Post APTd1d0BZAPcyLly2y by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
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(DIR) Post #APTT2dvebeqUaxUxQ8 by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T18:36:30Z
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IMPORTANT POLL: I've received a few messages from long-time Fediverse accounts asking me to end the #fedified project.These individuals are increasingly aggressive in their tone and tenor— bordering on bird site mansplaining trolls, tbh.This project is a lot of work, and it seems to me that these individuals speak for a tiny fraction of persons on the Fediverse, but let's find out:Should I keep updating the https://fedified.com list?
(DIR) Post #APTT2eWWOaKuRIkOsy by getimiskon@udongein.xyz
2022-11-10T22:17:10.568768Z
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@DataDrivenMD it's not a bad idea by itself. It's good to know if somebody you know from another social media has moved to the Fediverse.I think the problem is that having established "authorities" from Twitter to the Fediverse feels unnatural to the users here. For a long time, we didn't have any people who are considered important. A user on an instance was just a user on an instance. Nothing more, nothing less. But the influx of the new people from Twitter coming here with their own behavior and opinions on how social media should work has been overwhelming to lots of older users. It's our version of eternal September, if I can call it like that.
(DIR) Post #APTVarlZrhiRGWEQgS by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T22:45:13Z
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@getimiskon I remember eternal September. And much like back then, early adopters have a choice to make. If they don't want an influx of Twitter expats, then they should be upfront about it. But cheering their arrival and then engaging in harassment because some unwritten rules were not followed is counterproductive.
(DIR) Post #APTVnFXHJibsSZRr1M by getimiskon@udongein.xyz
2022-11-10T22:48:02.349690Z
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@DataDrivenMD well, the Fediverse is generally diverse. There are people who like the fact that new users came, others who don't like the whole situation and of course everything in between.
(DIR) Post #APTXFcHORw6l3q6meW by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T23:02:43Z
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@getimiskon Agreed. It just so happens that those 15% that strongly dislike the newcomers are colluding about how to make life difficult for newcomers, including de-federating instances that don't even exist.
(DIR) Post #APTd1c4P20Bw58joyu by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T18:40:44Z
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@DataDrivenMD @foufoutos Is there any chance we can defederate this server if it gets created?
(DIR) Post #APTd1cZFBKrTcnAS3M by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T18:44:40Z
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@ReverseModule @foufoutos Not sure that I understand the question. Can you please reframe?
(DIR) Post #APTd1d0BZAPcyLly2y by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T18:46:47Z
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@DataDrivenMD @foufoutos Oh sorry, I tagged my server admin. Nothing to do with you. I personally voted No cause I really think the only thing verified accounts offer is promotion and forming of public opinion but I'm sure a solution will be found fo those not wanting to participate/see toots from it. :)
(DIR) Post #APTd1dUJl8W0Tns20u by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T18:53:52Z
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@ReverseModule @foufoutos That's an incomplete understanding of the dynamics at play. It it's increasingly clear that server admins are surreptitiously going out of their way to make verification difficult. That's a much, much bigger problem than anything I'm doing b/c the actions are being taken in private, without making users aware. Users should be made aware that there are some servers who welcome impersonators and imposter accounts.
(DIR) Post #APTd1dvy6KdJrYo772 by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T18:57:34Z
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@DataDrivenMD @foufoutos I think I have misunderstood what you're trying to do tbh. Is this just a list that will be publicly available so that "important" people can be found easily or is this a server of Twitter verified people?
(DIR) Post #APTd1eK4ehup4K5Mga by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T19:11:17Z
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@ReverseModule @foufoutos It's literally just a list of Twitter verified people that have migrated to Mastodon, and want their followers to find them easily. Their brands are valuable, and imposters could easily wreak havoc via imposter accounts.If it's easier for me to set up a Mastodon server, then I can do that instead. But that feels even *less* aligned with fediverse principles.
(DIR) Post #APTd1ejF9834KNrSuu by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T19:19:18Z
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@DataDrivenMD @foufoutos I mean a server with millions of users or followers on it would be kind of impossible to maintain for you as well I think.In any case I don't agree with promotion of specific people which is what this essentially is. People need to get off the Twitter mindset of things being advertised to them. Creators making their own server is the best solution on many levels. I just think previously verified people are kind of spoiled coming from other platforms. No offense meant.
(DIR) Post #APTd1fDNL69RppxWsq by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T20:26:04Z
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@ReverseModule @foufoutos I'm catching up to these comments, I responded to this already, but repeating here: the Mastodon admins and project leads can't have it both ways. They can't celebrate exponential growth made possible by notable accounts while shadowbanning efforts to maintain brand integrity (via backroom de-federation agreements and other means)cc @Gargron
(DIR) Post #APTd1fctoCZH6ztufQ by josh@thebene.fit
2022-11-10T21:59:58Z
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@Gargron @ReverseModule @DataDrivenMD @foufoutos I think this response is a bit disingenuous, though. Anyone can verify themselves in the Fediverse. Considering the hoops through which one has to jump in order to get Twitter Verified, verifying oneself on Mastodon is trivial. A single authority on “verification” is unnecessary and redundant.
(DIR) Post #APTd1g3UDLpqRSL96m by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T22:01:20Z
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@josh @Gargron @ReverseModule @foufoutos Trivial for whom? I urge you to *really* think about that. No need to respond, just urge you to really think about it.
(DIR) Post #APTd1gTMf8XFjiRoRc by josh@thebene.fit
2022-11-10T22:02:09Z
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@foufoutos @DataDrivenMD @Gargron @ReverseModule Compare it to the process of Twitter verification. Gathering clips of yourself in the media and supplying ID documentation? Versus copying a line of code and pasting into a WordPress post? I mean.
(DIR) Post #APTd1gx8sQM3E4NarI by josh@thebene.fit
2022-11-10T22:05:06Z
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@foufoutos @Gargron @DataDrivenMD @ReverseModule I’m thinking of someone like Stephen King, who might legitimately not know how to do this — but he would not be the one gathering clips of himself in the media, either, you know? His rep would take care of it.
(DIR) Post #APTd1hKBUkmoNX9zm4 by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T22:06:19Z
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@josh @foufoutos @Gargron @DataDrivenMD If someone wants to make their own instance and they're a celebrity they can definitely do it. The main point is for them to understand that it's worth the investment.That's what I'm trying to explain all this time.
(DIR) Post #APTd1hjhxrCdeh6NYe by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T22:40:17Z
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@ReverseModule @josh @foufoutos @Gargron On this point we agree. Where we diverge is the implicit assumption that everyone has the means to set up their own instance. Notable ≠ celebrity ≠ wealthy ≠ tech-savvyI personally know dozens of grassroots activists that are verified on the bird app that want to go elsewhere, but won't come here because they're afraid imposter accounts would tarnish their digital reputation. It's a valid concern IMHO. The only asset they have is their reputation.
(DIR) Post #APTd1i8AUulisYXugS by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T22:44:41Z
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@DataDrivenMD @josh @foufoutos @Gargron Definitely a valid concern.They will have to pay for the costs on another instance then and quite possibly also offer assistance in moderation.If they can't offer anything and expect to have the same impact here they're, unfortunately, gonna be disappointed. and quite possibly also hurt the platform itself.Your list could help but I really don't think it's the optimal solution. People have to realize that this is a DIY site pretty much.
(DIR) Post #APTd1iXgy1BY9iUIT2 by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T22:59:33Z
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@ReverseModule @josh @foufoutos @Gargron There's no logical consistency here: "Your list could help" ... "People have to realize that this is a DIY site pretty much."We're just going around in circles now.I don't know how or why you were talking about me/my list in a DM w/ server admins. All I ask is that admins openly state if they do not welcome Twitter expats on their instances instead of colluding about preemptively de-federating instances that don't even exist. Follow your own rules
(DIR) Post #APTd1j8Ykwfy03jjvs by ReverseModule@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T23:04:01Z
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@DataDrivenMD @josh @foufoutos @Gargron I didn't DM anyone actually.I'm just trying to explain that there is no solution if the interested parties that are on Twitter right now can't comprehend that this *will* fall apart for them if they don't invest in it.And tbh I really don't care about them, I mostly care about the damage that they will do to this platform.Personally, if some brand is offending I will definitely ask for defederation of them on the server I'm on.I'm just being sensible
(DIR) Post #APTeHCZDiarPZc9LoO by thisismissem@hachyderm.io
2022-11-10T21:52:49Z
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@DataDrivenMD i think perhaps the best thing you can do is encourage these people to add a link with rel="me" pointing to their mastodon profile from their official website, and then to link that on their profile.
(DIR) Post #APU0cSdlLqS6UqohrE by foufoutos@kafeneio.social
2022-11-10T20:37:00Z
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@DataDrivenMD I am struggling to understand what you really want to be doneDo you want to build up a list? Do it, it's up to youDo you ask the developers to transform the fediverse to a copy of twitter? It's not up to youJust please don't accuse people with out evidences @ReverseModule @Gargron
(DIR) Post #APU0cT8FWUq41P53NQ by DataDrivenMD@mstdn.social
2022-11-10T20:42:31Z
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@foufoutos @ReverseModule @Gargron All I did was set up a list to facilitate link-verification. Seems like some server admins are blocking link verification. I've received harassing messages accusing me of being a "scammer" and demanding that I stop updating the list. Some server admins are having private conversations about de-federating servers- these conversations have spilled into public view by mistake. The evidence is there.
(DIR) Post #APU0cTerZEvVeYL6DA by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-10T20:47:12Z
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@DataDrivenMD @foufoutos @ReverseModule I don't think there's anything wrong with the list, or verification. The fediverse is a big, diverse place. A lot of people find what you're doing useful, some don't. Don't let it command what you do.
(DIR) Post #APU4sHZ2hQigavPOvA by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-11T05:21:02.158817Z
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@DataDrivenMD centralized verification is the wrong tactic, as is collecting datasets containing people's contact links to create a database.Fediverse accounts are already capable of verifying to official personal websites through their bios. Those are ideal tethers for the vast majority of people on the fediverse.