Post APXfcguywj44NBymDg by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
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(DIR) Post #APV8pxGjmOza2sx6LA by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-11T17:40:17Z
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Since I've been in Israel I have really wanted to visit the regions considered Palestine still (west bank, that sort of stuff). I have strong political opinions about it all but feel i really need to see both sides first hand and interact to really have a right to feel strongly about it.Anyway one of the Palestinian workers I hired heard about this and invited to take me and show me around. I cant tell you all how excited I am to get to do that soon.#Palestine #Israel
(DIR) Post #APV970Ijl7duNB17ho by gregory@qoto.org
2022-11-11T17:43:21Z
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@freemo I hope you'll let us know whether/how the experience affects your thoughts and opinions.
(DIR) Post #APV9vaj4bg47ozSR8q by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-11T17:52:33Z
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@freemo I hope you have a good time.
(DIR) Post #APV9yrR0wNEsVlZNg0 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-11T17:53:06Z
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@AmpBenzScientist I honestly have no idea what to expect. I know when I've been in arab communities outside of Israel the people have been some of the kindest people I've ever met.
(DIR) Post #APVBAZnMRwWpETAkz2 by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-11T18:06:23Z
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@freemo I've rarely had bad experiences with Muslims.
(DIR) Post #APVBIlFDlV433h6fIW by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-11T18:07:53Z
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@AmpBenzScientist Same, and by extension, I've also rarely had bad expiernces from Jews. Both groups have been wonderful people who have helped me in times of need and I appreciate both groups a great deal.
(DIR) Post #APVCAcnjNDe0Vdvs9o by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-11T18:17:40Z
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@freemo Jews were good to me too.
(DIR) Post #APVigc1F0uursqY3oe by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T00:22:00Z
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@freemo you should check out Breaking The Silence. They also do tours and explain the horrors Palestinians face. Siding with the opposer without an understanding of Palestinian land being stolen and that Israel was created on the land of Palestine using genocide and displacement. The fact that you met some Arabs and think they’re nice is so very sad. I hope this trip opens your eyes and you see the reality and history.
(DIR) Post #APWc29meAT8OAA0Z0K by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T04:03:02Z
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@AmpBenzScientist @freemo just a reminder that Arabs including Palestinians are not all Muslim. Islam is a religion. We are also Christian, Jewish, Atheist, Agnostic.
(DIR) Post #APWc2ANVxOco0VG0TA by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-12T04:21:01Z
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@whosthatguurrrl @freemo Persians aren't Arabs. That area is historically Persian. Arabs are further East.
(DIR) Post #APWc2AlcVluJDGXG2i by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T10:42:00Z
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@AmpBenzScientist I think people just use arabs to mean "people of arabic speaking descent"... probably fairly technically incorrect of course.@whosthatguurrrl
(DIR) Post #APX1bMzJZ2J26YoxLk by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T15:28:39Z
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist Saying Arabs is fine, it’s everything else that is the problem.
(DIR) Post #APXIJkUX8dTV0YbgLA by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-12T18:35:59Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20560205Arab culture was likely adopted during the conquests. Palestinians are Palestinian and perhaps being called Arabs muddied the waters.
(DIR) Post #APXXkpZtpixjumULWS by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T18:58:10Z
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@AmpBenzScientist @freemo saying things like “the Muslims I met were nice” “I’ve never had an issue with Jews”. Not exact quotes but just the way you 2 talk about others is very racist. So if you met a bad Muslim or Jew that means you will judge both religions? Discussing Palestine without knowing the basic history and having negative views and making people prove to you they are good. It’s also the assumption that Arabs are Muslim. You two have a lot of work to do.
(DIR) Post #APXXkq421h47QEaPUO by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T21:28:56Z
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@whosthatguurrrl Its racist to say a jew/musslim has never hurt me? Well thats a first.@AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXZWFH0DUmTAhp2vI by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T21:48:43Z
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist you didn’t say that. Lol but if individual people hurt you and you say all Jews and Muslims are bad yes that’s racist. Along with everything you said was racist. Generalizations are racist. And if you don’t don’t realize how awful your language is you two and even worse than I thought. Shame on both of you.
(DIR) Post #APXZnIkeXPY6skp9O4 by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T21:51:45Z
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist you don’t think it’s weird to say that? Do you meet a black person and say “wow they didn’t hurt me, I’m gonna tell everyone there are some nice black men and I don’t have a problem with them”. My goodness take a step back and think about why that’s not right.
(DIR) Post #APXc7WaD1QNJToi4ZM by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T22:17:50Z
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@whosthatguurrrl You are saying something totally different... You are talking about saying that about a single black person (which implies you assumed they would hurt you and were surprised they didnt)... That is a very different thing than simply saying "I've never had any bad experiences with black people in the past.@AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXcQt9pJZsuzmbSgi by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T22:21:20Z
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@whosthatguurrrl No generalizations are not racist. The definition of racism is:prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.Saying a factual statement about what did or didnt happen such as what I said: "I've been in arab communities outside of Israel the people have been some of the kindest people I've ever met."No thats not racist... The definition is very clear. It also isnt even a generalization, it is simply a statement of fact as to what I experienced and made no extrapolation to "everyone".It is very odd just how hard you are bending over backwards to find racism where none exists.@AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXetaGCqv76h3OjTs by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T22:48:56Z
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist generalization is prejudice. Thanks for finally admitting it, next step is to actually work on it. Stop trying to defend yourself and grow as a human. If you’re unwilling, your choice, but it doesn’t change the fact that the way you speak is racist. You’re not going to learn and this will be the last thing I say for now. What you’re talking about a culture or religion, and someone from that culture or religion points out your harm. LISTEN.
(DIR) Post #APXf0CyLpq2YUhCmDA by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T22:50:09.178555Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist "There Is No Such Thing as Race"https://www.newsweek.com/there-no-such-thing-race-283123if there is no such thing as race there can't be racism either, xenophobia would be the right term, xenophobia can be fear, hatred or aversion of what is foreign.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia
(DIR) Post #APXfC83XwIISioJrPM by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T22:52:17Z
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@whosthatguurrrl 1) No generalization took place2) No not all generalization is prejudice.#2 is easy to prove with comments like "Most black people have blood inside them". Clearly a generalization, clearly not racist.... Perhaps YOU need to start listening...Prejudice is defined as: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.Very clearly from this definition not all generalization is prejudice.@AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXfcguywj44NBymDg by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T22:57:07Z
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@freemo @AmpBenzScientist dude you even called Palestine “the areas in Israel considered Palestine” please. Tagging your friends to pile on isn’t a good look either
(DIR) Post #APXfpN1CFD3yQ4vq1w by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T22:59:23Z
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@whosthatguurrrl Are they nott the areas considered palestine? What crazy nonsense are you making up now.I also never tagged anyone, you were the first one in the thread to tag both of us.You are at the point where you are making no sense, it is bizarre to read what your saying at all.@AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXhhphhuL46yiLjg8 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:20:26Z
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@otso I dont agree with the premise that there is no such thing as race, so any conclusions drawn from that also fail.@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXhsPA2vxvJqHe7Hs by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:22:21.443953Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist there is only one humanity
(DIR) Post #APXhuKDiH6Z367HE1Y by whosthatguurrrl@mstdn.party
2022-11-12T23:11:24Z
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@otso @AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org @freemo@qoto.org you’re all getting blocked and reported. Let’s see if this platform is actually anti racism or if I should switch to a good one. This is disturbing.
(DIR) Post #APXhuKpzylBn0rBnhQ by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:22:43.906085Z
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@whosthatguurrrl calm down
(DIR) Post #APXi7FzFKFWhjUfzou by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:25:02Z
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@otso Sure there is only one humanity, and that humanity is made up of a large spectrum of races.@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXiT48C5M1DKlGETI by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:29:01.134214Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist ethnicities instead of races and xenophobia instead of racism
(DIR) Post #APXiZZfRkN4asauyki by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:30:10Z
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@otso Ethnicity exists, race exists.. xenophobia is bad, racism is bad.@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXicMxrQtb2LnrcyO by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:30:40.737131Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist Americans have races, there are no races for instance in Sweden.
(DIR) Post #APXiizAoHnZMah4l4y by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:31:51Z
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@otso Of course there are races in sweden, people of foreign races come to sweden all the time. Now if you mean its relatively racially homogeneous, sure.. whats the point?@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXj0ZWSOUXmFTaR9M by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:35:02.247545Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist > what's the point?the category "race" doesn't exist here, this is not USA.
(DIR) Post #APXj7g2wXJyCVeAasC by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:36:17Z
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@otso Whether youuse the word or not doesnt change the fact that race exists.. @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXjH5g6bkhkbvybM8 by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:38:00.548817Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist for you as an American, yes, but not for me.
(DIR) Post #APXjirdUPTnJATzpLs by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:43:02Z
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@otso Things dont stop existing just because you belong to another country, it doesnt work that way (Also where do I say I am an american?)Even if no one in the world knew of the concept of race wouldnt change the fact that it objectively exists.@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXjzlmxP44RxKUBbk by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:46:05.755480Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist the word "race" dehumanises people, renders them to animals.
(DIR) Post #APXkBijMbAU9wlVHNo by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:48:15Z
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@otso I dont see how, race is a special word we use just for humans. We explicitly have different terms to refer to the same property in animals, specifically so it isnt dehumanizing.Thats like saying its dehumanizing to say humans have blood because animals have blood.. there are many universal and objective things animals share with humans, the existence of race just happens to be one of them.@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXkFwgEfzewMw3Tsm by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:44:14Z
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@otso @whosthatguurrrl @freemo You have Socialism and problems with immigrants, don't try to take the high ground.
(DIR) Post #APXkFx4hD3E1anV10a by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:49:02.935653Z
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@AmpBenzScientist @whosthatguurrrl @freemo Racism was science in Sweden not that long agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Institute_for_Racial_Biology
(DIR) Post #APXkR8X0xCe6JJ4urQ by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:51:04.120334Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist no problem, you have your definition, I have mine
(DIR) Post #APXkS3Insi9ANjrs7k by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:50:54Z
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@otso Race as ann objective and observable fact exists whether you have an institute to study it or not. Though not studying it puts people at risk in many ways, including their health (as we use race to determine certain risk factors for disease for example).@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXknyTmUfQDnKSKPY by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:55:09Z
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@otso We arent talking about definitions we are talking about a physical property... If there is an apple on the table no matter if you have a word for it or not an apple is still there.What definition you give race is irrelevant. The fact remains the idea of race as I am refering to it exists, even if you use race to mean something else.@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXkob3v2kuLSPej0y by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-12T23:55:16.694152Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist yes, but I would use the word ethnicity instead of race
(DIR) Post #APXl1wMHAzyrGpbYwa by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-12T23:57:41Z
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@otso Ok, but the word ethnicity already exists and it has a completely different meaning than race.. So you took the common defnition of race, and deleted the word... took the definition of ethnicity, erased it and replaced it with the old definition of race... and now have nno word for ethnicity as it is usually defined... i mean ok, sounds really confusing.But in the end call it whatever you want, I dont care, as long as we recognize race, based on my definition, exists, and its there regardless, you just shuffled around the definitions.@whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist
(DIR) Post #APXlinJIgzLLf1eCgq by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-13T00:05:26.066303Z
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@freemo @whosthatguurrrl @AmpBenzScientist what for you as an American is "race" is called ethnic group ("folkgrupp") in Sweden
(DIR) Post #APXm2mPVkPVGf559t2 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:09:02Z
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@otso I dont know swedish, but it seems your mistranslating...Race and "Ethnic Group" means different things in English. So its not possible that race in English translates to folkgrupp in Swedish which somehow translates back to English as a totally different phrase "ethnic group".Either folkgrupp is the Swedish word for race, or its the Swedish word for "ethnic group", it cant be both.
(DIR) Post #APXmEcDVTO1yWP6w52 by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-13T00:11:13.102407Z
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@freemo ethnic group instead of race of course
(DIR) Post #APXmQakojlYlSaP116 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:13:20Z
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@otso again, in english those terms mean totally different things... so you cant have a swedish word that somehow translates to both.
(DIR) Post #APXmdkvgDX6MmZlDEm by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-13T00:15:43.480982Z
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@freemo race is simply "ras" in Swedish but that word is used only by racists
(DIR) Post #APXmnNyqObMMVGpfYO by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:17:28Z
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@otso Ok, well i cant speak to the subtleties of swedish.. but if that word is truely a translation for race thent he difference is that you wrongly assume someone is racist simply for talking about a thing that happens exist regardless of context... that is troubling indeed, but you do you.
(DIR) Post #APXnC11ors3YYgy6gy by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-13T00:21:55.986771Z
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@freemo I am saying that the word race (in Swedish "ras") is not used for instance in medicine, they talk about "folkgrupper" aka ethnic groups.
(DIR) Post #APXnPGNV6qDtvgQVyC by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:24:18Z
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@otso That seems very dangerous.. Races are at risk for certain diseases and should be considered... ethnic groups are totally different thing and have their own risks. Ignoring either puts your patient at risk by denying that reality.
(DIR) Post #APXnR9b1INYZTUeSmm by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:19:38Z
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@otso @whosthatguurrrl @freemo Perhaps the perceived hostility being felt has something to do with Old Glory and colors not running.Despite leadership in the USA for the past several decades, Americans are still patriotic.For a moment I thought you were mocking our manufacturing. Bearings are precision parts with races.
(DIR) Post #APXnRA7dL7e16duVcW by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-13T00:24:40.694936Z
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@AmpBenzScientist @whosthatguurrrl @freemo whose hostility to whom?
(DIR) Post #APXncY4sc6w0aY3HLU by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:26:42Z
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@otso Ethnic groups are shared cultures that are localized by a region.. A white person can belong to the Caribbean ethnic group, despite not being of the same race as Caribbeans.If there is a cultural practice that causes diseases, then you need to be aware of that and we are talking about ethnic groups.If a race makes you genetically at risk for a certain disease this has nothing to do with ethnic groups and one must talk in terms of race instead.
(DIR) Post #APXo0pRxfwdtPxQSlk by otso@pleroma.karjalazet.se
2022-11-13T00:31:07.200779Z
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@freemo they do it without races in Sweden
(DIR) Post #APXoCRZeGubQqIYliC by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:33:11Z
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@otso I dont see how thats physically possible... If you ignore the existence of races then you cant treat people who have disease that is informed by their race. Ethnicity is something different and while you should consider that too, it doesnt solve the problem that you cant ignore race.
(DIR) Post #APXqTrRJYbjDtW5v1c by AmpBenzScientist@qoto.org
2022-11-13T00:45:49Z
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@otso @whosthatguurrrl @freemo Americans are used to hearing about Gasoline, Metric System, Universal Healthcare and many more clichés about our nation.English is a language that can easily be misunderstood. It's a perfect storm for conflict.
(DIR) Post #APXsYDAotP2SMra7A8 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-11-13T01:21:57Z
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@otso By the way thanks for having a respectful conversation about a difficult subject. Much respect, good convo.