will be kept from wide accessibility by corporate interests. But, that's it---no real valid arguments against the technology itself.
(DIR) Post #APXfnuQD5207RIw1su by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-12T22:59:10.407508Z
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@kino @volpeon :blobcatwine: yet another job humans needn't do. wonderful.:blobfoxtableflip: NO MY PAYPIGS:what_cirno:
(DIR) Post #APXgbbVNgZoVFY3AC8 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-12T23:08:10.114159Z
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@roboneko @kino @volpeon well the downsides are that computers are destroying jobs. retards keep coping at me that "nooooo it'll be like last time bro they'll just replace that lifetime of training with a different skillset bro" and, well.:comfypopcorn: y'all ready to kill capitalism yet? or we gotta go through more
(DIR) Post #APXghA2ai6mFoAEXia by AlexiWolf@meow.social
2022-11-12T23:08:46Z
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@volpeon I feel like people commission artists for specific reasons that AI just can't meet.For example, OCs. Like I may be able to ask an AI to draw *a* character, and with some prodding I may get something nice, but it would very difficult to get an AI to draw *my* character.Also, if I want something from that specific artist, or I want to support them specifically, an AI imitation just wouldn't do it for me.
(DIR) Post #APXgxUTAWbLjneS3e4 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-12T23:12:06.942789Z
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@roboneko @kino @volpeon well the problem is like the last industrial revolution, the fourth one is just further centralizing everything.you have to kill capitalism *now* or it's just gonna keep being the same shitshow of billionaires competing over data farms to train their robots
(DIR) Post #APXhRC8zDtgpeTAwvA by feli@mk.paritybit.ca
2022-11-12T23:16:48.462Z
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@volpeon@mk.vulpes.one to me it feels a lot like the general capitalistic "let the (someone on the bottom of the food chain) bear the cost of change". yes artists dont earn enough money. but why should that be the burden of those who previously had no or little access to art (or to certain art styles, because they were not talented/trained in them/not enough money for commissions or whatever the reason). giving people chances and options is good. fullstop. if art is so important, then accessibility is even more important than in other ares. ai, like all tech and everything else, comes with problems, but it should be addressed by those closest to the cause/those causing the most harm. and thats usually either companies or society, very rarely only the individual person. you can literally substitute any other context of 'user' or 'consumer' with this. and it makes me angry that its always left people making these arguments, its just such an upside down world view.
(DIR) Post #APXtUotQoIOA9HOXaK by kino@fedi.intkos.link
2022-11-13T01:32:36.160Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat The narrative that automation and technological development simply creates new, better jobs than the ones it replaces is patently false. Automation and continued technological developments will essentially replace most jobs at all levels. This is just a reality. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just going to radically shake up the model we've based civilization around since forever. The only real questions are how we intend to handle this new paradigm of human civilization that's on the horizon. @roboneko@bae.st @volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
(DIR) Post #APXu4opMX1LiN0eo7d by threalist@social.fbxl.net
2022-11-13T01:39:07.051674Z
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> Automation and continued technological developments will essentially replace most jobs at all levels. This is just a reality.Basically the Amish were right.
(DIR) Post #APXuBdJliqPshW836W by kino@fedi.intkos.link
2022-11-13T01:40:20.314Z
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@threalist@social.fbxl.net I mean, sure, that's one direction we could go: just reject it all outright and intentionally nerf ourselves in a neo-Luddite way and return to "simpler times".
(DIR) Post #APYhBf99omxK7voED2 by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-11-13T10:49:22.950Z
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One more thing I got to experience when commissioning an artist: getting pushed back in the queue. 2 months turned into 2 years, and the sad thing is others have made even worse experiences (not necessarily with the same artist).There were probably things happening in the artist's life, or they possibly ran out of motivation which is something I can strongly relate to, or maybe they just suck at time management. I don't know. But it's undeniable that all these conditions are barriers.Let me repeat that I'm a hobby vector artist, but a professional software developer. I can create art myself, but my limited spare time won't allow me to expand my skill set outside of vector art and so I rely on others as well. I see both sides, and I do believe that these barriers must be torn down.People have asked me in the past if I do commissions. I denied because I know I can't handle it. To those people I say now: take my art and train the AI with it! All I ask for is that my name isn't used for the training because I don't want to have a Greg Rutkowski situation on my hands.
(DIR) Post #APYjm93AJcHLChWwHA by Looming@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-13T11:18:25.013811Z
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@volpeon As a tangential point:Many artists who take commissions are happy when they have poses/visual references/similar landscapes/similar characters to work with. AI rarely creates exactly what you want to have but it does create pretty good references. I honestly think it's fantastic for cobbling collages together that help communicate a vision.
(DIR) Post #APYnEvDt6QzQa2xWiG by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-11-13T11:57:12.679Z
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Missing word:Let me repeat that I'm a hobby vector artist, but [also] a professional software developer
(DIR) Post #APZPkgme7VAHK2n9dI by Korozar@meow.social
2022-11-13T16:57:31Z
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@volpeon If you can find artists that consent to let you train your AI on their body of work, by all means do it!The issue most people have with this is that you aren't asking the artists permission to use their art. You HAVE to ask permission as most artists don't want their art used this way. The backlash against DeviantArt's opt-out system for AI training proves this.Consent is really REALLY important!
(DIR) Post #APZPkhHqFW7OsnO4G0 by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-11-13T19:08:43.148Z
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@Korozar@meow.social Yes, but my post was strictly about the "lost commissions" argument and usage of AI regardless of whether custom training is involved or not. I will reply to your post in the other thread
(DIR) Post #APZW3YievVOVXRJ9wO by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-11-13T20:18:38.776924Z
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@volpeon It ignores that most AI art is stuff that nobody was ever going to commission.Even apart from money, if I'm going to go to all the trouble of finding someone taking commissions, getting in their queue, waiting for them to finish, etc. to get cyberpunk renditions of the Canadian flag, or see how many stylistic visions of rainbow neon foxes flying spaceships through cyberspace I can come up with.
(DIR) Post #APZWD3M0OgFN9kEsu8 by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-11-13T20:20:43.868293Z
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@volpeon It ignores that most AI art is stuff that nobody was ever going to commission.Even apart from money, if I'm going to go to all the trouble of finding someone taking commissions, getting in their queue, waiting for them to finish, etc. it's not going to be to get cyberpunk renditions of the Canadian flag, or see how many stylistic visions of rainbow neon foxes flying spaceships through cyberspace they can come up with.
(DIR) Post #APZWhLDmWzXlG4ppom by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-11-13T20:26:31.189Z
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@Azure@tailswish.industries Good point! I don't think I'd waste a commission slot on a fox with a cup of cofe either :drgn_laugh_sweat: