Post APUQrjpuIUpiyrRVT6 by kyle@podcastindex.social
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(DIR) Post #APUOO6vDhWUjz3fkqe by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T08:59:41Z
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Morning Fediverse friends! I've noticed significantly more acceptance of #AiArt here than certain other places. OK, MOST other places. As a piece of technology, things like #StableDiffusion and #Midjourney have opened entirely new creative doors for me. I've started a comic about a time-traveling funeral home director, created a music video based on Pink Floyd lyrics, and some fun imagery inspired by one of my favorite humans, #DaveGrohl. But I want to hear how YOU feel about it.
(DIR) Post #APUOUOxrX2L7gBuN72 by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-11T09:00:46Z
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@killyourfm AI Art makes art accessible to everyone and I'm all about accessibility. :)
(DIR) Post #APUOklJYCgBnd5r0hE by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T09:03:50Z
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@ReverseModule That is certainly a take I can agree with.
(DIR) Post #APUOwCmSQPaU03pbge by mkarliner@mastodon.org.uk
2022-11-11T09:05:58Z
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@killyourfm I've been using it to make some political satire cartoons in the style of James Gilray. As he's been dead 200 years, I don't think he's going to complain.I guess all artists (or nearly all) borrow a huge amount from existing work, AI merely makes that borrowing accessible to all. SD doesn't really make anything new, just mashes up existing stuff. People make new things.
(DIR) Post #APUP5vUDZyI1G6w3TU by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T09:07:34Z
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@mkarliner I appreciate that stance. And I keep telling people that the same thing effectively happens in music. Pretty sure we've already discovered all the notes, all the chords, and MOST of the ways they can all be combined. But human imagination is what makes new music original.
(DIR) Post #APUPC3960zBQkdyYJE by FluffyPuppyKasey@pettingzoo.co
2022-11-11T09:08:44Z
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@killyourfm Personally, I get the appeal. But as someone who has friends who do art, I ALSO get why it's hated. Sure, it makes art accessible to everyone, but in the process, it rips off artists who put real time and effort into their work. Like, ten, twenty, even fifty hours of work, that can easily be replicated with a few words and the press of a button, and about five minutes.
(DIR) Post #APUPMcuvs7daagOVJA by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T09:10:36Z
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@FluffyPuppyKasey Oh hey Kasey! Yea, I can understand this position, and the frustration. As an experiment one day, I fed one of my aunt's mixed-media paintings into Midjourney and then churned out several pieces that exuded the same mood and style, but that could easily be described as unique. It took about 30 minutes.
(DIR) Post #APUPfGXrH83UhsUOps by rauldevezas@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-11T09:13:59Z
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@killyourfm time-traveling funeral home director.A sentence only this community could offer.
(DIR) Post #APUPkzlGaciQOGUcWO by agnew_hawk@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T09:15:02Z
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@killyourfm I regard #AiArt another tool among tools. More tools is good.
(DIR) Post #APUPrl9BK7o95lu8TA by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T09:16:19Z
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@rauldevezas Disclaimer: I HAVE worked in a funeral home. I have NOT time-traveled 😅
(DIR) Post #APUQZZit9wAaP1V0CW by techbits@sudo.cat
2022-11-11T09:24:09Z
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@killyourfm I've enjoyed dabbling both with #DALL-E 2 and #stablediffusion but like with most things, start playing first and then considerations trickle through:For anyone who can't draw or has limited motor control, it provides a way to create something that wouldn't have been possible.What are the copyright ramifications when AI models are trained using the work of artists who have not consented: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/21/tech/artists-ai-images/index.html
(DIR) Post #APUQkRRqGX0rvKhuCm by kneonspace@toot.io
2022-11-11T09:26:08Z
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@killyourfmwell the thing is that they exist now, whether we like it or not. We will have to live with that.But i do think that it is a good idea to start thinking about how we want to regulatie this industry as it matures. what is allowed ethically allowed and what not. how do we compensate artist whose art was used to train the models. how do we give everybody acces not just the rich wo can afford a subscription, because the free tier might disappear. Etc there is a lot to discuss.
(DIR) Post #APUQrjpuIUpiyrRVT6 by kyle@podcastindex.social
2022-11-11T09:27:24Z
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@killyourfm AI art based on lyrics is nightmare fuel. I LOVE it. XD
(DIR) Post #APUQsGTMxJPgCW9TQ8 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T09:27:40Z
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@kneonspace The inexplicable rise in popularity (and reliance) of Greg Rutkowski would be a fascinating little case study. If anyone should be filthy rich from AI-generated art, he's one of them.
(DIR) Post #APUQt4Y2mCrTVUiueG by th3rdsergeevich@mastodon.ml
2022-11-11T09:27:45Z
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@killyourfm From the technical POV, being able to run AI of such caliber on my home PC is already a W in my book. It is good to have a service that you could curate and/or maintain on your own terms, not tied to cloud services or anything similar.As for the ethical side of things, that is a dodgy question. I do think AI Art is just a tool which sometimes could be abused for profit, art theft and other malicious things. I'm worried these precedences could be used to justify the model censoring, which (as it happened with text models) would cause a significant drop in quality.
(DIR) Post #APUQvW6JJ6zdXUuuWW by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T09:28:13Z
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@kyle Enjoy (or not, haha!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYY3d0mnvNU
(DIR) Post #APUREyIkgLWsVK0sLp by FluffyPuppyKasey@pettingzoo.co
2022-11-11T09:31:39Z
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@killyourfm See, that's exactly what I mean! It doesn't take much to get something that exudes a certain art style!Personally I'd love to see training AI get faster and able to run on high performance GPUs in the cloud, and make training as simple as "take the image set and upload it, describe each image (or we can attempt to use AI specifically trained for the task of image recognition and you can go in and tweak what it says as needed), click a button, and wait"
(DIR) Post #APURO2o3IoUt58yoAC by SweetAIBelle@equestria.social
2022-11-11T09:33:19Z
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@killyourfm Mixed, really. I think it's neat to play with and pretty amazing, even if my graphics card can barely run Stable Diffusion. (It works, but I get out of memory errors if I try to push it at all or train it...)OTOH, I do worry about rights and the question of whether I might be inadvertently ripping off other artists.Haven't really come to any solid conclusions about it yet, and I'm still learning how it works.
(DIR) Post #APURQTEq033BdefJjs by kyle@podcastindex.social
2022-11-11T09:33:48Z
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@killyourfm YES! Love it. Great job! Watch AI replace the traveling laser shows, haha. I just got the 30th anniversary vinyl of Dark Side of the Moon (it was NOT cheap, but sounds amazing). 🤟
(DIR) Post #APURjWfFUCuFlZ6aMy by Singodimejo@astral.camp
2022-11-11T09:37:10Z
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@killyourfm I personally believe that AI art is good tool.The problem just lies with the source of the dataset which the AI uses to train itself. We need to have a proper conversation and regulation as to how we source these datasets.If we nail that, AI art can not only be a powerful tool, but also a source of opportunities. But for now, I remain a bit skeptical since I haven't seen proper discussion of this yet.
(DIR) Post #APUSGfCalQ1pnmVDVY by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T09:43:11Z
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@kyle Nice, good for you! I'm currently after the recently released 2018 remaster of Animals on vinyl. (And I just recently picked up Meddle, but that's one that absolutely sounds better digitally)
(DIR) Post #APUSUlKclrlkrmyyMy by kyle@podcastindex.social
2022-11-11T09:45:44Z
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@killyourfm got any recommendations on the best copy to try and grab of The Wall? I only have a basic current pressing but the packaging is so full, unlike the original pressing, which was shiny and glossy (had that as a kid, and of course, scratched it to hell).
(DIR) Post #APUTuIYmSwin7GLPOK by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T10:01:23Z
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@kyle Sadly no, I'm trying to be happy with the pressing I have (from Yugoslavia in the late 80s)
(DIR) Post #APUUB4rWe9fJYZ73zs by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T10:04:33Z
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@Singodimejo The discussions are happening on the fringes, but... I think we need some kind of guiding committee or something. I'm a little leery of regulation, though, only because I don't want to see it abused.
(DIR) Post #APUUZWgypM0iorq328 by mkarliner@mastodon.org.uk
2022-11-11T10:09:00Z
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@killyourfm It occurs to me that many of the arguments against #AiArt and  #StableDiffusion are the same ones used against photography 150+ years ago.- It's not art- It's too easy- It's going to put artists out of business.
(DIR) Post #APUVYr8lPrJhu24vBo by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T10:20:03Z
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@mkarliner INDEED! Albeit with the added, complicated layer of copyright and intellectual property.
(DIR) Post #APUYAVck3uC45DBNJo by indiffident@mastodon.art
2022-11-11T10:48:56Z
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@killyourfm I compare AI to a synthesizer or a sampler.sure they help to make music, but you can suck with them too.they are just tools, good taste and creativity go far beyond the use of AI or a Synthesizer.Art is above the skills or the tools.so in my opinion is a non sense criticize AIart.
(DIR) Post #APUYEpscgy8c44fqHQ by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T10:50:05Z
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@indiffident Haha, I'm reminded of Ross from the show Friends, playing his Casio keyboard....
(DIR) Post #APUaCp5uqFZaxQ3kVU by kyle@podcastindex.social
2022-11-11T11:12:07Z
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@killyourfm gotcha. I caught a typo on my reply. Didn't mean "full". I meant dull...the sleeve looked and felt cheap. 😎
(DIR) Post #APUbm2cadlqb04hRh2 by prinke@layer8.space
2022-11-11T11:28:48Z
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@killyourfm I find AI art intriguing. The fact that anyone can just type out what they want and get an entire art piece in a few minutes is incredible.
(DIR) Post #APUcjW4km27tR7EUyW by moniesoke@techhub.social
2022-11-11T11:40:20Z
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@killyourfm I am haveing fun with #stablediffusion #aiart see my posts. I will make more, so easy and satisfying
(DIR) Post #APUgDYRYpmqnKWuq4u by cpy@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T12:19:26Z
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@killyourfm I like that AI makes art accessible to create for more people. What I'm worried about is similar to Github Copilot - the massive amounts of training data are harvested, creators are not credited, licenses are ignored and you can get large chunks of original input out of them.So I like the idea and the possibilities a lot more, than the current iteration that DALL-E 2 represents.
(DIR) Post #APUmAWTeHv2W5VpWJk by dfsp2@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T13:26:10Z
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@killyourfm I think it's an interesting tool, not unlike CG and photoshop. However, there are a lot of issues with the way it's used that relates to the way people think of art that devalues artists' work. Like, it's one thing to say "give me cartoon version of me" and other "give me this in X artist style".The way AI are trained are less, to use your analogy, give something based on music notes and more to give you something based on completed songs.Too many "legal voids" right now, IMO.
(DIR) Post #APUnsiiWF322kFQMaG by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T13:45:22Z
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@dfsp2 Very thoughtful observation. While I don't explicitly use any artist styles in MY prompts, there's the possibility that some of their finished products may influenced what I'm producing via the AI tools.
(DIR) Post #APUpNyznrqQAADyoGe by dfsp2@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T14:02:13Z
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@killyourfm yeah, I think using a "generalized" prompt that creates something that resembles some artist work is not that different from painting something using influences. The big problem IMO, is when explicitly saying "I want it to look like theirs". If you can freely replicate that person's style, what's now the value in their work?Essentially, I understand artists' reservations with it.
(DIR) Post #APUvd06sbgUTgipm8e by ve4grm@dice.camp
2022-11-11T15:12:07Z
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@killyourfm I think it's an amazing accomplishment and super interesting tool for generating concepts and images for personal use. I think ttrpg GMs in particular could get great use out of it.I also think that any discussion of using it for commercial purposes is dangerous at the moment, especially because of how it is currently trained on the finished works of others. I don't like the idea of earning money/recognition off of the result, without addressing just what it used to get there.
(DIR) Post #APVEUu0nII3XaTq6tc by MatGost@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-11T18:41:24Z
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@mkarliner @killyourfm See also:Drum machines, Samplers, and Computers killing the music industry.
(DIR) Post #APVEUuSRdUAqyEmBzk by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T18:43:32Z
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@MatGost @mkarliner Yes, good call. At one point major recording studios and other organizations tried to outright ban the synthesizer.
(DIR) Post #APVGeK7Xn6X74qcIrI by Sakti@ravenation.club
2022-11-11T19:07:41Z
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@killyourfm @MatGost @mkarliner I definitely get this argument, but I would feel quite threatened as a musician if AI could write songs that were as compelling as the images it's producing. And it'll probably be doing that soon.
(DIR) Post #APVHLslcqst4z28RBg by suedonimus@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T19:15:34Z
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@killyourfm As you said, it opens up so many possibilities. A lot of people are scared of their jobs / hobbies being replaced by AI, but we can use AI as a tool in the creative process.People who are unhappy about the progress of #AIArt for example, are going to have to deal with it because it's not going anywhere!
(DIR) Post #APVK2GRRQAKQTm1ywi by killyourfm@layer8.space
2022-11-11T19:45:40Z
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@Sakti @MatGost @mkarliner I am a musician, and I look forward to it -- but as a tool, not an end-to-end songwriting process. Still, the threat is real.