Post APMmcOD1YWkW0qrZaa by stevefoerster@mastodon.oeru.org
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(DIR) Post #APMm7hCAuoLBv8pWYy by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T16:48:02.498525Z
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It kind of makes me feel small to turn around and see famous people come to the network and suddenly have thousands of followers over the course of days.I know it doesn't ultimately matter, but it's weird to be in a space for almost half of your life, and suddenly see former Blue Checkmarks roll in and suddenly command a substantial following out of nowhere.Maybe I'm being insecure and petty, I dunno. It's just kind of a mindfuck.
(DIR) Post #APMmb1mBTXMu9Hex5k by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T16:53:20.995164Z
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I still think this migration is ultimately a good thing, and I think lots of people deserve the benefits of what this thing we're building has to offer.I just don't want this place to lose its charm by being turned into the thing people are running away from.
(DIR) Post #APMmcOD1YWkW0qrZaa by stevefoerster@mastodon.oeru.org
2022-11-07T16:49:38Z
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@sean I hear you. I know it's a good thing, but still, it would be cool if people like us got a special OG badge or something.
(DIR) Post #APMmd9YbW6wCrOJyFc by pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se
2022-11-07T16:49:50Z
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@sean I absolutely get it. It's weird, and not entirely positive.It remains to be seen how it shakes out, though. I'm not looking forward to when the first fan/antifan wars start to break out, especially with the object of fandom/antifandom there to fan (uh, pun not intended) the flames.
(DIR) Post #APMmeJPCO2CBh4TTaS by dazego@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-07T16:52:47Z
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@sean I think there will be a pretty large meltdown at some point in the future where the #Twitter "refugees" realize they can't pull their nonsense here, and step by step instances will defederate from the larger ones to build smaller bubbles where the #checkmark people are banned.
(DIR) Post #APMmfvor3C8V7bFNSa by artsyhonker@sonomu.club
2022-11-07T16:52:39Z
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@pettter @sean Also, often these are people who had ten or twenty times that number of followers elsewhere. But engagement here, away from the algorithms, works a bit differently, and they will have to change the way they interact accordingly.It's going to be a bit weird here for a few weeks, I think.
(DIR) Post #APMmoH8DhBopXNHdvE by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T16:55:46.868693Z
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@artsyhonker @pettter Yeah, I've thought about this, too. It's funny because, to them, shifting from millions of followers to just a couple thousand might feel like a drop in the bucket.
(DIR) Post #APMmrafdVTM90NUiy8 by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-11-07T16:56:28.469216Z
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I'm definitely worried about the same. A lot of these blue checks are used to being in charge. I don't want them to come in and start making demands -- it's a decentralized system, we don't owe them anything.They're the ones who created the authoritarian system they're fleeing because someone they don't like is in charge. If they want authoritarianism with someone they like in charge, they shouldn't bother leaving big tech.
(DIR) Post #APMn0o8mnIx3O8WZBA by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T16:58:01.416630Z
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@pettter Eh, went actually been through a fair share of community spats at this point. What's funny is that I think most of the Mastodon vs Pleroma flamewars have largely died down, as the most toxic players all got defederated into their own bubbles.
(DIR) Post #APMn57uXEOnDrXuyAq by kai@ajin.la
2022-11-07T16:54:39Z
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@sean I think it's normal to feel that way. It's human nature.That said, I'm happy to see the celebrities here, because then more "normal people" will come. Even they don't realize what a revolution the federation is for privacy and control over your data. Surveillance capitalism has become normalized to the point where no one gives it a second thought.
(DIR) Post #APMnGVjczhYqwAFEBs by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T17:00:52.268853Z
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@kai Yeah, I totally agree. I feel like the network might have the potential to outlast Twitter, especially with the way that things are going.I know not everybody takes this stance, but I'd really love to see the fediverse kill all of the leading social platforms.
(DIR) Post #APMnHenemByFLDfwpM by john@sauropods.win
2022-11-07T16:55:00Z
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@sean I think that's a good thing, its about the people and their work, not the particular network.
(DIR) Post #APMnJDSlNxtT8Ve8EC by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2022-11-07T16:53:07Z
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You're definitely being insecure, but this is nothing new to me. You always have expressed a longing for some sort of fame through your work, hobbies or art. I don't think you 're being petty though, the discrepancy between your long-standing longing and your current situation is enough to explain the bitterness.
(DIR) Post #APMnMCc30GFBMsPesq by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T17:01:55.761611Z
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@hypolite Yeah, that's fair. Thanks for the reality check. 🙂
(DIR) Post #APMnNgMHtWInudkN5k by voltur@hackers.town
2022-11-07T16:53:07Z
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@sean yeah I experience that feeling too. I'm just happy to have so many new voices in the cacophony of our timeline firehose.
(DIR) Post #APMnbAJhoyyQaiy78K by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T17:04:34.009715Z
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@sj_zero I mean, paradoxically, a decentralized system has room for everybody. I'm curious about how network reach would even work here, if enough people were spread out between servers.
(DIR) Post #APMncCYSzAoBp2Mo1g by TerryHancock@mastodon.art
2022-11-07T16:57:42Z
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@sean I suspect that they are largely being followed by an audience that has come over with them.I follow some brand accounts and a few pundity types whose posts I like, so there are a lot of people I don't really expect will follow me back.On the other hand, the mutuals are where the fun is.
(DIR) Post #APMnh39NNaaU6NwWCu by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2022-11-07T17:05:42.613567Z
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@TerryHancock The mutuals are where the fun is.Agreed, I couldn’t have said it better.
(DIR) Post #APMnrfZLOUKc9T9Y2K by dazego@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-07T16:54:48Z
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@artsyhonker @pettter @sean Don't be so sure about it only being a few weeks:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
(DIR) Post #APMnrg7NLxYNr14j56 by artsyhonker@sonomu.club
2022-11-07T17:01:00Z
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@dazego @pettter @sean So, what I see happening if the current rate of influx keeps up is simply that admins and servers can't keep up, and either close registration to new members, or get de-federated from the rest for harbouring nazis etc. And that in turn will make people who are heavily invested in their existing networks not want to be here, because it isn't "everybody".
(DIR) Post #APMnrga5dCWRI4Veq0 by dazego@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-07T17:04:05Z
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@artsyhonker @pettter @sean That is one plausible way it might play out, yeah.Another would be that commercial/corporate/"professional"/"beginner friendly" instances emerge out of a misguided idea of making Mastodon mainstream-compatible and marketable, with unlimited federation, industry grade hosting, monetization and a professional moderation team, and those fostering the same culture #Twitter did, and then some.And Mastodon becoming synonymous with those for the public eye.
(DIR) Post #APMnrh1NziMAejHSNs by artsyhonker@sonomu.club
2022-11-07T17:06:32Z
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@dazego @pettter @sean ...at which point the rest of us defederate from those and continue having a quiet life. *shrug*
(DIR) Post #APMnrny6AKt0CYnQjQ by artsyhonker@sonomu.club
2022-11-07T17:03:58Z
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@dazego @pettter @sean I'm already doing things like turning off boosts a lot of the time just to quiet things down. But boosts also drive discoverability etc, so if enough people turn them off, things slow down again.
(DIR) Post #APMnv1fZgIuBZ1fScq by kai@ajin.la
2022-11-07T17:07:44Z
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@sean Sure, it would be an objectively better world. And don't forget that Mastodon didn't start on ActivityPub. These platforms can just keep riding the wave as the protocols evolve.
(DIR) Post #APMp11Yx5igIvMzhdA by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-11-07T17:20:35.384178Z
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The reason I'm worried is that things are only so decentralized. We rely on common services such as DNS or ISPs, and if the authoritarian press decides to they can break our toys shockingly easily. We've seen it.If everyone follows the current laws of physics and doesn't do anything like try to repeal the law of gravity though, I agree -- The federated nature of everything ought to mean the people who don't like each other can be part of the same system without having to interact at all which is pretty cool.
(DIR) Post #APMp5HBgwMwIXg8r1k by waltercool@pl.slash.cl
2022-11-07T17:21:12.882531Z
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We can overcome DNS, not ISP.
(DIR) Post #APMpFsk8AHrhukJ8QC by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-11-07T17:23:16.449845Z
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The one thing they don't realize is that those trusted services are trusted because they've been dependable. Once they cannot be relied upon, new systems will be put into place.At the extreme end, it might even be possible to create something ISPs can't block, though it won't be so easy anymore.
(DIR) Post #APMr7vpuyodb6FLqrI by Ninmi@raru.re
2022-11-07T17:39:12Z
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@sean It is bizarre considering I've been content for years with fedi just being a shitposter club where people benis post and drink cofe. Then there's a huge influx of people with real names and pictures posting cats and sports.I don't think we'll have to worry about the old charm going away though. The old culture's gonna coexist in its corners just fine while the greater public starts adopting fedi in their own circles.
(DIR) Post #APMrT2qu5eD8wMscd6 by stevestreza@indieweb.social
2022-11-07T17:47:22Z
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@sean We are all poisoned by insecurity from years of chasing engagement on the silos. It's ok.Creators who relied on Hellsite are *panicking* right now trying to figure out how to port their audience to a different platform. Historically, fedi has not had a great case for this. If people are finding success in it this time, then it will be nothing but a rising tide that lifts everyone.
(DIR) Post #APN5YDKTxkXEEz4eh6 by lps@masto.1146.nohost.me
2022-11-07T20:23:05Z
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@sean @sj_zero I think there may be a divide on the fediverse, with a crowd behaving in a similar way as they'd been doing and another population doing the tight knit anti-corporate thing ... why not? I'm just so excited to see many "followers" being exposed to a world where they are not the product ... it might open some eyes:)They might discover that this is simply a much cooler party;)
(DIR) Post #APN5YDq24Rlvoppqs4 by zleap@qoto.org
2022-11-07T20:25:48Z
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@lps @sean @sj_zero Not to mention the much bigger world out there of open source and free software.
(DIR) Post #APN5dLLtYscCZSBH2u by lps@masto.1146.nohost.me
2022-11-07T20:26:45Z
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@zleap @sean @sj_zero exactly, first #mastodon, then the world!!!!!!!! ha ha
(DIR) Post #APN5ndsZX7qGvYNNYW by zleap@qoto.org
2022-11-07T20:28:37Z
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@lps @sean @sj_zero Yeah, and as I sugested to @gretathunberg maybe we need have the confidence that we don't actually need corporates any more, with their profits before everything attitude.
(DIR) Post #APN6JlsnJNdD15ngSe by lps@masto.1146.nohost.me
2022-11-07T20:34:24Z
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@zleap @sean @sj_zero @gretathunberg I totally agree, and would go so far as to say that battling to have our voices heard by the corps is a distraction and a waste of time. What we should be doing is building the solutions we need ourselves. Let's face it, they're not interested
(DIR) Post #APN6noIiswjvCiFgO0 by zleap@qoto.org
2022-11-07T20:39:52Z
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@lps @sean @sj_zero @gretathunberg Or simply make token gestures to convince us to care.
(DIR) Post #APN71fp1CtyYxcy6U4 by zleap@qoto.org
2022-11-07T20:42:23Z
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@sean Same here, i think we have built a culture here, we have had a good few years to do that.
(DIR) Post #APNZxlrb5lQkxvzopM by DamnCatOnMyDesk@mstdn.social
2022-11-08T01:50:16Z
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@BarrenPlanet @sean There's also tools to automate the migration of follows, so a lot of people are finding each other much faster.
(DIR) Post #APNlrCkLwRFnlVF7hY by ijatz_La_Hojita@mastodon.social
2022-11-07T18:44:16Z
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@sean As far as I see, the threat you mention ("[Mastodon] being turned into the thing people are running away from") would materialize only if Big Tech - the "GAMMA" actors - begin setting up Fediverse instances, and imposing their "authorized truths" the way they've done on 90% of today's World Wide Web.
(DIR) Post #APNlsXJcx6C1qeNS4G by TrechNex@masto.ai
2022-11-07T16:53:33Z
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@sean it's fair, because you know that an Average Joe is going to connect meaningfully, but celebrities are always going to be parasocial at best.Also there's still the risk that someone with sufficient klout will try to throw their weight around as well. It will be interesting to see how the fediverse copes with that particular growing pain.