Post APXAUtEs9mE9gp5Cuu by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
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(DIR) Post #APTBcXWO6mbryMeCpM by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-10T19:01:43.825759Z
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🟣🔵🔴⚪🔵🟡🔵🟣⚪This is your friendly reminder that contrary to the hype and marketing hullabaloo going around right now but #Mastodon is not the #fediverse! The “Mastodon Network” that Eugen Rochko claims to have created is the very same #federation that has existed for well over 10 years. The #fediverse is a huge tapestry of thousands of servers and volunteers, and dozens if not hundreds of developers and even more volunteers, who have made this space what you see today.There is no “Mastodon Network”. It’s simply the #fediverse. That’s like Facebook saying they are the Internet. We all know what an absurd claim that would be. Facebook is an application accessible over the Internet that provides a walled-garden to its users. Well, Mastodon is just one of many applications accessible over the Internet that provides access to the #fediverse (which is not a walled-garden).So what is the fediverse? Here’s my definition. The “Fediverse” can be thought of as a giant park that is not owned by any one person, company, group, government, or organization. A park where people gather to meet, explore, collaborate, discuss, watch videos, listen to music, chat, and do a whole lot more. A park that you can only get to by using a piece of software that lets you inside. Mastodon is just one (and currently the most popular) type of that software.Mastodon is a door-way into the park for anybody that uses it. Same for Pleroma, Friendica, Misskey, PeerTube, Pixelfed, BookWyrm, and others.Since journalists aren’t writing any articles about the real #fediverse, and since it (and the wonderful projects that are at its center) aren’t getting the recognition they so very much deserve, allow me to introduce you to them instead.Because when you either accidentally or intentionally or through ignorance or apathy spread the misinformation that Mastodon=Fediverse, you erode the very foundation of what has drawn you (and the rest of us) here in the first place.You are marginalizing and gaslighting great projects and their users.Note: The following is not intended to be a history of the fediverse. The following is my opinion, understanding, and interpretation. If I’ve gotten something wrong, let me know. But take the following as opinion and interpretation, not fact.👉 Akkoma — #Akkoma is a hard fork of Pleroma that is heavily centered on user expression. 👉 BookWyrm — #BookWyrm is a federated version of GoodReads. A federated instance by book lovers and for book lovers.👉 Castopod — Next generation podcasting software #Castopod allows podcasters of all sizes to interact with audiences in the fediverse. Your podcast becomes a social network: your episodes can be shared, liked and commented on without depending on anyone. Podcasts can be monetized or not, you have rich audience metrics and analytics, and series can be deployed to Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Pandora, and other podcast services.👉 Diaspora — One of the oldest federated instance software. Pioneered the concept of “circles” and “aspects” where users could sort their followers into logical groups and control who sees what.👉 Friendica — The one app that lets anyone or any organization literally create their own private #facebook on the fediverse and make it accessible and federated with the rest of the World. It also has very modest hosting requirements making it accessible to more people to host without requiring a VPS or complex server setups.👉 Funkwhale — #Funkwhale is a federated version of Soundcloud or Bandcamp for sharing your music library with other Funkwhale users and the Federation.👉 GnuSocial — One of the original fediverse implementations of a Twitter-like service. One of the oldest projects around (ca. 2008). Far more simpler hosting requirements than other fediverse software. (PHP+MySQL)👉 Hubzilla — The successor to Friendica, #Hubzilla took what was great about Friendica and made it all the better.👉 Lemmy — #Lemmy is a federated version of Reddit (or Digg or HackerNews). It’s a federated link-aggregator. Individuals can stand up their own servers or communities of topics.👉 Mastodon — #Mastodon came on the scene in 2016 and promised a more user-friendly experience. Coupled with some fortunate timing and early publicity it quickly became the darling of the fediverse. It’s certainly the software with the most amount of users. Marketing tends to do that to brands.👉 Misskey — Several years before Mastodon there was #Misskey. A microblogging platform what provided features not seen in other projects and allows users to customize many aspects of their feed and timeline. Misskey still has a very passionate userbase and is still being developed.👉 Mobilizon — A federated alternative to Facebook Events. #Mobilizon allows activist groups and organizations of all sizes to stand up a service for organizing events and meetups right here on the Federation.👉 Peertube — Calling #PeerTube a “YouTube competitor” doesn’t do it justice. PeerTube is so much more than a competitor to YouTube. In a very real sense it’s a YouTube killer, if only more people knew about it and more people used it. PeerTube lets anybody stand up a service and then instantenously their published videos become accessible to the entire Federation (and vice versa).👉 Pixelfed — #Pixelfed is the federation’s answer to Instagram. By standing up a public or private Pixelfed server you enable yourself (or the public) to post rich multimedia content (photos and videos), “stories”, and more that instantly are accessible to the rest of the federation.👉 Pleroma — #Pleroma is a lightweight alternative to Mastodon that at the time ironically offered a more user-friendly experience than Mastodon itself and pioneered features years ago that are just now being implemented by Mastodon and other projects. Pleroma’s big claim to fame was that you could stand up a robust instance on a single RasperryPi with little trouble.👉 WriteFreely — A blogging platform that is built to federate. #WriteFreely federates your words and your content as your write them, and your readers can follow and comment on your posts without having to leave their local timeline.In closing let me be clear, I have nothing against Mastodon or Eugen. I think it’s a fantastic project and it is an amazing piece of software. I am thankful for the level of awareness and exposure it has given the Fediverse as a whole.But to continue to perpetuate the misinformation that Mastodon somehow created the fediverse or that the Federation is Mastodon is something that I can’t let stand without challenge.It’s gaslighting.❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍 Updated 2022-11-10bofh.social, which is the instance I operate, runs Pleroma using the SoapboxFE.(CC-BY-SA)
(DIR) Post #APTCiyslOUcmWSkUHQ by JonChevreau@mstdn.ca
2022-11-10T19:13:58Z
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@gme great explanation of the fediverse for we recent Mastodon newbies. Happy to republish on my own site with your permission. (www.FindependenceHub.com).:
(DIR) Post #APTClaJFDCTDBDNPPM by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-10T19:14:34.519040Z
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by all means! it's CC-BY-SA.
(DIR) Post #APTJ49qqPETaLgKfAG by JonChevreau@mstdn.ca
2022-11-10T20:02:09Z
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@gme CCbySA?
(DIR) Post #APTJ4ASm8CokFK4xHs by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-10T20:25:07.413970Z
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Creative CommonsAttribution RequiredSame Licensecreativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/
(DIR) Post #APTJBtnDzimwrSKYAC by ritawild@mastodon.ie
2022-11-10T19:29:49Z
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@gme Thank you for this :) I look forward to exploring the fediverse more
(DIR) Post #APTOmfD7fopm7WnIq8 by JonChevreau@mstdn.ca
2022-11-10T21:10:43Z
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@gme thanks
(DIR) Post #APUkLhXLJEghfKlCQS by domr@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T12:39:49Z
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@gme This would be incredibly useful information, if it wasn't for the fact that you clearly have an axe to grind against Mastodon.Most people don't care who created what, they just want a safe space.
(DIR) Post #APUkbRmJfOaTQPGwGe by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-11T13:08:24.839777Z
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Thank you for your feedback.
(DIR) Post #APUkkwcQN7eFgIAr7g by Sjoerdness@indieweb.social
2022-11-11T09:29:54Z
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@gme thanks a lot for this great summary! 😀 I am wondering, do I need to make an account for each of these platforms? If I search peertube for instance on my Mastodon app for iPhone, I usually don’t see any content.
(DIR) Post #APUkkx7GWSJnDwbUC8 by Sjoerdness@indieweb.social
2022-11-11T09:32:30Z
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@gme also, I see pixelfed@pixelfed.social has posted only one message? I assume there would be a lot more on that instance.
(DIR) Post #APUkkxaKmNZQg6ChVI by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-11T13:10:06.444216Z
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Your app is lying to you.pixelfed.social/PixelfedAnd the developer - @dansup - is busy coding the app not making posts.
(DIR) Post #APUklTocwm18dh8ZE0 by danbri@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T12:19:29Z
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@gme “claims to have created”, “misinformation” etc. sounds pretty harsh.Since you emphasise the non-mastodon fediverse, may I ask your sense for the extent to which there’s any common culture / etiquette etc across all of it? Beyond what would also be admirable on Twitter, Facebook, Youtube etc.?
(DIR) Post #APUkspC5rQ8oyEcETI by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-11T13:11:33.582880Z
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Every community/ instance has its unique culture and norms which takes some getting used to if you've never been exposed to it. The best part about the fediverse is that all those mini-cultures are forced to intermingle amongst each-other which is also the worst part about the fediverse some think.
(DIR) Post #APUkz7XsXlIZcjo8Zc by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-11T13:12:42.340915Z
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Only if you want to use the specific service. For example, if you wanted to use Pixelfed to share your photos and videos then you would need an account on a Pixelfed instance to do that. Same for Facebook and Instagram accounts for example.
(DIR) Post #APUlU5EnAqrTRXe0O0 by big_brain_investor@bigchungus.theautisticinvestors.quest
2022-11-11T03:13:09Z
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@gme yes, v based statement.
(DIR) Post #APUlV6d5U6jG38UnVA by domr@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T13:13:35Z
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@gme Thank you for the useful information!
(DIR) Post #APUyABu5yjAPjLoBIO by danbri@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T14:57:43Z
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@gme yeah ideally it would be a varied landscape of different kinds of place and culture, with some universals. Much of what I have heard this week has been “here is how to behave (anywhere on Mastodon) so as to not be a jerk”, without indication that different ways of being can have homes on different servers.
(DIR) Post #APUyACTXqvWVVIOUYC by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-11T15:40:20.500976Z
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If people just treated other people the way they'd want to be treated in return I think that solves a lot of problems. That and "assume positive intent" goes a very long way not just in the fediverse but in most aspects of our lives, too.I'm sure there are sociologists and anthropologists studying the myriad of interactions going on because I would think it would be an interest study.Where else can so many divergent cultures and values come together at once?I think it's also worth keeping in mind that a lot of the "here's how to behave" is coming from people who may not necessarily have the same level of communication skills that others have.A lot of people flocked here 5 or so years ago to escape the trauma they were experiencing on other platforms and some of the "norms" that have established themselves here are specifically to reduce those original users' trauma.But naturally as more people join the fediverse they too bring their own values and life experiences with them.And unfortunately sometimes the worlds collide.But as long as people are kind to one another and empathetic to one another I'm pretty sure most problems can be worked out.And there's always mute lists, block lists, and word filters that everyone should employ to keep their timeline enjoyable for them.
(DIR) Post #APWkXcOycCkbWzRvvM by soupglasses@fosstodon.org
2022-11-12T11:23:41Z
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@Sjoerdness @gme Its misleading. Sadly the app does not show it, but on Mastodon Web there is a specific warning at the bottom of remote account profiles that reads:> Older posts from other servers are not displayed.Browse more on the original profile here.So it is not that there exists no posts, but that mastodon is not back-filling old remote posts to avoid excessive load.Hope that clears it up a bit! :blobcat:
(DIR) Post #APXAUtEs9mE9gp5Cuu by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-12T17:07:47.558141Z
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Think of it like this.Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter all do different things.You need an account on each service if you want to post an update to your wall on Facebook, post some selfie pictures or a short video to your Insta, or send a tweet.In this regard the Fediverse is really no different there. You still need an account on a Friendica host to post to your wall or to participate in your favorite groups. You still need an account on a Pixelfed host if you want to share your selfies or a short video to your story, and you still need an account on a Pleroma, GnuSocial, Misskey, or Mastodon if you want to send a short “toot”, “post”, or “tweet”.What’s different though between Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter, and the corresponding Fediverse is that you can read, watch, comment on, like, and share from your Mastodon (or Pleroma, or Misskey, or GnuSocial) account.In other words, if you want to create content, you’ll need an account on whatever service where you want to create your content.If all you want to do is consume content, then you normally don’t need an account anywhere else.Hope this helps.
(DIR) Post #APXaUuFH0p7NcSwGsy by Guerin@bdx.town
2022-11-12T21:58:41.356852Z
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@gme haha i see we have kinda the same config here. Pleroma (soon we'll be on Akkoma) + Mangane (our fork of Soapbox)
(DIR) Post #APXaUulB6CdfDPrkcC by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-12T21:59:16.960143Z
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I'm thinking about switching for idealistic reasons.
(DIR) Post #APXdq8jedLTcVFxwzQ by Guerin@bdx.town
2022-11-12T22:06:39.479385Z
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@gme just so you know, apparently akkoma isn’t fully recognized by soapbox. @clovis had to modify the code for our fork Mangane to be compatible.Since i not dev i’ll leave you talk about that if you will :derpy:
(DIR) Post #APXdq9SJxHCojmrcbw by clovis@bdx.town
2022-11-12T22:13:35.509120Z
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@Guerin @gme yup ! Soapbox has a feature detection system and doesn't not recognize Akkoma out of the box.
(DIR) Post #APXdqAJUlZjxOhk5Ue by clovis@bdx.town
2022-11-12T22:14:16.837290Z
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@Guerin @gme here is what I didhttps://github.com/Cl0v1s/mangane/pull/49
(DIR) Post #APYiSWLFuKajhE4QKW by gerwitz@bofh.social
2022-11-13T10:38:25.210678Z
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I love the Soapbox FE here, but was grossed out to see how crypto-centric the project seems to be. I guess it's easy enough to disable all of that?
(DIR) Post #APYiVpZsqT6GDxUV5k by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-13T11:03:48.253550Z
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Yeah I'm looking to switch. It wasn't that bad when I first installed things back in April.
(DIR) Post #APYjRVFIb5QlxfMYTo by gerwitz@bofh.social
2022-11-13T11:06:26.450612Z
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I think a fork would be good … I really haven't found any other FE that's as clean and simple.Pinafore is good, but seems more oriented towards multi-account than fully replacing an instance's local UI.
(DIR) Post #APYjRVhete7FNcdCgS by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-13T11:14:10.713485Z
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There is a fork for precisely the reasons you outlined previously. But at the same time I'm loathe to bring the site down to implement it so I'm in the planning/ preparation stages for upgrading.
(DIR) Post #APYv5JUYoeUgaQgeP2 by Sjoerdness@indieweb.social
2022-11-13T12:09:57Z
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@gme thanks a lot!!
(DIR) Post #APYy9rvJ2hYmOW3pHk by gerwitz@bofh.social
2022-11-13T13:57:54.755504Z
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@gme oh! Could you point me to that fork?
(DIR) Post #APYy9sOjHJ5zrlpK9A by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-13T13:59:05.847736Z
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bdx.town/objects/9f6204f5-3468-4655-9d62-74deac9f575e
(DIR) Post #APatOx85rCodQkKpYu by gerwitz@bofh.social
2022-11-14T10:20:14.669447Z
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thank you!
(DIR) Post #APatTOKgetI0xRLGs4 by EnlightenedCipher@hostux.social
2022-11-14T03:08:23Z
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@gme Wow this post was very informative and I had no idea of these fediverse clients even though I accidentally started using a pleroma client right away and didn't know the difference I was under the misconception it was all Mastadon
(DIR) Post #APbtB5w8VgAvqi5tNw by margaritatee@aus.social
2022-11-14T23:23:06Z
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@gme Thank you! Super enlightening information and perspective
(DIR) Post #APdh2ynCNTM8F2CIO8 by Pappy@thepit.social
2022-11-15T17:11:28Z
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@gme This is the most helpful explanation I've read on what's going on here. Thank you
(DIR) Post #APeECWi4wKFsWnxk4O by silversiren@musicians.today
2022-11-16T02:52:29Z
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@gme Thanks for this. I’m still learning.
(DIR) Post #APfsl74mQcAaUCaVZg by 22@octodon.social
2022-11-16T22:01:08Z
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@gme I for one appreciate the push to look beyond mastodon so thank you! I intellectually am aware of a lot of concerns with the Mastodon project but seeing this enormous palette of alternatives really made that visceral. I will be spending a lot of time on many of these projects. Thank you again, I found your post pitch-perfect!@domr
(DIR) Post #APg2AgjBubbzswlAFE by Defizit@wien.rocks
2022-11-16T23:46:54Z
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@gme Mastodon never claimed to be the network - it allways said that it is an Applikation using the protocöls of the Fediverse
(DIR) Post #APg2AhDg5FzxPV1VlQ by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-16T23:47:02.690085Z
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Not what Eugen says in his interviews.
(DIR) Post #APg2O0Pa2WighJwAM4 by Defizit@wien.rocks
2022-11-16T23:49:13Z
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@gme Ok - i dont know the interview - but i am sure he knows what Fediverse and what Mastodon really is
(DIR) Post #APg2O0tMFoXUBfrwlk by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-11-16T23:49:27.688624Z
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I'm sure.
(DIR) Post #APgUmT9vbdcpWV4N8a by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2022-11-17T05:08:01.396245Z
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@gme Tl;dr @Gargron is a nigger. 🙄
(DIR) Post #ARzSPMepgtS8eZ9NFQ by davew@mastodon.social
2023-01-25T04:05:49Z
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@gme what did Eugen Rochko actually say?
(DIR) Post #ARzSPNPyrbAP0nD1jk by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2023-01-25T04:12:59.687947Z
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He did it in 2019 when he removed ostatus support, and I guarantee you he will remove activitypub as soon as he’s able to. He doesn’t want a fediverse. He’s always wanted a “Mastodon” network. https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/101315623789486648
(DIR) Post #ARzSPO4ORLUd287IjA by ML2@akkoma.sandhill.social
2023-01-25T04:25:10.141038Z
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@gmeIIANM servers generally communicate with each other through ActivityPub, while clients communicate to servers through the API. In short: I don't see how he'd be able to simply remove AP support without providing a specific replacement.If he removed AP support I would expect an immediate fork of Mastodon from people who would be unhappy with that.There's also the fact that Tumblr is planning to join the Fediverse via AP support, so Rochko cutting off ActivityPub would probably never be an option after that happens. @davew