Post APNb1ZDy7rzosWpmVM by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #APNCOpKkVZCGtNfb4i by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-07T20:35:30Z
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tech folks please resist the urge to create centrally automated blocklistsi know it is tempting to centralize the decentralized but that is extremely not what we are about in the fediverseit's important that the sharing of information between instances happens between human admins who can make judgment calls about how authentic and relevant information is.
(DIR) Post #APNG3BZExFdp38iLFA by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2022-11-07T22:23:28.939022Z
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If the Fedi devs implement automated blocklist management, I'm buying a popcorn maker.
(DIR) Post #APNaup8WZBGyCb4WzA by UberKitten@kolektiva.social
2022-11-07T21:58:05Z
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@scanlime my big concern with this is scaling for spamlike what if 100 people each spin up 1 new domain every day to spam replies/favs/follows?it seems like it would easily get difficult to manage for every instance admin
(DIR) Post #APNaupgYWeUju8zi1w by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-07T22:00:17Z
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@UberKitten agreed! I'll dig up a link if you care but I even opened an issue to track new tools like this for peertube a while back. I don't want fully automated modding at all but I do want powerful tools for admins to socially share information and take quick actions
(DIR) Post #APNavcVF1VYjJF4rhI by max@smeap.com
2022-11-07T23:08:46Z
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@scanlime @tamitha Block suggestions could still federate like emojo though. I shouldn’t need to search a hashtag regularly, it could just be a dedicated admin tab, like emojo, that I can review. Especially consolidated report counts in a single placeAs a tiny instance admin, it shouldn’t be so tough to at least subscribe to a “neighborhood watch” and get one-click access to borrow a cup of blocks from a neighbor I trustYou know, like emojo
(DIR) Post #APNawUalvA4L4252oa by tamitha@indiepocalypse.social
2022-11-07T23:10:04Z
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@max @scanlime I think that's what they're working on regarding the block API.
(DIR) Post #APNawVKr9ovrMxdqe8 by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-07T23:14:32Z
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@tamitha @max 💯, social tools for human admins are great, I just wanna warn against big lists
(DIR) Post #APNazpjnl5HtVytg80 by dannytheythem@tech.lgbt
2022-11-07T23:50:34Z
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@scanlime already working on a fully centralized, and automated ban list for SPAM, I already have the CDN ready just working on a script to automate changing the server config, I'm planning on making it work with most ActivityPub compatible software. I might just use an ufw config script.
(DIR) Post #APNazqMRRQCDRoyXM8 by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-07T23:57:56Z
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@dannytheythem why/what are you centralizing
(DIR) Post #APNazr7EdRctmwruIC by dannytheythem@tech.lgbt
2022-11-07T23:59:41Z
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@scanlime a list of people who SPAM instances with automated junk.
(DIR) Post #APNazrn47v5RsgRJUe by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-08T00:09:11Z
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@dannytheythem who decides what counts as spam and how/why is this centralized
(DIR) Post #APNazscp1UUGTCeeAK by dannytheythem@tech.lgbt
2022-11-08T01:04:28Z
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@scanlime the Fedmins group. Centralization of a ban repository is a good idea,
(DIR) Post #APNaztCGtgqMF9ExQ8 by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-08T01:29:00Z
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@dannytheythem i get the impression you're naive and arguing in bad faith so I'm going to let you be
(DIR) Post #APNb0QiKHX5mC7UWSu by drwho@hackers.town
2022-11-07T22:17:47Z
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@scanlime At what point will organics not be able to keep up?
(DIR) Post #APNb0REwKHBDpGkZIe by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-08T00:24:54Z
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@drwho if your server is too big to moderate it's probably too big. we def need tools that give human moderators bigger levers sometimes, but the common tech impulse to automate as much as possible is harmful.
(DIR) Post #APNb0RbcxvKOxdMgfA by Gaelan@queer.party
2022-11-08T00:43:17Z
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@drwho @scanlime absolutely agree with the broader point, but isn’t the need for blocklist automation a function of fediverse size, not instance size? a ten-person instance still needs to block every bad instance on the fediverse, especially if one of those ten people is a harassment target
(DIR) Post #APNb0S1VPi1oFtTM00 by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-08T01:32:19Z
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@Gaelan @drwho you don't need to block every bad actor on the internet, only the ones you interact with or anticipate an attack from
(DIR) Post #APNb1ZDy7rzosWpmVM by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
2022-11-08T02:02:42Z
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@scanlime it'd be less obviously dumb & shit if they weren't chiefly top-down authoritarian run.i have yet to see one that accounts for why a person or fedi was banned. i have yet to see a block system that has any stakeholders in the decision, any process or option for overturning.the state of defense is pitifully exploitable by aggressors. it leaves nothing available for anti-exploitation.thanks for the shout out against what keeps seeming to me like senseless low-fi authoritarian-istic knee-jerk-ism.
(DIR) Post #APNb2mX28OoGRNKZ8K by scanlime@misc.name
2022-11-08T02:07:39Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 the top-down nature and the centralization do seem to go hand in hand. cheers!
(DIR) Post #APNgvlghTRIXWKtJOS by sullybiker@sully.site
2022-11-08T03:24:40Z
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@scanlime Your crystal ball is strong because I think this is the next big thing here.
(DIR) Post #APNgz6gVrd8zVhOaLA by sullybiker@sully.site
2022-11-08T03:25:16Z
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@scanlime People need to give the place more time.
(DIR) Post #APNy1CcETxbNhkyjIG by grantonthenet@social.linux.pizza
2022-11-08T01:55:51Z
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@cjd This one works well: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003WK4APQ/
(DIR) Post #APPGCElynKp1uhuPvU by sarvo@novoa.nagoya
2022-11-08T21:34:30.642Z
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@scanlime@misc.name imagine thinking mastosont admins can be reasonable
(DIR) Post #APPHYNkGDUIU48ED32 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-11-08T21:25:01.102450Z
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@sullybiker @scanlime You're at least 5 years late on this one. When mastodon became big, someone made a block list of instances for others to follow and it created a lot of in-fighting and became divisive. The fediverse hasn't been the same since. And no, we weren't able to appeal the decision. Ever since, blocklists or recommendations for defederating instances has been a thing. This is just a repeating pattern, probably resulting from culture shock.
(DIR) Post #APPHiH3xupIEElA6Mq by sullybiker@sully.site
2022-11-08T21:51:31Z
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@sim @scanlime I remember. I also remember the bigger problem being no small amount of bullying by some admins who were trying to coerce other instances to adopt their pet blocks. And that was around the time Eugen fueled the notion that there was Mastodon in God's shine, and Pleroma which was basically Nazi Germany.
(DIR) Post #APPK1HCLpw1U4DGzLc by sim@shitposter.club
2022-11-08T21:55:29.705003Z
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@sullybiker @scanlime Yeah, I do recall there being some bullying by the admins coercing others, they just walled themselves off even more after announcing those. I didn't see most of it from this side of the divide. In the earlier days, it was very confusing to tell who had instance blocked who. Yes, mastodon was twitter without nazis or something.
(DIR) Post #APPKG9K1P1zjyzx8JE by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-08T22:20:04.723284Z
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@sullybiker @sim @scanlime
(DIR) Post #APPKYr3TXi0kpb8IZE by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-11-08T22:23:26.932063Z
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@sullybiker @scanlime @sim the impact of synthesis regarding intelligence and computing?!💌
(DIR) Post #APPKs49h3nekxmCa6y by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2022-11-08T22:20:18.340922Z
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having spent a decent amount of time hanging out on both the commie/socialist/lgbtq+wtf++, and the conservative/neonazi sides of fedi, I don't find there to be a lot of middle ground. somewhere in the middle you have some tech people who generally try to avoid political flame wars, but apart from that it's been kinda brutal in either direction in my experience. but at least the shitposters have a sense of humor and tend to not be as gullible as the typical ideologically indoctrinated masses, even if they do tend to get defacto lumped into the "neonazi" category by the diaper wearing cope/seeth sjw types. $0.02 ymmv
(DIR) Post #APPLWjVUje1snQn5ay by sullybiker@sully.site
2022-11-08T22:34:15Z
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@toiletpaper @scanlime @sim SPC was one of my earliest Fedi experiences and if I followed the doctrine I'd never have known the silliness. The other camp can be *a lot*.
(DIR) Post #APPO2pU2FZMOVUXZxo by sim@shitposter.club
2022-11-08T23:00:23.131812Z
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@sullybiker @toiletpaper @scanlime To be honest, I'm surprised by just how mellow SPC is these days. Listening to some blocklists or people, you wouldn't think that SPC was that chill.