Post APRbqLCCouNels3mgi by chartier@toot.cafe
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(DIR) Post #APRbqLCCouNels3mgi by chartier@toot.cafe
2022-11-09T18:15:23Z
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Whoa whoa whoa... Whoa.You mean to tell me that #Mastodon has *zero* algorithms deciding what I should read, and that the vast majority of instances banish Nazis into their own shadowrealm instead of tolerating them in the name of EnGaGeMenT?Hah! Next you'll tell me there are no advertisers wielding influence over feature design so they get more marketing eyeballs!Wait, what??!
(DIR) Post #APTINEGK898xZpmQIi by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2022-11-10T20:17:48.960672Z
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@chartier Now do Mastodon Censorship
(DIR) Post #APYaG7Pdy7sJGshLSS by zaskoda@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T19:10:00Z
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@chartier But if they don't build a model to help fund the expense of running servers, this will all got the way of IRC, Email, Newsgroups etc. Users must be the customer in order to prevent becoming the product.
(DIR) Post #APYaG85pRHcRNiR2DA by gerwitz@chaos.social
2022-11-10T11:30:35Z
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@zaskoda @chartier yeah, it’s really a shame how no one uses email anymore 😉
(DIR) Post #APYaG8dVQ4Yd4ABvhg by zaskoda@mastodon.social
2022-11-10T16:28:56Z
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@gerwitz @chartier okay, let's gets into that. Email is federated. Yet, most people use one of a few big providers who exploit user data to target ads. If you're not paying for the product, you will become the product. Running your own email server is prohibitively challenging, in part because of spam. And spam happens because sending email is free. Charge one tenth of a penny for an email and it would drastically reduce spam. But you want it all to be free.
(DIR) Post #APYaG99lU8MUgDHgzA by chartier@toot.cafe
2022-11-10T16:31:19Z
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@zaskoda @gerwitz Gotta disagree on the 'running your own server' point.Running your own *physical* server, in your own garage? Sure, maybe. But I think it's easy to say most people wouldn't want to do that anyway. They'd go to a service provider like any of the zillions of web hosts and even dedicated email services we have, and those are all dirt cheap. No ads, pro-privacy, etc.(Contd)
(DIR) Post #APYaG9cpk3c88MsuIK by zaskoda@mastodon.social
2022-11-10T16:38:19Z
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@chartier @gerwitz I feel like you've never actually attempted to run your own mail server. Do it, show me. Move your email to a server you maintain yourself. If it's so easy breezy, it should be no big deal for you, yeah? We can talk later about everything that's going to go terribly wrong.
(DIR) Post #APYaG9yoQLC9EXASYK by chartier@toot.cafe
2022-11-10T16:33:08Z
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@zaskoda @gerwitz Do most people want fedi/masto to be free? I think that's a tough call. The network is designed to prefer lots of small instances (over 1,100 now), which are relatively cheap to run.Many of them start up Patreons to cover the costs. If they get large enough, it grows to cover mods. It seems to be working quite well so far. I don't see any imminent threat of advertising or other insidious funding mechanisms.
(DIR) Post #APYaGADhWz6Xyi8LlA by chartier@toot.cafe
2022-11-10T16:42:47Z
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@zaskoda @gerwitz Maybe we're talking different levels of running your own server, of which there are many?I run a couple addresses through my web host. But there are also many dedicated services like Fastmail, where it's basically 'managed' for you and they fight spam quite well.Like, there's a broad spectrum when it comes to DIY email, and the ecosystem for Masto and Fedi is growing the same way. Has for years.
(DIR) Post #APYaGB70DNLAkE0VxQ by chartier@toot.cafe
2022-11-10T16:45:33Z
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@zaskoda @gerwitz And, again, while the option is there, I don't think it's controversial to claim that the majority of people won't want to go that route. They'll want something managed, like Fastmail, and plenty of options are springing up.Digital Ocean. Masto.host, Fedi.Monster, NextCloud, etc. I've heard some traditional web hosts are spinning up one-click options like WordPress and many other apps.
(DIR) Post #APYaGBEnkNZx8Pek76 by zaskoda@mastodon.social
2022-11-10T16:40:49Z
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@chartier @gerwitz here's a slightly better overview of the challenge than I would be able to write up myself: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/why-you-may-not-want-to-run-your-own-mail-server
(DIR) Post #APYaGBcuIkrSLAvzge by codefolio@ruby.social
2022-11-13T09:17:27Z
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@chartier @zaskoda @gerwitz In a case where you might ever have to deal with, say, the internals of Postgres, the vast, vast majority of people do not want to touch it. Ever. If that's the cost of using this social network, nearly everybody just won't.The admins I see here do, in fact, have to touch Postgres. It's one reason there aren't more of them, even as the giant Twitter influx happens.
(DIR) Post #APYaGDQvaGT1wbLSIC by codefolio@ruby.social
2022-11-13T09:19:41Z
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@chartier @zaskoda @gerwitz I'm not saying "Postgres is bad." It's by far the best DB we have. But touching *any* database is too much admin work, and leaves us vulnerable to centralised solutions (unless we have some other way around that.)Same problem as running an email server, which requires a similar level of ongoing drudgery plus specialised expertise. It's hard to get lots of people doing that for you, at scale."We'll just require a lot more good-quality free DevOps" is hard to scale.