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 (DIR) Post #APWusKQZdZKlPLi7UG by kristinHenry@vis.social
       2022-11-12T01:21:47Z
       
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       Ok, we've updated the 'Rule' about AI images...I hope this is more clear. We're in the process of updating all of the 'Rules'. By the way, 'Rules' is how Mastodon phrases it. I'd prefer to call them 'Policies' or something more welcoming.
       
 (DIR) Post #APWusKsZxRjeoCoU8e by odbol@vis.social
       2022-11-12T05:30:52Z
       
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       @kristinHenry that's disappointing. Soon, most images will be AI generated, or at least AI enhanced. That's the reality we live in now. Imagine if 30 years ago you banned all Photoshop art, and only allowed physical art or photography. Imagine all of the culture and techniques and inventions and creativity in digital artistry you'd be missing out on. Engaging with AI technology, sharing it, critiquing it, shaping the culture around it—instead of avoiding it—is the best way to stay relevant.
       
 (DIR) Post #APWusLo0VvflgJgLeS by FlyingTrilobite@vis.social
       2022-11-12T14:13:18Z
       
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       @odbol @kristinHenry if I may jump in, there’s a fundamental difference between a toolkit like Photoshop and word prompt AI images. The current crop of AI art platforms are relying on datasets of images scraped from the web like LAION-5B (5 billion images).It was already on shaky ground when used for research under Fair Use, but now that these platforms have used it to train AI for commercial products, they’ve essentially stolen billions of hours of artists’ labour without consent.
       
 (DIR) Post #APWusNEdCQZ07B97my by kristinHenry@vis.social
       2022-11-12T01:40:29Z
       
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       Just updated all the 'Rules'.  Thankful to have the help of @darth_mall and @nrchtct while working through these.
       
 (DIR) Post #APWusRhUb41hxqgEKW by odbol@vis.social
       2022-11-12T05:54:28Z
       
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       @kristinHenry I appreciate mastodon.art's more nuanced rules around AI art: it's cautious, yet still provides opportunity to engage in the conversation and critiques.
       
 (DIR) Post #APX8NqhJ0WEps8tghc by odbol@vis.social
       2022-11-12T16:44:42Z
       
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       @FlyingTrilobite my point is that a general ban on all "AI art" is going to make us quickly irrelevant as artists that need to learn and grow with the culture around us. If the concern is about some specific models, then fine, restrict those if you really have to. But the way the rules are written are banning all AI art, even if e.g. it was trained by the artist on their own images. For example: if I create generative art but the Github Copilot AI helped me write the code, is that banned?
       
 (DIR) Post #APX9PfdDDn905KPnBw by odbol@vis.social
       2022-11-12T16:56:13Z
       
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       @FlyingTrilobite @kristinHenry the way the rules are written now, they also ban pieces like @Huaxixyz's custom AI models that expose the hidden labor behind corporate AI, or @JanelleCShane's AI generated band names. If you blanket ban all AI art, we're all going to miss out on important conversations and advancements, and also truly original works. The field is advancing so fast, there will be new models that may be more ethical. But we'll never know about them if they are all censored from us
       
 (DIR) Post #APYZpd4GAT7dd445A0 by BLatro@vis.social
       2022-11-13T00:44:30Z
       
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       @odbol @FlyingTrilobite @kristinHenry There must be something to learn from music sampling regarding this. That started out without those grabbing the samples asking for them, but now samples are paid for somehow or other. And ditto for videos posted to YouTube.The artists who don't mind their work used for AI art but would just like to get paid for it, should perhaps create a marketplace of collections of their art specifically for use in AI art?
       
 (DIR) Post #APYZpdndRlPztnIJt2 by kristinHenry@vis.social
       2022-11-13T00:49:47Z
       
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       @BLatro @odbol @FlyingTrilobite yes, a model like that could evolve. Hopefully it will. But for now, it's stolen, and I'm just not cool with that.One thing about music sampling to think about: did the musicians/composers get the payments started, or did record labels demand it?  It's worth looking at that.
       
 (DIR) Post #APYZpeHPf3EnO9E6Ii by n1ckfg@merveilles.town
       2022-11-13T05:31:31Z
       
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       @kristinHenry @BLatro @odbol @FlyingTrilobite Afaik a bit of both. Suing over samples really took off in the '90s once labels realized hip-hop artists were lucrative targets. But musicians started the lawsuits in the late '80s--James Brown even wrote a song about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFOMICj_rxE
       
 (DIR) Post #APYZpeo1hnKF1IU98S by FlyingTrilobite@vis.social
       2022-11-13T09:26:55Z
       
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       @n1ckfg @kristinHenry @BLatro @odbol - Stable Diffusion knows they messed up with visual art by incl. images without consent. For their new music AI, they said, “All of the models that are officially being released as part of Dance Diffusion are trained on public domain data, Creative Commons-licensed data and data contributed by artists in the community. The method here is opt-in only…” The music industry is more litigious than visual artists. https://tinyurl.com/ep6uyvay