Post APWsuvG1TZTyIvsuX2 by moth@husk.site
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(DIR) Post #APWI1SFe1PR24BxXTU by iyalei@chaos.social
2022-11-12T06:34:41Z
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Eli Lilly losing billions after a rumor of free insulin. Lockheed Martin losing billions after a rumor of no more weapons exports to crisis regions. "$company losing billions if $goodThing were to happen" is really all you need to know about free market capitalism.Capitalism is a system of violence.
(DIR) Post #APWZ80yrVhTsjgp6tk by Senator_Armstrong@detroitriotcity.com
2022-11-12T10:09:31.670593Z
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@iyalei Yeah but it'll take even more violence to get rid of it, so being anti violence doesn't really accomplish anything.
(DIR) Post #APWaoKcqxd33mSGrZo by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-11-12T10:28:30.504982Z
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@kaede @iyalei america is sort of famous for being terrible at healthcare.
(DIR) Post #APWin7MZaIlJzVaWjg by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T11:57:07.674061Z
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@iyalei medicine and munitions aren't free markets, they're heavily government regulated.
(DIR) Post #APWjciqHzsK3035vge by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:06:29.015239Z
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@ageha @iyalei I'm thinking like the only customer for f-22's is the us government. what's the difference if it was just made by the government like in the soviet union
(DIR) Post #APWjlU9txZeS47Rl8y by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:07:49.319317Z
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@ageha @iyalei I'm not super strong on defending this position, I just want to play it out to its conclusion if it's really wrong.
(DIR) Post #APWjwjgcZIy9PR7EPY by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:10:18.905155Z
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@ageha @iyalei if you're talking about it as a jobs program yes that is a problem (but not the same problem.) the federal government is huge in the usa because it's an employer of last resort
(DIR) Post #APWjxo0lyQIx733Fz6 by lain@lain.com
2022-11-12T12:11:02.378451Z
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@Moon @iyalei @ageha the answer is 'not much'
(DIR) Post #APWkCc9iKqusgcIMN6 by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:13:19.663151Z
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@ageha @iyalei this is a real problem with capitalism but not intrinsically tied to violence-creating systems.
(DIR) Post #APWkJqnwGnHo96YoGe by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:14:23.866137Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon the "make it a free market but regulate it in such a way that we won't see much competition" push you mean?
(DIR) Post #APWkOT2M42knsdVMRc by yes@social.handholding.io
2022-11-12T12:15:54.003124Z
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@Moon @iyalei @ageha when your money and government are intertwined you cannot escape violence. when your money is capitalist and totally decoupled from politics you get the best of both worlds
(DIR) Post #APWkTPqFN6TzPzCWh6 by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-12T12:16:47.613470Z
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@Moon @ageha @iyalei Could you, please smoke outside and close the window, as didn't.
(DIR) Post #APWkVZc210jSIha48m by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:17:11.604198Z
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@Moon @iyalei @ageha It's very odd that there's a constant need to offload "the problem with x"; "it's actually the cause of the military-industrial complex!", "it's actually the cause of contractors padding the books!", "it's actually the cause of diabetes!"It's actually odd that something claimed so bad needs to be reflected in global (non-unique) phenomena. Almost like it's bullshit.
(DIR) Post #APWkW5FSOTgkPxGUOe by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-12T12:17:17.373245Z
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@Moon @ageha @iyalei
(DIR) Post #APWkccpGSxyWII8IwC by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:17:11.063266Z
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@yes @iyalei @ageha these are all government problems lol
(DIR) Post #APWkgb9IduAcFfOmJs by yes@social.handholding.io
2022-11-12T12:19:10.304600Z
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@Moon @iyalei @ageha the government has a monopoly of violence so it is not a shock at all
(DIR) Post #APWkvDlZrR7O4kH8lc by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:21:49.707719Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon 🙄 Maybe you have a car analogy for things you don't understand, like everyone else.
(DIR) Post #APWl0AneJmBoK4bd7Q by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:21:42.556268Z
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@yes @iyalei @ageha what if we didn't maintain the largest standing army in the history of the world? these companies wouldn't exist.
(DIR) Post #APWlDgnydONPLlCiyO by yes@social.handholding.io
2022-11-12T12:25:08.940491Z
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@Moon @iyalei @ageha let me know how that can get done so you can get your nobel peace price
(DIR) Post #APWlFQ79f2IKAE03Dk by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:25:28.932601Z
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@Moon @iyalei @yes @ageha Kalashnikov and the Red Army wouldn't exist without capitalism!
(DIR) Post #APWlMRrdYOwfcM5oZ6 by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:24:41.385379Z
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@yes @iyalei I am actually going to concede most of the point to @ageha because it's true that when a company gets big it just influences the government to guarantee their profits and it does become a "government 2".
(DIR) Post #APWlTA3k9LoEQMxMBs by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-12T12:27:57.389132Z
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@Moon @ageha @iyalei @yes While the apple is rotten at the moment. a worm got in, and nothing can get it out. 💌
(DIR) Post #APWlZt9rO3Ta261d7Q by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-12T12:29:10.026967Z
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@Moon @ageha @iyalei @yes but magic💌
(DIR) Post #APWlaCxpkTjvSaYJ9M by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:27:58.781674Z
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@yes @iyalei @ageha so, getting rid of capitalism will be easier? I'm fine in this thread just assigning responsibility correctly.
(DIR) Post #APWlhnvIjYZe77zR5s by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-12T12:30:36.113029Z
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@Moon @yes @ageha @iyalei consumerism is quantum economics. making a flawed capitalism, when temporal makes money out of time. 💌
(DIR) Post #APWlk4XluUX4Ez48Ui by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:30:05.020019Z
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@moth @iyalei @yes @ageha the guns and tanks would still exist, but the corporations would not. we won!
(DIR) Post #APWlpNvDI3llmxZ0D2 by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-12T12:31:58.043489Z
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@Moon @moth @ageha @iyalei @yes linchpin poppin, a better noble type of poppin than if pops.
(DIR) Post #APWlqOuL6tVJ8Udh5s by moth_ball@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:31:24.091510Z
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@Moon @moth @ageha @iyalei @yes The difference that didn't come up yet is that government jobs are public posts so the people in them can be held responsible. Corporations on the other hand are very hard to pin down when something happens.
(DIR) Post #APWlqjrZCOlQ7yVHBg by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:32:13.424809Z
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@Moon @iyalei @yes @ageha Yeah, if we remove the feedback loop of lobbying and instead just incorporate them into the government outright we've solved the problem! /s
(DIR) Post #APWlrWFfI6YqCc9CPg by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-12T12:32:22.087540Z
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@Moon @ageha @iyalei @moth @yes linchpin has a self evident else case too.
(DIR) Post #APWlsvlDw0Uzbga8BM by yes@social.handholding.io
2022-11-12T12:32:36.787807Z
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@Moon @iyalei @ageha i am not convinced that thier alt is better, i think it has been shown to be objectively worse if you read the tomes of the 20th century
(DIR) Post #APWm5cFtlY3ysQyj7Q by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:34:54.844911Z
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@Moon @ageha @iyalei @yes (Also bullshit anyway, USSR offloaded weapons to multiple companies intentionally as well.)
(DIR) Post #APWmSyxDXT5fw6Nlfk by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:39:06.990202Z
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@moth_ball @Moon @ageha @iyalei @moth @yes government protects its own in a lot of cases. Sure maybe some people are punished sometimes, but usually it's minimal or entirely non existent. The FBI will just hold on to the evidence until everyone who cares is dead... For national security of course.
(DIR) Post #APWmuA3AOO2yAV7oNk by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:44:03.063642Z
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@thatguyoverthere @iyalei @Moon @moth_ball @yes @ageha The Stasi, on the other hand, totally forthcoming and just.
(DIR) Post #APWmzAY3y0xRA5xrZw by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:44:57.231643Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon Capitalism made me do it.
(DIR) Post #APWn2k7q9HtGN3P3Wi by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T12:45:36.125383Z
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@ageha @Moon @iyalei See, it’s like a car…
(DIR) Post #APWo2UB3XkzerYLg00 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T12:55:43.811361Z
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@moth @iyalei @Moon @moth_ball @yes @ageha Yeah I'm just arguing that the idea that we can hold government accountable but not corporations is kind of bullshit. It doesn't play out. Epstein was murdered to avoid any messy info being put in public court documents about his clients, many of whom were high ranking government (and corporate) officials.I do not think the market is free at all. Arguing that corporations are the way they are because "muh free market" ignores the fact that lobbying and revolving doors exist throughout the top order businesses and government regulatory bodies.
(DIR) Post #APWoSssuIy9X1JRnU0 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T13:00:53.776031Z
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@moth @Moon @ageha @iyalei @moth_ball @yes so are moth and moth_ball on opposite sides of this debate? if so that's just great :ablobjoy:
(DIR) Post #APWok3WjzQE4wyGdI8 by yes@social.handholding.io
2022-11-12T13:04:37.341651Z
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@thatguyoverthere @iyalei @moth @Moon @moth_ball @ageha a mothball exists to kill moths keep in mind
(DIR) Post #APWonvYTZUDZNqvPJg by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T13:03:31.067463Z
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@thatguyoverthere @ageha @iyalei @moth @moth_ball @yes can we all at least agree that the 8 dollar verification costing evil corporations billions of dollars is hilarious
(DIR) Post #APWopTolfWI7wBHm2S by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:05:36.814019Z
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@yes @iyalei @Moon @moth_ball @thatguyoverthere @ageha And you know what made mothballs? Capitalism.
(DIR) Post #APWotnHjET6VTJtAkS by yes@social.handholding.io
2022-11-12T13:06:19.109450Z
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@Moon @iyalei @moth @moth_ball @thatguyoverthere @ageha elon musk needs an adult to say no to him tbh
(DIR) Post #APWoyFGBADrJORHpeS by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T13:05:21.982679Z
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@Moon @ageha @iyalei @moth @moth_ball @yes :1000: absolutely in agreement. I also think it has people looking and talking which if it persists (probably not - new shiny thing inbound in 3...) might be a net positive.
(DIR) Post #APWoyLwaJTLQ7hAma8 by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:07:13.023665Z
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@yes @iyalei @Moon @moth_ball @thatguyoverthere @ageha Good luck finding an adult on twitter.
(DIR) Post #APWp1dxLnfAcr96H68 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T13:07:11.298236Z
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@yes @iyalei @moth @Moon @moth_ball @ageha let's hope it doesn't go that far 😬
(DIR) Post #APWp8CiXTK9eP4Ih16 by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:08:59.676323Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon You shouldn't jump to lossy analogies when you've failed to demonstrate the actual in its own terms.I could explain this to you, but you'd need to pay me.
(DIR) Post #APWp9i7EDgAA4ZZDua by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T13:09:14.885194Z
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@yes @iyalei @moth @Moon @moth_ball @ageha it's his to with as he sees fit. If he pisses off his backers they can deal with that. It's possible that his takeover does destroy twitter. Would that be a bad thing? Whether that's his intention or not, is anyone going to mourn the corpse if birdsite dies?
(DIR) Post #APWpDvyQdaneD9StZQ by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:10:01.909189Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon "I can't touch the moon, so my fingers are the moon."Brilliant.
(DIR) Post #APWpTdOzSDBbFINLYe by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:12:52.129643Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon Find a mirror.
(DIR) Post #APWpYVGb81urSiluPA by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:13:44.935710Z
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@ageha @Moon @iyalei "All we have is abstraction" (models)"All you have are models" (abstractions)All you got is projection.
(DIR) Post #APWpgcSiGBTs5xJBce by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:15:12.921612Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon I agree, and I might even agree that all models are necessarily lossy (to make comprehension possible) but that doesn't make the model into the actual.
(DIR) Post #APWpqstI28djwYdOLY by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:17:04.097820Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon > models are all you haveThat seems to be espousing platonism to me.
(DIR) Post #APWqUhYla6GANt1Mdk by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:24:15.952143Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon Back to the car analogy, I'm saying that because its prevalence-to-the-point-of-triteness when obscuring a technical misunderstanding.All of this to point a finger at "capitalism" for the ills of other, unrelated systems. "Actually, it's like cancer..." Actually, it's like bullshit.
(DIR) Post #APWqlTBKI9SYiM3KUa by cognate@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T13:27:16.240516Z
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@moth @iyalei @Moon @agehaThere's a distinction between "models are all you have" and "models are all there is". Only the second is Platonism.
(DIR) Post #APWr9MGVesaeDIrsga by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:31:36.602505Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon There was just as much infighting, corruption, and waste between the communist military factories.You have not isolated the cause.
(DIR) Post #APWrUWJjTqjfTESyrQ by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:35:26.410368Z
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@ageha @iyalei @Moon piling more assertions on top of unproven assertions only makes it worse. and to use amorphism to justify a criticism of the discreet?sorry, can you show your work for question #1 before you assert your thesis?
(DIR) Post #APWsfpCRiSSzAn0q0W by moth_ball@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T13:47:36.807291Z
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@moth @iyalei @Moon @ageha if you don't want to discuss the topic, just move on
(DIR) Post #APWsuvG1TZTyIvsuX2 by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:51:24.975653Z
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@moth_ball @iyalei @Moon @ageha Disagreeing at the premise is a position, sorry it doesn't lend itself to running away with bad conclusions, but don't let me stop you. Go get that windmill.
(DIR) Post #APWt74n1rQItLM7P1M by deadheat@cawfee.club
2022-11-12T13:53:36.635399Z
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@moth @iyalei @Moon @moth_ball @thatguyoverthere @yes @ageha I love how people will entertain these discussions with leftists about getting rid of capitalism while always giving them the courtesy of putting aside the fact that what these people always do when in power is censoring and destroying anyone opposing them. But yeah, it's capitalism that is violence.
(DIR) Post #APWtYd0YkJzTHvaKEy by moth@husk.site
2022-11-12T13:58:35.492126Z
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@deadheat @iyalei @Moon @moth_ball @thatguyoverthere @yes @ageha You see, it's like cellular biology...
(DIR) Post #APWw4QBW9qxsgzzxpI by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-11-12T14:26:29.798345Z
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@Moon All the articles about losing "market cap" mean fundamentally nothing. The prices are based not on the company but how much people think they can dupe the next guy into buying the shares for at some point. Any connection to actual company value is hand-wavy at best unless a company is truly tanking - but that's still more of a metanarrative than an indicator of actual connection because it just means the next guy isn't coming.@iyalei
(DIR) Post #APWwPMjQBxKk41qMsa by radix023@noagendasocial.com
2022-11-12T14:28:47Z
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@Leyonhjelm @iyalei @Moon “In the short-term the market is a voting machine. In the long-term it’s a weighing machine” - Benjamin Graham
(DIR) Post #APWwPNCqQYrxXHbrk0 by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-11-12T14:30:17.121989Z
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@radix023 That's fair-ish, but unless a stock pays dividends regularly, the value is determined only by selling it to someone else's bogus idea of what it's "worth". It's like dollars but harder to use.@iyalei @Moon
(DIR) Post #APX4rmw39ygX4hoYdc by be@floss.social
2022-11-12T15:53:36Z
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@iyalei what if we take down capitalism just by spreading rumors that good things are about to happen
(DIR) Post #APX5OCuo6Pzuuugwl6 by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-11-12T16:10:36.305916Z
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@moth @iyalei @ageha you may touch me if it pleases you
(DIR) Post #APX6qtLo1Q5WagYtN2 by lain@lain.com
2022-11-12T16:27:29.857854Z
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@iyalei i dont think even one of the sentences in this post is factually correct
(DIR) Post #APXH4UROQqpQviIXQW by urusan@fosstodon.org
2022-11-12T18:20:32Z
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@be @iyalei "Oh no, they imagined a better world!"
(DIR) Post #APXH6SMJ8zFd3GrCRE by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-11-12T18:22:24.819118Z
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@urusan @be @iyalei :blobcatgooglynotlikethis: oh no the paypigs escaped the farm we are ruined
(DIR) Post #APXODlDU84cZFC9zqS by andreas@yggdrasil.social
2022-11-12T19:42:10.864842Z
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@iyalei Capitalism is a system of violence. Yes. Problem?
(DIR) Post #APXZYvRiOFz4Y06wfQ by Zealous@clubcyberia.co
2022-11-12T21:44:49.034468Z
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@iyalei still better than communism