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(DIR) Post #APWJOdeNuG6Q2D9Miu by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T05:30:30.370822Z
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Been giving this a lot of thought. If this Fediverse deal is going to be sustainable, there needs to be a *lot* more instances with <1,000 accounts. Ideally even less accounts per instance. And perhaps it would be even better if single-user instances were the norm.
(DIR) Post #APWJOeFFhBapsYOoBk by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T05:43:53.771843Z
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Thinking about this more: we don't need "scale". We don't need instances with 1 million users in a giant data center. What we need is everybody to spend $5 on a super tiny instance.
(DIR) Post #APWJOeqTSnMpjzoXCq by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T05:48:25.739884Z
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Thinking that we need to prepare for 500 million Twitter users is a trap. No, we don't need some VC to provide his funding. This isn't an insurmountable problem.
(DIR) Post #APWJOfNRUDjrOFEraq by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T05:51:19.281012Z
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Half the web runs on self-maintained WordPress installations. The Fediverse sure as hell can run on self-maintained instances too.
(DIR) Post #APWNXVP8KkqysoV42C by joeldebruijn@fosstodon.org
2022-11-12T07:55:48Z
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@atomicpoet aside from better social dynamics of tiny instances, doesnt it just bring the problem just one level deeper down the stack?More tiny instances, more need for managed hosting, more need for mastodon-instance hosters and then specialising and converging to a couple of big players? Hosting the majority of tiny instances?
(DIR) Post #APWNXW143jC8mSFM9o by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T07:59:49.131180Z
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@joeldebruijn Maybe? But I don't think development of the Fediverse should stop with the server/client paradigm. The end goal should be running stuff on your own hardware.
(DIR) Post #APWOINYrJPKMAVOreC by lisardggy@indieweb.social
2022-11-12T08:05:06Z
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@atomicpoet Self hosted WP sites can, at most, send PingBack/TrackBack requests to other blogs. There's no federation to speak of, so the power they have, and the responsibility, is minimal. But when you're talking social networks, the potential for bad actors - or even just clueless actors - to negatively impact others is dramatically higher.
(DIR) Post #APWOIO918yFbyeJk0W by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T08:08:16.263316Z
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@lisardggy I don't know—I think people overestimate the work instances take. If you keep number of accounts small it's easy. What's important is: 1. The rules are clear 2. Enforcement is consistent 3. You make your presence known
(DIR) Post #APWVhn4EJlWOC08bTc by tero_ojala@mastodo.fi
2022-11-12T09:29:42Z
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@atomicpoet But isn't every server an relay that stores toots/media from all the user connections? So eventually the 5$ budget wont cut it?
(DIR) Post #APWVhnq5RpnoaQWp4S by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T09:31:18.435745Z
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@tero_ojala My Pleroma instance will be just fine for a long time 😀
(DIR) Post #APWXNpI4Xf4TCkDjXM by tero_ojala@mastodo.fi
2022-11-12T09:39:39Z
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@atomicpoet But does that help the network to divide the load? Honest question, i don't know Pleroma.
(DIR) Post #APWXNpyxyBNlLmHzOa by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T09:50:07.022605Z
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@tero_ojala The network uses such minimal resources, that's not even a concern. I'd show you a chart, but that takes too much work right now.
(DIR) Post #APWY0lS8kBTsb1UrNQ by ernohannink@mastodon.social
2022-11-12T09:55:22Z
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@atomicpoet love the idea. Is it possible to install an instance as easy it is to start your WordPress website on a rented server?
(DIR) Post #APWY0mEhpcKT1eDe4m by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T09:57:09.430012Z
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@ernohannink Yes.
(DIR) Post #APX68yBifx3qqrtt6O by JoYo@hackers.town
2022-11-12T05:48:14Z
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@atomicpoet 2 gb 1 vCPU should be good for 1000 users
(DIR) Post #APX68ydizpSkFj0Fkm by thegibson@hackers.town
2022-11-12T15:23:33Z
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@JoYo @atomicpoet Only if every other instance is small... our struggle the past week has been incoming traffic, and we are staying well under 1k users.
(DIR) Post #APX68zBOycOvwAl9FI by JoYo@hackers.town
2022-11-12T15:33:11Z
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@thegibson @atomicpoet I've noticed that, any ideas why?I think h.t has a higher ratio of active users than most but that's just my intuition.
(DIR) Post #APX68zaZT2XBCEXFTc by thegibson@hackers.town
2022-11-12T15:41:32Z
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@JoYo @atomicpoet Alos, yes, we are noisier that most servers... which is a good thing. we have a very high active user ratio.
(DIR) Post #APX6904LgKLygaT1tI by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2022-11-12T16:11:32Z
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@thegibson @JoYo @atomicpoet I’ve been thinking of spinning up an instance, if masto.host ever opens up again, just to mess around and see what the (non-system-administrative) aspects of instance admin looks like firsthand.
(DIR) Post #APX6APEzZzYr2n7G3k by thegibson@hackers.town
2022-11-12T15:34:11Z
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@JoYo @atomicpoet It was all traffic inbound from the giant servers.
(DIR) Post #APX6APfE0SXqM9OCwq by JoYo@hackers.town
2022-11-12T15:35:42Z
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@thegibson @atomicpoet maybe we need to start rate limiting the too big to fail servers.
(DIR) Post #APX6AQDxvIKm5tdx68 by JoYo@hackers.town
2022-11-12T15:36:05Z
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@thegibson @atomicpoet imo m.s needs to be closed, it's already too large.
(DIR) Post #APX6Dzd6k6lAls6eTA by thekat03@mastodon.tod.net
2022-11-12T13:09:38Z
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@atomicpoetThe problem is there's all these new users coming over (from Twitter, yes, but also Facebook and other places because Mastodon is going viral), but not many people who have the means and time to run their own instance. I say this as someone coming from a new instance with 8 users whipped up a week ago. Running and moderating a server well is a commitment, especially if there is any intent to open it to more than just trusted friends and family.
(DIR) Post #APX6GKOaVUIlkpQbT6 by ernohannink@mastodon.social
2022-11-12T10:35:58Z
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@atomicpoet Wow. That’s great. Will look into it.
(DIR) Post #APX6Kh7bxAkHOeZN8C by tero_ojala@mastodo.fi
2022-11-12T10:29:44Z
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@atomicpoet But Pleroma doesn't copy media/toots to its own storage? Is it only redirecting users to other instances?
(DIR) Post #APX6KhnRReCpUO8mKe by tero_ojala@mastodo.fi
2022-11-12T10:33:09Z
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@atomicpoet Like my instance has collected 20gb of media in five days and thus is helping other instances with their load.If every instance is only 5$/month, the diskspace is going to run out fast.
(DIR) Post #APX6KiP1BwGPMvimu0 by atomicpoet@atomicpoet.org
2022-11-12T16:21:43.294089Z
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@tero_ojala Yes, but this also depends on the software you use. What are you running?